"Even if I say yes, it doesn't mean I mean yes" - Feminists

[zombie]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation they are directly responsible for helping to change things

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

It's not illogical to refrain from calling it a causal link. However, you aren't simply refraining. It seems like you're making the statement that it's not a causal link. And, unless you have proof to support that statement, it's no more logical than saying there is a causal link.

 

[A$AP_A$TON]

They making a mockery of real rape.

 

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

Because we're not looking at it alone

we don't have an experiment showing that one variable alone (feminism) is the cause of unequal rulings in family court

Desertrain claims patriarchy and benevolent sexism caused it

but she does not have the experiment showing this is the case either

it's like you're both saying that A existed around the time of B so it caused it

There's no evidence saying that feminism did not contribute and I would have to be fairly ignorant to think it did not, particularly in the evolution of abortion laws, but there are other factors that could have played a role

Evolutionary theory claims that men have a natural desire to protect women, so this could easily be a factor too when considering court rulings where women were favored

There is also a lot of evidence from psychology and sociology indicating that humans favor underdogs, so this could be a factor

America has become more liberal in general, this also correlates

There are too many variables

 

[LUClEN]

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

It's not illogical to refrain from calling it a causal link. However, you aren't simply refraining. It seems like you're making the statement that it's not a causal link. And, unless you have proof to support that statement, it's no more logical than saying there is a causal link.

Yes it is

Ice cream sales correlate with murder

more ice cream sales in a region = more murder

however we all know ice cream does not cause murder

It's a fallacy to claim causation from correlation

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

It's not illogical to refrain from calling it a causal link. However, you aren't simply refraining. It seems like you're making the statement that it's not a causal link. And, unless you have proof to support that statement, it's no more logical than saying there is a causal link.

Yes it is

Ice cream sales correlate with murder

more ice cream sales in a region = more murder

however we all know ice cream does not cause murder

It's a fallacy to claim causation from correlation

Ummm are you having a comprehension problem or something? I'm not arguing with you that a correlation doesn't automatically mean their is a causal link, so your attempts to prove that are useless. I'm pointing out the fact that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation is not the same thing as correlation means no causation.

 

[zombie]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

Because we're not looking at it alone

we don't have an experiment showing that one variable alone (feminism) is the cause of unequal rulings in family court

Desertrain claims patriarchy and benevolent sexism caused it

but she does not have the experiment showing this is the case either

it's like you're both saying that A existed around the time of B so it caused it

There's no evidence saying that feminism did not contribute and I would have to be fairly ignorant to think it did not, particularly in the evolution of abortion laws, but there are other factors that could have played a role

Evolutionary theory claims that men have a natural desire to protect women, so this could easily be a factor too when considering court rulings where women were favored

There is also a lot of evidence from psychology and sociology indicating that humans favor underdogs, so this could be a factor

America has become more liberal in general, this also correlates

There are too many variables

sophistry you are a master of it. evolutionary theory as a factor is bullshit men have been murdering women forever so clearly men don't have a natural desire to protect women. feminist fighting to change laws had a direct effect on society thus there is a direct cause. other factors could have played a role but i see no proof that they did i have more proof than you do.

 

[Mister B.]

So this thread just proves what we already know:

Fuckin FemBot poochies have NO idea what they want.

(Awaits the angry reaction from a certain feminist and her super simp "protector")

 

[PILL_COSBY]

@desertrain10

1. You have to talk to NBC and the corporate media about that...and what television specials are u referring to?

2. Why not

3. Sure...Though I feel some of your grievance conflict with my own considering I believe a woman should have the right to terminate an early pregnancy without the consent of the father. But we do share a common foe: patriarchy

1. the one when those beautiful educated nubian queens was on. Talking about it's hard to find a black man that's on their same level(or above) in society. If they do find one they are either gay, intimidated by a successful woman, don't mess with sistas, or playas who don't want to get married etc etc. Women don't really need men anymore, we're taking over, black men don't know how to treat black women but white men do blah blah blah OH LOOK, IT'S STEVE HARVY!!. (You know witch one i'm talking about.)

2. I've often wondered why there's never any "straight" men involved with the movement. Plenty of guys(such as myself) think women getting paid less is beyond stupid amongst other things. I guess female empowerment can only be given by other women...... ... .. I guess fathers, brothers, or strong male figures in women's lives are not enough empowerment.

3. Wow, so what happened to the equality here? So how do you feel about a father choosing not to take care of the child or pay child support? It's weird how the "it takes two to make a baby" argument goes out the window depending on how the woman feels at the time.

I was dropping playful positive R.N.S in my other post. But I stand by my view on feminist logic. It's really about how women "feel" at a certain time and moment. Here's just a few examples:

- A guy you find attractive flirts with you(to any degree) it's cool. Ugly dude does this it will turn into harassment. He's thirsty, creepy, gets no pussy etc etc.

- A man calls a woman who is doing hoish/slutty things all the time a ho/slut, he's a woman hater. A woman does this same thing even if the woman hasn't really showed these qualities and nothing is said(a woman will call another woman a bitch, ho, nasty, and a slut before a man will). But here goes the funny part. If a woman doesn't like this particular woman then those men aren't woman bashers/haters all of a sudden.

- Destiny's child makes a video with buff oiled up half naked gyrating men, not one complaint. A male does this with females in his video. He's a nasty misogynists who doesn't respect women.

- A man makes a song about no good women and how he craps on them. Depending on if the female likes the song/artist or not will decide it's fate as women bashing or "dats my song!!!!!!"(starts twerking).

[video=youtube;8GA_0FM49qQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GA_0FM49qQ[/video]

[video=youtube;JXRN_LkCa_o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o[/video]

[video=youtube;AI0gk2KJeho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI0gk2KJeho[/video]

[video=youtube;vp1adNqCj3s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1adNqCj3s[/video]

[video=youtube;Bf4yHgXdjPY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf4yHgXdjPY[/video]

3. I would always consult with the father about having or not having an abortion. However we aren’t starting out on a level playing field, so the equality argument is a red herring. U don’t get to call equal rights just because you think they apply. Biology trumps the issue

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Equal rights consist of things like all genders being able to vote, because everyone has the capacity to vote, and should be able to vote. By not allowing a certain segment of society to vote, we are discriminating against them

When a man can create and carry a child in his own womb, come back to me about equal rights for men

Furthermore, u speak as if men are powerless in regard to impregnating women, and therefore need state intervention in order to remedy power imbalances, which is the furthest thing from the truth... arguing for men’s “right” to abortion and beyond, is to absolve men of all responsibility from necessary negotiation regarding sexual practices

If you don't want to pay child support, get a vasectomy, practice safe sex

As far as the rest goes ...men and women appreciating the opposite sex is a natural thing. The problem is the matter and scale which women are objectified

But yes both sides have done and said some contradictory things

LOL!!!!!!!!!! and this is a prime example of why I roll my eyes at most(not all) of the things that come out of feminist mouths. This whole post is a contradiction to the movement and lacks a whole lot of logic. It does nothing more than prove what I said about the movement. most of it(not all) Is basically based on how y'all feel at the moment.

Like I said, equality truly is not the theme of the movement. You pulling the biology card was beyond desperate. You seriously just cut the man out of the picture like he doesn't matter anymore. But when the baby is born(now away from the female body) the woman is still in control. Now if the man decides to not have anything to do with the child it's a cop out and he's running from responsibility? The woman is in complete control of the whole situation they equally created. Once again, it's how y'all feel in a situation. And lets not even go there with the "biology" argument, you really don't want to do that. This level of objectification proves it's about how y'all feel once again. You really messed up with the line I highlighted in red when you said "when a man can create a child". LOL a woman can't create a child on her own and neither can a man. man + woman = life and we both have a role to play. Just because you carry "our" child doesn't put you in charge of "our" situation. In a sense you are devaluing the mans worth while focusing on the woman's. That aint trying to be equal with men at all.

And with this, I rest my case. You have a blessed positive day you beautiful woman you.

shot out to @Jono I see you playa, I see you. PLAYA!!!! PLAYA!!!!

 

[The Lonious Monk]

lol @ Biology being the reason for women being able to choose to abort a baby. It's your biological duty to carry the babies you create. They's why you're given a uterus. That's why your body changes to accommodate the baby. That's Biology. "I don't want to carry the baby because it's going to be a burden on me." Isn't a biological reason for women having abortions. Selfishness is.

And lmao @ declaring that if men don't want to have babies they should get a vasectomy and have safe sex, but not holding women to that same standard. If men have to live by those rules, why shouldn't women also?

Basically every time women defend feminism, their arguments break down to "We want equality and fairness when it benefits us and don't really care about it when it doesn't."

 

[LUClEN]

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

It's not illogical to refrain from calling it a causal link. However, you aren't simply refraining. It seems like you're making the statement that it's not a causal link. And, unless you have proof to support that statement, it's no more logical than saying there is a causal link.

Yes it is

Ice cream sales correlate with murder

more ice cream sales in a region = more murder

however we all know ice cream does not cause murder

It's a fallacy to claim causation from correlation

Ummm are you having a comprehension problem or something? I'm not arguing with you that a correlation doesn't automatically mean their is a causal link, so your attempts to prove that are useless. I'm pointing out the fact that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation is not the same thing as correlation means no causation.

That's what I've been saying this whole time

I've not said it's impossible

just that the evidence available available does not indicate causation

 

[desertrain10]

lol @ Biology being the reason for women being able to choose to abort a baby. It's your biological duty to carry the babies you create. They's why you're given a uterus. That's why your body changes to accommodate the baby. That's Biology. "I don't want to carry the baby because it's going to be a burden on me." Isn't a biological reason for women having abortions. Selfishness is.

And lmao @ declaring that if men don't want to have babies they should get a vasectomy and have safe sex, but not holding women to that same standard. If men have to live by those rules, why shouldn't women also?

Basically every time women defend feminism, their arguments break down to "We want equality and fairness when it benefits us and don't really care about it when it doesn't."

Again when it comes to child bearing this isn’t a matter of equality. This is a matter of biology

Not to mention things are already naturally unfair. The woman bears 98.9% of the effort of carrying and bearing a child

On the other hand men and women have equal potential to rise to the level of CEO. Yet women are shut out of these positions essentially because they are women. This is what feminist are fighting to change. You can't protest, legislate away biology. Men cannot carry a child to birth

 

[PILL_COSBY]

Basically every time women defend feminism, their arguments break down to "We want equality and fairness when it benefits us and don't really care about it when it doesn't."

AND THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol @ Biology being the reason for women being able to choose to abort a baby. It's your biological duty to carry the babies you create. They's why you're given a uterus. That's why your body changes to accommodate the baby. That's Biology. "I don't want to carry the baby because it's going to be a burden on me." Isn't a biological reason for women having abortions. Selfishness is.

And lmao @ declaring that if men don't want to have babies they should get a vasectomy and have safe sex, but not holding women to that same standard. If men have to live by those rules, why shouldn't women also?

Basically every time women defend feminism, their arguments break down to "We want equality and fairness when it benefits us and don't really care about it when it doesn't."

Again when it comes to child bearing this isn’t a matter of equality. This is a matter of biology

Not to mention things are already naturally unfair. The woman bears 98.9% of the effort of carrying and bearing a child

On the other hand men and women have equal potential to rise to the level of CEO. Yet women are shut out of these positions essentially because they are women. This is what feminist are fighting to change. You can't protest, legislate away biology. Men cannot carry a child to birth

Once again, you just completely downplayed the male's roll. You just picked when you wanted the male to be involved. You speak of biology like the man's sperm had nothing to do with the life growing inside the woman. You can't do any of this without the man's help. THAT'S NOT YOUR CHILD, IT'S BOTH HIS AND YOURS!!!! You are just carrying it because that's how it works. This has nothing to do with men being unfair it's nature. You gone start a movement against nature now? LOL at a woman carrying a person with half my D.N.A calling all the shots because she's fulfilling her part of the process.

This is why we don't take feminist serious. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything else. You sound selfish and a bit crazy right now. Take the L and keep it moving or just keep making yourselves look like you don't have good sense. Or you can just admit that this movement isn't what it's all cracked up to be.

 

[englishdude]

Women, always wanting equal rights till you swing back on them.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

It's not illogical to refrain from calling it a causal link. However, you aren't simply refraining. It seems like you're making the statement that it's not a causal link. And, unless you have proof to support that statement, it's no more logical than saying there is a causal link.

Yes it is

Ice cream sales correlate with murder

more ice cream sales in a region = more murder

however we all know ice cream does not cause murder

It's a fallacy to claim causation from correlation

Ummm are you having a comprehension problem or something? I'm not arguing with you that a correlation doesn't automatically mean their is a causal link, so your attempts to prove that are useless. I'm pointing out the fact that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation is not the same thing as correlation means no causation.

That's what I've been saying this whole time

I've not said it's impossible

just that the evidence available available does not indicate causation

Maybe I misunderstood you, but I could have sworn that you said there was no causation earlier. And that's what I was responding to, but I could have just got what you said wrong.

lol @ Biology being the reason for women being able to choose to abort a baby. It's your biological duty to carry the babies you create. They's why you're given a uterus. That's why your body changes to accommodate the baby. That's Biology. "I don't want to carry the baby because it's going to be a burden on me." Isn't a biological reason for women having abortions. Selfishness is.

And lmao @ declaring that if men don't want to have babies they should get a vasectomy and have safe sex, but not holding women to that same standard. If men have to live by those rules, why shouldn't women also?

Basically every time women defend feminism, their arguments break down to "We want equality and fairness when it benefits us and don't really care about it when it doesn't."

Again when it comes to child bearing this isn’t a matter of equality. This is a matter of biology

Not to mention things are already naturally unfair. The woman bears 98.9% of the effort of carrying and bearing a child

On the other hand men and women have equal potential to rise to the level of CEO. Yet women are shut out of these positions essentially because they are women. This is what feminist are fighting to change. You can't protest, legislate away biology. Men cannot carry a child to birth

Again, the biology is that both men and women make an equal genetic contribution to the creation of the child. The biology is that the female's body is designed to adapt to and nurture children. The biology is that sex exists for procreation and anytime you have sex you're taking the chance that you will create a baby. That's biology. This idea that women should have all the say in whether a child is born or not because they have to carry the baby is not biology. It's just selfishness. If you want to talk about biology, then once you're pregnant its your biological responsibility to carry that child. There is no intrinsic aspect of biology that supports going to a doctor and letting him/her kill the developing child. That's just bullshit women come up with to absolve themselves from their responsibilities. So stop talking about biology because biology isn't to blame for your ridiculously flawed reasoning.

 

[LUClEN]

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

That's correlative not causal

Women also made less and could not support themselves before

But once again it's only correlative not causal

that should be enough

Correlation is not enough

Ridiculous claim is ridiculous

Well you're not exactly any better. You're making that absolute statement that it's not causal, and unless I missed it, I don't see where you provided any information that supports. So as it stands we have information that supports a link between the rise of feminism and a lot of bad shit happening, and nothing that supports or disputes the idea that the rise of feminism caused all that bad shit. That's still not a picture that looks good for feminism.

Desegregation correlates too

Guess that also cause it

This is an absolutely meaningless post because I didn't say that feminism caused the problems. I just said there is a link and that you shouldn't be acting so high and mighty about your use of logic since you're making a similar logical mistake i.e., assuming that feminism isn't the cause with nothing to prove that.

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

If the femininst helped changed the laws and public outlook how is there no evidence of causation.

Because we're not looking at it alone

we don't have an experiment showing that one variable alone (feminism) is the cause of unequal rulings in family court

Desertrain claims patriarchy and benevolent sexism caused it

but she does not have the experiment showing this is the case either

it's like you're both saying that A existed around the time of B so it caused it

There's no evidence saying that feminism did not contribute and I would have to be fairly ignorant to think it did not, particularly in the evolution of abortion laws, but there are other factors that could have played a role

Evolutionary theory claims that men have a natural desire to protect women, so this could easily be a factor too when considering court rulings where women were favored

There is also a lot of evidence from psychology and sociology indicating that humans favor underdogs, so this could be a factor

America has become more liberal in general, this also correlates

There are too many variables

sophistry you are a master of it. evolutionary theory as a factor is bullshit men have been murdering women forever so clearly men don't have a natural desire to protect women. feminist fighting to change laws had a direct effect on society thus there is a direct cause. other factors could have played a role but i see no proof that they did i have more proof than you do.

More people die of disease and organ failure than murder

murder is not the norm

your claim is contradicted by societies that deem hitting women worse than hitting men and keep women out of the military

Your evidence is that you said there is a direct cause

many other things happened in that time

it is not a vacuum

Your evidence is the same kind as DesertTrain's

if you're right then she must be too

but this is unlikely because they're directly contradictory

 

[desertrain10]

@desertrain10

1. You have to talk to NBC and the corporate media about that...and what television specials are u referring to?

2. Why not

3. Sure...Though I feel some of your grievance conflict with my own considering I believe a woman should have the right to terminate an early pregnancy without the consent of the father. But we do share a common foe: patriarchy

1. the one when those beautiful educated nubian queens was on. Talking about it's hard to find a black man that's on their same level(or above) in society. If they do find one they are either gay, intimidated by a successful woman, don't mess with sistas, or playas who don't want to get married etc etc. Women don't really need men anymore, we're taking over, black men don't know how to treat black women but white men do blah blah blah OH LOOK, IT'S STEVE HARVY!!. (You know witch one i'm talking about.)

2. I've often wondered why there's never any "straight" men involved with the movement. Plenty of guys(such as myself) think women getting paid less is beyond stupid amongst other things. I guess female empowerment can only be given by other women...... ... .. I guess fathers, brothers, or strong male figures in women's lives are not enough empowerment.

3. Wow, so what happened to the equality here? So how do you feel about a father choosing not to take care of the child or pay child support? It's weird how the "it takes two to make a baby" argument goes out the window depending on how the woman feels at the time.

I was dropping playful positive R.N.S in my other post. But I stand by my view on feminist logic. It's really about how women "feel" at a certain time and moment. Here's just a few examples:

- A guy you find attractive flirts with you(to any degree) it's cool. Ugly dude does this it will turn into harassment. He's thirsty, creepy, gets no pussy etc etc.

- A man calls a woman who is doing hoish/slutty things all the time a ho/slut, he's a woman hater. A woman does this same thing even if the woman hasn't really showed these qualities and nothing is said(a woman will call another woman a bitch, ho, nasty, and a slut before a man will). But here goes the funny part. If a woman doesn't like this particular woman then those men aren't woman bashers/haters all of a sudden.

- Destiny's child makes a video with buff oiled up half naked gyrating men, not one complaint. A male does this with females in his video. He's a nasty misogynists who doesn't respect women.

- A man makes a song about no good women and how he craps on them. Depending on if the female likes the song/artist or not will decide it's fate as women bashing or "dats my song!!!!!!"(starts twerking).

[video=youtube;8GA_0FM49qQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GA_0FM49qQ[/video]

[video=youtube;JXRN_LkCa_o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o[/video]

[video=youtube;AI0gk2KJeho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI0gk2KJeho[/video]

[video=youtube;vp1adNqCj3s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1adNqCj3s[/video]

[video=youtube;Bf4yHgXdjPY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf4yHgXdjPY[/video]

3. I would always consult with the father about having or not having an abortion. However we aren’t starting out on a level playing field, so the equality argument is a red herring. U don’t get to call equal rights just because you think they apply. Biology trumps the issue

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Equal rights consist of things like all genders being able to vote, because everyone has the capacity to vote, and should be able to vote. By not allowing a certain segment of society to vote, we are discriminating against them

When a man can create and carry a child in his own womb, come back to me about equal rights for men

Furthermore, u speak as if men are powerless in regard to impregnating women, and therefore need state intervention in order to remedy power imbalances, which is the furthest thing from the truth... arguing for men’s “right” to abortion and beyond, is to absolve men of all responsibility from necessary negotiation regarding sexual practices

If you don't want to pay child support, get a vasectomy, practice safe sex

As far as the rest goes ...men and women appreciating the opposite sex is a natural thing. The problem is the matter and scale which women are objectified

But yes both sides have done and said some contradictory things

LOL!!!!!!!!!! and this is a prime example of why I roll my eyes at most(not all) of the things that come out of feminist mouths. This whole post is a contradiction to the movement and lacks a whole lot of logic. It does nothing more than prove what I said about the movement. most of it(not all) Is basically based on how y'all feel at the moment.

Like I said, equality truly is not the theme of the movement. You pulling the biology card was beyond desperate. You seriously just cut the man out of the picture like he doesn't matter anymore. But when the baby is born(now away from the female body) the woman is still in control. Now if the man decides to not have anything to do with the child it's a cop out and he's running from responsibility? The woman is in complete control of the whole situation they equally created. Once again, it's how y'all feel in a situation. And lets not even go there with the "biology" argument, you really don't want to do that. This level of objectification proves it's about how y'all feel once again. You really messed up with the line I highlighted in red when you said "when a man can create a child". LOL a woman can't create a child on her own and neither can a man. man + woman = life and we both have a role to play. Just because you carry "our" child doesn't put you in charge of "our" situation. In a sense you are devaluing the mans worth while focusing on the woman's. That aint trying to be equal with men at all.

And with this, I rest my case. You have a blessed positive day you beautiful woman you.

shot out to @Jono I see you playa, I see you. PLAYA!!!! PLAYA!!!!

Desperate? Lol

I'm just stating the obvious bruh

Anyways ur beef isn't with feminism but with people, women in general

 

[PILL_COSBY]

@desertrain10

1. You have to talk to NBC and the corporate media about that...and what television specials are u referring to?

2. Why not

3. Sure...Though I feel some of your grievance conflict with my own considering I believe a woman should have the right to terminate an early pregnancy without the consent of the father. But we do share a common foe: patriarchy

1. the one when those beautiful educated nubian queens was on. Talking about it's hard to find a black man that's on their same level(or above) in society. If they do find one they are either gay, intimidated by a successful woman, don't mess with sistas, or playas who don't want to get married etc etc. Women don't really need men anymore, we're taking over, black men don't know how to treat black women but white men do blah blah blah OH LOOK, IT'S STEVE HARVY!!. (You know witch one i'm talking about.)

2. I've often wondered why there's never any "straight" men involved with the movement. Plenty of guys(such as myself) think women getting paid less is beyond stupid amongst other things. I guess female empowerment can only be given by other women...... ... .. I guess fathers, brothers, or strong male figures in women's lives are not enough empowerment.

3. Wow, so what happened to the equality here? So how do you feel about a father choosing not to take care of the child or pay child support? It's weird how the "it takes two to make a baby" argument goes out the window depending on how the woman feels at the time.

I was dropping playful positive R.N.S in my other post. But I stand by my view on feminist logic. It's really about how women "feel" at a certain time and moment. Here's just a few examples:

- A guy you find attractive flirts with you(to any degree) it's cool. Ugly dude does this it will turn into harassment. He's thirsty, creepy, gets no pussy etc etc.

- A man calls a woman who is doing hoish/slutty things all the time a ho/slut, he's a woman hater. A woman does this same thing even if the woman hasn't really showed these qualities and nothing is said(a woman will call another woman a bitch, ho, nasty, and a slut before a man will). But here goes the funny part. If a woman doesn't like this particular woman then those men aren't woman bashers/haters all of a sudden.

- Destiny's child makes a video with buff oiled up half naked gyrating men, not one complaint. A male does this with females in his video. He's a nasty misogynists who doesn't respect women.

- A man makes a song about no good women and how he craps on them. Depending on if the female likes the song/artist or not will decide it's fate as women bashing or "dats my song!!!!!!"(starts twerking).

[video=youtube;8GA_0FM49qQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GA_0FM49qQ[/video]

[video=youtube;JXRN_LkCa_o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o[/video]

[video=youtube;AI0gk2KJeho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI0gk2KJeho[/video]

[video=youtube;vp1adNqCj3s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1adNqCj3s[/video]

[video=youtube;Bf4yHgXdjPY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf4yHgXdjPY[/video]

3. I would always consult with the father about having or not having an abortion. However we aren’t starting out on a level playing field, so the equality argument is a red herring. U don’t get to call equal rights just because you think they apply. Biology trumps the issue

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Equal rights consist of things like all genders being able to vote, because everyone has the capacity to vote, and should be able to vote. By not allowing a certain segment of society to vote, we are discriminating against them

When a man can create and carry a child in his own womb, come back to me about equal rights for men

Furthermore, u speak as if men are powerless in regard to impregnating women, and therefore need state intervention in order to remedy power imbalances, which is the furthest thing from the truth... arguing for men’s “right” to abortion and beyond, is to absolve men of all responsibility from necessary negotiation regarding sexual practices

If you don't want to pay child support, get a vasectomy, practice safe sex

As far as the rest goes ...men and women appreciating the opposite sex is a natural thing. The problem is the matter and scale which women are objectified

But yes both sides have done and said some contradictory things

LOL!!!!!!!!!! and this is a prime example of why I roll my eyes at most(not all) of the things that come out of feminist mouths. This whole post is a contradiction to the movement and lacks a whole lot of logic. It does nothing more than prove what I said about the movement. most of it(not all) Is basically based on how y'all feel at the moment.

Like I said, equality truly is not the theme of the movement. You pulling the biology card was beyond desperate. You seriously just cut the man out of the picture like he doesn't matter anymore. But when the baby is born(now away from the female body) the woman is still in control. Now if the man decides to not have anything to do with the child it's a cop out and he's running from responsibility? The woman is in complete control of the whole situation they equally created. Once again, it's how y'all feel in a situation. And lets not even go there with the "biology" argument, you really don't want to do that. This level of objectification proves it's about how y'all feel once again. You really messed up with the line I highlighted in red when you said "when a man can create a child". LOL a woman can't create a child on her own and neither can a man. man + woman = life and we both have a role to play. Just because you carry "our" child doesn't put you in charge of "our" situation. In a sense you are devaluing the mans worth while focusing on the woman's. That aint trying to be equal with men at all.

And with this, I rest my case. You have a blessed positive day you beautiful woman you.

shot out to @Jono I see you playa, I see you. PLAYA!!!! PLAYA!!!!

Desperate? Lol

I'm just stating the obvious bruh

Anyways ur beef isn't with feminism but with people, women in general

Women who aren't feminist don't tend to say selfish things like this. I don't have a problem with women at all. I have a problem with bull shit logic that feminist always seem to be spewing out. Don't know where you get the implication that I have a problem with women in general. I've told men on here that they were using bull shit logic a bunch of times before. How come I don't have a problem with men "in general"?

Let me flip the situation around just to show your bull shit logic. So sense you don't feel the man should have any say in a life he helped create. I guess you have a problem with men in general?

You proved my point once again with this reply.

 

[desertrain10]

It is not illogical to refrain from calling a Correlation a causal link when there is no evidence of causation

There are many other variables that correlate and could contribute

It's not illogical to refrain from calling it a causal link. However, you aren't simply refraining. It seems like you're making the statement that it's not a causal link. And, unless you have proof to support that statement, it's no more logical than saying there is a causal link.

Yes it is

Ice cream sales correlate with murder

more ice cream sales in a region = more murder

however we all know ice cream does not cause murder

It's a fallacy to claim causation from correlation

Ummm are you having a comprehension problem or something? I'm not arguing with you that a correlation doesn't automatically mean their is a causal link, so your attempts to prove that are useless. I'm pointing out the fact that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation is not the same thing as correlation means no causation.

That's what I've been saying this whole time

I've not said it's impossible

just that the evidence available available does not indicate causation

Maybe I misunderstood you, but I could have sworn that you said there was no causation earlier. And that's what I was responding to, but I could have just got what you said wrong.

lol @ Biology being the reason for women being able to choose to abort a baby. It's your biological duty to carry the babies you create. They's why you're given a uterus. That's why your body changes to accommodate the baby. That's Biology. "I don't want to carry the baby because it's going to be a burden on me." Isn't a biological reason for women having abortions. Selfishness is.

And lmao @ declaring that if men don't want to have babies they should get a vasectomy and have safe sex, but not holding women to that same standard. If men have to live by those rules, why shouldn't women also?

Basically every time women defend feminism, their arguments break down to "We want equality and fairness when it benefits us and don't really care about it when it doesn't."

Again when it comes to child bearing this isn’t a matter of equality. This is a matter of biology

Not to mention things are already naturally unfair. The woman bears 98.9% of the effort of carrying and bearing a child

On the other hand men and women have equal potential to rise to the level of CEO. Yet women are shut out of these positions essentially because they are women. This is what feminist are fighting to change. You can't protest, legislate away biology. Men cannot carry a child to birth

Again, the biology is that both men and women make an equal genetic contribution to the creation of the child. The biology is that the female's body is designed to adapt to and nurture children. The biology is that sex exists for procreation and anytime you have sex you're taking the chance that you will create a baby. That's biology. This idea that women should have all the say in whether a child is born or not because they have to carry the baby is not biology. It's just selfishness. If you want to talk about biology, then once you're pregnant its your biological responsibility to carry that child. There is no intrinsic aspect of biology that supports going to a doctor and letting him/her kill the developing child. That's just bullshit women come up with to absolve themselves from their responsibilities. So stop talking about biology because biology isn't to blame for your ridiculously flawed reasoning.

Whether or not it's selfish is besides the point

Morals aside one could even argue a legal abortion is no different than wearing a condom...the desired result is the same

Again...

Yes both men and women contribute to the biology of the fetus, however fact remains the choice to have or not to have a child significantly affects the biology of a woman not the man, therefore she should be able to make that decision for herself

Pregnancy is life threatening, life altering experience

Equal rights consist of things like all genders being able to vote, because everyone both men and women have the CAPACITY to vote, and should be able to vote. By not allowing a certain segment of society to vote, we are discriminating against them

When a man can create and carry a child in his own womb, come back to me about equal rights for men

 

[blakfyahking]

I see the sexism even in here that feminists complain about

I see poor @desertrain10 getting "gangbanged" unwillingly from all sides with logic haha

women have just as much opportunity to become CEO as other minorities do..........so feminism is really unnecessary on that note when civil rights movements already exist

especially considering that black women as not discriminated against socially as much as black men already are