"Even if I say yes, it doesn't mean I mean yes" - Feminists

[zombie]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

Because we're not looking at it alone

we don't have an experiment showing that one variable alone (feminism) is the cause of unequal rulings in family court

Desertrain claims patriarchy and benevolent sexism caused it

but she does not have the experiment showing this is the case either

it's like you're both saying that A existed around the time of B so it caused it

There's no evidence saying that feminism did not contribute and I would have to be fairly ignorant to think it did not, particularly in the evolution of abortion laws, but there are other factors that could have played a role

Evolutionary theory claims that men have a natural desire to protect women, so this could easily be a factor too when considering court rulings where women were favored

There is also a lot of evidence from psychology and sociology indicating that humans favor underdogs, so this could be a factor

America has become more liberal in general, this also correlates

There are too many variables

sophistry you are a master of it. evolutionary theory as a factor is bullshit men have been murdering women forever so clearly men don't have a natural desire to protect women. feminist fighting to change laws had a direct effect on society thus there is a direct cause. other factors could have played a role but i see no proof that they did i have more proof than you do.

More people die of disease and organ failure than murder

murder is not the norm

your claim is contradicted by societies that deem hitting women worse than hitting men and keep women out of the military

Your evidence is that you said there is a direct cause

many other things happened in that time

it is not a vacuum

Your evidence is the same kind as DesertTrain's

if you're right then she must be too

but this is unlikely because they're directly contradictory

In this society and most others men have not displayed some natural desire to protect women i don't care about some tribe in the bush they are outliers and i was just using murder as the most extreme example of men doing the exact opposite of what you claimed. women were kept out of the military as a matter of practicality and based on what was good for the society if was not because men felt the need to protect them. Hitting a woman is wrong for the same reason hitting a man weaker than you is.

Nothing may exist in a vacuum but you have no proof that any of these things have a direct effect in causing the problems that we are talking about. i however do have proof that feminist has effected society deserttrain and me both agree that feminism has affected society she thinks it's been positive i think it has been negative. There is no contradiction it's a matter of interpretation.

 

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

Because we're not looking at it alone

we don't have an experiment showing that one variable alone (feminism) is the cause of unequal rulings in family court

Desertrain claims patriarchy and benevolent sexism caused it

but she does not have the experiment showing this is the case either

it's like you're both saying that A existed around the time of B so it caused it

There's no evidence saying that feminism did not contribute and I would have to be fairly ignorant to think it did not, particularly in the evolution of abortion laws, but there are other factors that could have played a role

Evolutionary theory claims that men have a natural desire to protect women, so this could easily be a factor too when considering court rulings where women were favored

There is also a lot of evidence from psychology and sociology indicating that humans favor underdogs, so this could be a factor

America has become more liberal in general, this also correlates

There are too many variables

sophistry you are a master of it. evolutionary theory as a factor is bullshit men have been murdering women forever so clearly men don't have a natural desire to protect women. feminist fighting to change laws had a direct effect on society thus there is a direct cause. other factors could have played a role but i see no proof that they did i have more proof than you do.

More people die of disease and organ failure than murder

murder is not the norm

your claim is contradicted by societies that deem hitting women worse than hitting men and keep women out of the military

Your evidence is that you said there is a direct cause

many other things happened in that time

it is not a vacuum

Your evidence is the same kind as DesertTrain's

if you're right then she must be too

but this is unlikely because they're directly contradictory

In this society and most others men have not displayed some natural desire to protect women i don't care about some tribe in the bush they are outliers and i was just using murder as the most extreme example of men doing the exact opposite of what you claimed. women were kept out of the military as a matter of practicality and based on what was good for the society if was not because men felt the need to protect them. Hitting a woman is wrong for the same reason hitting a man weaker than you is.

Nothing may exist in a vacuum but you have no proof that any of these things have a direct effect in causing the problems that we are talking about. i however do have proof that feminist has effected society deserttrain and me both agree that feminism has affected society she thinks it's been positive i think it has been negative. There is no contradiction it's a matter of interpretation.

your claim was that the court rulings that favor women are due to feminism

she says patriarchy

that's not agreement

one is beneficial to women and one is beneficial to men

the two concepts are in direct opposition to each other

your proof is just you saying that feminism happened at the same time

That does not prove it is more causal than other variables mentioned

 

[PILL_COSBY]

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

It's not illogical to refrain from calling it a causal link. However, you aren't simply refraining. It seems like you're making the statement that it's not a causal link. And, unless you have proof to support that statement, it's no more logical than saying there is a causal link.

Yes it is

Ice cream sales correlate with murder

more ice cream sales in a region = more murder

however we all know ice cream does not cause murder

It's a fallacy to claim causation from correlation

Ummm are you having a comprehension problem or something? I'm not arguing with you that a correlation doesn't automatically mean their is a causal link, so your attempts to prove that are useless. I'm pointing out the fact that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation is not the same thing as correlation means no causation.

That's what I've been saying this whole time

I've not said it's impossible

just that the evidence available available does not indicate causation

Maybe I misunderstood you, but I could have sworn that you said there was no causation earlier. And that's what I was responding to, but I could have just got what you said wrong.

lol @ Biology being the reason for women being able to choose to abort a baby. It's your biological duty to carry the babies you create. They's why you're given a uterus. That's why your body changes to accommodate the baby. That's Biology. "I don't want to carry the baby because it's going to be a burden on me." Isn't a biological reason for women having abortions. Selfishness is.

And lmao @ declaring that if men don't want to have babies they should get a vasectomy and have safe sex, but not holding women to that same standard. If men have to live by those rules, why shouldn't women also?

Basically every time women defend feminism, their arguments break down to "We want equality and fairness when it benefits us and don't really care about it when it doesn't."

Again when it comes to child bearing this isn’t a matter of equality. This is a matter of biology

Not to mention things are already naturally unfair. The woman bears 98.9% of the effort of carrying and bearing a child

On the other hand men and women have equal potential to rise to the level of CEO. Yet women are shut out of these positions essentially because they are women. This is what feminist are fighting to change. You can't protest, legislate away biology. Men cannot carry a child to birth

Again, the biology is that both men and women make an equal genetic contribution to the creation of the child. The biology is that the female's body is designed to adapt to and nurture children. The biology is that sex exists for procreation and anytime you have sex you're taking the chance that you will create a baby. That's biology. This idea that women should have all the say in whether a child is born or not because they have to carry the baby is not biology. It's just selfishness. If you want to talk about biology, then once you're pregnant its your biological responsibility to carry that child. There is no intrinsic aspect of biology that supports going to a doctor and letting him/her kill the developing child. That's just bullshit women come up with to absolve themselves from their responsibilities. So stop talking about biology because biology isn't to blame for your ridiculously flawed reasoning.

Whether or not it's selfish is besides the point

Again...

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Pregnancy is life threatening, life altering experience

When a man can create and carry a child in his own womb, come back to me about equal rights for men

Again...

The fact remains that grown ass females with some sense know what their role is in the union. Therefore that doesn't give you the sole right to decide anything without the consent of the other half of the union. Are we talking about a sperm donor or a man the woman made an agreement to have a child with? SMH good luck at convincing a father that he should just stay out of the decision to kill his child or not because the woman changed her mind.........

Pregnancy "COULD" be life threatening but it usually isn't. People are getting pregnant left and right and very few are life threatening. Yes it is life altering but guess what? That's what you should think about as a grown ass woman before you began the "NATURAL" process of pregnancy. You are downplaying women's common sense and making it seem like they're naive children or something

Here we go again, this is beyond retarded!!!! Men have sperm(life) and woman have a womb(incubator of life). Your natural role in the union DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE SOLE RIGHT TO DO AS YOU PLEASE!! You aint special because you are doing what you're designed to do. If you don't FEEL like you should involve the other half of the child because you not FEELING the natural process anymore. Well boo hoo! IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU ANYMORE!!!! It's you, the life inside you, and the person who put it there. Bring up this selfish immature bird logic when women can create life without sperm. You are just digging a deeper hole for the movement.

 

[zombie]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

Because we're not looking at it alone

we don't have an experiment showing that one variable alone (feminism) is the cause of unequal rulings in family court

Desertrain claims patriarchy and benevolent sexism caused it

but she does not have the experiment showing this is the case either

it's like you're both saying that A existed around the time of B so it caused it

There's no evidence saying that feminism did not contribute and I would have to be fairly ignorant to think it did not, particularly in the evolution of abortion laws, but there are other factors that could have played a role

Evolutionary theory claims that men have a natural desire to protect women, so this could easily be a factor too when considering court rulings where women were favored

There is also a lot of evidence from psychology and sociology indicating that humans favor underdogs, so this could be a factor

America has become more liberal in general, this also correlates

There are too many variables

sophistry you are a master of it. evolutionary theory as a factor is bullshit men have been murdering women forever so clearly men don't have a natural desire to protect women. feminist fighting to change laws had a direct effect on society thus there is a direct cause. other factors could have played a role but i see no proof that they did i have more proof than you do.

More people die of disease and organ failure than murder

murder is not the norm

your claim is contradicted by societies that deem hitting women worse than hitting men and keep women out of the military

Your evidence is that you said there is a direct cause

many other things happened in that time

it is not a vacuum

Your evidence is the same kind as DesertTrain's

if you're right then she must be too

but this is unlikely because they're directly contradictory

In this society and most others men have not displayed some natural desire to protect women i don't care about some tribe in the bush they are outliers and i was just using murder as the most extreme example of men doing the exact opposite of what you claimed. women were kept out of the military as a matter of practicality and based on what was good for the society if was not because men felt the need to protect them. Hitting a woman is wrong for the same reason hitting a man weaker than you is.

Nothing may exist in a vacuum but you have no proof that any of these things have a direct effect in causing the problems that we are talking about. i however do have proof that feminist has effected society deserttrain and me both agree that feminism has affected society she thinks it's been positive i think it has been negative. There is no contradiction it's a matter of interpretation.

your claim was that the court rulings that favor women are due to feminism

she says patriarchy

that's not agreement

one is beneficial to women and one is beneficial to men

the two concepts are in direct opposition to each other

your proof is just you saying that feminism happened at the same time

That does not prove it is more causal than other variables mentioned

My proof is that femininst actually helped get laws changed other things happened around the same time as the femininst movement gained traction, but so the fuck what i can draw a direct connection between feminism and changes and you cannot do the same for any of those other factors.

The bolded is not really true and is also a matter of opinion, My claim is that feminism has negatively altered society i used court ruling as a symptom of that. unless you can come up with a serious rebuttal to my points i am done with you .saying that their could have been other factors with out explaining how these other factors are more likely than feminism to have influenced the creation of our current problems

is useless.

 

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

Because we're not looking at it alone

we don't have an experiment showing that one variable alone (feminism) is the cause of unequal rulings in family court

Desertrain claims patriarchy and benevolent sexism caused it

but she does not have the experiment showing this is the case either

it's like you're both saying that A existed around the time of B so it caused it

There's no evidence saying that feminism did not contribute and I would have to be fairly ignorant to think it did not, particularly in the evolution of abortion laws, but there are other factors that could have played a role

Evolutionary theory claims that men have a natural desire to protect women, so this could easily be a factor too when considering court rulings where women were favored

There is also a lot of evidence from psychology and sociology indicating that humans favor underdogs, so this could be a factor

America has become more liberal in general, this also correlates

There are too many variables

sophistry you are a master of it. evolutionary theory as a factor is bullshit men have been murdering women forever so clearly men don't have a natural desire to protect women. feminist fighting to change laws had a direct effect on society thus there is a direct cause. other factors could have played a role but i see no proof that they did i have more proof than you do.

More people die of disease and organ failure than murder

murder is not the norm

your claim is contradicted by societies that deem hitting women worse than hitting men and keep women out of the military

Your evidence is that you said there is a direct cause

many other things happened in that time

it is not a vacuum

Your evidence is the same kind as DesertTrain's

if you're right then she must be too

but this is unlikely because they're directly contradictory

In this society and most others men have not displayed some natural desire to protect women i don't care about some tribe in the bush they are outliers and i was just using murder as the most extreme example of men doing the exact opposite of what you claimed. women were kept out of the military as a matter of practicality and based on what was good for the society if was not because men felt the need to protect them. Hitting a woman is wrong for the same reason hitting a man weaker than you is.

Nothing may exist in a vacuum but you have no proof that any of these things have a direct effect in causing the problems that we are talking about. i however do have proof that feminist has effected society deserttrain and me both agree that feminism has affected society she thinks it's been positive i think it has been negative. There is no contradiction it's a matter of interpretation.

your claim was that the court rulings that favor women are due to feminism

she says patriarchy

that's not agreement

one is beneficial to women and one is beneficial to men

the two concepts are in direct opposition to each other

your proof is just you saying that feminism happened at the same time

That does not prove it is more causal than other variables mentioned

My proof is that femininst actually helped get laws changed other things happened around the same time as the femininst movement gained traction, but so the fuck what i can draw a direct connection between feminism and changes and you cannot do the same for any of those other factors.

The bolded is not really true and is also a matter of opinion, My claim is that feminism has negatively altered society i used court ruling as a symptom of that.

Patriarchy = a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line; a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Contradictory concepts

Your evidence is simply "A happened around the time of B so A caused B"

Further you haven't even dropped any numbers for court cases or shown how exactly men are being treated unfairly

 

[zombie]

@trashboat

Actually feminist don't have a solid definition of patriarchy and i am done with you. A directly lead to B. i am not dropping court cases and all that shit because your argument to me and any sane thinking person is sophistry

 

[LUClEN]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

 

[zombie]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Whether or not it's selfish is besides the point

Morals aside one could even argue a legal abortion is no different than wearing a condom...the desired result is the same

Again...

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Pregnancy is life threatening, life altering experience

Equal rights consist of things like all genders being able to vote, because everyone both men and women have the CAPACITY to vote, and should be able to vote. By not allowing a certain segment of society to vote, we are discriminating against them

When a man can create and carry a child in his own womb, come back to me about equal rights for men

1) Whether it's selfish or not is not besides the point. We're talking about rights that people should have. Women don't have the right to fulfill every selfish desire they may have.

2) Are you kidding me with the comparison you making? You wear condoms to prevent pregnancies. You get abortions to end pregnancies. The distinction between those two things is not a moral one, it's a biological one. In the first case there is no new human life and you're taking measures to stop that from happening. In the second case, you've created an early case of human life and you're destroying it.

3) My wife and I have a car in both of our names. She uses the car a lot more than I do. It has a much bigger affect on her life than it does on mine. That doesn't mean she can just go sell it without consulting me or without my permission. We both engaged in the act of buying it. We both contributed to purchasing it. We both get say in what happens to it regardless of which one of us is more strongly affected. The same goes with pregnancy. Both people consent to having sex. That's the act of "purchase." Both contribute DNA. That's the "money." Both should have some say in whether it's aborted or not. That's the "sell." Maybe the woman should have more say since she's more greatly affected, but the idea that she should be able to make the decision without regard to what the man wants at all is BS especially given that the decision can greatly affect the man's life.

4) You don't get to move the goal line as you see fit. This is what you and the rest of the feminists don't seem to get. You can't define what is a right based on what benefits you. Pregnancy is life altering, but so is bringing the child into the world. Whether or not the baby is born can have a huge effect on every aspect of a man's life so again, it's nonsense for you to act like the woman is the only one that has any real stake in the future of that decision is bullshit. You're so concerned with biology. There are general differences between men and women. Men are generally more physical capable, more logical in their thought processes, and are not subject to things like menstruation or pregnancy which can take women away from work or at the very least detract from her work. Those are all biological, so why is it not ok to screen workers based on those biological facts, but ok to deny rights based on the biology of who carries a child?

 

[LUClEN]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause

You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause

Methinks you've never been to college

 

[LUClEN]

Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them

Word to the second sex

 

[Ajackson17]

What's the current argument? Because if you can call anything rape then who really wants to be around you. You're dangerous for a guy with good intentions. If you can't make up your mind then you need to do some self revaluation.

 

[zombie]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause

You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause

Methinks you've never been to college

I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs were created

and methinks you are a teen age transgender idiot who thinks he's smart

 

[LUClEN]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause

You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause

Methinks you've never been to college

I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs was created

What wrongs?

Alimony? That's a response to the rise in divorce

As are custody disputes

 

[zombie]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause

You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause

Methinks you've never been to college

I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs was created

What wrongs?

Alimony? That's a response to the rise in divorce

As are custody disputes

It's not just alimony and child support laws,it's the whole way of thinking that these birds have now that leads to all this bullshit.

 

[LUClEN]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause

You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause

Methinks you've never been to college

I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs was created

What wrongs?

Alimony? That's a response to the rise in divorce

As are custody disputes

It's not just alimony and child support laws,it's the whole way of thinking that these birds have now that leads to all this bullshit.

Women are a minority in the legal system

They have far less impact than men and aside from those 2 things women aren't really favored in court

 

[zombie]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause

You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause

Methinks you've never been to college

I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs was created

What wrongs?

Alimony? That's a response to the rise in divorce

As are custody disputes

It's not just alimony and child support laws,it's the whole way of thinking that these birds have now that leads to all this bullshit.

Women are a minority in the legal system

They have far less impact than men and aside from those 2 things women aren't really favored in court

They do the same crime and get less time

 

[LUClEN]

Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy

My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause

You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause

Methinks you've never been to college

I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs was created

What wrongs?

Alimony? That's a response to the rise in divorce

As are custody disputes

It's not just alimony and child support laws,it's the whole way of thinking that these birds have now that leads to all this bullshit.

Women are a minority in the legal system

They have far less impact than men and aside from those 2 things women aren't really favored in court

They do the same crime and get less time

That existed long before Feminism it's been like that since the lizzy Borden case

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them

Word to the second sex

No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.

 

[LUClEN]

Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them

Word to the second sex

No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.

Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation

Pregnancy is physically debilitating

Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it

If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him

What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal