How Long Do You Think Slavery Would've Lasted Had the Civil War Gone the Other Way

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janklow;8177191 said:
Jabu_Rule;8174805 said:
Didn't they technically win against us in the war of 1812? They were beating back, but our goal was to take over Canada, so we lost that one. I guess those were Canadians, but they were under direct British rule.
our goal wasn't really to take over Canada; it was more a series of smaller issues that can basically be summed up as "show us some damn respect, Britain!" and it was basically a draw that returned everything to a pre-war state.

i wouldn't claim the US won the war. but the British didn't either.

Well, i guess the US lost that facet of the war, because Canada sure celebrates it as a victory.
 
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Stiff;8153100 said:
Ajackson17;8153074 said:
Who knows there was black folks enslaved in Mississippi until the 1970s. I mean think about our parents generation.

But the Geechee were fighting and getting other enslaved to fight back so who knows.

Huh
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20061664,00.html @stiff I totally forgotten about this.

Damn. I knew about share cropping, but this is the first time i heard about shit like this. And technically, the way they did it then is still practiced today. We always said slavery never died because they have our men in prisons working for pennies. But at one point, prisons loaned prisoners for work and paid nothing.

Slavery v. Peonage

Peonage, also called debt slavery or debt servitude, is a system where an employer compels a worker to pay off a debt with work. Legally, peonage was outlawed by Congress in 1867. However, after Reconstruction, many Southern black men were swept into peonage though different methods, and the system was not completely eradicated until the 1940s.

In some cases, employers advanced workers some pay or initial transportation costs, and workers willingly agreed to work without pay in order to pay it off. Sometimes those debts were quickly paid off, and a fair wage worker/employer relationship established.

In many more cases, however, workers became indebted to planters (through sharecropping loans), merchants (through credit), or company stores (through living expenses). Workers were often unable to re-pay the debt, and found themselves in a continuous work-without-pay cycle.

But the most corrupt and abusive peonage occurred in concert with southern state and county government. In the south, many black men were picked up for minor crimes or on trumped-up charges, and, when faced with staggering fines and court fees, forced to work for a local employer would who pay their fines for them. Southern states also leased their convicts en mass to local industrialists. The paperwork and debt record of individual prisoners was often lost, and these men found themselves trapped in inescapable situations.
http://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/themes/peonage/
 
Jabu_Rule;8179817 said:
Well, i guess the US lost that facet of the war, because Canada sure celebrates it as a victory.
more proof of Canada's lameness than anything, though

yes, the US did fail to invade Canada but it's accurate to say the war wasn't about seizing Canada

 

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