How can God be perfect?

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Because God encompasses everything. Good and evil. God has always been here. he/she was never born and can never die. God is the empty space, God is boredom, God is the color black. In actuality the color Black is not a color at all but it does encompasses all of the other colors of the rainbow...Technically speaking, black is merely the absence of the wavelengths of the visible light spectrum. So when you are in a room with no lights and everything around you appears black, it means that there are no wavelengths of visible light striking your eye as you sight at the surroundings...God created those wavelengthshttp://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/light/u12l2a.cfm

 
By you being able to contemplate "perfection and morality" indicates that you (and all of humanity) fall far short of the perfect standard, which is God.

Mankind can never measure up to the illusive standard of perfection because we see the deficiencies in our own life day in and day out. Thus the rational mind, who seeks to know the truth, understands that there must be a higher standard out there. That standard is God, the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you know Him today?
 
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Did not God create the world? Therefore knows what's perfect for it? How so is it that man has the nerve to doubt/question God who created man in the first place?

God's conversation with Job was ether to man... Ether... Job was asking all these questions, questioning why God did what He did and all sorts of Why questions trying to justify himself and the first things God asked Him (along with a whole chapter of ether) was

Job 38

1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

translation: "Where were you when I created everything??? I'm sorry, that's RHETORICAL"

17 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

If your 20, 30, 40, 50 year old self thinks they know about a world a 1000 times older than you, then speak it

otherwise, sit the f down, chill, and enjoy life the best way you can
 
So, since he created everything and is perfection for that reason.

Okay.

But he cannot be all 3 and be morally perfect. He doesn't have perfect moral traits, therefore he is imperfect.
 
Well I follow, study Black Roots Science which says that 'God' who was/is perfect in everyway and has always yearned to experience imperfection. If you were God and was never born and can never die what would be the one thing that you would want to experience? of course you would want to know what it would be like to be born and what it would be like to die. God birthed himself by dividing into a man and a woman using the blackness of space the ether ( what atheist now call virtual particles) as his/her skin. This Earth was agreed to be set up to experience imperfection when it was created trillions of years ago. About 44000 years ago 'God' who was then divided into 1billion 8 million 'Black' men and women began to degrade their perfect bodies to prepare for the experience of imperfection. When Yahweh was born about 6000 years ago he was preordained to bring forth this imperfection because he discovered the hidden dark side of our characters. And he along with 58000 volunteers ( who eventually became the Elohim ) and his wife brought fourth this imperfect/evil/decay in the form of the white races (Asians, Mongolians, arabs, Caucasians) who would dominate over us for a period of about 6000 years. The Elders around the world cast Yahweh and the Elohim out of 'heaven' and into a small island called Patmos where he began to create evil in the form of the White races. After the white races was created everybody agreed to participate in this world of sin/decay/evil/imperfection and allow the White races to dominate over us for a period of 6000 years.

So consequently God encompasses everything- Good and Evil. This is the mind of God. And he set up this world especially to finally experience imperfection in the form of evil. the goal of black men and women on Earth who are the product of the division of 'God' goal is to create new and everlasting creations that will live forever. When the white races die they (if they choose) will live forever in the mind of Yahweh, their creator.
 
VIBE;507403 said:
God is described as perfection; omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.

If he is all of these, his morals have to come into play. He is the moral standard of the bible, of all faiths and what many religious people base their morals off of.

"If God didn't exist, then we would have no morals."

His perfection is so perfect it's imperfect. He cannot be one or more of those 3 things he is described as. A morally perfect person would see the things considered sinful not fit as a punishment; murder, anger, hatred etc...

So, how can god be considered a perfect being when he, himself, isn't moral at all?

I could be wrong, but I think the impression of God would be this being that is a infinite bundle of functions that has no will over them; that if God is the three omni's, then He is so without any say so on the matter. It's like saying that God is all powerful...and there is nothing He can do about it.

If morals is the basis for why people believe in God, then prepare to be be disappointed 100% of the time. The Bible is about what Jesus (or whatever the proper name is) and what was done so that those who believe may have life.
 
I think it silly to attribute god with all this grand power then say, "welp, it doesn't matter what you say because god can do whatever he wants because he's god!"

It's such a lame cop out.

Nothing of gods can be questioned because in the end "he's god". lol

I was having this conversation w someone else and basically it came down to the same response.

I was hoping it would've been different but I see the mentally is all the same.
 
In our mortal perception of it, it may appear to be perfect to "those who believe". On a infinite cosmic level of perception or understanding, it may be found imperfect, as our definition of perfection and ability to perceive changes.

What is perfection and what does it mean to be perfect, it all boils back to perception. Some see the universe and our world as god's perfection defined, some human decided to disobey it and created imperfection from free will. Maybe it was a an illusion and still is, just another thing to philosophise and discover, usually through science as faith can not prove it.

What do I believe? I doesn't matter, what I believe because it all doesn't matter what you believe does not matter either. Perfection is defined by humans as is god, if your friend came to you and said "god told them in a vision all whites or all blacks need to die." are you killing them? Do you listen to the meatbag or are you driven by some source not to listen, you define the source. Illusions all of them and even illusion can not define that unknown. We are eventually know enough to understand better but not at this time.
 
VIBE;6581359 said:
I think it silly to attribute god with all this grand power then say, "welp, it doesn't matter what you say because god can do whatever he wants because he's god!"

It's such a lame cop out.

Nothing of gods can be questioned because in the end "he's god". lol

I was having this conversation w someone else and basically it came down to the same response.

I was hoping it would've been different but I see the mentally is all the same.

It would be a cop out if God's grand power is depended on what the "Christian" says it is. If God is who He says He is, it doesn't matter what anybody...believer or non-believer...has to say about it. You might find that people out of arrogance speak of God's power as a "power play", but it wouldn't add or take away from anything.
 
indyman87;6575430 said:
Well I follow, study Black Roots Science which says that 'God' who was/is perfect in everyway and has always yearned to experience imperfection. If you were God and was never born and can never die what would be the one thing that you would want to experience? of course you would want to know what it would be like to be born and what it would be like to die. God birthed himself by dividing into a man and a woman using the blackness of space the ether ( what atheist now call virtual particles) as his/her skin. This Earth was agreed to be set up to experience imperfection when it was created trillions of years ago. About 44000 years ago 'God' who was then divided into 1billion 8 million 'Black' men and women began to degrade their perfect bodies to prepare for the experience of imperfection. When Yahweh was born about 6000 years ago he was preordained to bring forth this imperfection because he discovered the hidden dark side of our characters. And he along with 58000 volunteers ( who eventually became the Elohim ) and his wife brought fourth this imperfect/evil/decay in the form of the white races (Asians, Mongolians, arabs, Caucasians) who would dominate over us for a period of about 6000 years. The Elders around the world cast Yahweh and the Elohim out of 'heaven' and into a small island called Patmos where he began to create evil in the form of the White races. After the white races was created everybody agreed to participate in this world of sin/decay/evil/imperfection and allow the White races to dominate over us for a period of 6000 years.

So consequently God encompasses everything- Good and Evil. This is the mind of God. And he set up this world especially to finally experience imperfection in the form of evil. the goal of black men and women on Earth who are the product of the division of 'God' goal is to create new and everlasting creations that will live forever. When the white races die they (if they choose) will live forever in the mind of Yahweh, their creator.

Yahew is a evil entity in gnostic christanity that works against humanity.
 
Don't people realize that it is because of this killer god shown us in the bible that is partly responsible for the killer mentality that modern educated man possess. Like children, we emulate our fathers, and they taught us that god is our father, and many believe it, when one reads the bible, one sees a vengeful, wicked and killer god, he appears to be a Roman with split personality, one minute he appears to be good, next minute he appears to be a monster. So these religious crooks who put together this bible were conquerors and were brutalizing the known world, this book they produced was a way of justifying their actions, "show them a cruel god and they would look upon our cruel and wicked actions as normal" and it is exactly as they predicted. But the masses themselves actually became cruel and wicked. The psychology of a cruel god is that it will create a cruel and wicked people. Our modern civilization, our character, our mannerism, our behaviors, and the way we relate to each other is all based on what we learned out of that book. A cruel god begets a cruel people.There is no way that such a god can be good for humanity, therefore, I reject this book and the father it has offered me, I have no desire to be like him.
 
CAVEMAN CHRONICLES 101: GOD IS SUCH A LOVING GOD!

Someday GOD will force parents eat their own children.

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. --Leviticus 26:29

And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters. -- Deuteronomy 28:53

And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend. -- Jeremiah 19:9
 
@beenwise. People are responsible for this killer mentality. It's whether or not people use religion for their motives. You say that religion is partly responsible meaning the other part is just as responsible.
 
alissowack;6589729 said:
@beenwise. People are responsible for this killer mentality. It's whether or not people use religion for their motives. You say that religion is partly responsible meaning the other part is just as responsible.

you failed to understand the post itself. read again then reply.
 
I always saw the ontological argument as flawed because perfection is relative. A perfect god to one person might be one that exists, but to another not existing may be what makes a God perfect as it better suites their interests.

That said God can not be perfect to everyone
 
beenwize;6589889 said:
alissowack;6589729 said:
@beenwise. People are responsible for this killer mentality. It's whether or not people use religion for their motives. You say that religion is partly responsible meaning the other part is just as responsible.

you failed to understand the post itself. read again then reply.

Well, I'll just have to accept failure then for you lost me with "partly responsible".

 
alissowack;6583216 said:
VIBE;6581359 said:
I think it silly to attribute god with all this grand power then say, "welp, it doesn't matter what you say because god can do whatever he wants because he's god!"

It's such a lame cop out.

Nothing of gods can be questioned because in the end "he's god". lol

I was having this conversation w someone else and basically it came down to the same response.

I was hoping it would've been different but I see the mentally is all the same.

It would be a cop out if God's grand power is depended on what the "Christian" says it is. If God is who He says He is, it doesn't matter what anybody...believer or non-believer...has to say about it. You might find that people out of arrogance speak of God's power as a "power play", but it wouldn't add or take away from anything.

So what has god said?

Because everything that describes god, within the bible, comes from men, not god.
 
VIBE;6611953 said:
alissowack;6583216 said:
VIBE;6581359 said:
I think it silly to attribute god with all this grand power then say, "welp, it doesn't matter what you say because god can do whatever he wants because he's god!"

It's such a lame cop out.

Nothing of gods can be questioned because in the end "he's god". lol

I was having this conversation w someone else and basically it came down to the same response.

I was hoping it would've been different but I see the mentally is all the same.

It would be a cop out if God's grand power is depended on what the "Christian" says it is. If God is who He says He is, it doesn't matter what anybody...believer or non-believer...has to say about it. You might find that people out of arrogance speak of God's power as a "power play", but it wouldn't add or take away from anything.

So what has god said?

Because everything that describes god, within the bible, comes from men, not god.

Our perception (not interpretation) of God comes from men. When the Bible describes God, we read into it with presuppositions already made. We read the Bible already thinking we have God figured out. We take terms like "all powerful" and we think it has something to do with something that is tangible, attainable or measurable. So we ask petty questions as to what does God's Power consist of...like...can God create a boulder too heavy to lift...or to sound "Christian"-like...can God cure someone's terminal illness by merely praying it away.
 
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