How Come Mid 90s NY Rap Didn't Sell?

[EyeofAsaru]

Lol when did Too Short become the west's mascot? The east invented the nursery rhyme shit so I don't know why yall hatin on short when he paid homage to yall style and infused it with something the average person can understand and relate to...

Short is a different monster all together... he had to hustle hard to get to his position... it wasn't because he was churning out Top 100 material...

@EyeofAsaru why you assume that Too Short song was talkin bout pimpin when you have his collection and know he talks about other stuff...

The thread started as a thinly veiled east v west thread and now its an all out east v west thread just like I predicted just because a few east coast posters got in their feels when a few west coast posters made some hilarious jokes...

Let's pretend Pharcyde wasn't spittin over J. Dilla beats, Heiro weren't dope spitters that kept it hip hop, and that Blackalicious, Living Legends, Crooked I, Rass Kass and Kurupt don't exist...

I dare you to find some east coast niggaz that get as complicated as these guys...


See, we have dusty niggaz who didn't sell too... lmao...

See that song right there U posted is wack af

Bunch of dusted niggas rapping gibberish about rainclouds and lightening bolts smh

That's not what I'm talking about when eye say rapping on a more advanced level...the shit still has to make sense and connect with your soul

 

[CapitalB]

crazy..

im in the gym as i type and guess who comes on my shuffle!?


doesnt say bitch not one time and droppin more game then that Jeru track i was pained to listen to. lol

This track is funky and dope but dropping more game than jeru?!...u buggin...

Guess our definitions of game differ from each other

i said compared to the song i was asked to listen to..

havent heard enough of Jeru to make a broad claim..

but ill put Short up against damn near anybody when we talkin about "kickin knowledge"

i put that in quotes cause some niggas think soundin smart is kickin knowledge..

 

[Fosheezy]

The simple answer is west coast came through with them funk inspired beats laced with them micro korg synths, keyboards and f'd the game up !!

 

[EyeofAsaru]

Imma leave this hip hop masterpiece here for anyone who wants to expand their minds

 

[blackrain]

This Nigga got nerve to say jeru is average and then recommending them elementary ass "fisher price my first rap song"Too short rhymes with the same ol flow he been using since 88 lol...

West coast niggas are some funny muthafuckas

We'll be funny then

Hoes like senses of humor

Here's short with some actual game, but since it's not some my nine spray/my mind spray shit you might not feel it

Eye don't really need game from short but i respect it..like eye previously said Eye have all his albums ..they good for a laugh or two..

Eye unlike most of these nerds don't need a rapper to teach me how to successfully manipulate the minds of eves and lilliths...my energy alone does that

But you just said

Actually it done plenty for me...

It taught me spiritual discipline and kept me level headed

I meant game as far as talking to women bruh

You learn to control energies out here when you have spiritual discipline...spiritual discipline does not mean you don't do normal Nigga shit..just means you know a higher degree of self control and won't lose yourself out here

Wtf is wrong with you niggas? Lol..y'all stay looking for ways to trip up people in their words...

Worst than them crackas on fox news

Nah nigga you just trying too hard to be deep...you sound like this nigga

He post a Short called "The Ghetto" and you respond talking about spitting game to women...you don't "overstand" as much as you think you do if that's what you think that song is about

Eye didn't listen to the song ...smh...just saw too short in the pic and declined to listen to it...too short mostly rhymes about pimping so eye said what eye said ,b

And you can miss with all that deep shit Nigga..fuck you and the hole you came thru

You said what you said and were wrong. So you clearly don't understand as much as you think you do because one cardinal rule is don't judge some shit w/o actually knowing what it is.

How hard is it to understand a too short song tho?..eye've heard his whole discography before even the underground tapes..it ain't that deep

Bruh foh..this Nigga talking to me like we discussing complex geometry or shit that requires that you use more brain power to comprehend lol...

Nigga just can't say you was wrong and humble yourself. Gonna keep a losing battle going. You judged with out listening...you fucked up. It's that simple

You're proving my point that people often confuse being complex with being deeper. That's simply not true. Ain't nothing complex about a song like "Slipping" by DMX but the point and emotion is clear as day. Having a bunch of lyrical miracle spiritual bars don't make a song inherently better

Eye never said the lyrical miracle bullshit makes a song better..Go ahead and quote me saying that...Eye just stated that there are topics that jeru touches on that too short doesn't..Simple as that...eye no longer need game from rappers that rap about mundane human shit like too short...to be honest eye rather listen to Prince and funkadelic all day these days...Rap is starting to get boring to me

Not gonna keep arguing with you bruh...u win...Humble myself for a internet clown with a power ranger avi? Nigga please..who the fuck you supposed to be?! Lol

Your opinion about me dont matter in the real world

You talking about an avi while you out here spelling I like "eye" trying to show some fake deeper understanding you have about life and don't even realize you're exposing you're own lack of knowledge on something you claim to know about. Can't be claiming to know somebody whole discography and don't even know what they're talking about in their songs

 

[supergangster]

I've been to the West and been to the East.

 

[hiphop12345]

easy answer, The Chronic, end of story. It shifted to the west, and then to the south and it's still there.

Nah, it's not that simple.

You gotta remember nyc ain't like every other city in the nation. Nyc style, slang, and music wasn't relatable to everyone outside of the city with the exception of maybe a few people.

The south is more uniformed when it comes to music and styles. For example if I'm from Memphis and niggas from Texas is dropping music. I would relate to Texas niggas more than Nyc niggas just based off geography alone. Similar environment and experiences. Same goes with the west. Niggas on the west was making powerful music, don't get me wrong.

So if I'm from Arizona and Cali is putting out fire music. I'm gonna gravitate towards what's familiar to me.

It's 9 million people in Nyc. So many different cultures. I know West Indian people who don't listen to rap. Asian people who don't listen to rap. Etc etc. you factor all that in. And you could understand why those artists weren't going gold or platinum.

NYC is whole nother beast

@qd3

You make a strong point but the North East relate to NY. Pretty much from VA to Boston or Quebec is NY strongest markets. Then Florida, LA, and in the past Atlanta. I also know New Yorkers who didn't listen to rap.

 

[macadonwoo]

Death Row Records

 

[hiphop12345]

36 Chambers

The Sun Rises In The East

Illmatic

Hard To Earn

Reasonable Doubt

Illadelph Halflife

Do or Die

Midnight Marauders

Most of those albums didn't go gold when they were released. And if they went gold they didn't go platinum.

In contrast, Doggystyle, Me Against The World, All Eyes On Me, Regulate...The G-Funk Era, It Takes a Thief, those albums all sold multiplatinum at the time.

It seemed like New York was in a bubble and the other 49 states preferred West Coast rap.

What is it about that boom bap sound that people don't like?

Nigga what it is is everybody don't have to just only listen to boom bap just because you like that shit. I do too but not all the time. Fans probably reflect the way I view music more than How they reflect how you listen to music. See the Westcoast came in with good rappers AND a fresh new sound that was a contrast to that New York stuff that was starting to sound repetitive and you guys had so many groups out with the same kinda beats. It's like fuckin overkill of boom bap. That's why New York was losing in the mid 90's. Not because the rappers weren't good. It's because nobody was innovative when it came to an alternative sound. The difference between me and you is I like alotta the hip hop you like but not all the time...you can't get enough of just that and don't have an ability to be versital enough to give your own ears a break and appreciate a west coast or southern sound. Sometimes you want some music to chill and smoke a blunt and talk to bitches to. Who the hell mingles with the opposite sex with a Jeru the fuckin Damaga sound in the background? Are you kidding me dude? Hell nawl you need that Dominio "sweat potato pie" or that "Summertime in the LBC" stuff

The only brawds that you were going to bag because you listening to Summertime in the LBC went to planned parenthood the day before, and the month before, and the year before. It was all about RnB and if you lived in NY, Dancehall was going to take care of the rest.



'Hey ma, ima get the mood right wit this Dr Dre Chronic.

Press Play: Bitches aint shit but hoes and tricks'.

 

[EyeofAsaru]

This Nigga got nerve to say jeru is average and then recommending them elementary ass "fisher price my first rap song"Too short rhymes with the same ol flow he been using since 88 lol...

West coast niggas are some funny muthafuckas

We'll be funny then

Hoes like senses of humor

Here's short with some actual game, but since it's not some my nine spray/my mind spray shit you might not feel it

Eye don't really need game from short but i respect it..like eye previously said Eye have all his albums ..they good for a laugh or two..

Eye unlike most of these nerds don't need a rapper to teach me how to successfully manipulate the minds of eves and lilliths...my energy alone does that

But you just said

Actually it done plenty for me...

It taught me spiritual discipline and kept me level headed

I meant game as far as talking to women bruh

You learn to control energies out here when you have spiritual discipline...spiritual discipline does not mean you don't do normal Nigga shit..just means you know a higher degree of self control and won't lose yourself out here

Wtf is wrong with you niggas? Lol..y'all stay looking for ways to trip up people in their words...

Worst than them crackas on fox news

Nah nigga you just trying too hard to be deep...you sound like this nigga

He post a Short called "The Ghetto" and you respond talking about spitting game to women...you don't "overstand" as much as you think you do if that's what you think that song is about

Eye didn't listen to the song ...smh...just saw too short in the pic and declined to listen to it...too short mostly rhymes about pimping so eye said what eye said ,b

And you can miss with all that deep shit Nigga..fuck you and the hole you came thru

You said what you said and were wrong. So you clearly don't understand as much as you think you do because one cardinal rule is don't judge some shit w/o actually knowing what it is.

How hard is it to understand a too short song tho?..eye've heard his whole discography before even the underground tapes..it ain't that deep

Bruh foh..this Nigga talking to me like we discussing complex geometry or shit that requires that you use more brain power to comprehend lol...

Nigga just can't say you was wrong and humble yourself. Gonna keep a losing battle going. You judged with out listening...you fucked up. It's that simple

You're proving my point that people often confuse being complex with being deeper. That's simply not true. Ain't nothing complex about a song like "Slipping" by DMX but the point and emotion is clear as day. Having a bunch of lyrical miracle spiritual bars don't make a song inherently better

Eye never said the lyrical miracle bullshit makes a song better..Go ahead and quote me saying that...Eye just stated that there are topics that jeru touches on that too short doesn't..Simple as that...eye no longer need game from rappers that rap about mundane human shit like too short...to be honest eye rather listen to Prince and funkadelic all day these days...Rap is starting to get boring to me

Not gonna keep arguing with you bruh...u win...Humble myself for a internet clown with a power ranger avi? Nigga please..who the fuck you supposed to be?! Lol

Your opinion about me dont matter in the real world

You talking about an avi while you out here spelling I like "eye" trying to show some fake deeper understanding you have about life and don't even realize you're exposing you're own lack of knowledge on something you claim to know about. Can't be claiming to know somebody whole discography and don't even know what they're talking about in their songs

Lol ok...look I'm not gonna keep writing paragraphs to u fam..it's not going anywhere..fuck what u think..You irrelevant..peace

 

[hiphop12345]

This is part of a @5grand series of threads where he poses a question with an obvious answer to make it look as if you are admitting that since west coast music was more popular than east coast boom bap with the casual music buying public that boom bap is some how more intellectual and legit than music from any other region...

I'm from the west and we hold old school hip hop in high regards... get off your isolated high horse...

How old are you?

Do you even remember the mid 90s?

I was born in 83... yes, I remember the mid 90s...

So you were a teen. You can probably explain it better than I can. I was in my 20s and we used to laugh at West Coast rappers. We thought New York rappers could rap circles around West Coast rappers.

funny..

we use to laugh at East Coast rappers..

u niggas wasnt havin no money..

u niggas wasnt gettin no bitches..

jus a bunch of niggas huddled up havin sword fights and callin it a cypher or some shit. lol

yall niggas was homies over hoes..

we was "but we dont love these hoes" lol

Lol one of my good friend told me that same thing. Said he went to NY in the 90's for the first time and said he never seen so many hustlers in his life. He thought everybody was going to be on the train with back packs but instead saw brothas with foreign whips(always a NY thing) and bad as women from everywhere.

It's funny how times and perception is a mothafucka. In the 70's and 80's NY was partying like a mothafucka while cats in L.A was killing each other over rainbow colors.

"But I don't party and shake my butt, I leave that to the brothers with the funny haircuts"



"I don't wanna see no dancing I'm sick of that shit"

Got damn Cube, you at the party like this?:

Lighten up from time to time and have fun:

 

[hiphop12345]

NY can't blame nobody but themselves considering y'all had all the resources and labels within arms reach.

Some good music was being made but from an outsiders POV it comes off as a inside joke if they don't understand and can't relate to what the fuck you talking about. That casual nonsense y'all saying is just a cop for nobody wanting to hear the shit outside your area.

As populated as it is up there there ain't no excuse for some of the albums listed not selling. Yall was happy as hell being stuck in your own boomBOX and wasn't even supporting some of your best artist.

Meanwhile kats down here was independent eating and feastin out the back of their trunk with debut albums due to the fact those same doors that were wide open to y'all was shut tight for us. We wasn't trippin it just made our hustle and grind that much more potent.

Prince laid the blueprint but DJ Screw was our own major label and A&R.

Niggas shut up with your blot clot crying. NY was independent as well, all the early Hip Hop labels were independent. Also if the trunk money was so amazing, why sign with the majors?

'fools wasn't messing with us down hurr'

'Yo what you think about Canada rap scene'

'Fuck Canada'



'Yo let me put you on to his reggae and dancehall music'

'Nah partna, I don't like that kind of music'

'Why not, shit dope'

'Eyes don't understand what days saying'

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Damn this Hip Hop guy came in blasting

 

[CapitalB]

This is part of a @5grand series of threads where he poses a question with an obvious answer to make it look as if you are admitting that since west coast music was more popular than east coast boom bap with the casual music buying public that boom bap is some how more intellectual and legit than music from any other region...

I'm from the west and we hold old school hip hop in high regards... get off your isolated high horse...

How old are you?

Do you even remember the mid 90s?

I was born in 83... yes, I remember the mid 90s...

So you were a teen. You can probably explain it better than I can. I was in my 20s and we used to laugh at West Coast rappers. We thought New York rappers could rap circles around West Coast rappers.

funny..

we use to laugh at East Coast rappers..

u niggas wasnt havin no money..

u niggas wasnt gettin no bitches..

jus a bunch of niggas huddled up havin sword fights and callin it a cypher or some shit. lol

yall niggas was homies over hoes..

we was "but we dont love these hoes" lol

Lol one of my good friend told me that same thing. Said he went to NY in the 90's for the first time and said he never seen so many hustlers in his life. He thought everybody was going to be on the train with back packs but instead saw brothas with foreign whips(always a NY thing) and bad as women from everywhere.

It's funny how times and perception is a mothafucka. In the 70's and 80's NY was partying like a mothafucka while cats in L.A was killing each other over rainbow colors.

"But I don't party and shake my butt, I leave that to the brothers with the funny haircuts"



"I don't wanna see no dancing I'm sick of that shit"

Got damn Cube, you at the party like this?:

Lighten up from time to time and have fun:

niggas wasn't killing each other in the 70s and early 80s..

and breaking came out looooooooong before house party..

oh wait.. u thought LA was all gangbangin?? lol

and nobody said NY niggas wasn't getting money and having bitches..

but them niggas u speak of was loving the fuck out of that WestCoast shit i can guarantee u that... and they damn sure wasn't playing that Jeru shit. lol

funny NY don't support they own like they do other regions seein as back then even though all the hate was commin out of NY all the albums was going IN to NY.. maybe y'all was jus buyin the shit to talk about how simple our shit was.. as well as the South. lol

 

[NuffRespect]

Who cares about sales if the music good rock out, there cant be motherfuckers out there who rock out to joint saying to themselves every 2 seconds this sold millions this is so hard

 

[CapitalB]

36 Chambers

The Sun Rises In The East

Illmatic

Hard To Earn

Reasonable Doubt

Illadelph Halflife

Do or Die

Midnight Marauders

Most of those albums didn't go gold when they were released. And if they went gold they didn't go platinum.

In contrast, Doggystyle, Me Against The World, All Eyes On Me, Regulate...The G-Funk Era, It Takes a Thief, those albums all sold multiplatinum at the time.

It seemed like New York was in a bubble and the other 49 states preferred West Coast rap.

What is it about that boom bap sound that people don't like?

Nigga what it is is everybody don't have to just only listen to boom bap just because you like that shit. I do too but not all the time. Fans probably reflect the way I view music more than How they reflect how you listen to music. See the Westcoast came in with good rappers AND a fresh new sound that was a contrast to that New York stuff that was starting to sound repetitive and you guys had so many groups out with the same kinda beats. It's like fuckin overkill of boom bap. That's why New York was losing in the mid 90's. Not because the rappers weren't good. It's because nobody was innovative when it came to an alternative sound. The difference between me and you is I like alotta the hip hop you like but not all the time...you can't get enough of just that and don't have an ability to be versital enough to give your own ears a break and appreciate a west coast or southern sound. Sometimes you want some music to chill and smoke a blunt and talk to bitches to. Who the hell mingles with the opposite sex with a Jeru the fuckin Damaga sound in the background? Are you kidding me dude? Hell nawl you need that Dominio "sweat potato pie" or that "Summertime in the LBC" stuff

The only brawds that you were going to bag because you listening to Summertime in the LBC went to planned parenthood the day before, and the month before, and the year before. It was all about RnB and if you lived in NY, Dancehall was going to take care of the rest.



'Hey ma, ima get the mood right wit this Dr Dre Chronic.

Press Play: Bitches aint shit but hoes and tricks'.

"set the mood right??!" the fuck!?!?!

let me guess.. u meet a bitch in the club and take her home on some lets peer into each other's soul type shit..

probably do it missionary the whole time so u can kiss her in the mouth. hahahahaha

nah nigga.

not us..

"cause we don't love these hoes!"

 

[BenjaminE]

Lol when did Too Short become the west's mascot? The east invented the nursery rhyme shit so I don't know why yall hatin on short when he paid homage to yall style and infused it with something the average person can understand and relate to...

Short is a different monster all together... he had to hustle hard to get to his position... it wasn't because he was churning out Top 100 material...

@EyeofAsaru why you assume that Too Short song was talkin bout pimpin when you have his collection and know he talks about other stuff...

The thread started as a thinly veiled east v west thread and now its an all out east v west thread just like I predicted just because a few east coast posters got in their feels when a few west coast posters made some hilarious jokes...

Let's pretend Pharcyde wasn't spittin over J. Dilla beats, Heiro weren't dope spitters that kept it hip hop, and that Blackalicious, Living Legends, Crooked I, Rass Kass and Kurupt don't exist...

I dare you to find some east coast niggaz that get as complicated as these guys...


See, we have dusty niggaz who didn't sell too... lmao...

See that song right there U posted is wack af

Bunch of dusted niggas rapping gibberish about rainclouds and lightening bolts smh

That's not what I'm talking about when eye say rapping on a more advanced level...the shit still has to make sense and connect with your soul

Well at least it looks like you actually listened to the song I posted instead of faking the funk like you did with Too Short...

Honestly, I couldn't finish that Jeru track... I always thought Jeru was remedial as fuck... only track I liked from him was El Presidente and that had more to do with DJ Honda...

But to each his own, right eye?

 

[uncommonsense]

Damn this Hip Hop guy came in blasting

Don't gas that nigga @hiphop12345 up he came in here with that jack mackerel between his legs as usual.

He was so quick type w/ his pussy popper he overlooked the fact the majority of those OGs independent to this day.

And for the record, I'd slap the ovaries out ya ass so chill out with the blatant disrespect.

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Damn this Hip Hop guy came in blasting

Don't gas that nigga @hiphop12345 up he came in here with that jack mackerel between his legs as usual.

He was so quick type w/ his pussy popper he overlooked the fact the majority of those OGs independent to this day.

And for the record, I'd slap the ovaries out ya ass so chill out with the blatant disrespect.

Wait a minute, you gonna slap me or him?

 

[its....JOHN B]

From the interview that almost got Biggie clapped in Sactown

Too $hort: Ten. That’s my dog right there. I love that nigga. That’s my

man. The calibre of shit he got. Cocktails shit, I ain’t got to see that

shit yet. I know that shit was hot! I was with him in Atlanta and we were

just kickin’ it and shit. That’s my dog. I love that man.

He sits and reflects on what we have asked and offers, “I’m into fly pimp,

straight flat shit. I don’t like no nigga that I have to decipher but some

shit that I don dicipher I give a ten…Nas, I give Jeru a ten, I give

ummmmm?…."

I'm reminded of this because somehow it turned into Jeru vs Too short, point is it's not impossible to like both