How Long Do You Think Slavery Would've Lasted Had the Civil War Gone the Other Way

[zzombie]

It would have continued among the upper class of whites up until at least the 1930's.

Slavery among the rich in the south wasn't just about money it was a cultural institution of the upper class

 

[zzombie]

Brilliant thread idea this should be in the g&s where it could get more traffic

 

[Stiff]

It would have continued among the upper class of whites up until at least the 1930's.

Slavery among the rich in the south wasn't just about money it was a cultural institution of the upper class

1930 seems so late. I could see it remaining that late as a status symbol and not anymore being a practical institution tho.

I would've put it in g&s but it did just seem like more of a social lounge topic since it's more about history

 

[StillFaggyAF]

people love to forget that during the civil war, slaves rose up en masse. blacks didn't just toil on the plantations while whitey fought yankees

 

[StillFaggyAF]

plus slavery would have ceased to be economic profitable (see Cuba and Brazil)

 

[zzombie]

plus slavery would have ceased to be economic profitable (see Cuba and Brazil)

It wasn't just about money in the south. Among the white southern elite owning a slave was more than financial

 

[Will Munny]

Slavery was enshrined as a constitutional right in the CSA constitution, and over turning that would have taken like a 2/3 vote. Seeing how ass backwards the south still remained to be, slavery probably would have went well into the 1940s or 50s

 

[zzombie]

people love to forget that during the civil war, slaves rose up en masse. blacks didn't just toil on the plantations while whitey fought yankees

And after slavery ended many slaves still wanted to serve their masters.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

people love to forget that during the civil war, slaves rose up en masse. blacks didn't just toil on the plantations while whitey fought yankees

And after slavery ended many slaves still wanted to serve their masters.

not the majority. you really think the slaves in the South would be the only slave population to not rise up (which they did during the Civil War) ?

 

[zzombie]

people love to forget that during the civil war, slaves rose up en masse. blacks didn't just toil on the plantations while whitey fought yankees

And after slavery ended many slaves still wanted to serve their masters.

not the majority. you really think the slaves in the South would be the only slave population to not rise up (which they did during the Civil War) ?

it does not have to be the majority a tiny minority is all that would be needed for slavery to continue well pass it's economic efficiency. remember the premise of the thread. As the csa continued they would have had no choice but to free most of the slaves anyway but a total abolishment would have taken decades

 

[StillFaggyAF]

people love to forget that during the civil war, slaves rose up en masse. blacks didn't just toil on the plantations while whitey fought yankees

And after slavery ended many slaves still wanted to serve their masters.

not the majority. you really think the slaves in the South would be the only slave population to not rise up (which they did during the Civil War) ?

it does not have to be the majority a tiny minority is all that would be needed for slavery to continue well pass it's economic efficiency. remember the premise of the thread. As the csa continued they would have had no choice but to free most of the slaves anyway but a total abolishment would have taken decades

there was really never a chance for the Confederate states but to go along with the premise, well the only way CSA would have been able to successfully win and survive would have been with the support of the UK where slavery ended in the 1830s. UK would have pressured them to end slavery. and even if they didn't, the CSA wouldn't be able to (and couldn't IRL) stop the flow of slaves walking over into the North, even if the CSA and USA had some agreement to repatriate fugitive slaves, the North American continent is vast and there were many unclaimed territories that former slaves could go to. also, something like 30-50% of the South was slaves at the time so if 30-50% are in revolt, i don't see how the institution of slavery would have survived even if a large minority still wanted to be slaves (which they didn't). The CSA was in shambles during and after the war and would have to fight an insurgency by slaves

In addition, slaves could have organized and gotten support from outside nations (US, Latin American/Caribbean countries, possibly France etc)

I just don't see a case where the CSA survives unless it became a protectorate/proxy state of the UK and if that was the case it would end slavery too

 

[zzombie]

people love to forget that during the civil war, slaves rose up en masse. blacks didn't just toil on the plantations while whitey fought yankees

And after slavery ended many slaves still wanted to serve their masters.

not the majority. you really think the slaves in the South would be the only slave population to not rise up (which they did during the Civil War) ?

it does not have to be the majority a tiny minority is all that would be needed for slavery to continue well pass it's economic efficiency. remember the premise of the thread. As the csa continued they would have had no choice but to free most of the slaves anyway but a total abolishment would have taken decades

there was really never a chance for the Confederate states but to go along with the premise, well the only way CSA would have been able to successfully win and survive would have been with the support of the UK where slavery ended in the 1830s. UK would have pressured them to end slavery. and even if they didn't, the CSA wouldn't be able to (and couldn't IRL) stop the flow of slaves walking over into the North, even if the CSA and USA had some agreement to repatriate fugitive slaves, the North American continent is vast and there were many unclaimed territories that former slaves could go to. also, something like 30-50% of the South was slaves at the time so if 30-50% are in revolt, i don't see how the institution of slavery would have survived even if a large minority still wanted to be slaves (which they didn't). The CSA was in shambles during and after the war and would have to fight an insurgency by slaves

In addition, slaves could have organized and gotten support from outside nations (US, Latin American/Caribbean countries, possibly France etc)

I just don't see a case where the CSA survives unless it became a protectorate/proxy state of the UK and if that was the case it would end slavery too

I think you are underestimating how much these people wanted there slaves. If the csa had won at Gettysburg or Manassas as the confederates they called it , then the csa could very well have survived. Brazil continued slavery for a long time after it ended in both the UK and America I see NO reason why the csa would have bowed to pressure from the UK. Especially after fighting a bloody war to keep their slaves.

Frankly any slave revolt in the United states was doomed to failure. Geographical America is not like Haiti, Jamaica or Brazil there's no jungle mountains to hide in and the only nation willing to help would have been Haiti. where are the slaves in the getting the guns,bullets, and medicine from.

I don't have any faith in France or the UK helping slaves and blacks running to the west would surely die being in unfamiliar territory surrounded by native people who also didn't necessarily like us or want us on their land.

 

[Ajackson17]

Who knows there was black folks enslaved in Mississippi until the 1970s. I mean think about our parents generation.

But the Geechee were fighting and getting other enslaved to fight back so who knows.

 

[Stiff]

Who knows there was black folks enslaved in Mississippi until the 1970s. I mean think about our parents generation.

But the Geechee were fighting and getting other enslaved to fight back so who knows.

Huh

 

[kingblaze84]

Probably around the time Brazil ended slavery, 1880s.....I don't think slavery in the Confederate South would have lasted much longer then that, too many Blacks in the south would see their northern and western brethren free and revolts would have been almost non-stop

 

[kingblaze84]

Who knows there was black folks enslaved in Mississippi until the 1970s. I mean think about our parents generation.

But the Geechee were fighting and getting other enslaved to fight back so who knows.

Huh

I THINK he means the low paying work of sharecropping but that's not really slavery.

 

[zzombie]

I think you guys are putting to much stock in slave revolt ending slavery most slave revolts failed for good reasons.

 

[kingblaze84]

people love to forget that during the civil war, slaves rose up en masse. blacks didn't just toil on the plantations while whitey fought yankees

And after slavery ended many slaves still wanted to serve their masters.

not the majority. you really think the slaves in the South would be the only slave population to not rise up (which they did during the Civil War) ?

it does not have to be the majority a tiny minority is all that would be needed for slavery to continue well pass it's economic efficiency. remember the premise of the thread. As the csa continued they would have had no choice but to free most of the slaves anyway but a total abolishment would have taken decades

there was really never a chance for the Confederate states but to go along with the premise, well the only way CSA would have been able to successfully win and survive would have been with the support of the UK where slavery ended in the 1830s. UK would have pressured them to end slavery. and even if they didn't, the CSA wouldn't be able to (and couldn't IRL) stop the flow of slaves walking over into the North, even if the CSA and USA had some agreement to repatriate fugitive slaves, the North American continent is vast and there were many unclaimed territories that former slaves could go to. also, something like 30-50% of the South was slaves at the time so if 30-50% are in revolt, i don't see how the institution of slavery would have survived even if a large minority still wanted to be slaves (which they didn't). The CSA was in shambles during and after the war and would have to fight an insurgency by slaves

In addition, slaves could have organized and gotten support from outside nations (US, Latin American/Caribbean countries, possibly France etc)

I just don't see a case where the CSA survives unless it became a protectorate/proxy state of the UK and if that was the case it would end slavery too

This is what I believe, the Confederacy would not have been able to handle the increasing amount of slave rebellions and the Union and its allies working against the Confederacy, even if the CSA won, they would have been devastated financially and infrastructure wise. Especially with so many Blacks being free in the north and parts of the midwest after 1863, I don't think the CSA would have handled the pressure.

But I do think there's a chance slavery could have lasted until the early 1900s there.

 

[zzombie]

Mass slavery definitely would have ended but not due to slave revolts. All slave revolts in America failed so I don't see where you guys are getting the historical precedence for your speculations on the southern insistution of slavery being totally abolished.

Economic forces would have made slavery too expensive and wasteful so it would have ended anyway. Why feed and house a field slave when you can just buy a tractor??? But had the csa won I wouldn't put it pass the confederates, after the civil war they would simply have culled the slave population reducing it's population to a more manageable level.

Also depending on when the csa wins the war, the damage to their infrastructure could have been negligible.

 

[zzombie]

Mass slavery would have ended thus ending a lot of the slaves drive to fight to end slavery.

The rich whites in the csa were holding on to their house and sex slaves of that I am sure especially since some house niggers liked being slaves