Geraldo Rivera: Hip-Hop’s Done ‘More Damage’ to Minorities Than Racism in the Last Decade..

[JDSTAYWITIT]

what y'all saying doesn't match reality...

what has gotten worse for blacks in the last 10 years that can be attributed to hip hop?

simple question... do your googles...

it's not just the acts of violence or lack of education...

it's the living beyond your means lifestyle that is popping right now...

and low and behold what has been one of the most polarizing topics this decade?

shitson!

Hold up... Hip hop is responsible for American consumerism?

Damn u Jay Z!

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[5 Grand]

lmao how are my sources bogus bruh...they're legitimate as far as sources go click the links and do the research for yourself. you're not the only person who studies.

Also, regarding your concept of incapacitation being the main contributing factor to the sharp drop of crime since the 80s...it's purely theoretical and not supported by evidence.

There are two major sources of crime statistics commonly used in the United States; The Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) and the NCVS, the nation's primary source of information on criminal victimization.

The UCR consists of every "crime" reported to the police; solved or unsolved. So if somebody reports their bicycle got stolen and an officer shows up to the scene of the crime, he'll ask if there are any suspects. Then that case gets reported in the UCR logbook. It looks similar to an Excel spreadsheet and the crimes are divided between solved and unsolved crimes. Once per month every police department in America reports their data to the FBI. The FBI compiles the data and those statistics, the Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) are the official statistics regarding crime.

However, the UCR doesn't take into account crimes that don't get reported to the police. A second study called the National Crime Victimization Survey(NCVS) aims to survey, or poll, citizens to determine and quantify crimes that didn't get reported to the police. Collectively the UCR and the NCVS are the official statistics used by the Police, FBI and any other legitimate criminal justice professional.

The statistics you provided are made up and aren't used by any known organization.

Now according to the US Census, there were 203 million people in the United States in 1970 and according to the 2010 Census there were 308 million people. Are you saying there's an extra 100 million people in the United States since 1970 but there's less crime?

The incarceration rate has gone up 700 percent, the population has gone from 200 to 300 million but you say there's less crime. How is that possible?

 

[5 Grand]

@5grand you're pulling a fox news out here. the op says Geraldo........................... Geraldo's statement is 100% inaccurate, but you agree with a sliver of what he says and you wanna frame the argument to fit your agenda, Bottom line. Do you AGREE or DISAGREE that over the last 10 years hip hop has done more damage to minorities than racism?

fuck a course, a chart, or a survey. yea or nay?

I think that the powers that be (corporations like Clear Channel and Def Jam) promote images that are unhealthy. These images are especially unhealthy for children and teenagers who may or may not have positive role models. Images such as gunshots in the music, heavy cursing, drug use, etc. Furthermore, some rappers glorify going to jail. I can probably name more rappers that glorify "thug life" than rappers that glorify going to college. I think that's what Geraldo meant.

As far as racism goes, we have a Black president. Yeah, I know about Treyvon Martin and Ferguson but I don't think the image of gangsta rappers helped those cases.

I think Americans turn on their Tv and see Black males with tattoos, jewelry and pants sagging and it perpetuates a negative image.

I would love for you to quit tap dancing and answer the question...............DO YOU BELIEVE HIP HOP HAS CAUSED MORE DAMAGE TO MINORITIES THAN RACISM?

Hold the fuck up @bolded. Please, and lie if you have to......tell me you're not saying there can't be racism because the president is black?

1. How can you quantify the amount of "damage to minorities" that Hip Hop has caused and compare that to the amount of damage racism has caused? If you can think of a way to measure the damage let me know. Its a stupid question but I think Hip Hop has hurt the Black community when it could have helped and thats my final answer.

2. As far as racism goes, I grew up around middle class Black people and many of my peers from childhood have gone on to become doctors, lawyers and judges. Just as many of my friends from childhood have fallen by the wayside. But deep in my heart I don't think its racism thats necessarily holding people back, its their attitude and ambition, or lack of it. For example, many Black youth drop out of high school and end up in prison. Did they end up in prison because they're Black or because they dropped out of high school? I'd say its because they dropped out of high school. Being Black probably had very little to do with it.

 

[5 Grand]

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[JDSTAYWITIT]

If you guys don't think a rapper can glorify gang life, drug dealing and gun violence, you must not be listening to the good stuff.

In fact, you must not have heard any rap in the past 25 years if you deny that rap music CAN have a negative effect on youth via the lyrics.

Or maybe ya'll just sincerely don't remember what the Black community was like prior to the gangsta rap era.

nobody is saying hip hop CANT be influential ... of course it can be ...hell the bum on the corner can influence me to not become wino ... you can be influenced from all different types of things

BUT ...to jump to the conclusion that since rap can make me want to wear fubu it will also lead to me felling as tho i need to be a law breaking sociopathic criminal is silly .... what hip hop artist was AL Capone Massacring niggas to while running a billion dollar crime enterprise terrorizing the streets of Chicago in the process?

SOCIOECONOMICS nigga ... (and for blacks in this country you can sprinkle in a little white supremacy) will continue to be the overwhelming lifeblood of the issues in any community ...yet you niggas love to treat symptoms and not the cause ....

talking about some fucking gangster rap made me do it... lol

 

[5 Grand]

If you guys don't think a rapper can glorify gang life, drug dealing and gun violence, you must not be listening to the good stuff.

In fact, you must not have heard any rap in the past 25 years if you deny that rap music CAN have a negative effect on youth via the lyrics.

Or maybe ya'll just sincerely don't remember what the Black community was like prior to the gangsta rap era.

Crack and gang infested?

How old are you?

Ever see The Cosby Show?

Granted, I didn't grow up in "the hood" the 80s was post civil rights era. Martin Luther King's birthday was made into a holiday and you began to see the beginnings of a Black middle class.

When gangsta rap came around it was like a double edged sword. On one hand it was the voice of the underclass; The voice of the voiceless. On the other hand, it confused children and teenagers who, could have been encouraged to stay in school and go to college, instead they said "fuck the world", smoked weed, got drunk, sold drugs and in many cases, went to jail (and in some cases people are still in jail from the early gangsta rap era)

The incarceration rate has gone up 700% since the early 70s. That means if there were 100 people in jail in 1970, there's 700 people in the same jail now.

Here's some more statistics; Blacks drop out of high school at a higher rate than whites. In Trenton, NJ the dropout/graduation rate is around 50%. For some reason Black dropouts have a higher incarceration rate than White dropouts, and Blacks dropout at a higher rate. One obvious solution would be to stay in school and go on to college. Black College graduates have a far lower incarceration rate than Black high school dropouts.

I can remember what I would consider the turning point. It was in the late 80s. Spike Lee was the new kid on the block and he was producing and directing his own movies with all black casts. His movies had a positive vibe to them and whenever one of his movies dropped the Black Community would flood the theaters. One of his movies, School Daze came out in 1988. It was about a fictional Black College. The characters all had their heads on strait(relatively speaking) and we're pursuing degrees in college. There was a scene where the college students had a run in with the locals in the town who resented the presence of the college kids.

It was around that time that Schooly D, Boogie Down Productions and NWA came out. They aired a lot of dirty laundry. People could relate to gangsta rap and I suppose it was a combination of socio-economic class, upbringing and having positive role models but between 1988 and 1995 it went from Spike Lee making movies about Black kids going to college to movies like Menace to Society (which was a great movie directed by John Singleton another Black director) to rappers like Tupac tattooing Thug Life on his stomach and Biggie rapping about being a crack dealer in the first person.

I was in my twenties during the 90s and I could see the shift. It went from wanting to be like Theo on the Cosby Show to wanting to be "a real nigga" that curses all the time, does drugs, goes to jail and ultimately ends up dead. If you didn't live in that era don't even bother responding.

It's impossible to argue that the incarceration rate has declined since the gangsta rap era. The only reason there may appear to be a lower incarceration date is that the jails/prisons are overcrowded so there's nowhere to put the criminal after he's found guilty. The Criminal Justice System is experimenting with different Community corrections techniques like electronic bracelets or extended community service. Unfortunately, when you look at the statistics, things are worse than they've ever been.

I would go through and pick this apart but I'ma just leave it at this:

The bolded is wrong.

and also incarceration rates don't equate to crime rates. Crime rates are decreasing, but harsh sentencing (mandatory minimums) keeps the incarceration rate from decreasing.

That's simply not true. The prisons are overcrowded so the Criminal Justice system has/had to experiment with alternative forms of punishment such as community service, pretrial supervision, remote location monitoring, weekend programs, in day reporting centers, work programs, treatment programs and other forms of sanction like home detention.

I'm a Criminal Justice major and my textbook is sitting in my lap. We could go on all night if you want.

There's nothing to go all night about...you're ignoring facts. The homicide rate for Black males is nearly half today what it was in 1980 -- which was before mainstream rap was ignorant or violent

source:http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

The dropout rate for Blacks aged 16-24 today is nearly half of what it was back in 1972

source :http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012006.pdf

The median income of Black Americans peaked in 2000 (when it was roughly $9,000 higher than it was in the 70s-80s) and only fell because of the Great Recession

source :http://blackdemographics.com/households/african-american-income/ [/IMG]

All you want to talk about is incarceration rates, which actually hurts your argument. If the crime rate is decreasing for Black Americans why isn't the incarceration rate decreasing? Could it be systemic racism embedded in the criminal justice system which disproportionally targets and incarcerates Blacks? But nah let's keep talking about rap songs.

I figured it out. If you look at the charts you posted, it says "rate per 100,000". There's 75 million more people in America than there was in 1980. There is most definitely more crime.

 

[rapmusic]

I've been listening to hiphop since I was 6 years old, really got into it heavy in 1988 when I was 9. I get so tired of people using this big ass brush to paint all hiphop fans as pretty much thugs in training or some shit. I listened to Public Enemy and KRS and knew what time it was.. I also listened to NWA and 2 Live Crew and took it for what it was. I was never scared of Gangsta rappers, they were always corny to me but I enjoyed the music. All hiphop fans are not following these guys to a t and killing folks or whatever, some of us just like good music. If anything black guys get profiled more because of hiphop. Anyway fuck Geraldo!! He has been a good boy for Fox and now he's a senior correspondent over there. He don't really believe half the bullshit he says.

 

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[Stiff]

If you guys don't think a rapper can glorify gang life, drug dealing and gun violence, you must not be listening to the good stuff.

In fact, you must not have heard any rap in the past 25 years if you deny that rap music CAN have a negative effect on youth via the lyrics.

Or maybe ya'll just sincerely don't remember what the Black community was like prior to the gangsta rap era.

Crack and gang infested?

How old are you?

Ever see The Cosby Show?

Granted, I didn't grow up in "the hood" the 80s was post civil rights era. Martin Luther King's birthday was made into a holiday and you began to see the beginnings of a Black middle class.

When gangsta rap came around it was like a double edged sword. On one hand it was the voice of the underclass; The voice of the voiceless. On the other hand, it confused children and teenagers who, could have been encouraged to stay in school and go to college, instead they said "fuck the world", smoked weed, got drunk, sold drugs and in many cases, went to jail (and in some cases people are still in jail from the early gangsta rap era)

The incarceration rate has gone up 700% since the early 70s. That means if there were 100 people in jail in 1970, there's 700 people in the same jail now.

Here's some more statistics; Blacks drop out of high school at a higher rate than whites. In Trenton, NJ the dropout/graduation rate is around 50%. For some reason Black dropouts have a higher incarceration rate than White dropouts, and Blacks dropout at a higher rate. One obvious solution would be to stay in school and go on to college. Black College graduates have a far lower incarceration rate than Black high school dropouts.

I can remember what I would consider the turning point. It was in the late 80s. Spike Lee was the new kid on the block and he was producing and directing his own movies with all black casts. His movies had a positive vibe to them and whenever one of his movies dropped the Black Community would flood the theaters. One of his movies, School Daze came out in 1988. It was about a fictional Black College. The characters all had their heads on strait(relatively speaking) and we're pursuing degrees in college. There was a scene where the college students had a run in with the locals in the town who resented the presence of the college kids.

It was around that time that Schooly D, Boogie Down Productions and NWA came out. They aired a lot of dirty laundry. People could relate to gangsta rap and I suppose it was a combination of socio-economic class, upbringing and having positive role models but between 1988 and 1995 it went from Spike Lee making movies about Black kids going to college to movies like Menace to Society (which was a great movie directed by John Singleton another Black director) to rappers like Tupac tattooing Thug Life on his stomach and Biggie rapping about being a crack dealer in the first person.

I was in my twenties during the 90s and I could see the shift. It went from wanting to be like Theo on the Cosby Show to wanting to be "a real nigga" that curses all the time, does drugs, goes to jail and ultimately ends up dead. If you didn't live in that era don't even bother responding.

It's impossible to argue that the incarceration rate has declined since the gangsta rap era. The only reason there may appear to be a lower incarceration date is that the jails/prisons are overcrowded so there's nowhere to put the criminal after he's found guilty. The Criminal Justice System is experimenting with different Community corrections techniques like electronic bracelets or extended community service. Unfortunately, when you look at the statistics, things are worse than they've ever been.

I would go through and pick this apart but I'ma just leave it at this:

The bolded is wrong.

and also incarceration rates don't equate to crime rates. Crime rates are decreasing, but harsh sentencing (mandatory minimums) keeps the incarceration rate from decreasing.

That's simply not true. The prisons are overcrowded so the Criminal Justice system has/had to experiment with alternative forms of punishment such as community service, pretrial supervision, remote location monitoring, weekend programs, in day reporting centers, work programs, treatment programs and other forms of sanction like home detention.

I'm a Criminal Justice major and my textbook is sitting in my lap. We could go on all night if you want.

There's nothing to go all night about...you're ignoring facts. The homicide rate for Black males is nearly half today what it was in 1980 -- which was before mainstream rap was ignorant or violent

source:http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

The dropout rate for Blacks aged 16-24 today is nearly half of what it was back in 1972

source :http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012006.pdf

The median income of Black Americans peaked in 2000 (when it was roughly $9,000 higher than it was in the 70s-80s) and only fell because of the Great Recession

source :http://blackdemographics.com/households/african-american-income/ [/IMG]

All you want to talk about is incarceration rates, which actually hurts your argument. If the crime rate is decreasing for Black Americans why isn't the incarceration rate decreasing? Could it be systemic racism embedded in the criminal justice system which disproportionally targets and incarcerates Blacks? But nah let's keep talking about rap songs.

I figured it out. If you look at the charts you posted, it says "rate per 100,000". There's 75 million more people in America than there was in 1980. There is most definitely more crime.

Bro...kids today are less violent than kids of 1980. Violent crime rates of every major city are lower than what they were in 1980. All of the data shows that. Pick any source you want to choose to believe (even though the sources I dropped were compiled by the federal government). Stop believing media hyperbole.

The violent crime rate for black adults age 18-24 today is lower than what it was for black adults 18-24 in 1980. Your theory of incapacitation can't account for that. If you want to argue based on nostalgic feelings then go ahead, but the numbers just aren't on your side. I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[mdot]

Just heard him on that bet news show this morning. Sounds like a typical old man out of touch with reality and was just banging on the same point over and over again.

 

[nujerz84]

If you guys don't think a rapper can glorify gang life, drug dealing and gun violence, you must not be listening to the good stuff.

In fact, you must not have heard any rap in the past 25 years if you deny that rap music CAN have a negative effect on youth via the lyrics.

Or maybe ya'll just sincerely don't remember what the Black community was like prior to the gangsta rap era.

Crack and gang infested?

How old are you?

Ever see The Cosby Show?

Granted, I didn't grow up in "the hood" the 80s was post civil rights era. Martin Luther King's birthday was made into a holiday and you began to see the beginnings of a Black middle class.

When gangsta rap came around it was like a double edged sword. On one hand it was the voice of the underclass; The voice of the voiceless. On the other hand, it confused children and teenagers who, could have been encouraged to stay in school and go to college, instead they said "fuck the world", smoked weed, got drunk, sold drugs and in many cases, went to jail (and in some cases people are still in jail from the early gangsta rap era)

The incarceration rate has gone up 700% since the early 70s. That means if there were 100 people in jail in 1970, there's 700 people in the same jail now.

Here's some more statistics; Blacks drop out of high school at a higher rate than whites. In Trenton, NJ the dropout/graduation rate is around 50%. For some reason Black dropouts have a higher incarceration rate than White dropouts, and Blacks dropout at a higher rate. One obvious solution would be to stay in school and go on to college. Black College graduates have a far lower incarceration rate than Black high school dropouts.

I can remember what I would consider the turning point. It was in the late 80s. Spike Lee was the new kid on the block and he was producing and directing his own movies with all black casts. His movies had a positive vibe to them and whenever one of his movies dropped the Black Community would flood the theaters. One of his movies, School Daze came out in 1988. It was about a fictional Black College. The characters all had their heads on strait(relatively speaking) and we're pursuing degrees in college. There was a scene where the college students had a run in with the locals in the town who resented the presence of the college kids.

It was around that time that Schooly D, Boogie Down Productions and NWA came out. They aired a lot of dirty laundry. People could relate to gangsta rap and I suppose it was a combination of socio-economic class, upbringing and having positive role models but between 1988 and 1995 it went from Spike Lee making movies about Black kids going to college to movies like Menace to Society (which was a great movie directed by John Singleton another Black director) to rappers like Tupac tattooing Thug Life on his stomach and Biggie rapping about being a crack dealer in the first person.

I was in my twenties during the 90s and I could see the shift. It went from wanting to be like Theo on the Cosby Show to wanting to be "a real nigga" that curses all the time, does drugs, goes to jail and ultimately ends up dead. If you didn't live in that era don't even bother responding.

It's impossible to argue that the incarceration rate has declined since the gangsta rap era. The only reason there may appear to be a lower incarceration date is that the jails/prisons are overcrowded so there's nowhere to put the criminal after he's found guilty. The Criminal Justice System is experimenting with different Community corrections techniques like electronic bracelets or extended community service. Unfortunately, when you look at the statistics, things are worse than they've ever been.

I would go through and pick this apart but I'ma just leave it at this:

The bolded is wrong.

and also incarceration rates don't equate to crime rates. Crime rates are decreasing, but harsh sentencing (mandatory minimums) keeps the incarceration rate from decreasing.

That's simply not true. The prisons are overcrowded so the Criminal Justice system has/had to experiment with alternative forms of punishment such as community service, pretrial supervision, remote location monitoring, weekend programs, in day reporting centers, work programs, treatment programs and other forms of sanction like home detention.

I'm a Criminal Justice major and my textbook is sitting in my lap. We could go on all night if you want.

There's nothing to go all night about...you're ignoring facts. The homicide rate for Black males is nearly half today what it was in 1980 -- which was before mainstream rap was ignorant or violent

source:http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

The dropout rate for Blacks aged 16-24 today is nearly half of what it was back in 1972

source :http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012006.pdf

The median income of Black Americans peaked in 2000 (when it was roughly $9,000 higher than it was in the 70s-80s) and only fell because of the Great Recession

source :http://blackdemographics.com/households/african-american-income/ [/IMG]

All you want to talk about is incarceration rates, which actually hurts your argument. If the crime rate is decreasing for Black Americans why isn't the incarceration rate decreasing? Could it be systemic racism embedded in the criminal justice system which disproportionally targets and incarcerates Blacks? But nah let's keep talking about rap songs.

I figured it out. If you look at the charts you posted, it says "rate per 100,000". There's 75 million more people in America than there was in 1980. There is most definitely more crime.

Bro...kids today are less violent than kids of 1980. Violent crime rates of every major city are lower than what they were in 1980. All of the data shows that. Pick any source you want to choose to believe (even though the sources I dropped were compiled by the federal government). Stop believing media hyperbole.

The violent crime rate for black adults age 18-24 today is lower than what it was for black adults 18-24 in 1980. Your theory of incapacitation can't account for that. If you want to argue based on nostalgic feelings then go ahead, but the numbers just aren't on your side. I don't know what else to tell you.

Study by the Bureau of Justice Division Statistics of US Department of Justice.

Using FBI Statistical Information specifically the Supplementary Homicide Report that came be found in the National Archive of Criminal Justice Data.

In closing that guy has proven throughout his posting history to be a fucking idiot.

 

[Stiff]

i think the racism is in the fact that "they" manipulate what gets made available based on what speaks to the current great white /jew agenda.

i think that is the one thing both sides of this argument can agree on.

cosign but at the same time this ain't really an argument. One side is dropping sources, data, graphs and numbers...the other side is saying "fuck your data I'm old so I know. I seen the Cosby Show".

 

[Meta_Conscious]

this shit is sad...

why don't u naggers get together and burn CDs in the street... that'll help the youth...smh

 

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[Meta_Conscious]

y'all worried about rap, while white teachers are telling our kids that they aren't smart enough to succeed in school...

white judges are selling our children to private prisons...

but sagging jeans is the scourge of society tho right?

 

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[Stiff]

"Denice didn't drop out of Hilman College until AFTER NWA came out. FACTS"

 

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mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-and-roland-martin-explode-over-hip-hop-nobody-can-out-street-me/

Geraldo and Roland Martin Explode over Hip-Hop: ‘Nobody Can Out-Street Me!’

Thursday morning on TV One, host Roland Martin and Fox News correspondent Geraldo Rivera sparred over hip-hop’s influence on black culture. Suffice it to say: This was not pretty.

Rivera made waves this week when he appeared on HuffPost Live and decried how, in his belief, hip-hop has done more damage to the black community than racism over the last decade. Martin invited him onto NewsOne Now to debate that premise.

“After a while you have to concede that the virtue being expressed here is a horrible, counterproductive, anti-social message that is holding back the success of people who should be picking up their pants, getting an education, and getting a job,” Rivera declared at the outset of their conversation.

Martin countered that hip-hop isn’t just about violence, and it has become a mainstream, cross-racial phenomenon, as major corporations now regularly use rappers for branding partnerships. In addition, the TV One host said, financial issues like the home foreclosure crisis, subprime loans, and income immobility have done greater harm to minority communities than rap music ever could.

“Tell me what is more violent than the economic violence of Wall Street against America?” Martin asked. “When you suggest that hip-hop somehow has done more damage than racism… that’s utter nonsense.”

“The problem is political correctness,” Rivera said. “Everybody’s afraid.”

We don’t need to describe much more of the kerfuffle for you to understand: This was heated, full of crosstalk, and neither side budged an inch.

But some other highlights: While quoting The Notorious B.I.G.’s “Player’s Anthem” (“Rob the preacher for the offerin’ / Leave the fucker coughin’ up blood”), Rivera failed to censor himself and TV One producers awkwardly cut to a silent bumper for several seconds.

Also: Rivera attempted to explain that he understands urban violence just as well as any rapper. “Nobody can out-street me!” he shouted after noting that he grew up in what was once a terrible neighborhood of Lower Manhattan.

 

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