Future Questions Jay-Z and Reasonable Doubt Status in Hip Hop

[Ether44mag]

what the point of all this tho ? Reasonable doubt was not the type of album that was supposed to go platinum right away but it got 4 mics in the source and everyone who heard it considered it a near classic

vol.1 was a flop but got his groove back when he put out Streets is Watching

and then he became famous because of 3 songs "hard knock life" "can I get a " and "money aint a thing"and was now with Def Jam

so my point is , it has nothing to do with Pac and Biggie dying everything to do with the right singles and the right promotion he got when they partnered with Def Jam

If Biggie was still alive they were going to collab on alot of shit and I always thought Jay always had the best verse on every collab they did

 

[AP21]

i didnt listen to RD until AFTER i listened to BP (which was my first jay-z listen from start to finish)

down here, it was no limit and cash money

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

i didnt listen to RD until AFTER i listened to BP (which was my first jay-z listen from start to finish)

down here, it was no limit and cash money

was bout to flag you til i realized where ur from

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

He told the truth. Outside of ny Jay ain't get popular til 98 when hard knock life Annie sing dropped. When pac said fuc Jay z other regions listened . Also the fast rap camp lo style wasn't tight to a lot of folk

So you south niggas was like "fuck Dead Presidents and Can't Knock the Hustle but this Annie sample we just can't resist."

 

[Mr.LV]

I said the same shit on this board months ago..

It took that album years to go plat. Jay didn't really pick up steam til HKL..

Jay simply got lost in the shuffle of 96-97 their was some New York heavyweights dropping classics .

 

[CashmoneyDux]

but is Future qualified to make that assertion? l,ao shout out to Beans

Are you? Let's compare your resume to Future's.

you argue like a bitch

 

[aneed123]

He told the truth. Outside of ny Jay ain't get popular til 98 when hard knock life Annie sing dropped. When pac said fuc Jay z other regions listened . Also the fast rap camp lo style wasn't tight to a lot of folk

Yeah see this is what I'm talkin' about. There's no way of knowin' if Hard Knock Life wudda banged in the charts if Pac and Big were alive. He hadn't realised a proper radio friendly song of quality like that up to that point

I was alive and lived thru it. I know. Niggas wasn't listening to him like that.

 

[achewon87]

 

[aneed123]

He told the truth. Outside of ny Jay ain't get popular til 98 when hard knock life Annie sing dropped. When pac said fuc Jay z other regions listened . Also the fast rap camp lo style wasn't tight to a lot of folk

So you south niggas was like "fuck Dead Presidents and Can't Knock the Hustle but this Annie sample we just can't resist."

Pretty much

 

[psychobutcher]

Yall feelings dont matter Jigga warriors. Future stating facts. I dont even have to bring pac, east/west beef into equation. Fugees sold 22 million albums that summer and made a bigger impact than RD will ever dream about. Young niggas that were in them streets were getting smoked out, faded and banging to E 1999 eternal. Foxy and Kim had instant sex appeal and brought back the interest to the female MC. Outkast sold 3 million without the hurrah. Wu Tang was popular as fuck. Mr. Smith was still wild popular from Loungin remix and doing it. Then us southerners had the luxury of having an untapped state to state regional sound to fall back on. Cash Money, No Limit, Slip N Slide, Screwed Up Click etc. Back then you really had to have incredible personality or a gimmick to make the rap world stop and kiss your ass like how yall think hip hop did in 96 for Reasonable Doubt.

Yall need to stop taking it as an personal attack when niggas talk about how RD didnt take off. new Ny rappers was dropping a generic mafioso album every month at that time. hell IWW came out around the same time. RD didnt stand out or distingish itself from the pack. If it wasnt for the sing songy aint no nigga on the summer most popular movie sdtk RD would of completly went under the radar. Instead of taking it as an insult be happy Jay Z came so far from RD. He is a legend before our eyes. He said it himself he was bullshitting when he recorded it and it was supposed to be a one and done event. Obviously his rapping skills improved from that sloppy ass offbeat shit on RD to completely mastering different styles. His song writing skills improved and content within content improved. He raps about RD subjects now better than he did on RD. When you jigga warriors go so hard blindly for Reasonable Doubt you do a disservice to all his projects that he released afterwards. So yall mean to tell me that no other point in his career does he top that wack ass '96 flow?

Bias or not, even a clock is right twice a day. That RD = classic talk didn't start till after '98. That album came kinda late in the game TBH. That mafioso rap coke boy sh*t was already getting played out around the time RD dropped. That style was done and done better by other rappers. Other albums with similar content (OB4CL, Street dreams, even Doe or Die) were all better received. I lived in NY at that time and remember this era vividly.

Played out? Fly nigga rap is still the best thing out. You can have all the beta male rap you want, shit ain't worth listening to.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

but is Future qualified to make that assertion? l,ao shout out to Beans

Are you? Let's compare your resume to Future's.

you argue like a bitch

There's no argument. It's called using their own logic against them.

He said Future's not qualified. I pointed out that Future is more qualified than everyone on this board, including him.

Keep up.

 

[trilladelic]

He told the truth. Outside of ny Jay ain't get popular til 98 when hard knock life Annie sing dropped. When pac said fuc Jay z other regions listened . Also the fast rap camp lo style wasn't tight to a lot of folk

So you south niggas was like "fuck Dead Presidents and Can't Knock the Hustle but this Annie sample we just can't resist."

I bought IML on a whim when it 1st drop in 98 along with mase's HW..

Maybe that whole pac thing hindered him a tad in the south n west but Jay didn't have the marketing prowess he has today. The 1st ads for RD were like half page ads. 'Don't knock' though I love the song didn't get any traction outside of the tri-state, but he sold gold in a less than a year so that's nothing to sneeze at..

I personally didn't buy RD til like the early 2000s. A used copy at that. I waited that long because I heard Brooklyn finest when it 1st dropped and didn't like the beat. That's didn't make me eager to hear the rest of it. Other than that he's always been a 1st day cop.

 

[grYmes]

I don't mind Future sayin what he said, it's just funny he speakin on somethin he'll never achieve. Timeless music.

All this just screams "I got nothin goin on right now music wise so.. here's some shit to keep y'all talkin". Mission accomplished.

 

[GetoBoy]

Let's just say for the sake of argument future is right... Let's say nobody cared about RD when it dropped let's say nobody cared about Jay till Big and PAC died let's say Jay album went unnoticed until so and so year what does that prove for today Jay can't be the goat or RD can't be a classic today becuz of what was going on 20 years ago?? I've never gotten the point of that.... That's like saying Kobe ain't a great becuz he didn't start winning till Jordan retired like wtf does that have to do with him personally being great.... RD is a classic album on its own and Jay is a goat on his own it don't matter if it took both those things the full 20 years to get there they got there so what's the problem???

 

[_Goldie_]

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after seeing this...i agree 100%

people was trying to make it seem like he just didnt like RD

EXACTLY

Like I said already, Future is only saying what we've been saying for a decade plus. Social media is just trying to take it out of context and getting mad because it's "Future" saying it SMMFH.

What's fucked up is if it were Kendrick, 50 Cent, NaS or Master P saying it niggas would be quiet af. Future was just keeping it 100 :+1: @_Goldie_ isn't Future managed by Rocnation too ?

If my memory serves me correct, he has the same manager as Nas. With that said he just made one of the "biggest" songs of the year with Jay-z, I don't think he was sending any shots, just stating the obvious, but like you said , niggas gon take shit outta context and make a story out of nothing.

 

[_Goldie_]

Why are niggas actin like it was a solo Future interview and he came outta no where like " Yo RD wasn't shit when it dropped!" , it was roundtable of niggas talking about top 5 dead or alive, niggas make cases for why rappers should and shouldn't be ranked over others all the fuckin time, why are yall niggas bitchin? Or did you not even see the video?

 

[grYmes]

I don't mind Future sayin what he said, it's just funny he speakin on somethin he'll never achieve. Timeless music.

All this just screams "I got nothin goin on right now music wise so.. here's some shit to keep y'all talkin". Mission accomplished.

Gonna disagree fam, even The 2Live Crew, Trick Daddy, MC Hammer, etc. May not have been the most lyrically inclined but they have hit records that are classic.

Nobody thought 10 years ago Future would be platinum or even make it past "Tony Montana" or "Ain't No Way Around It". Well look who's making headlines....

I don't knock him for what he's accomplished. It's just funny niggas value his opinion that much. Especially on something that's been said millions of times on here and everywhere else. That being said, still not a fan of his music but that's just me.

That don't mean I'm some lyrical fuckin snob that can't listen to rap that don't have "meaning" (I've been a fan of all them acts you listed at one time or another). I just don't fuck with THAT dude.

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

It don't got shit to do with it being future saying this shit. It's the fact that some of you use that bullshit logic to prove that an album isn't a classic, which makes no sense at all

 

[CashmoneyDux]

but is Future qualified to make that assertion? l,ao shout out to Beans

Are you? Let's compare your resume to Future's.

you argue like a bitch

There's no argument. It's called using their own logic against them.

He said Future's not qualified. I pointed out that Future is more qualified than everyone on this board, including him.

Keep up.

nah, its called a strawman.

Go back to school.

 

[illedout]

Reasonable Doubt is a classic album,

and Futures not denying that..

According to the video,

the point he's trying to make is that when Reasonable Doubt dropped,

NOBODY really paid it any attention because there were other artists that were bigger than Hov at the time- Nas, PAC, and Biggie..

I remember when Nas was clowning Jay cause Jay wasn't getting invites/free tickets to the award shows and other Hip Hop events- Jay couldn't get in the venue unless he copped tickets, because at the time Jay just wasn't as big as them..