George Zimmerman verdict thread

[desertrain10]

and from where im sitting there are a lot of blacks and black lead organizations fighting for the poor and rallying for affordable housing, healthcare, decent wages, etc

Agreed, and that’s a great thing. MLK would be proud. He died just for that reason – helping the poorer (not just black) folk.

i really don't see how blacks have used race to divide an conquer among themselves and other people of color as to where is has become detriment

I don’t think that I explained myself clearly. What I meant was that poorer people (regardless of their race) divide and conquer exclusively (so not including richer people) among themselves, but they’re all in the same boat, so it’s pointless, stupid, and very counter-productive but very productive for the “elites.”

So have we divided ourselves? Sure, I think that we can both agree.

Poorer Africans vs. Poorer African-Americans.

Poorer Light-skinned vs Poorer Dark-skinned.

Poorer Democrats vs. Poorer Republicans.

Poorer Heterosexuals/Religious vs. Poorer Homosexuals.

Poorer Young vs. Poorer Old.

Poorer Gang A vs. Poorer Gang B.

Poorer Ideology A vs. Poorer Ideology B (e.g., back in the day, the FBI secretly fed false information to get the US Organization and Black Panthers to fight and kill each other even though both organizations were both black nationalists fighting the elites).

I can only think of religion when it comes to poorer blacks actually getting along and not fighting against each other regardless of whatever religion or lack thereof.

And have poorer blacks divided among other people of color who are also poorer? Yes.

Black vs. Hispanic (which is a damn shame imo especially since some of my closest homies are Hispanic)

Black vs. Asian (which is very complicated imo)

Black vs. Italian (We’ve all watched Do the Right Thing, right?), etc.

When poor blacks riot, who do they go after? Their non-black poor neighbors and their stores. But they never go after rich, white people (not saying that they should). They end up killing each other. People of color should stand together, and that’s exactly what the elite does not want happening.

Now, the essential question – Have these divisions been detrimental? That’s where it gets complicated imo. I say yes. For example, the Black vs. Mexican gang war in Southern California in prisons and on the outside. We kill each other, and the elite benefit.

Your right.....homophobia, classism, racism, sexism goes hand in hand

Therefore we all would be better served to put aside our differences and unite for a common goal

But first imho we have to address the root, sources of these divisions or they are destined to linger

I.e. white supremacy, patriarchy, etc

Also whites poor, working class have to do some serious soul searching...the ruling class i.e. law makers, political pudits/strategist has long used whites fear, hatred of blacks and foreigners as a means to get them to vote against their economic interest

 

[LUClEN]

I hate how people are comparing being a white Hispanic to being a White Black. Oddly enough it seems to be all White people, who I am confident have no idea about the racial segregation in Spanish speaking countries.

 

[dafamily2012]

We need to start building up our communities into a organized unit. This shit wouldn't happen if we were respected as black people in this country and throughout the world. The glory of the black man and black women has been been forgotten and written out of history, so we appear to be thugs and animals in this white washed world. But in reality, we started civilization itself. This time of oppression and white supremacy is just another era in history, it will past as all things do. That time is now!

 

[No_Way_Jose]

I was always under the impression that the Zimmerman/Martin case was a tool used to distract the masses from our current administration's involvement in international drone wars, and the Western/British/Israeli expansionist plots in Syria/Middle East. Apparently, it worked, however brief.

 

[playmaker88]

I was always under the impression that the Zimmerman/Martin case was a tool used to distract the masses from our current administration's involvement in international drone wars, and the Western/British/Israeli expansionist plots in Syria/Middle East. Apparently, it worked, however brief.

Kill your fuckin self sadly these idiotic assertions are shared by many

 

[janklow]

I was always under the impression that the Zimmerman/Martin case was a tool used to distract the masses from our current administration's involvement in international drone wars, and the Western/British/Israeli expansionist plots-

redundancy ahoy

 

[TrillLife]

conspiracies? really?

 

[BankrollVillain]

just wanna give GZ a big FUCK YOUR LIFE

 

[cobbland]

Shellie Zimmerman: Indicates George Zimmerman Lied About Mentoring Kids The Night He Killed Trayvon

by cc Aug 29, 2013 10:56am PDT

In an interview with Christi O’Connor, Shellie Zimmerman said that she and George got into a fight Saturday night, the night before he killed Trayvon Martin, and that she left him and was staying at her father's house. Shellie Zimmerman said she was still staying with her father on Sunday - the night of the killing of Trayvon Martin.

That means George's dad, Robert Zimmerman Sr. lied when he was under oath and told the State Attorney that George had cooked Shellie dinner that night.

Time stamp 1:39

ROBERT ZIMMERMAN Sr.: George had cooked dinner for him and his wife and was going to the store. He goes to the store the same time every week.

~ Robert Zimmerman Sr, George Zimmerman's dad, while under oath

If Robert Zimmerman is going to lie about George cooking dinner for Shellie that night, when she had moved out the night before, I do not believe him when he also swore under oath that it was George Zimmerman's voice screaming for help ... I don't believe it. So far all I've garnered from the George Zimmerman family is that they are pathological liars who enable their sociopathic son so much so that he killed an unarmed teenager.

Since there was none of George's DNA on Trayvon Martin's hands, fingers or sleeves, (see my previous diaries), I always wondered if Shellie had caused those "injuries" on George's head sometime before he found Trayvon ... now ... that I know Shellie and George had a fight so bad that she left home and moved in with her dad, I am beginning to believe she did cause those injuries to George's head on Saturday night.

This would mean, George Zimmerman lied when he told the police that he and Shellie mentored children at their home on Sunday afternoon before he did his weekly shopping at Target.

DETECTIVE SERINO: "He had made reference to mentoring children, specifically African America children."

Remember Zimmerman fans chanting George couldn't possibly have profiled Trayvon because Trayvon is black, after all, George mentors black kids.

Zimmerman also told Sean Hannity he and Shellie had been mentoring kids that night:

ZIMMERMAN: I was going to Target to do my weekly grocery shopping. Sunday nights was the only nights -- well, Sunday after we mentored the kids, we would always go grocery shopping and do our cooking for the week. So I wanted to go to Target and I headed out. And that's the last time I've been home.

George clearly lied as "we" did not "mentor" any kids that night because one of the "we" had moved out and was living with her father.



Shellie Zimmerman did not disclose what they argued about that led her to move out and stay with her father and she was never asked if she hit George in the head before she moved out. She also refused to answer if George has a temper.

OCONNOR: "Does George have a temper? How volatile did it get the evening before?"

SHELLIE ZIMMERMAN: "Not going to answer that,"

ABC News reports that Christie O’Connor is writing a book about Zimmerman's trial and hinted that there was evidence that was mishandled, saying that during the sensational trial, “there were so many untruths told.”

“What the jury never heard could have led to a different verdict,” she said.

Everything that George Zimmerman did, from the second he killed Trayvon Martin has seemed scripted and phoney to me. OMara's law firm even confirmed that they used public relation plan regarding George Zimmerman.

“We certainly would not have advised him to go to the factory that made the gun that he used to shoot Trayvon Martin through the heart,” Shawn Vincent, a spokesman for attorney Mark O’Mara, told Yahoo! News Friday afternoon. “That was not part of our public relations plan.”

This diary was updated to include Robert Zimmerman Sr. perjuring himself.
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/08...ut-Mentoring-Kids-The-Night-He-Killed-Trayvon

 

[Pr0n]

The prosecution sucked. The witness testimony alleging that Zimmerman was on bottom and Trayvon was on top beating Zimmerman could have been refuted with the ample psychology research which has shown witness testimony is never accurate or reliable because testimony is usually confabulated to coincide with the witness' schema.

 

[janklow]

The prosecution sucked. The witness testimony alleging that Zimmerman was on bottom and Trayvon was on top beating Zimmerman could have been refuted with the ample psychology research which has shown witness testimony is never accurate or reliable because testimony is usually confabulated to coincide with the witness' schema.

trying too hard, man

 

[Pr0n]

The prosecution sucked. The witness testimony alleging that Zimmerman was on bottom and Trayvon was on top beating Zimmerman could have been refuted with the ample psychology research which has shown witness testimony is never accurate or reliable because testimony is usually confabulated to coincide with the witness' schema.

trying too hard, man

Not at all. They could have asked the witness questions about other details of that night and soon as he confabulated one of those they could throw his whole testimony into question.

 

[janklow]

Not at all. They could have asked the witness questions about other details of that night and soon as he confabulated one of those they could throw his whole testimony into question.

might want to re-read your post again if you don't see what i was getting at

but more topically, note that you're declaring witness testimony you don't agree with as unquestionably tainted while likely not applying the same standard to witness testimony you do like. so...

 

[Pr0n]

This is not about whether or not I agree with the testimony, but rather whether or not I think the prosecution sucked.

By trying to hard do you mean it is unreasonable for one to expect the state to exert as much effort as the private attorney the defense hired?

 

[Jabu_Rule]

This is not about whether or not I agree with the testimony, but rather whether or not I think the prosecution sucked.

By trying to hard do you mean it is unreasonable for one to expect the state to exert as much effort as the private attorney the defense hired?

Then you lead to cries about the state overstepping like the MIT hacker case where the accused killed himself cause he was facing a few years even though there were a few pleas on the table.

 

[Pr0n]

Overstepping? Because they employ more aggressive tactics when cross examining witnesses? I've never heard of this

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Overstepping? Because they employ more aggressive tactics when cross examining witnesses? I've never heard of this

There is a balance with everything you do. They overstepped in the first place by charging Zimmerman incorrectly. The judge can step in if the lawyer is accused of badgering the witness.

 

[Pr0n]

He wouldn't have to be overbearing or harassing in his cross examination. Witness testimony is consistently unreliable and if the prosecution had tried to show this in court they would have had a better case.

 

[janklow]

By trying to hard do you mean it is unreasonable for one to expect the state to exert as much effort as the private attorney the defense hired?

more this:

"The witness testimony alleging that Zimmerman was on bottom and Trayvon was on top beating Zimmerman could have been refuted with the ample psychology research which has shown witness testimony is never accurate or reliable because testimony is usually confabulated to coincide with the witness' schema."

if you don't get it, you don't get it.

also, i expect the prosecution to make an effort, but your argument is still essentially "witnesses are suspect" (or, i guess, "Witness testimony is consistently unreliable and if the prosecution had tried to show this in court they would have had a better case"). this is true, but it cuts both ways.

 

[Pr0n]

By trying to hard do you mean it is unreasonable for one to expect the state to exert as much effort as the private attorney the defense hired?

more this:

"The witness testimony alleging that Zimmerman was on bottom and Trayvon was on top beating Zimmerman could have been refuted with the ample psychology research which has shown witness testimony is never accurate or reliable because testimony is usually confabulated to coincide with the witness' schema."

if you don't get it, you don't get it.

also, i expect the prosecution to make an effort, but your argument is still essentially "witnesses are suspect" (or, i guess, "Witness testimony is consistently unreliable and if the prosecution had tried to show this in court they would have had a better case"). this is true, but it cuts both ways.

Seeing as the prosecution's star witness hurt their case cutting it both ways might not be so bad.

But how would having a professional take the stand and explain the unreliability of witness testimony, which you agree with, be trying too hard?