"Even if I say yes, it doesn't mean I mean yes" - Feminists

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Maybe this is where we disagree. Where do you see feminist extremists being embraced by other feminists? I've never, ever seen that. I've only ever seen feminist extremists be embraced by other extremists.

If you're not denouncing, you're embracing. To embrace something you don't have to get on a mountain and scream your support for all to hear. You only have to include it in what you're doing. Hell, the term "extreme feminist" by itself does just that. You can't say you don't embrace them, but also acknowledge they are part of your movement.

 

[zombie]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

 

[LordZuko]

If you look at the history of feminists from the early days, they always relied on half truths.

They talk about how much agency women lacked but fail to mention the role the temperance movement played in getting alcohol banned.

They want to talk about voting rights but they don't want to mention how even other women didn't want suffrage because they didn't want to be required to sign up for the draft, which is still the cost for males today.

Feminists want to talk about how women were treated as property but they don't mention how husbands were responsible for the shared property as well as the property that exclusively belonged to his wife that she was under no obligation to support the needs of the family with.

I can go on and on but feminists literally rely on people not knowing history in order to talk their bullshit.

Funny enough, none of it still has anything to do with Black females.

 

[Dupac]

 

[damobb2deep]

you can't counter logic with emotions. .. the moment feminist realize that they will be straight. ..

 

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

 

[The Lonious Monk]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

 

[zombie]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

It is enough i don't need to get down into the fucking details of everything i have common sense and logic and a internet connection. if you can't see how feminist thinking changed how women act and how they feel about men , how feminist affected the justice system then you just have not been educated on the matter. from abortion laws to divorce laws to even how the military operates feminist have fucked with a lot of shit. some for the better alot more for the worse of all parties concerned

 

[desertrain10]

@desertrain10

I have three questions.

1. Where was all the "sane" black feminist when the "extreme" black feminist went on national T.V and embarrassed the movement and our race AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!!? Like somebody said already, didn't see too many of these "sane" black feminist denouncing them. We mostly seen "you go girl!, talk to'em!!!". Now this was the worst blow to "SANE" black feminist ever. How come you guys didn't ban together and expose these lunatic THOTS in "sane" feminist clothing? where's the "sane" black feminist N.B.C special?

2. Since a lot of positive gentlemen(such as myself) have a lot of the same views(some are completely stupid though) on female equality as you. Can a male be a feminist too?

3. How would you feel about men starting a "masculinist" movement. It would focus on how men are

- Treated unfairly by women when it comes to paying the bill/tab on a date

- Treated unfairly during a pregnancy and having little say in the matter

- Treated unfairly by the law compared to women

- Paying more for our car insurance than women

- Treated unfairly in a fight with a women(physical, mental, or emotional)

- Treated unfairly when it comes to child custody and child support

- Treated unfairly when it comes to sexual advances in any form towards a woman depending on how she's feeling

- Looked down upon by most women for not having a car or not having their own place

- Expected to keep a cool head while woman act a complete fool

- Expected to treat a woman like gold, chase them, and try to impress them instead of it being the other way around

- Painted as cheaters and dead beat parents. While females are painted as fragile victims and the strong/loyal half

- Having our maturity lowered beneath a woman's level of maturity. When we see everyday that this is far from the truth.

1. You have to talk to NBC and the corporate media about that...and what television specials are u referring to?

2. Why not

3. Sure...Though I feel some of your grievance conflict with my own considering I believe a woman should have the right to terminate an early pregnancy without the consent of the father. But we do share a common foe: patriarchy

1. the one when those beautiful educated nubian queens was on. Talking about it's hard to find a black man that's on their same level(or above) in society. If they do find one they are either gay, intimidated by a successful woman, don't mess with sistas, or playas who don't want to get married etc etc. Women don't really need men anymore, we're taking over, black men don't know how to treat black women but white men do blah blah blah OH LOOK, IT'S STEVE HARVY!!. (You know witch one i'm talking about.)

2. I've often wondered why there's never any "straight" men involved with the movement. Plenty of guys(such as myself) think women getting paid less is beyond stupid amongst other things. I guess female empowerment can only be given by other women...... ... .. I guess fathers, brothers, or strong male figures in women's lives are not enough empowerment.

3. Wow, so what happened to the equality here? So how do you feel about a father choosing not to take care of the child or pay child support? It's weird how the "it takes two to make a baby" argument goes out the window depending on how the woman feels at the time.

I was dropping playful positive R.N.S in my other post. But I stand by my view on feminist logic. It's really about how women "feel" at a certain time and moment. Here's just a few examples:

- A guy you find attractive flirts with you(to any degree) it's cool. Ugly dude does this it will turn into harassment. He's thirsty, creepy, gets no pussy etc etc.

- A man calls a woman who is doing hoish/slutty things all the time a ho/slut, he's a woman hater. A woman does this same thing even if the woman hasn't really showed these qualities and nothing is said(a woman will call another woman a bitch, ho, nasty, and a slut before a man will). But here goes the funny part. If a woman doesn't like this particular woman then those men aren't woman bashers/haters all of a sudden.

- Destiny's child makes a video with buff oiled up half naked gyrating men, not one complaint. A male does this with females in his video. He's a nasty misogynists who doesn't respect women.

- A man makes a song about no good women and how he craps on them. Depending on if the female likes the song/artist or not will decide it's fate as women bashing or "dats my song!!!!!!"(starts twerking).

[video=youtube;8GA_0FM49qQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GA_0FM49qQ[/video]

[video=youtube;JXRN_LkCa_o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o[/video]

[video=youtube;AI0gk2KJeho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI0gk2KJeho[/video]

[video=youtube;vp1adNqCj3s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1adNqCj3s[/video]

[video=youtube;Bf4yHgXdjPY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf4yHgXdjPY[/video]

1. What does that NBC special have to do with feminism?

2. There are plenty of straight men who self identify as feminist

3. I would always consult with the father about having or not having an abortion. However we aren’t starting out on a level playing field, so the equality argument is a red herring. U don’t get to call equal rights just because you think they apply. Biology trumps the issue

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Equal rights consist of things like all genders being able to vote, because everyone has the capacity to vote, and should be able to vote. By not allowing a certain segment of society to vote, we are discriminating against them

When a man can create and carry a child in his own womb, come back to me about equal rights for men

Furthermore, u speak as if men are powerless in regard to impregnating women, and therefore need state intervention in order to remedy power imbalances, which is the furthest thing from the truth... arguing for men’s “right” to abortion and beyond, is to absolve men of all responsibility from necessary negotiation regarding sexual practices

Not to mention slavery in America a long time ago...women shouldn't be forced to abort something from their bodies without their consent. We aren't property

If you don't want to pay child support, get a vasectomy, practice safe sex

As far as the rest goes ...men and women appreciating the opposite sex is a natural thing. The problem is the matter and scale which women are objectified

But yes both sides have done and said some contradictory things

 

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

 

[zombie]

@desertrain10

I have three questions.

1. Where was all the "sane" black feminist when the "extreme" black feminist went on national T.V and embarrassed the movement and our race AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!!? Like somebody said already, didn't see too many of these "sane" black feminist denouncing them. We mostly seen "you go girl!, talk to'em!!!". Now this was the worst blow to "SANE" black feminist ever. How come you guys didn't ban together and expose these lunatic THOTS in "sane" feminist clothing? where's the "sane" black feminist N.B.C special?

2. Since a lot of positive gentlemen(such as myself) have a lot of the same views(some are completely stupid though) on female equality as you. Can a male be a feminist too?

3. How would you feel about men starting a "masculinist" movement. It would focus on how men are

- Treated unfairly by women when it comes to paying the bill/tab on a date

- Treated unfairly during a pregnancy and having little say in the matter

- Treated unfairly by the law compared to women

- Paying more for our car insurance than women

- Treated unfairly in a fight with a women(physical, mental, or emotional)

- Treated unfairly when it comes to child custody and child support

- Treated unfairly when it comes to sexual advances in any form towards a woman depending on how she's feeling

- Looked down upon by most women for not having a car or not having their own place

- Expected to keep a cool head while woman act a complete fool

- Expected to treat a woman like gold, chase them, and try to impress them instead of it being the other way around

- Painted as cheaters and dead beat parents. While females are painted as fragile victims and the strong/loyal half

- Having our maturity lowered beneath a woman's level of maturity. When we see everyday that this is far from the truth.

1. You have to talk to NBC and the corporate media about that...and what television specials are u referring to?

2. Why not

3. Sure...Though I feel some of your grievance conflict with my own considering I believe a woman should have the right to terminate an early pregnancy without the consent of the father. But we do share a common foe: patriarchy

1. the one when those beautiful educated nubian queens was on. Talking about it's hard to find a black man that's on their same level(or above) in society. If they do find one they are either gay, intimidated by a successful woman, don't mess with sistas, or playas who don't want to get married etc etc. Women don't really need men anymore, we're taking over, black men don't know how to treat black women but white men do blah blah blah OH LOOK, IT'S STEVE HARVY!!. (You know witch one i'm talking about.)

2. I've often wondered why there's never any "straight" men involved with the movement. Plenty of guys(such as myself) think women getting paid less is beyond stupid amongst other things. I guess female empowerment can only be given by other women...... ... .. I guess fathers, brothers, or strong male figures in women's lives are not enough empowerment.

3. Wow, so what happened to the equality here? So how do you feel about a father choosing not to take care of the child or pay child support? It's weird how the "it takes two to make a baby" argument goes out the window depending on how the woman feels at the time.

I was dropping playful positive R.N.S in my other post. But I stand by my view on feminist logic. It's really about how women "feel" at a certain time and moment. Here's just a few examples:

- A guy you find attractive flirts with you(to any degree) it's cool. Ugly dude does this it will turn into harassment. He's thirsty, creepy, gets no pussy etc etc.

- A man calls a woman who is doing hoish/slutty things all the time a ho/slut, he's a woman hater. A woman does this same thing even if the woman hasn't really showed these qualities and nothing is said(a woman will call another woman a bitch, ho, nasty, and a slut before a man will). But here goes the funny part. If a woman doesn't like this particular woman then those men aren't woman bashers/haters all of a sudden.

- Destiny's child makes a video with buff oiled up half naked gyrating men, not one complaint. A male does this with females in his video. He's a nasty misogynists who doesn't respect women.

- A man makes a song about no good women and how he craps on them. Depending on if the female likes the song/artist or not will decide it's fate as women bashing or "dats my song!!!!!!"(starts twerking).

[video=youtube;8GA_0FM49qQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GA_0FM49qQ[/video]

[video=youtube;JXRN_LkCa_o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o[/video]

[video=youtube;AI0gk2KJeho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI0gk2KJeho[/video]

[video=youtube;vp1adNqCj3s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1adNqCj3s[/video]

[video=youtube;Bf4yHgXdjPY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf4yHgXdjPY[/video]

1. What does that NBC special have to do with feminism?

2. There are plenty of straight men who self identify as feminist

3. I would always consult with the father about having or not having an abortion. However we aren’t starting out on a level playing field, so the equality argument is a red herring. U don’t get to call equal rights just because you think they apply. Biology trumps the issue

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Equal rights consist of things like all genders being able to vote, because everyone has the capacity to vote, and should be able to vote. By not allowing a certain segment of society to vote, we are discriminating against them

When a man can create and carry a child in his own womb, come back to me about equal rights for men

Furthermore, u speak as if men are powerless in regard to impregnating women, and therefore need state intervention in order to remedy power imbalances, which is the furthest thing from the truth... arguing for men’s “right” to abortion and beyond, is to absolve men of all responsibility from necessary negotiation regarding sexual practices

Not to mention slavery in America a long time ago...women shouldn't be forced to abort something from their bodies without their consent. We aren't property

If you don't want to pay child support, get a vasectomy, practice safe sex

As far as the rest goes ...men and women appreciating the opposite sex is a natural thing. The problem is the matter and scale which women are objectified

But yes both sides have done and said some contradictory things

Or you could just get an abortion it's easier and saves us both the trouble, better yet keep the baby but don't ask me for anything. It was your choice to keep the baby OR not those are your biological rights, ok fine but can you explain why a man should pay child support for a child he did not want in the first place if it's with a woman he's not married to?? why is that fair

 

[zombie]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

divorce and child laws do not correlate with desegregation. feminist were not concerned with desegregation however they did push for changes in divorce and family laws. in fact black women had to form their own movement to address their issues.

white women feminist would have been happy keeping segregation as long as their feminist policies got passed

 

[desertrain10]

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

tell that to any man who has to suffer under the family court system. or pay child support for children that are not his or pay alimony to a functional adult. or be forced to be a father to children he did not want In the first place

None of those problems have anything to do with feminists or feminism. It's actually quite the opposite if you think about it.

You guys seem to want to continue having a patriarchal society but get all sad when society forces you to do some patriarchal shit.

are you serious if those laws were supportive of patriarchy then they would not disadvantage men the way they do. before the feminist began their shit divorce was at it's low. and children had two parents living with them. so there is a connection between those laws and the feminist movement

The bias with the family court system and alimony laws largely stem from benevolent sexism/ patriarchal attitudes the women are meant to tend to the child/domestic duties and men are the providers

The same attitudes that make it harder for women to be taken seriously in the business world and political arena

At the end of the day men particularly white men benefit most

 

[The Lonious Monk]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

And I really can't see how anyone would argue about the double standard with abortion. There's no way you can believe in fairness between genders but think that men should have no say in whether the baby is kept or not.

 

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

divorce and child laws do not correlate with desegregation. feminist were not concerned with desegregation however they did push for changes in divorce and family laws. in fact black women had to form their own movement to address their issues.

white women feminist would have been happy keeping segregation as long as their feminist policies got passed

It preceded it therefore it caused it

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Hmmmmm i thought that's what she was already doing when she CHOSE to engage in sexual activity ...specifically allowing a man to bust a nut inside of her..........

 

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

 

[LUClEN]

on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.

tell that to any man who has to suffer under the family court system. or pay child support for children that are not his or pay alimony to a functional adult. or be forced to be a father to children he did not want In the first place

None of those problems have anything to do with feminists or feminism. It's actually quite the opposite if you think about it.

You guys seem to want to continue having a patriarchal society but get all sad when society forces you to do some patriarchal shit.

are you serious if those laws were supportive of patriarchy then they would not disadvantage men the way they do. before the feminist began their shit divorce was at it's low. and children had two parents living with them. so there is a connection between those laws and the feminist movement

The bias with the family court system and alimony laws largely stem from benevolent sexism/ patriarchal attitudes the women are meant to tend to the child/domestic duties and men are the providers

The same attitudes that make it harder for women to be taken seriously in the business world and political arena

At the end of the day men particularly white men benefit most

You also only have Correlation

 

[zombie]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

divorce and child laws do not correlate with desegregation. feminist were not concerned with desegregation however they did push for changes in divorce and family laws. in fact black women had to form their own movement to address their issues.

white women feminist would have been happy keeping segregation as long as their feminist policies got passed

It preceded it therefore it caused it

there is no cause and effect between the problems created by feminism and desegregation if there is prove it,

the fact that femenist did lobby and fight for certain laws to change or be created and these laws are currently having a negative effect on the society should be enough proof that feminism is in some way directly at fault.

a man not getting custody when he would be the better choice what the fuck does that have to do with desegregation.