George Zimmerman verdict thread

[Juicy Lipz]

I still think that George is still guilty....this just shows that we still live in a society that black people need to still fear for their lives because we are just not going to get justice like we should.

 

[KLICHE]

If this is true, there is ALOT in here that is news to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc

 

[cannonspike1994]

^^ yeah its fucking bullshit

 

[nj2089]

lol at hot97 all of sudden playing public enemy

 

[twatgetta]

And just like I predicted. Zimmerman walked free.

 

[twatgetta]

lol at hot97 all of sudden playing public enemy

they just coons trying to act responsible now. should just go back to interviewing weezy and chief keef.

 

[indyman87]

It's funny how Zimmerman changed from looking like a stack @ss street thug when he first got arrested to a Mexican version of the Pillsbury dough boy.

 

[Aljazz]

The Trayvon Martin trial was not supposed to happen. This is true in two respects. The Trayvon Martin trial only took place because public outrage prompted Florida police to arrest George Zimmerman, the man who killed him, over a month after Martin's death. The Trayvon Martin trial took place because that same public went on to try Martin in his own murder, assessing his morality like it precluded his right to live. It was never a trial of George Zimmerman. It was always a trial of Trayvon Martin, always a character assassination of the dead.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/07/201371495445953104.html

 

[twatgetta]

I'll be glad when you COONS get ofer this shit. yall act Jesus Christ was murdered by Zimmerman or something. NIggaz die everyday for suspect reasons....focus on Chicago and put pressure on that housenigga Obama for a change. this TM case is over with. move on.

 

[Plutarch]

considering all the murders every year why do you think THIS particular one received so much publicity. and why do people feel outraged like they know exactly what happened that day?

This case got so much publicity because the cops and the system allowed a known killer to walk free. Initially, Zimmerman wasn't even charged anything for killing Trayvon, and that's the difference between this case and the average black on black violence case. When the police know that a black man has killed someone, he is arrested and charged.

We do know what happened in the Zimmerman case because 911 calls paint the picture. GZ profiled Trayvon, followed him, then killed him. Even according to Zimmerman, Trayvon was running away from him only to be pursued further. The things that we don't know doesn't change what we do now. The jury's decision was par for the course and we should've all seen this coming. Black life is just not as valuable as white life to white people. A jury 5/6 white was never going to place the proper value on a young black man's life. This is why they gave Zimmerman more than the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that he clearly initiated an incident that led to the killing of an unarmed 17 year old. I'm really not mad at the decision because maybe this will finally wake us up. Whites aren't playing, things are getting real and blacks need to wake up. There's a war going on outside and we are all that we've got.

I call bullshit on this. This whole ordeal imo is a lot more complicated than how you see it. And a lot less biased.

This is not even just a legal case anymore if it were ever that in the first place. It’s part of a media circus, and it’s now just full of melodrama, sensationalism, blatant ignorance, race-baiting, and all other kinds of bullshit. And a lot of people are falling for this bullshit. Letting their emotions cloud any sense of rationality and treating Martin as if they personally knew him. Ugh.

Yes, Zimmerman should’ve been charged with at least something. But manslaughter and second-degree murder (imo, the two, most serious charges he justifiably could’ve/should’ve been convicted of) would be very difficult charges to prove. In addition to this uphill battle that people seem to not acknowledge, there is also the fact that the prosecution team (much like with that of the Casey Anthony case) were not very proficient. Therefore, an acquittal was very likely to happen. I don’t see how anyone could actually be surprised by the outcome.

This case is not symptomatic of some racist-system designed to kill “our children.” Yes, the system is racist, but this case has very little to do with that. If you want to see true racism (or better yet, classism), pay attention to the countless number of other cases that negatively affect Americans of all races. Even though they won't show these cases on the news because there’s no juicy story to exploit. But if you’re so outraged, then you’d make the active effort to check out these cases on your own and actually do something to reform this incompetent system as opposed to just bitching.

Btw, this whole post wasn’t directed at you, godbynature. So no disrespect.

 

[spiritgod87]

I'll be glad when you COONS get ofer this shit. yall act Jesus Christ was murdered by Zimmerman or something. NIggaz die everyday for suspect reasons....focus on Chicago and put pressure on that housenigga Obama for a change. this TM case is over with. move on.

Hell no, like the jews say "NEVER FORGET"

 

[godbynature]

considering all the murders every year why do you think THIS particular one received so much publicity. and why do people feel outraged like they know exactly what happened that day?

This case got so much publicity because the cops and the system allowed a known killer to walk free. Initially, Zimmerman wasn't even charged anything for killing Trayvon, and that's the difference between this case and the average black on black violence case. When the police know that a black man has killed someone, he is arrested and charged.

We do know what happened in the Zimmerman case because 911 calls paint the picture. GZ profiled Trayvon, followed him, then killed him. Even according to Zimmerman, Trayvon was running away from him only to be pursued further. The things that we don't know doesn't change what we do now. The jury's decision was par for the course and we should've all seen this coming. Black life is just not as valuable as white life to white people. A jury 5/6 white was never going to place the proper value on a young black man's life. This is why they gave Zimmerman more than the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that he clearly initiated an incident that led to the killing of an unarmed 17 year old. I'm really not mad at the decision because maybe this will finally wake us up. Whites aren't playing, things are getting real and blacks need to wake up. There's a war going on outside and we are all that we've got.

I call bullshit on this. This whole ordeal imo is a lot more complicated than how you see it. And a lot less biased.

This is not even just a legal case anymore if it were ever that in the first place. It’s part of a media circus, and it’s now just full of melodrama, sensationalism, blatant ignorance, race-baiting, and all other kinds of bullshit. And a lot of people are falling for this bullshit. Letting their emotions cloud any sense of rationality and treating Martin as if they personally knew him. Ugh.

Yes, Zimmerman should’ve been charged with at least something. But manslaughter and second-degree murder (imo, the two, most serious charges he justifiably could’ve/should’ve been convicted of) would be very difficult charges to prove. In addition to this uphill battle that people seem to not acknowledge, there is also the fact that the prosecution team (much like with that of the Casey Anthony case) were not very proficient. Therefore, an acquittal was very likely to happen. I don’t see how anyone could actually be surprised by the outcome.

This case is not symptomatic of some racist-system designed to kill “our children.” Yes, the system is racist, but this case has very little to do with that. If you want to see true racism (or better yet, classism), pay attention to the countless number of other cases that negatively affect Americans of all races. Even though they won't show these cases on the news because there’s no juicy story to exploit. But if you’re so outraged, then you’d make the active effort to check out these cases on your own and actually do something to reform this incompetent system as opposed to just bitching.

Btw, this whole post wasn’t directed at you, godbynature. So no disrespect.

I actually do take offense to this drivel that you posted because its an insult to my intelligence. You could've kept this to yourself because you didn't say shit.

 

[Plutarch]

I actually do take offense to this drivel that you posted

Meh, well so much for civility and maturity. If you do take offense to my "drivel," then that's out of my hands because, once again, I meant no disrespect.

because its an insult to my intelligence.

Not sure I'm understanding you here. If you're saying that I'm being condescending, then you've misunderstood me. Either that or you don't handle criticism very well.

You could've kept this to yourself

Heh, and why would I do that? And why are you taking this so personal heh? I'm getting the impression that you thought that whole post was addressed to you. If so, don't flatter yourself. Only the first three sentences were addressed to you. The other 90% of the post had nothing to do with you and was just a general post.

because you didn't say shit.

Well, I guess we disagree.

And the fact that you got into your feelings may say otherwise. And the fact that you replied to me but didn't really address anything means that you're the one who didn't say shit. And I still have no idea why you're butthurt.

 

[kingblaze84]

I'll be glad when you COONS get ofer this shit. yall act Jesus Christ was murdered by Zimmerman or something. NIggaz die everyday for suspect reasons....focus on Chicago and put pressure on that housenigga Obama for a change. this TM case is over with. move on.

Believe me when I say this, Black people as a whole will not forget this case. Blacks are seeing the American justice system for what it is:

A justice system BUILT for White people, made for White people, and FOR White people. The seeds of mistrust have been planted and the consequences for America will be severe. Innocent people are getting hurt over this already, and that's what happens when the seeds of mistrust are planted and watered. Watered for 300 years through evil and brutality. It's gona get very ugly in American society in the next few weeks, my friends are already telling me what they're doing......

 

[janklow]

The things that we don't know doesn't change what we do now.

i don't know: the confrontation itself is a HUGE unknown and depending on what happened, it really changes whether or not this verdict was legit

 

[desertrain10]

considering all the murders every year why do you think THIS particular one received so much publicity. and why do people feel outraged like they know exactly what happened that day?

This case got so much publicity because the cops and the system allowed a known killer to walk free. Initially, Zimmerman wasn't even charged anything for killing Trayvon, and that's the difference between this case and the average black on black violence case. When the police know that a black man has killed someone, he is arrested and charged.

We do know what happened in the Zimmerman case because 911 calls paint the picture. GZ profiled Trayvon, followed him, then killed him. Even according to Zimmerman, Trayvon was running away from him only to be pursued further. The things that we don't know doesn't change what we do now. The jury's decision was par for the course and we should've all seen this coming. Black life is just not as valuable as white life to white people. A jury 5/6 white was never going to place the proper value on a young black man's life. This is why they gave Zimmerman more than the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that he clearly initiated an incident that led to the killing of an unarmed 17 year old. I'm really not mad at the decision because maybe this will finally wake us up. Whites aren't playing, things are getting real and blacks need to wake up. There's a war going on outside and we are all that we've got.

I call bullshit on this. This whole ordeal imo is a lot more complicated than how you see it. And a lot less biased.

This is not even just a legal case anymore if it were ever that in the first place. It’s part of a media circus, and it’s now just full of melodrama, sensationalism, blatant ignorance, race-baiting, and all other kinds of bullshit. And a lot of people are falling for this bullshit. Letting their emotions cloud any sense of rationality and treating Martin as if they personally knew him. Ugh.

Yes, Zimmerman should’ve been charged with at least something. But manslaughter and second-degree murder (imo, the two, most serious charges he justifiably could’ve/should’ve been convicted of) would be very difficult charges to prove. In addition to this uphill battle that people seem to not acknowledge, there is also the fact that the prosecution team (much like with that of the Casey Anthony case) were not very proficient. Therefore, an acquittal was very likely to happen. I don’t see how anyone could actually be surprised by the outcome.

This case is not symptomatic of some racist-system designed to kill “our children.” Yes, the system is racist, but this case has very little to do with that. If you want to see true racism (or better yet, classism), pay attention to the countless number of other cases that negatively affect Americans of all races. Even though they won't show these cases on the news because there’s no juicy story to exploit. But if you’re so outraged, then you’d make the active effort to check out these cases on your own and actually do something to reform this incompetent system as opposed to just bitching.

Btw, this whole post wasn’t directed at you, godbynature. So no disrespect.

long read ...but here goes

this entire argument that race played no role in the shooting, or the proceedings is so frustratingly naive ...it was all about race. race is intertwined into every facet of our soceity

fact is since the days of slavery we have lived in a soceity that has purposely portrayed black men as criminal, a threat in waiting... and did so to drum up fear, to maintain the racial hierarchy that is america. that's why this case impacted so many people. to many including myself zimmerman was just the product of our soceity, the embodiment of how our nation feels about black people and black men in particular. he didn't see trayvon as an ordinary teen only a threat, something inhuman. not once did he give trayvon the benefit of the doubt, he assumed the worst and has yet to express any regret or any face substantial consequences for his actions.

so this was no media creation. thousands of people had signed petitions and marched the down the streets of sanford before most the media had even began to follow the story.

and i get it there's the law, then theres the burden of proof, and the prosecution could have done a better job presenting their case... but then you also have to ask the question are juries/judges/lawyers not products of our soceity as well. they enter the court room carrying with them their own prejudices and racial biases... no coincidence white victims and criminals are favored in the court of law

smh....you don't think it mannered the jury of 6 was made up of 5 white women who more then likely have no idea what it means to be racially profiled, you think they have the same natural distrust of whites, police officers that most blacks have....how could they possibly understand what may have been going through the mind of tray or sympathize with his plight that night

was it not the plan of the defense to feed into the jury's fears and prejudices when they paraded around an old picture of a shirtless trayvon with a gold grill...and do you honestly feel they would've tried the same tactic had the jury been made up of black men and women. seriously doubt it

yes, there may be more pressing issues i agree...but sensible people know rallies like the ones where people were demanding justice for the martin family, aren't going to curb a complex issues such as black on black violence which has deep socioeconomic roots. that's accomplished through policy making from a seemly inept government that has time and time again championed corporate interest over those of its people, no matter who was in office

also understand we live in a day in age where in black men as well as Muslims, latinos, gays are being strategically targeted and/or profiled by state officials across the nation...that's another big reason why narratives like trayvon martin's stir so many emotions and consequently got so much media coverage

as far as class goes .... race and class as inextricably intertwined categories because of this country’s centuries of racial oppression. no coincidence that there is wage, wealth gap between whites and non-whites

 

[Plutarch]

^^^ cool, I actually got a mature and rational response for a change. I gotta go now, but I'll be back. But from what I skimmed, I don't think I necessarily disagree with a lot of what you said.

 

[janklow]

so this was no media creation. thousands of people had signed petitions and marched the down the streets of sanford before most the media had even began to follow the story.

wait, doesn't this also say that thousands of people had decided what the verdict should be before they had access to a complete range of forensic and eyewitness testimony? because that doesn't really sound like the best way to decide a court case

smh....you don't think it mannered the jury of 6 was made up of 5 white women who more then likely have no idea what it means to be racially profiled, you think they have the same natural distrust of whites, police officers that most blacks have....how could they possibly understand what may have been going through the mind of tray or sympathize with his plight that night

what would have been going through Trayvon's mind that would have made Zimmerman more likely to be convicted, though?

look, my contention was that Martin saw this mysterious guy following him, confronted him about it and things ended up as they did. i completely understand why he would do something like that. but if you're talking about Zimmerman not being convicted... what in the mindset of Martin is going to do that?

 

[Plutarch]

long read ...but here goes

Thanks for taking the time. Well, let me just go ahead and apologize for my long read in advance.

this entire argument that race played no role in the shooting, or the proceedings is so frustratingly naive ...it was all about race. race is intertwined into every facet of our society

To be fair, I personally don’t think that race played no role. I think that race played a non-major role that is being exaggerated for understandably emotional and political reasons, but that doesn’t make it right or true. It’s possible that race had a lot to do with it, but there is no real EVIDENCE that suggests that, especially regarding the proceedings. Zimmerman got off not because of race. He got off because our court system is flawed across the board. It’s not like they intentionally let him off because Trayvon was black and who cares about Trayvon. How does that make sense?

Race is indeed intertwined in our society, but so is a lot of other variables that are being downplayed. And we see race in everything because we want to see race in everything, but, again, that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true. At least, let’s take a look at the real facts and evidence regarding this case. I don’t think people are doing that, and they are just rushing to premature conclusions based on emotions and generalizations. I’m against our racist court system as much as you are, but I’m also against putting the cart before the horse.

fact is since the days of slavery we have lived in a soceity that has purposely portrayed black men as criminal, a threat in waiting... and did so to drum up fear, to maintain the racial hierarchy that is america. that's why this case impacted so many people. to many including myself zimmerman was just the product of our soceity, the embodiment of how our nation feels about black people and black men in particular. he didn't see trayvon as an ordinary teen only a threat, something inhuman. not once did he give trayvon the benefit of the doubt, he assumed the worst and has yet to express any regret or any face substantial consequences for his actions.

I mostly agree besides the vague “it’s the white man that’s keeping the black man down” impression that I’m getting. Zimmerman definitely should’ve been reprimanded for his actions, but, again, it’s mostly the fault of how hard it was to prove murder in this unique case. And how incompetent the prosecution team was. It wasn’t because Zimmerman was “white” and Martin was “black.” If the races were reversed, the same outcome would most likely have happened. Let’s not forget that this whole ordeal isn’t over. Zimmerman will live a life of scrutiny. Zimmerman will face judgment in civil court cases. There may also be the possibility of retrials if indeed the jury was incompetent as well. A lot of people are unhappy. I just hope they concentrate that unrest into activism that actually exposes and criticizes our court systems instead of just focusing on racism and hatred and rioting.

 

[Plutarch]

so this was no media creation. thousands of people had signed petitions and marched the down the streets of sanford before most the media had even began to follow the story.

I don’t think attention to the case was created by the media. I think that the media took the grassroots attention and exploited and scandalized it into the circus it is now. This certainly isn’t new. It was done with that Jodi Arias or whatever that crazy bitch’s name was. And it was done with Michael Jackson. And it was done with Jessica Lynch. And so on. My problem is that we forget about the things that matter and fail to look at the case with rationality and concentrate on the drama and let our emotions go. Some people have never followed the case, don’t know what happened, don’t know anything about the whole ordeal, but still voice very emotionally charged opinions about it. But those opinions are just baseless. I also find it irksome that the media is paying so much attention to this case when there are literally millions of other cases (before and after the Trayvon case) in America in which there have clearly been acts of injustice. The thing is, these cases have not been on television because there is no juicy story. But if they were on television, public opinion could make an impact and reverse these injustices. It’s ironic because it’s the media attention that forced the Trayvon case to have a “just” outcome according to the current system of law. The problem is that that just outcome wasn’t really justice. And that’s why our court systems are flawed.

and i get it there's the law, then theres the burden of proof, and the prosecution could have done a better job presenting their case... but then you also have to ask the question are juries/judges/lawyers not products of our soceity as well. they enter the court room carrying with them their own prejudices and racial biases... no coincidence white victims and criminals are favored in the court of law

Yes, some white victims and criminals are favored. But imo, the more accurate and important fact is that wealthier victims and criminals are favored. Poor whites as well as poor blacks get thrown under the bus. Instead of this white vs black bs. We need to focus on class. That’s my beef. And I also find it very odd that people seem to imply that Zimmerman is white and that it’s the white man’s fault. Zimmerman is a middle-class Hispanic of mixed heritage if I’m not mistaken. Hispanics are discriminated against just as blacks are. This is partially why I think that Zimmerman’s acquittal has nothing to do with race and had everything to do with other flawed areas of our court system.

As for lawyers and judges being biased. Everyone is biased unfortunately. But lawyers and judges are held to higher standards, and many of them are professional and hold themselves to the standard of being impartial and neutral. Courts are based on evidence not emotions and prejudices. Juries are another problem. But this is why we have appeals and retrials.