Grant Hill’s Response to Jalen Rose

[VulcanRaven]

THank you, they were speaking their point of view as kids man. I thought it was clear when he was speaking, and if you didnt get his point you fuckin dumb. Real talk, at that time he was sayin some real shit, alot of ppl from where im from felt the same way. You didnt see "Regular" black dudes at duke back then. you had to turn on Gtown, UNLV of UM, thats why they had such hughe followings back then from black america because they spoke to us. Duke and the brothas they had on their predominantly white teams just didnt speak to everyday blacks at the time, Grant Hill got his panties in a bunch over jalen speakin what was real at the time. he didnt know that ppl felt like that because he was livin what most of us werent at the time, and thats not a bad thing.

And there lies the problem,Rose at the time and the average black person as you pointed out about where you are from are ignorant to the fact that being hood and poor does not = black.It's a flaw in that type of mentality that makes blacks self destructive.I am far different than the average Duke player and I share the same background as Rose and used to thin the same thing,but I realize that I was ignorant and I will not defend the adolescent mind set just because it is the norm and it is wrong simple and plain.

 

[VulcanRaven]

he readily admitted that in the documentary...people just seem to ignore the fact that he's clearly able to better state how he felt at 18 now because he's 38

I respect him for that and I am not bashing him,but people int his thread are saying he was right when he was not.i can relate to him more than Hill,but that way of thinking that the average black person has is flawed and that's a fact.

 

[ghost!]

I respect him for that and I am not bashing him,but people int his thread are saying he was right when he was not.i can relate to him more than Hill,but that way of thinking that the average black person has is flawed and that's a fact.

gotta cosign....

 

[mindright]

Grant Hill= a hoe

Jalen was just stating how he felt at that young age. Grant Hill already knew how folks felt about Duke and it was rather bitch of him to respond to a documentary that wasn't about him. It was about the Fab Five, not Duke. I mean, Props to Jalen for not backing down from how he felt back then, he stated he felt like that before he stepped on the floor with them back when he was a teenager and his opinion changed after he played against them. I mean these dudes were dealing with racism I'm sure Grant Hill never even had to deal with.. I like Grant Hill and all, but he's a ho for responding to a documentary. He should've reached out to Jalen himself instead of making it all about him with his response.

It was a class issue, not a race issue Grant. Being from a privileged background and all, I'm sure you can never relate to where Jalen was coming from. Jalen had teenage angst and he had a reason to be angry, but he overcame and he pointed out his thought process when he was younger. He doesn't feel that way now since he's older but when your that age, you view things so differently. I'm not saying he was right for his assumptions, but he has a right to feel the way he felt.

 

[blackrain]

And there lies the problem,Rose at the time and the average black person as you pointed out about where you are from are ignorant to the fact that being hood and poor does not = black.It's a flaw in that type of mentality that makes blacks self destructive.I am far different than the average Duke player and I share the same background as Rose and used to thin the same thing,but I realize that I was ignorant and I will not defend the adolescent mind set just because it is the norm and it is wrong simple and plain.

that's a common sentiment among ALOT of blacks...that the true "essence of blackness" lies withing the working/lower class people...it's something that's been around and still continues to exist...

 

[blackrain]

It's called striving to be man..just cuz you blk dont mean you gotta think your against the world..there's nigs in the ghetto trying to come out the ghetto...

it's not white to be educated and doing well for yourself...it's a goal for all man

I watch the cosby show and never paid attention to their jobs on the show, just thought the ish was funny.

no it's not and I agree that it's wrong to criticize someone for getting an education but I also know enough to know that most people criticizing that don't realize what they're actually criticizing and mad at until much later like Jalen Rose did...those people aren't criticizing the education and success of another black person, they're criticizing the path they are perceived to have taken to reach such success...I think if more people realized that aspect of it what Jalen Rose is/had been saying would be alot more clear...and if you saw the documentary and saw some of those letters being written about 18 YEAR OLD KIDS then you'd see it pretty much was them against the world...the Fab 5 represented all that was wrong with basketball to some people and they came down on a group of teens because of that...you group together 5 17,18 year old kids and put them in a situation where they face constant criticism...of course they're gonna get defensive

 

[bigrizz]

Grant Hill= a hoe

Jalen was just stating how he felt at that young age. Grant Hill already knew how folks felt about Duke and it was rather bitch of him to respond to a documentary that wasn't about him. It was about the Fab Five, not Duke. I mean, Props to Jalen for not backing down from how he felt back then, he stated he felt like that before he stepped on the floor with them back when he was a teenager and his opinion changed after he played against them. I mean these dudes were dealing with racism I'm sure Grant Hill never even had to deal with.. I like Grant Hill and all, but he's a ho for responding to a documentary. He should've reached out to Jalen himself instead of making it all about him with his response.

It was a class issue, not a race issue Grant. Being from a privileged background and all, I'm sure you can never relate to where Jalen was coming from. Jalen had teenage angst and he had a reason to be angry, but he overcame and he pointed out his thought process when he was younger. He doesn't feel that way now since he's older but when your that age, you view things so differently. I'm not saying he was right for his assumptions, but he has a right to feel the way he felt.

I thought he responded to being called an uncle tom, not the documentary itself....That shit is wrong, bottom line. And Jalen should get smacked in the fucking face
And the fab 5 never won shit. So jalen should shut his fucking mouth.

Might as well be a jets fan, doing all that talking and never won shit since 68 wtf is that?

 

[NCswag]

Grant Hill did the right thing. Jalen was wrong for that shit; who gives a fuck if he was 18 when he thought about it; he was damn near 40 still spewing that ignorant shit.

 

[blackrain]

anybody questioning if Jalen Rose was re-stating his viewpoint at 18 as the same now that he's 38 has serious comprehension issues...

 

[ibedamned]

And there lies the problem,Rose at the time and the average black person as you pointed out about where you are from are ignorant to the fact that being hood and poor does not = black.It's a flaw in that type of mentality that makes blacks self destructive.I am far different than the average Duke player and I share the same background as Rose and used to thin the same thing,but I realize that I was ignorant and I will not defend the adolescent mind set just because it is the norm and it is wrong simple and plain.

Dude, take that self righteous bullshit somewhere else. You my friend are a bigger problem and, you dont even know where im from but you just labeled everyone where im from ignorant because we related to fab 5 over duke. that dont mean niggas was advocating bussin guns its just what we related to. I, as well as 2 of my bros posess degrees along with other "ignorant" family members, so miss me with that judgemental psudeo intellectual bullshit. The point is at that point in history the Fab 5 represented a bigger portion of the black community, does that make that whole portion ignorant? See, your type of thininkin, if thats what you wanna call it is worse than anything jalen said because, he was speaking on how he felt as a kid, you're saying this type of dumb shit as an adult. Lastly, dude was speaking how he felt as a kid, thats not defending anything, thats simply placing context on the statement. You as a "non ignorant" poster should get that.

 

[ibedamned]

I respect him for that and I am not bashing him,but people int his thread are saying he was right when he was not.i can relate to him more than Hill,but that way of thinking that the average black person has is flawed and that's a fact.

and its hard to take your points on black america serious with that sig you got

 

[nycest_1]

speak for yourself...

basketball is entertainment. Period! We don't watch basketball to see how mannered or how much etiquette, a player can display.

Basketball is not affirmative action for ensuring that under-performing, Caucasoid-softish, upstanding, citizens get a shot to play hi-exposure basketball. That's why Duke's player-success, seldom transfers over, to the professional courts.

i agree that duke makes shitty pros, but we are talking about the college level.
and the truth is when it comes to the college level they were correct.
and worse than being correct about their choice, was the fact that they proved they were correct by beating the same dudes who claim to be snubbed

so in your argument if we are judging by pure basketball play, then on the college level duke was right

 

[Trollio]

c webber still a bitch

 

[allreasoned_out]

the term "uncle tom" refers to blacks who are subservient to white people...

Duke has a rep of recruiting safe, nonthreatening brothers...

if you know this and still choose their program, is it not inbounds to suggest that you have a little "yessah" in your blood?

BTW i dont think Grant is a "Tom"...

and being from a stable family is not what being a "tom" is about...

lets stop acting like we dont know what is meant by "uncle tom"...

it has nothing to do with being successful, it is about being corny, fake, and soft in terms of how you deal with white ppl...

No, it's not. That's a groundless inference.

 

[blackrain]

Chris broussard dropped some heat on that grant hill/jalen rose deal earlier I was impressed

Black people til this day still dont know what it means to be black its either embrace poverty,hustlin,struggle,jail,and all the ignorance that plagues us or you a sellout/uncle tom/uppity nigga if u dont or try to do better

If u aint black you have zero say so on the subject

i agree...which is why i'm speaking on it...that and i've read enough from people who've written articles and books and seen enough documentaries on this very topic to know what i'm talking about

 

[young chad]

I mean all jokes aside...how Jalen worded it was all wrong, but I'm sure that's NOT the first time Grant Hill heard that. I remember when I used to party at Duke/Carolina...and then Duke made this rule that you had to have a college id (which obviously I did)..and they said that no HBCU idea qualified for their parties...WTF?

 

[Kame]

hey mods approve my posts/thread please

 

[young chad]

Uncle Tom was the the wrong words, AND there shouldn't be any shit talking towards the players that play there...especially if your grievance is that they had a good life?! It's funny because we as black people try SO hard to get rich so we can live that life we see others living, but the moment we run across some people that are already living it, we quick to call them every negative black name in the book..

So I guess Jalen Rose's kids are uncle tom's cuz I KNOW he aint got them living in the hood doing bad..

 

[allreasoned_out]

I'm not saying its true...
I'm saying that it raises eye brows...
if you participate in an organization that is perceived to shy away from "certain" types, how is that not questionable?

It depends on the "types". So what exactly do you mean by "safe, nonthreatening brothers"?

 

[ghost!]

no it's not and I agree that it's wrong to criticize someone for getting an education but I also know enough to know that most people criticizing that don't realize what they're actually criticizing and mad at until much later like Jalen Rose did...those people aren't criticizing the education and success of another black person, they're criticizing the path they are perceived to have taken to reach such success...I think if more people realized that aspect of it what Jalen Rose is/had been saying would be alot more clear...and if you saw the documentary and saw some of those letters being written about 18 YEAR OLD KIDS then you'd see it pretty much was them against the world...the Fab 5 represented all that was wrong with basketball to some people and they came down on a group of teens because of that...you group together 5 17,18 year old kids and put them in a situation where they face constant criticism...of course they're gonna get defensive

I'm black, i understood and have stated i understood what jalen was saying and the age he said it at..bottom line it was still ignorant..whether your 18 or 38...it's an ignorant comment and doesnt just plague blacks but ignorances plagues our youth..that's my point...

and i seen the documentary, not hating on dude but like i said..I'm being real too by saying it was ignorant..i'm not given katz a past cuz he had a rough up bring..he was still playing ball for michigan and the last time i check'd that is a top division one school..it wasnt like the Fab Five was from an all black college...sorry no pass.....and i again i get where they were coming from.