Hot 97 Rosenberg: Jay Z is jockin Kanye

[GetoBoy]

Bye shady...just remember you did this to yourself...see you in a week

 

[tompetrez3]

Ban me and bring my wife back the IC need her. Face it niggas shadyteam is next in line to run the entire illcommunity in near future she got just as many stripes as any odiesel era vet. I dont understand why she get banned everytime some weak jigga bitch catch feelings off a post. Shadyteam trying to break ground for more women to come on ic. Ima be real with yall niggas. Whenever my lady friends, female family members read the ic they be calling all of us gay and suspect because women be like why yall niggas arguing about other niggas to other niggas. We need diversity. Buttuh, Shadyteam, jr, gee and a few others yall call the trolls are actually the ones keeping the ic afloat. Get tired of seeing the outside the box posters get clapped because some snitch ass jigga bitch dont like what they say about jay z.

 

[buttuh_b]

@tompetrez3‌ on everything I love they keep locking every serious thread I make. Why my "5 years later and J Cole has contributed nothing to hip hop" get shut down but they allow these stagnant posters to recycle the same region war and jigga dick kickin fests to be made every day. They trying to turn this into nazi Germany and drive all the critical thinking posters away

 

[xxCivicxx]

Jay definitely needs Kanye a lot more than Kanye needs Jay.

Yea cuz we all seen how much jay was struggling b4 kanye came along...gotta love the IC

You mean how he needs at least one other person on a track for it to be a successful single?

Yea Jay needs 'Ye. Especially since his most recent album went platinum without a feature or beat from 'Ye. Makes sense.

Oh you mean his most recent production-heavy, heavily engineered endeavor where all he talks about is white people and where he presold 1 million copies to a phone company at like less than half of what the every day consumer was charged?

Jay needs talented people around him in order to continue to succeed and it's been that way for years. He should just go the Diddy route and have somebody ghost write for him, maybe his verses will sound better

 

[Me1971]

Jay definitely needs Kanye a lot more than Kanye needs Jay.

Yea cuz we all seen how much jay was struggling b4 kanye came along...gotta love the IC

You mean how he needs at least one other person on a track for it to be a successful single?

Yea Jay needs 'Ye. Especially since his most recent album went platinum without a feature or beat from 'Ye. Makes sense.

Oh you mean his most recent production-heavy, heavily engineered endeavor where all he talks about is white people and where he presold 1 million copies to a phone company at like less than half of what the every day consumer was charged?

Jay needs talented people around him in order to continue to succeed and it's been that way for years. He should just go the Diddy route and have somebody ghost write for him, maybe his verses will sound better

American Gangster did fine without Kanye involvement too and that was his worst engineered album since Reasonable Doubt. That was in 2007 during Kanye's peak and who did a bulk of the production.....the Hitmen who haven't had hits since the 90's. What successful artist doesn't surround themselves with talented people and great engineered albums? Kanye had help from more producers that had recent hits on Yeezus with more videos and promo and it sold a almost a million less than WTT that had Jay on it. Plus, Jay has had plenty of hits by himself (Dirt Off Your Shoulder, 99 Problems, Who U Wit, Show Me What You Got, Roc Boys, DOA, Picasso Baby). Being objective, every legends biggest hit (except Em) had an R&B feature on it or "another successful" person on the song....Tupac's 3 biggest hits had Dre & Roger Troutman, Jodeci, and an R&B singer on the hook (Dear Mama).

 

[Already Home_17]

Jay definitely needs Kanye a lot more than Kanye needs Jay.

Yea cuz we all seen how much jay was struggling b4 kanye came along...gotta love the IC

You mean how he needs at least one other person on a track for it to be a successful single?

Yea Jay needs 'Ye. Especially since his most recent album went platinum without a feature or beat from 'Ye. Makes sense.

Oh you mean his most recent production-heavy, heavily engineered endeavor where all he talks about is white people and where he presold 1 million copies to a phone company at like less than half of what the every day consumer was charged?

Jay needs talented people around him in order to continue to succeed and it's been that way for years. He should just go the Diddy route and have somebody ghost write for him, maybe his verses will sound better

production heavy, heavily engineered? how are these bad? he's supposed to drop an acapella instead? he's suppose to sound like he's rapping in his moms basement instead of a legit recording studio?

jay is just as talented and successful as the talented people that surrounds him. you act like dudes accomplished nothing the 18 years he's been in the game

But you gotta admit, WTT did give Jay that credibility as far as acclaim is concerned. Cats were sayin how Hov was all money no content, lyrically lazy, etc. I think WTT killed that notion. The grammy wins was a good look too. I wouldn't say swaggerjacking/jockin cuz Hov always had his own style but he did use Kanye to give himself more credibility as an artist, look at the direction he's trying to go in now. Less braggadocio/opulence & more content, high art/fashion, socially conscious, mature etc. He's think more about his legacy. Hov is trying to be 60 & still rapping that's why he's setting himself up like that. Yall dont eem see it yet.

Every decade Hov has always cleverly used artists to keep himself hot, he doesn't need them but they do help. Nothing wrong with that at all.

critics biggest issue with WTT was the braggadocious lyrics if I remember correctly

 

[xxCivicxx]

Jay definitely needs Kanye a lot more than Kanye needs Jay.

Yea cuz we all seen how much jay was struggling b4 kanye came along...gotta love the IC

You mean how he needs at least one other person on a track for it to be a successful single?

Yea Jay needs 'Ye. Especially since his most recent album went platinum without a feature or beat from 'Ye. Makes sense.

Oh you mean his most recent production-heavy, heavily engineered endeavor where all he talks about is white people and where he presold 1 million copies to a phone company at like less than half of what the every day consumer was charged?

Jay needs talented people around him in order to continue to succeed and it's been that way for years. He should just go the Diddy route and have somebody ghost write for him, maybe his verses will sound better

American Gangster did fine without Kanye involvement too and that was his worst engineered album since Reasonable Doubt. That was in 2007 during Kanye's peak and who did a bulk of the production.....the Hitmen who haven't had hits since the 90's. What successful artist doesn't surround themselves with talented people and great engineered albums? Kanye had help from more producers that had recent hits on Yeezus with more videos and promo and it sold a almost a million less than WTT that had Jay on it. Plus, Jay has had plenty of hits by himself (Dirt Off Your Shoulder, 99 Problems, Who U Wit, Show Me What You Got, Roc Boys, DOA, Picasso Baby). Being objective, every legends biggest hit (except Em) had an R&B feature on it or "another successful" person on the song....Tupac's 3 biggest hits had Dre & Roger Troutman, Jodeci, and an R&B singer on the hook (Dear Mama).

And how does any of that change the fact that it's mainly white people checking for Jay-Z and it's been that way for a minute? The grammys should have told you that he had the 2nd highest votes for best rap album while GKMC had the lowest votes by far

My point is that Jay needs help period in urban markets. It could be Kanye, it could be Pharrell, it could be Timbaland, it could be Just Blaze, or any of the people that have made hit hooks for him. Most of his major hits heavily involve other people

 

[Me1971]

Jay definitely needs Kanye a lot more than Kanye needs Jay.

Yea cuz we all seen how much jay was struggling b4 kanye came along...gotta love the IC

You mean how he needs at least one other person on a track for it to be a successful single?

Yea Jay needs 'Ye. Especially since his most recent album went platinum without a feature or beat from 'Ye. Makes sense.

Oh you mean his most recent production-heavy, heavily engineered endeavor where all he talks about is white people and where he presold 1 million copies to a phone company at like less than half of what the every day consumer was charged?

Jay needs talented people around him in order to continue to succeed and it's been that way for years. He should just go the Diddy route and have somebody ghost write for him, maybe his verses will sound better

American Gangster did fine without Kanye involvement too and that was his worst engineered album since Reasonable Doubt. That was in 2007 during Kanye's peak and who did a bulk of the production.....the Hitmen who haven't had hits since the 90's. What successful artist doesn't surround themselves with talented people and great engineered albums? Kanye had help from more producers that had recent hits on Yeezus with more videos and promo and it sold a almost a million less than WTT that had Jay on it. Plus, Jay has had plenty of hits by himself (Dirt Off Your Shoulder, 99 Problems, Who U Wit, Show Me What You Got, Roc Boys, DOA, Picasso Baby). Being objective, every legends biggest hit (except Em) had an R&B feature on it or "another successful" person on the song....Tupac's 3 biggest hits had Dre & Roger Troutman, Jodeci, and an R&B singer on the hook (Dear Mama).

And how does any of that change the fact that it's mainly white people checking for Jay-Z and it's been that way for a minute? The grammys should have told you that he had the 2nd highest votes for best rap album while GKMC had the lowest votes by far

My point is that Jay needs help period in urban markets. It could be Kanye, it could be Pharrell, it could be Timbaland, it could be Just Blaze, or any of the people that have made hit hooks for him. Most of his major hits heavily involve other people

But doesn't that same logic apply to every single artist too? And why is that bad? I don't agree with it, it's corny but it makes sense business wise. Name one successful hip hop album that a lot of white people didn't buy? What artist doesn't need help? Everything you said applies to every single successful rapper too. This is the music industry, he's in the business of selling music, white people buy music, you have to cater to your majority buying demographic, that's common sense. I don't expect an artist to spend hundreds of thousands making an album only to market it strictly to a demographic that doesn't buy. He has songs for the heads on the album cuts though. If you watch the documentary Tanning of America, you'll see how every artist from Micheal Jackson to Whitney Houston had to cater to the majority buyer demographic to be as successful as they were. Like Jay said "if you would buy it, nigga I would spit it". He plays the game a little too well. .

 

[dontdiedontkillanyon]

Jay definitely needs Kanye a lot more than Kanye needs Jay.

 

[usmarin3]

FYI for those who say Jay needs Kanye, lets look at their last two album sales

MBTDF sold 1.5 mil

Yeezus sold 500k

BP3 sold 2 mil

MCHG did 2.1 mil

 

[THE_R_]

KANYE DID EXECUTIVE PRODUCE & PRODUCE MOST OF BP3

MCHG WAS ALL JAY THO...

 

[rapmusic]

I wonder what Jay Z would be like if he was just rapping over soul beats and wearing suits kinda like in the American Gangsta days. I mean people are saying this stuff about Jay/Kanye because Jay is on this weird fashion tip. Jay should be the last person to have to rely on that bullshit. I mean this guy is a trendsetter! People should be following him, not the other way around. If Jay just did him and quit trying to do what he thinks his fans want him to do, he would be ok. Niggas would talk shit or shake their heads if somebody like Big Daddy Kane or Rakim came out dressed in that overpriced bullshit and they're around the same age as Jay.

 

[usmarin3]

KANYE DID EXECUTIVE PRODUCE & PRODUCE MOST OF BP3

MCHG WAS ALL JAY THO...

Yes but the biggest song on that album had nothing to do with Kanye. It could be said he produced the worst songs on the album. lol

 

[buttuh_b]

KANYE DID EXECUTIVE PRODUCE & PRODUCE MOST OF BP3

MCHG WAS ALL JAY THO...

Yes but the biggest song on that album had nothing to do with Kanye. It could be said he produced the worst songs on the album. lol

Run This Town featuring Kanye West and Rihanna was his first #1 single in his 30 year career. It dropped before Empire State of Mind.

 

[_Goldie_]

 

[GetoBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKIMNFPLbwc

LMAO!!!!!

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

That nigga still been jocking Kanye.

 

[illedout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKIMNFPLbwc

WOW..

Rosenberg bitched up when he got that phone call from Jay..

 

[buttuh_b]

What a dweeb

 

[MarcusGarvey]

Ye blew breathe in his lungs. (I still feel Jays aesthetics now is very much Kanye influenced. At this point Ye don't need the co-sign. Even with all the braggadocio raps on WTT, it was a dope album. Interesting from start to finish.

MCHG was ok, dull after a few spins.

But why is that bad? Ye's best as producer/visionary, I'll take a second WTT album.

Rosenberg a fuck boy