Has organized religion held human advancement back?

[janklow]

73% though? Humanity has spoken.

means nothing. "73% of people agree that religion has held human advancement back" doesn't mean the arguing is being supported, it means people agree with the poll question.

people in the thread are making pro/con arguments, i think that's the real topic, basically. poll is perhaps representative of opinion but doesn't really make an argument.

 

[And_So_It_Burns]

Religion in it's self, is divisive and has destroyed the potential diplomatic relationships between many countries ending what could have been harmonious relationships through its holy wars, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, Muslim vs Muslim. The problem with religion, especially ones who "speak" the revealed word of God is the claim to speak for God. I think religion will continue to hold us back as a species for centuries to come, sadly.

 

[The_Jackal]

Religion in it's self, is divisive and has destroyed the potential diplomatic relationships between many countries ending what could have been harmonious relationships through its holy wars, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, Muslim vs Muslim. The problem with religion, especially ones who "speak" the revealed word of God is the claim to speak for God. I think religion will continue to hold us back as a species for centuries to come, sadly.

Didn't see your post but I got you

Ok so if countries were primarily religious and that's was almost as important as national identity even more so in some areas od the world (ME) then its only natural to be in conflict with each other views. Of course again that's a huge assumption that the religion has caused the fall in relationship and not the actual politics with an example being 1st crusade something that's looked at as a religious fervor when it was more so politically motivated.

 

[And_So_It_Burns]

Religion in it's self, is divisive and has destroyed the potential diplomatic relationships between many countries ending what could have been harmonious relationships through its holy wars, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, Muslim vs Muslim. The problem with religion, especially ones who "speak" the revealed word of God is the claim to speak for God. I think religion will continue to hold us back as a species for centuries to come, sadly.

Didn't see your post but I got you

Ok so if countries were primarily religious and that's was almost as important as national identity even more so in some areas od the world (ME) then its only natural to be in conflict with each other views. Of course again that's a huge assumption that the religion has caused the fall in relationship and not the actual politics with an example being 1st crusade something that's looked at as a religious fervor when it was more so politically motivated.

I think it's naive to imply these divides were caused by nationalism and not religious differences. Just look at the sectarian war in the Muslim world. The other side is label as heretics, this of course can be demonstrated between the alliances of Sunni countries and their united opposition to the Shiites, so no it's not nationalism/political that's growing this divide. I think, yes it will eventually grow into a political issue but that's secondary to the true core of the divide.

I don't think an argument could be articulated for the Christian persecution of Jews other than for purely theological reasons.

 

[The_Jackal]

Religion in it's self, is divisive and has destroyed the potential diplomatic relationships between many countries ending what could have been harmonious relationships through its holy wars, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, Muslim vs Muslim. The problem with religion, especially ones who "speak" the revealed word of God is the claim to speak for God. I think religion will continue to hold us back as a species for centuries to come, sadly.

Didn't see your post but I got you

Ok so if countries were primarily religious and that's was almost as important as national identity even more so in some areas od the world (ME) then its only natural to be in conflict with each other views. Of course again that's a huge assumption that the religion has caused the fall in relationship and not the actual politics with an example being 1st crusade something that's looked at as a religious fervor when it was more so politically motivated.

I think it's naive to imply these divides were caused by nationalism and not religious differences. Just look at the sectarian war in the Muslim world. The other side is label as heretics, this of course can be demonstrated between the alliances of Sunni countries and their united opposition to the Shiites, so no it's not nationalism/political that's growing this divide. I think, yes it will eventually grow into a political issue but that's secondary to the true core of the divide.

I don't think an argument could be articulated for the Christian persecution of Jews other than for purely theological reasons.

Its not naive at all if we have countless examples to show of it throughout history though I didn't deny that their have been religious wars. I bet that I could find more wars that started as a poltical issues that was subverted into a religious issues because it was easier to justify yourself that way.

And I've been saying throughout this thread that there truly have been horrible things done in the name of religion but how does it correlate to stopping human advancement especially in science and mathematics. All blaze and baron have done this whole thread is use bad "sources" generalization and put for hypothesis if what they said could even be called that. I mean just go back the last page and see the bullshit they talking about as far as philosophers go

 

[JokerzWyld]

Intriguing thread. The answer is yes. It's not debatable. In some instances economics has held back human advancement as well.

 

[zzombie]

Intriguing thread. The answer is yes. It's not debatable. In some instances economics has held back human advancement as well.

It's not debatable ???? Why because you said so??? Foh.

 

[The_Jackal]

Ok oh wise and knowledge person explain how. Niggas been trying to for the whole thread and been getting shut the fuck down. Throwing out generalization and hypothetical situations

 

[Ajackson17]

It has been detrimental to the whole world which I only include myself and this Catholic priest trying to attack my butt, but I swiftly defeated him and wasted 20 seconds of my life. lol

 

[JokerzWyld]

Intriguing thread. The answer is yes. It's not debatable. In some instances economics has held back human advancement as well.

It's not debatable ???? Why because you said so??? Foh.

Neil deGrasse Tyson broke down religion's effect on the stifling of science and thought. In fact, he routinely discusses this issue from the the perspective that our faith stymies our curiosity, sometimes for centuries.

 

[The_Jackal]

Intriguing thread. The answer is yes. It's not debatable. In some instances economics has held back human advancement as well.

It's not debatable ???? Why because you said so??? Foh.

Neil deGrasse Tyson broke down religion's effect on the stifling of science and thought. In fact, he routinely discusses this issue from the the perspective that our faith stymies our curiosity, sometimes for centuries.

Only watched the first 10 mintues. Even from then it doesn't support your view point at all. He is critical on intelligent design being taught, speaks on Galileo (who was still able to freely publish his thoughts under house arrest) and completly praises Newton ( who we already been through in this thread as being one of the biggest christians out there.) Now how exactly in history has religion had any major effect that it could be said that it held back human advancement particular in the area of science?

 

[zzombie]

Intriguing thread. The answer is yes. It's not debatable. In some instances economics has held back human advancement as well.

It's not debatable ???? Why because you said so??? Foh.

Neil deGrasse Tyson broke down religion's effect on the stifling of science and thought. In fact, he routinely discusses this issue from the the perspective that our faith stymies our curiosity, sometimes for centuries.

My friend that VIDEO does not prove anything that video is about intelligent design not the effects religion has had on holding back human advancement.

 

[JokerzWyld]

Neither of you watched the video.

 

[The_Jackal]

Neither of you watched the video.

I just stated I only watched the first ten mintues. If there is a certain part where he specifically states it then by all means point it out. Because he definitely did not during the first 10

 

[zzombie]

Neither of you watched the video.

Nigga it's 40 minutes do we really need to watch that who shit just to get to the heart of what he said

 

[JokerzWyld]

You can read a 1000+ bible but can't watch a forty minute video about a cursory history of religions effects on science?

Irrelevant. I question the motives of both your posts; I know that those who have already professed to be religious would indubitably have a bias on this subject.

I've contributed to this thread enough. Don't quote me anymore.

 

[The_Jackal]

You can read a 1000+ bible but can't watch a forty minute video about a cursory history of religions effects on science?

Irrelevant. I question the motives of both your posts; I know that those who have already professed to be religious would indubitably have a bias on this subject.

I've contributed to this thread enough. Don't quote me anymore.

Cool take the high road and look down on us dumb religious folk. You contributed nothing at all to the thread regardless. If you had something to say the say it. Before religion I ultimately consider myself a student of history and philosophy and dare say I have more knowledgeable in both of those subjects then you.

 

[zzombie]

You can read a 1000+ bible but can't watch a forty minute video about a cursory history of religions effects on science?

Irrelevant. I question the motives of both your posts; I know that those who have already professed to be religious would indubitably have a bias on this subject.

I've contributed to this thread enough. Don't quote me anymore.

Nigga it's 10:30 in nyc i am not watching 40 min of that video fuck that sum that shit up.

 

[The_Jackal]

The ultimately irony of the post is that everyone who supports your viewpoint and will cosign it won't even watch the video at all where I actually watched part of it and could tell it wasn't going any where.

 

[Ajackson17]

@pico needs her own religion LAAAAWDDD HAM MURCY ON MY SOUL LIGHT SKIN GODDESSS MMMMMMMMMM