HEBREWS "Worship not his Star ,his Symbol, his mark" (THE SO-CALLED STAR OF DAVID)

[waterproof]

The Law is for our benefit, not for Yah's. Faith and Law are two different things. Any questions about Yah seemingly altering his policy in the New Testament can be gauged by this measure-----Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

The people who put together the Bible used older materials. They were not Hebrews nor were they friends of our people. The Septuagint was written by Hellenistic Hebrews by command of their colonizers. Greek is a profane tongue. Why would YHWH seal his Holy word in the tongue of the same demons who sacrificed pigs at the Temple?

I thought maybe ya'll would figure it out on ya'lls own because I really don't like getting into this type of stuff but I'm going to make a thread on the history of the so-called New Testament and the exact contradictions of Paul.

We must use discernment. What "new" testament would come from Yah who says he changes NOT?

WELL ABOUT TIME, LOL

I respect that, but when you do come through and drop your gems it's greatly appericate. I speak for myself but it helps me out a great deal.....i still go through some of your old threads to get some gems to go and research and apply to my studies.

Now i understand why Shaul/Paul went against the most high with circumsion because he was influence by The pagans of the Hellenist, he was one confuse person. One minute he drop gems than the next he's appeasing to the gentiles/heathen

I cant't wait for your thread and the answer to the hanukah question

 

[waterproof]

@Pharisee 6 lies and the devil's dick stay in your mouth, i told your bitch ass about bearing false witness, i already exposed your ass once as a fake hebrew with your devil tongue and lies.

You said i change words in the Book of Hebrews, than back your claim bitch, show the forum where i put in YaHuWaH, bear those fruits. you cant wicked son of the devil, u was dammned since birth, your life was written that you will cause stryfe, so you will reap what sow.

another thing you lying demon you must got the wrong bible, it wasnt meant for you to have the bible with the name of the creator and his son real name, just like your bible dont have the Apocrypha. Like i said you wasnt meant for this.

And you have no understanding of the history of Shaul/Paul you is a lazy bum.

 

[waterproof]

DEVIL YOU CANT RUN FROM YOUR PAST

Some people say that Jesus is not the true name but then its many other names people can't even agree on and they come out with a new one almost every month. I would rather use the name thats already been recorded in the Holy Bible. I don't see any scriptures that told us to look for an alternate name. But the scripture below says that the name of God will be great among the gentiles. The name that the gentiles use is Jesus."

only brought up the name because many people say that we should not use the name Jesus. But I agree that as long as we are referring to the same person then I don't know how it makes a difference. But I would rather use the name recorded in the Holy Bible than to try to research into an alternate name.

Well according to the Bible there is only ONE God who is first and Last. In the Old Testament God says he is the first and last. In the New Testament Jesus says he is the first and last. So wouldnt that mean that Jesus would have to be the same God that spoke in the Old Testament?

Then this niggas changed to this

shalam in order for this scripture below to be true the only way we can tell if someone is serving God is if they are keeping the laws of the Old Testament. According to the New Testament the just shall live by faith... How can we discern who is serving God if anybody can have faith? But we can tell who is serving God if we SEE that they are keeping the laws of the Old Testament.


then the nigga said this

The Old Testament is Hebrew scriptures... THe New Testament is Christian scriptures that the Most High YHWH warned us about in this scripture below. The Old Testament is one book and close to the END of that book God warns us that people will make additional books such as the New Testament. These Hebrew Christians FAIL to see the simple truth in YHWH. Now God YHWH constantly stresses that NOBODY is next to him as well. THey continue to ignore YHWH and believe that Jesus is next to God even tho YHWH says NOBODY is beside himself.

but then again the nigga changed

The New Testament speaks of Liberty in CHrist... CHrist told you to take up his YOKE which is New Testament Commandments NOT Old Testament commandments. You brake the 1ST commandment of the law already so you need to sit down and STUDY you rebellious hard headed fool.

^^^didnt this devil just said earlier that you will know who follows the father by the person who follow the commandments of the old testament, what changed devil

then the nigga said that jesus is YAHUWAH

Funny how waterproof believes that Jesus is not YHWH but he still believes in Jesus and the New Testament although YHWH does not recognize anyone but himself as Creator.

So then since Jesus is not YHWH how do you explain the scripture below of YHWH saying he created the world ALONE and not with Jesus?

THEN THE NIGGA SAID THIS

show me a scripture of YHWH saying his son name is Jesus or Yahoshua?

AFTER HE SAID HE CALLING THE MESSIAH JESUS BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAID SO

PEOPLE THIS PERSON IS THE DEVIL AND A TWO FACE DOUBLE TONGUE SERPENT, WHO CANT KEEP HIS STORY STRAIGHT

 

[waterproof]

^^^^you damn devil because you was meant to have that bible. And again you lying devil show me where i said i believe Half of the new testament, YOU CANT YOU DEVIL.

i said concerning Shaul the letter is his opinions when he go against the laws of YAHUWAH throw them out, and you aint a Hebrew you lying devil because there are many Hebrews that say the same thing.

In matter of fact there's Hebrews in Ethiopia and Hebrews North Africa and some in Isarel, REAL BLACK HEBREW isralites that teaches thee same thing, there even some that dont even have the letters of Shaul in the bible, go ask Judah Xulu is there is any truth to that.

Again devil i dont mess with Hebrew Organizations, your deceitful lying devil your wickedness is showing with that comment.

Hebrew is not a religion or an organzation, it's a heritage.

 

[waterproof]

Didnt judahxulu just state that he was going to do a thread about the history of the New Testament to prove that he believes the whole thing is false?

judahxulu not only does not believe in the writings of Paul he doesnt believe in Christ whether you call him Jesus or Yahshua.

If you say Christ is real then why did you applaud judahxulu when he makes his points about Christ not be real and say you are looking forward to his thread? but yet you say I am a devil for questioning you and showing you simple scripture even kindergardens can understand?

Now lets talk in baby terms without calling each other names.

1. The New Testament teaching is that Christ is Savior of the world and beside the Father.

2. Torah teaching is that NOBODY and neither a Savior is beside the Father.

3. If you believe Christ is not God then how can he be beside the Father & Savior?

When I show you these scriptures in the Torah and New Testament you say I am a devil? confused

My personal belief is that since I dont see YHWH recognizing anyone beside him then the only way the NT could be true is if Christ is God.

LOL you lying devil you spoke for Judahxulu and you put words in his mouth, i think he need to check you for playing your devil games in bringin bearing false witness to his name.

you is a dirty ass devil, you dont know what you speak. He never said he didint believe in the Messiyah, he said that the Messiyah is not YAHUWAH.

THIS DEVIL IS FOOL OF LIES!! BROTHER JUDAHXULU you need to check this agent for bringin lies unto your name

 

[waterproof]

when I said Hebrew organizations I meant groups like GMS, Nathanal 7 and etc etc.

I dont have to prove that I am black. Why do you resort to name calling and saying I am not Hebrew when you know me from 6 years ago on this forum when u were here?

Also I have never heard of any other Hebrew elders teaching that the writings of Paul were false. Paul wrote at least half of the New Testament so thats why I said you dont believe in half of the New Testament.

SHUT YOUR BITCH ASS UP, you will be crushed, name a hebrew elder that you know devil!!! you is the scum of the earth, child of the serpent seed, i do not know you devil, tell me how do i know you, name something that will remind me of you since i know you.

i call you out right here and now, since you claim i know you than name something that proves i know you..........go ahead devil. Shaul wrote 14 letters in the New Testament.

Again your foul mouthed devil like i said in his letters there are some gems and when he go against the most high i throw it out, all Shaul writings is letters his opinions, i never said they was inspired, YOU SAID IT WAS INSPIRED DEVIL!!!

 

[waterproof]

I seen a post where he says that Jesus is Baal and etc so how am I lying?

YO IS THE DEVIL IN THE FLESH, THERE IS NO BETTER LAIR THAN THE DEVIL, i hope brother judahxulu come in put you in your place you slimey slithering serpent.

Jesus is the white person with the long hair, he's an idol a pagan image, he is BAAL you call him lord, in hebrew lord means baal, you is the child of the devil you know how youR father works, Jesus is not THE MESSIYAH YAHUSHUA ben YOUSEF. And you knew what he meant, and if you didnt know then you shouldNT speak for jUDAHXULU.

AGAIN I PROVE YOU IS A LYING DEVIL, SON OF ESAU that play to many games. this page exposed your bitch ass again. IM DONE WITH YOU, YOU CURSED SEED.

thst's right devil go look for that thread and come back and show your face

 

[waterproof]

you need help dude. how has the page exposed me?

if you continue on wit all this hatred, negativity, and false accusing of me as lying and etc then according to scripture you could end up in hell. I am Hebrew so why would I lie. There was a post he said that Jesus was Baal if he only meant the white dude then my apologies.

You need to learn how to have a intelligent convo because if anyone is a devil you sure act like one. You dont know me and all that know me know that I am nothing near a devil. shalam and YHWH bless.

SHUT UP PUNK!!! you is a chump with the hoof's of a goat.. you come in here with you wicked lies as One Spliff say's "YOU BORN WICKED" you bearing false witness, lying on brother Judahxulu twisting lies and all type of treachery.

YOU IS NOT HEBREW but a weak, twisted soul who is cursed with no truth in you.......... you is a lie, a born liar. And my ancestors used to break necks of heathens like you that lie on the Father and Son and spirit and those who bear false witness on people.

 

[waterproof]

DEVIL YOU CANT RUN FROM YOUR PAST

Some people say that Jesus is not the true name but then its many other names people can't even agree on and they come out with a new one almost every month. I would rather use the name thats already been recorded in the Holy Bible. I don't see any scriptures that told us to look for an alternate name. But the scripture below says that the name of God will be great among the gentiles. The name that the gentiles use is Jesus."

only brought up the name because many people say that we should not use the name Jesus. But I agree that as long as we are referring to the same person then I don't know how it makes a difference. But I would rather use the name recorded in the Holy Bible than to try to research into an alternate name.

Well according to the Bible there is only ONE God who is first and Last. In the Old Testament God says he is the first and last. In the New Testament Jesus says he is the first and last. So wouldnt that mean that Jesus would have to be the same God that spoke in the Old Testament?

Then this niggas changed to this

shalam in order for this scripture below to be true the only way we can tell if someone is serving God is if they are keeping the laws of the Old Testament. According to the New Testament the just shall live by faith... How can we discern who is serving God if anybody can have faith? But we can tell who is serving God if we SEE that they are keeping the laws of the Old Testament.


then the nigga said this

The Old Testament is Hebrew scriptures... THe New Testament is Christian scriptures that the Most High YHWH warned us about in this scripture below. The Old Testament is one book and close to the END of that book God warns us that people will make additional books such as the New Testament. These Hebrew Christians FAIL to see the simple truth in YHWH. Now God YHWH constantly stresses that NOBODY is next to him as well. THey continue to ignore YHWH and believe that Jesus is next to God even tho YHWH says NOBODY is beside himself.

but then again the nigga changed

The New Testament speaks of Liberty in CHrist... CHrist told you to take up his YOKE which is New Testament Commandments NOT Old Testament commandments. You brake the 1ST commandment of the law already so you need to sit down and STUDY you rebellious hard headed fool.

^^^didnt this devil just said earlier that you will know who follows the father by the person who follow the commandments of the old testament, what changed devil

then the nigga said that jesus is YAHUWAH

Funny how waterproof believes that Jesus is not YHWH but he still believes in Jesus and the New Testament although YHWH does not recognize anyone but himself as Creator.

So then since Jesus is not YHWH how do you explain the scripture below of YHWH saying he created the world ALONE and not with Jesus?

THEN THE NIGGA SAID THIS

show me a scripture of YHWH saying his son name is Jesus or Yahoshua?

AFTER HE SAID HE CALLING THE MESSIAH JESUS BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAID SO

PEOPLE THIS PERSON IS THE DEVIL AND A TWO FACE DOUBLE TONGUE SERPENT, WHO CANT KEEP HIS STORY STRAIGHT

BEWARE OF THE PHARISEE'S FOR THEY SIT in THE SEAT OF MOSES, watch out for the serpent and scorpion

 

[waterproof]

waterproof this is the portion of hebrews where you inserted the name yhwh... So how do you claim i am lying when its right here in your face?

You have also inserted the name yhwh in the book of revelations when it is not in the kjv or in any bible i have seen thus far. What translation are you reading? And if you are reading a translation what original manuscripts show the name yhwh.

This was meant to be an intelligent conversation between the three of us but if you cannot answer questions intelligently and instead resort to name calling then you have issues.

I have heard of many israelites that only believe the torah. But this is the first time i have seen a hebrew believe the torah and only half the new testament.

What other hebrew organizations teach this madness?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^beware of the pharisee

^^^^you damn devil because you was meant to have that bible. And again you lying devil show me where i said i believe half of the new testament, you cant you devil.

I said concerning shaul the letter is his opinions when he go against the laws of yahuwah throw them out, and you aint a hebrew you lying devil because there are many hebrews that say the same thing.

In matter of fact there's hebrews in ethiopia and hebrews north africa and some in isarel, real black hebrew isralites that teaches thee same thing, there even some that dont even have the letters of shaul in the bible, go ask judah xulu is there is any truth to that.

Again devil i dont mess with hebrew organizations, your deceitful lying devil your wickedness is showing with that comment.

Hebrew is not a religion or an organzation, it's a heritage.

 

[waterproof]

Didnt judahxulu just state that he was going to do a thread about the history of the New Testament to prove that he believes the whole thing is false?

judahxulu not only does not believe in the writings of Paul he doesnt believe in Christ whether you call him Jesus or Yahshua.

If you say Christ is real then why did you applaud judahxulu when he makes his points about Christ not be real and say you are looking forward to his thread? but yet you say I am a devil for questioning you and showing you simple scripture even kindergardens can understand?

Now lets talk in baby terms without calling each other names.

1. The New Testament teaching is that Christ is Savior of the world and beside the Father.

2. Torah teaching is that NOBODY and neither a Savior is beside the Father.

3. If you believe Christ is not God then how can he be beside the Father & Savior?

When I show you these scriptures in the Torah and New Testament you say I am a devil? confused

My personal belief is that since I dont see YHWH recognizing anyone beside him then the only way the NT could be true is if Christ is God.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^beware of the pharisee's for they speak lies and put words into the mouth of people and lie on their name

LOL you lying devil you spoke for Judahxulu and you put words in his mouth, i think he need to check you for playing your devil games in bringin bearing false witness to his name.

you is a dirty ass devil, you dont know what you speak. He never said he didint believe in the Messiyah, he said that the Messiyah is not YAHUWAH.

THIS DEVIL IS FOOL OF LIES!! BROTHER JUDAHXULU you need to check this agent for bringin lies unto your name

 

[waterproof]

I have heard of many Israelites that only believe the Torah. But this is the first time I have seen a Hebrew believe the Torah and only half the New Testament.

What other Hebrew organizations teach this madness?

LOOK AT THIS DEVIL^^^^^^^^ Our Ancestors (not including pharisee6 because he not hebrew) only knew of the Torah, and when the gospel of the apostles came, they went over it carefully, but when the letter of shaul came out they wanted nothing to do with it because he went against the MOST HIGH in some of his letters

THIS DEVIL IS NOT HEBREW, lol HE JUST ASKED WHAT OTHER HEBREW ORGANIZATION TEACH THAT, LOL.................If yall cant see the fake in this weird lying devil.

Hebrew Organization, this devil is not hebrew

 

[waterproof]

judahxulu when you stated that Jesus was Baal. If you were only referring to the white depiction of Christ and not the character of the New Testament then my apologies fam. I didnt know that you were only referring to the white image. I tried to have a humble intelligent convo with the 3 of us but if waterproof wants to call names and etc etc then thats on him.

I never ever had someone to sit up and call me a devil based on scripture that should have easy questions to. Also I dont know how anyone can say some of what Paul writes is true but the other portion if false. In my terms thats making the word of God confusion. Thats why I stated I see the truth in Torah but my belief in the New Testament is based upon Christ being God since the Most High doesnt recognize someone beside himself.

other than that shalam and YHWH bless.

Shut up devil, you stay with lies in your mouth....i dont believe your plea coppin, you cant understand or seperate the false from the truth in shaul writings because it wasnt meant for you, look all your lies u spew and treachery and bearing false witness that you done.

And of course Shaul cause confusion didnt one of the apostles said that about Shaul writings, if you knew scripture who would of know when shaul is speaking some truth and when he lie.

I call you a devil because THE DEVIL is the father of lies, and all you done since you came here was lying, bearing false witness, and causing confusion. so you is a devil thats what the devil do.

you go around and erase your posts to hide your lies and ask for your threads to be closed. DEVIL PLEASE miss me with your bullshit.

with your fake ass apology, you really think people is stupid that they dont see your lies and bullshit, some brothers dont address you directly because you is the devil.

this devil came to this forum with one mission, to start trouble and push your doctrine of christianity on the hebrews and at the same time confusing people like you hebrew with your username, leading yahuwah sheep astray

when i called you out on your bullshit as other hebrew brothers that you speak the christian doctrine, your ass ran over youtube and studied those that got the most hits and all of sudden WEEKS LATER GMS and Nathanial came out your mouth.

this devil knew nothing about the pharisee's and scribe until i mention and then weeks later he start using it.

then this devil said i dont know a Hebrew Orgainzation that teaches that, really?? is you that stupid, lol. the devil thought i was going to be well blah blah blah........devil your traps dont work.

 

[waterproof]

judahxulu when you stated that Jesus was Baal. If you were only referring to the white depiction of Christ and not the character of the New Testament then my apologies fam. I didnt know that you were only referring to the white image. I tried to have a humble intelligent convo with the 3 of us but if waterproof wants to call names and etc etc then thats on him.

I never ever had someone to sit up and call me a devil based on scripture that should have easy questions to. Also I dont know how anyone can say some of what Paul writes is true but the other portion if false. In my terms thats making the word of God confusion. Thats why I stated I see the truth in Torah but my belief in the New Testament is based upon Christ being God since the Most High doesnt recognize someone beside himself.

other than that shalam and YHWH bless.

wow, just WOW... DEVIL, YOU IS BORN WICKED and I REBUKE YOU! THE MESSIYAH, THE LAMB, THE SON OF THE ELOHIM YAHUWAH is a Character now.

DEVIL YOU HAVE NO TRUTH IN YOU, THAT'S WHY YOU TRUE COLORS SHOW. THE MESSIYAH IS A LIVING PERSON not a Character you devil, what Hebrew would speak like this.

im going to keep exposing you, you devil

 

[judahxulu]

judahxulu when you stated that Jesus was Baal. If you were only referring to the white depiction of Christ and not the character of the New Testament then my apologies fam. I didnt know that you were only referring to the white image. I tried to have a humble intelligent convo with the 3 of us but if waterproof wants to call names and etc etc then thats on him.

I never ever had someone to sit up and call me a devil based on scripture that should have easy questions to. Also I dont know how anyone can say some of what Paul writes is true but the other portion if false. In my terms thats making the word of God confusion. Thats why I stated I see the truth in Torah but my belief in the New Testament is based upon Christ being God since the Most High doesnt recognize someone beside himself.

other than that shalam and YHWH bless.

i MEAN ITS JUST A BUNCH OF TANGLED PREMISES HERE. i'M NOT TALKING "WHITE" OR "BLACK' FIRST OFF IN RELATION TO JESUS/IEUSOS. FIRST OF ALL YALL BOTH NEED TO OVERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BEYOND SKIN COLOR OR LANGUAGE/TRANSLITERATION BETWEEN CHRISTOS AND MASHEAHK (MESSIAH) AND BETWEEN JESUS AND YESHUA. THERE ARE DIFFERENT CULTURAL CONTEXTS BETWEEN CHRISTOS AND MASHEAHK. MASHEAHK IS NOT A PROPER NAME AS IT IS A JOB DESCRIPTION. IT SIMPLY MEANS "ANOINTED". ALL THROUGH THE TANACH WE SEE PROPHETS, PRIEST AND KINGS BEING REFERRED TO AS "THE LORD'S(YHWH'S) ANOINTED". WHY THEN WAS THE WORD CHRISTOS/CHRIST USED TO SUPPLANT MASHEAHK IN THE SO-CALLED NEW TESTAMENT? WHY WAS THE LANGUAGE NOT CONSISTENT I.E. JOSHUA THE MESSIAH OR DAVID CHRIST? THE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTANDING THIS IS UNDERSTANDING THE CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THE MESSIANIC EXPECTATION AT THAT TIME HAD NATIONALISTIC COLOR TO IT. IT WAS ABOUT SOMETHING TO BE EXPERIENCED IN WAKING LIFE. IT WAS/IS A HELLENISTIC DOCTRINE THAT TURNED THE HEBREW CONCEPT OF SALVATION y'shua/yasha WHICH MEANS DELIVERANCE, PROSPERITY ,LIBERATION TO THE KOINE GREEK soteria WHICH DEALT WITH FUTRE BLESSINGS TO BE HAD IN ANOTHER REALM OF EXISTENCE AFTER DEATH. THIS WAS TRICKNOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN USED SINCE TO KEEP YAH'S PEOPLE IN CAPTIVITY. THE ROMANS COULDN'T HANDLE THE RIOTS AND UNREST DURING AND AFTER YESHUA'S APPEARANCE ANY OTHER WAY BUT TO ALTER THE DRIVING FORCE OF THE WAR THE ISRAELITES WAGED---THE PROPHECIES AND THE MESSIANIC EXPECTATION. THIS IS WHERE THE ORIGINAL EDOMITE CAME INTO PLAY- AND THEY WASNT WHITE. THESE EDOMITES OR IDUMEANS WERE THE ONES WHO OVERSAW THE ALTERING OF OUR SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS AND LET THE ROMANS KNOW WHAT MADE US TICK BY TRANSLATING THE TANACH INTO KOINE GREEK SO THEY COULD SOMEWHAT GRASP IT. THIS IS JUST FOR STARTER. MORE LATER WHEN I HAVE TIME.....

BUT BASICALLY BOTH OF YALL ARE RIGHT AND WRONG. YOU GOTTA THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

OH AND IM NOT TORAH ONLY. THE TANACH IS COMPOSED OF TORAH, NIVIEEM (PROPHECIES) AND KITOOVEEM (WRITINGS/HISTORY/PSALMS/PROVERBS ETC). I ALSO READ THE BOOK OF YASHIR (JASHER) AND I SOMETIMES SCAN APOCRYPHA ALHOUGH I TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. I HAVE STUDIED THE NEW TESTAMENT BUT ID DO NOT PUT IT ON PAR WITH THE SO-CALLED OLD TESTAMENT FOR MANY REASONS, THE MAIN ONES BEING THAT THE GOSPELS WERE NOT WRITTEN UNTIL AT LEAST A GOOD FORTY YEARS AFTER THE CRUCIFIXION WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE AND THAT ACTS WERE WRITTEN BEFORE THAT MEANING THAT PAUL'S DOCTRINE SHAPED THE WORDS ATTRIBUTED TO YESHUA AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

 

[waterproof]

i MEAN ITS JUST A BUNCH OF TANGLED PREMISES HERE. i'M NOT TALKING "WHITE" OR "BLACK' FIRST OFF IN RELATION TO JESUS/IEUSOS. FIRST OF ALL YALL BOTH NEED TO OVERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BEYOND SKIN COLOR OR LANGUAGE/TRANSLITERATION BETWEEN CHRISTOS AND MASHEAHK (MESSIAH) AND BETWEEN JESUS AND YESHUA. THERE ARE DIFFERENT CULTURAL CONTEXTS BETWEEN CHRISTOS AND MASHEAHK. MASHEAHK IS NOT A PROPER NAME AS IT IS A JOB DESCRIPTION. IT SIMPLY MEANS "ANOINTED". ALL THROUGH THE TANACH WE SEE PROPHETS, PRIEST AND KINGS BEING REFERRED TO AS "THE LORD'S(YHWH'S) ANOINTED". WHY THEN WAS THE WORD CHRISTOS/CHRIST USED TO SUPPLANT MASHEAHK IN THE SO-CALLED NEW TESTAMENT? WHY WAS THE LANGUAGE NOT CONSISTENT I.E. JOSHUA THE MESSIAH OR DAVID CHRIST? THE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTANDING THIS IS UNDERSTANDING THE CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THE MESSIANIC EXPECTATION AT THAT TIME HAD NATIONALISTIC COLOR TO IT. IT WAS ABOUT SOMETHING TO BE EXPERIENCED IN WAKING LIFE. IT WAS/IS A HELLENISTIC DOCTRINE THAT TURNED THE HEBREW CONCEPT OF SALVATION y'shua/yasha WHICH MEANS DELIVERANCE, PROSPERITY ,LIBERATION TO THE KOINE GREEK soteria WHICH DEALT WITH FUTRE BLESSINGS TO BE HAD IN ANOTHER REALM OF EXISTENCE AFTER DEATH. THIS WAS TRICKNOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN USED SINCE TO KEEP YAH'S PEOPLE IN CAPTIVITY. THE ROMANS COULDN'T HANDLE THE RIOTS AND UNREST DURING AND AFTER YESHUA'S APPEARANCE ANY OTHER WAY BUT TO ALTER THE DRIVING FORCE OF THE WAR THE ISRAELITES WAGED---THE PROPHECIES AND THE MESSIANIC EXPECTATION. THIS IS WHERE THE ORIGINAL EDOMITE CAME INTO PLAY- AND THEY WASNT WHITE. THESE EDOMITES OR IDUMEANS WERE THE ONES WHO OVERSAW THE ALTERING OF OUR SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS AND LET THE ROMANS KNOW WHAT MADE US TICK BY TRANSLATING THE TANACH INTO KOINE GREEK SO THEY COULD SOMEWHAT GRASP IT. THIS IS JUST FOR STARTER. MORE LATER WHEN I HAVE TIME.....

BUT BASICALLY BOTH OF YALL ARE RIGHT AND WRONG. YOU GOTTA THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

OH AND IM NOT TORAH ONLY. THE TANACH IS COMPOSED OF TORAH, NIVIEEM (PROPHECIES) AND KITOOVEEM (WRITINGS/HISTORY/PSALMS/PROVERBS ETC). I ALSO READ THE BOOK OF YASHIR (JASHER) AND I SOMETIMES SCAN APOCRYPHA ALHOUGH I TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. I HAVE STUDIED THE NEW TESTAMENT BUT ID DO NOT PUT IT ON PAR WITH THE SO-CALLED OLD TESTAMENT FOR MANY REASONS, THE MAIN ONES BEING THAT THE GOSPELS WERE NOT WRITTEN UNTIL AT LEAST A GOOD FORTY YEARS AFTER THE CRUCIFIXION WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE AND THAT ACTS WERE WRITTEN BEFORE THAT MEANING THAT PAUL'S DOCTRINE SHAPED THE WORDS ATTRIBUTED TO YESHUA AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Shalom, you touch on alot of things, it's funny because of the last few weeks i've been studying on the Idumeans, and correct me if im wrong, some edomites mixed with the cannanites and basically learned and copied the Hebrew brothers. Is this what the 1st chronicles 2:55 speak of.

And is one of the reasons that our Ancestors was rioting when Yahushua was walking the earth is because they knew the messiyah came back to claim our heritage and to defeat the lies of the Scribes and Pharisee's who try to bring us the talmud, and those who sit in Moses seat are still sitting there today

And i know some people do understand the spirtual side of the torah, but the original edomite is the descendants of Cain who is of the serpent seed, desendants breed with amalek and the gentiles aka the children of Esau

if there's any corrections need to be made from my understanding please correct them.

and is that why the Messiyah said to beware of the serpents and the scorpions and give those parables

and thanks for the understanding, will be waiting for your continuation

 

[One Spliff]

i I ALSO READ THE BOOK OF YASHIR (JASHER).

wow...

u realise that book is totally fabricated, right ?

it cuts off after 91 chapters lol...

in samuel david mentioned a song he wrote for saul and johnathan that was put in the book of jasher, how come its not in there ?

 

[judahxulu]

wow...

U realise that book is totally fabricated, right ?

It cuts off after 91 chapters lol...

In samuel david mentioned a song he wrote for saul and johnathan that was put in the book of jasher, how come its not in there ?

whichh version are u talking about/ u know theres at least six right?

 

[One Spliff]

whichh version are u talking about/ u know theres at least six right?

yea thats another thing i noticed...

i read the main version that goes up to 91 cahpters up to the time of joshua, it does'nt even cover the time of king david.

its the same version that claims esau had a fight with nimrod, which is why he was faint and sold his birthright, lol.

im not familiar with any other verions, which one were u referring to ?

 

[judahxulu]

yea thats another thing i noticed...

i read the main version that goes up to 91 cahpters up to the time of joshua, it does'nt even cover the time of king david.

its the same version that claims esau had a fight with nimrod, which is why he was faint and sold his birthright, lol.

im not familiar with any other verions, which one were u referring to ?

tHERES ONE THATS SUPPOSED TO BE TRANSLATED BY SEYMOUR COHEN. THEN THERE ARE OBSCURE ONES WRITTEN BY SOME RABBIS BETWEEN THE 12TH AND 14TH CENTURIES. THESE WERE MORE LIKE MIDRASH- ETHICAL TEACHINGS. THEN YOU HAVE THE PROVEN FRAUDULENT VERSION PUBLISHED BY THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER. THIS IS THE ONE I THINK YOURE REFERRING TO.