Eminem Lyrically Is Better Than Biggie...

[jhannibal]

another thread hijacks by toopak faggot ass stans.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Basically it is like this some legends are so while living and others do not become so untill death, Pac while Living was a legend the world press tracked his every move he was constantly talked about outside of music, he came from a still legendary family etc... Biggies became a legend after death in large part due to being connected to Pacs Living Legend he never was talked about outside of music till he died and even then it was all tied to Tupacs legend and their Deaths. Again ! legend while Living the other became Legend in death...

I feel you family...

biggie was never talked about til after his death? i mean really? biggie wasn't popping in the mid 90's? and yes you're right there are some legends that became legendary after their death (william shakespeare) but that doesn't apply to biggie at all. even before he died he was already considered one of the best of all time and this was while hip hop was less than 20 years old.

I feel you family...

Reading is Fundamental Biggie was not talked about outside of Music till after he died unless it was mentioning him in a list of people Pac was beefing with he was not a legend till he died Pac was in life anyone who was paying attention nationlly and even internationally in the 90's knows this learn to deal...

I respectfully Disagree with your position and do not see taht as so during his life but hold true to my initial assement of it only occuring for biggie with death as their were those during his era in NYC and other areas that did each of the things and better. Hasd Biggie Not died Nas would have took the NYC crown but it is impossible to fight a ghost and Puffy knew that with his marketing and connection the Crown was Given without dispute becuase of that Death. Again Biggies legend comes from pacs Coattail and his untimely death...

reading is fundamental biggie was talked about in other ways besides the beef with pac, and i love how you worded it, like both big and pac weren't joined at the hip during the east/west beef. and let me add that biggie did not need to piggyback off pac like you're insinuating to be considered a legend, he did through his own merits. so lets kill that noise.

Truth hurts I know and if you like the way I worded it then you would have take the time to respond based on what I said and not how you felt about it. Biggie was not talked about nationally or internationally outside of music while he was alive unless it was a mention in the list of people Tupac had issue with saying different is a damn lie. Biggies status in Pop culture to this day is only as one of Pacs adversaries, Pac while alive was talked about for years before the beef inside and out ide of music his family is internationally known his legend was cemented while alive, Biggies got a legendary status on pacs coattail after death and those are the facts no matter how you feel none of those emotions will change those facts...

even though this is a flatout lie, lets go by your logic isn't biggie a rapper that makes music, so what else should he be talked about? with that out the way define "outside of music" because maybe our definitions are mixed up.

revionist historian right here.

delusional comment right here

even during his digital underground days? even when his albums were barely selling? another revionist history post right here. where around the world is pac's family known, you talking like they're the royal family in engalnd.

big's legend was cemented before he died based on his body of work, so stop hating, and those aren't facts those are delusional and twisted opinions.

Alright simple way to prove you are right pull up some News reports or non music interviews made about or by him while he was alive...

If you cannot do that I am right and you are living the revisionist history...

As to Pac and his Family maybe it is because I grew up and paid attention to the struggle, but I Heard of Mutulu and Assata before I ever heard of Pac and yes I remember watching a story on cnn in 93 about Pac and his Family so try again with the delusional stan revison shit because Biggie does not have those type of Legendary roots...

biggie was a rapper and he made music so what else should he be talked about for doing? i really dont understand how this is relevant to whether biggie was a hip hop legend or not. we're arguing about pac being the reason biggie was a legend, which is a lie, biggie through his own music and impact in the genre is what made him a legend, not some dumb beef with tupac.

Nice side stepping you tried to make a point but have nothing factual to prove it with now your dodging and talking around your argument trying to go a new direction. Man Up own you fucked up in the argument and keep it moving you just look like a jack ass with this spin shit. My initial statement holds true unless you have some type of proof he was talked about outside of music before his death as brother Shakur was. His status as a legend was made through Death and in life he was a stray line by a reporter talking about Tupac outside of music learn to deal...

exactly

i'm surprised you agree with me

how did i sidestep? i said that biggie was popping in the mid 90's and he was talked about in other ways besides a beef with tupac, then you tried to sidestep by talking about pac being talked about outside of music and how big wasn't talked about outside of music which i didn't deny. you said biggie was only talked about as apart of the many rappers pac was beefing with in 96, like biggie wasn't the face of the east like pac wasn't the face of the west during the east/west rivalry.

now i have no idea why you're hellbent on me proving whether biggie was talked about outside of music.

1st off my original statement that you responded to
your response to that was

I reitereated it again very clear wording

Now you have take it to other places after you could not substantiate your claims and are ignoring what I actually said so keep spinning eventually you will get dizzy...

for the record...

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

I'm listening to your argument in regards to Biggie not being mentioned on a national stage as much as Pac. You are correct, Pac was more famous, but I would have to disagree that Biggie did not become a Legend until he died. I'm not sure if you guys just read through past history or actually lived it. Now back in the early 90's before the advent of mass internet in every household popularity was garnered a couple of ways, One being word of mouth. The hip hop community being much closer knit at the time, The Dj's played a vital role for establishing artist. Provided that "Sean Combs" was in Biggies corner, Every DJ in all areas had wind of Biggie. Puff had the machine behind him. Was Big talented? Of course he was but that "machine" pushed him to the front of the pack out of NY rappers at the time. I was living in NYC and anyone old enough to be in the scene would agree with me... I remember hearing a Big L mixtape and I wish I still had it, but it had Big L flowing on that "One more chance" sample I think it's an sample of El Debarge. It started to catch a little buzz, next thing you know, Biggie had the same sample much more cleaner and more friendly for the radio. All the Dj's got it and L's version was gone.. I say that to say, Big had someone well known in the hip hop community crafting his career it's foolish to think that he was not going to rise to the top with his talent.

As far as Pac goes, let's be clear, Pac was not well known in other circles for his music at the time but for the extra curricular that was going on . Pac gained nationally attention when one of the most popular pop artist at the time "Janet Jackson" refused to be in a film with him "Poetic Justice" unless he had an Aids test. This was not to far from the time that Magic came out that he had the Monster. That publicity gave Pac light. I believe that same year Pac was arrested for shooting two off duty police officers in Atlanta. The news caught wind and all hell broke loose. They started doing background checks on the cat and it was confirmed that his Mother was part of the Black Panthers and so forth and it created in image of Pac that became menacing to "White folk". He actually got off on the charges with the Cops but ended up getting caught with another charge of Rape. All this happened within a year and a half to two year span... So once again I say all that to say Pac was not known in outside circles for his music but for his extracurriculars... That's the only difference between the two homeboy... I can't see you refuting this...

Actually your close to correct but still off on Shit Tupacs national attention outside of Music Circles came well before The Janet Incident or Cop Shootin. I can tell you either did not live it, have a bad memory or just are biased trying to spin shit, In 91 he was attacked while jay Walking by Police officers and had a pending Lawsuit also that same Year. In 92 he had got major attention from the world Media due a kid claiming his 1st album motivated him in killing a cop, he had a incident at a show where a young child was shot then Dan Quayle was making a attack on Pac's music stating "it had no place in our society" Which he actually used as a a sample on his 93 album S4MN During this same time. Again CNN did a report about shakur and his family right around the time his second album came out where they talked about this HipHop star and why he got so much non music attention. The statement about Janet wanting him to do Aids test came well after the movie came out when he was talking in Hindsight about doing the movie. Pac Shared 93 with Snoop because during that year every other song requested was from one of them saying he was not well known Musically as well shows your lack of 1st hand Knowledge and judging by your sign up date and post count that you are most likely someone emergency cosign alias...

In 94 Biggie was just another rapper with the Machine behind him He was a Clive Davis Product and everyone who was ever involved in the industry then to Now Knows Clive still to this day is major in the Music Industry, Sean Was Clives House Negro and was given badboy pretty much because of his relationship with Clive, Yeah Biggie had the radio on Lock But I was in and out of LA when Biggie 1st dropped his presence while hella pushed was not like that of Local artists who were played by request he was in no way considered Legendary over here at that time he was just another radio rapper. Biggie was talented but so were many others he was the latest machine product and he was promoted and payola'd into many hearts, As I have continued to state to the world Biggie was just another Rapper during his Life only mention outside of Music when Talking about Tupac, While Tupac had Transcended and became Legendary in Life not only for his Musical Content but also for Many Public Interactions and Familys Political History. Not recognisng or acknowledging those facts do not change them and anyone who lived during that time and was old enough to pay attention and understand saying different is Lying...

After reading your rebuttal it further demonstrates your hearsay and being out of touch with what was going on at the times... Going on the web and Googling exact dates do not impress me or anybody else on the IC for that matter. The timeline I gave is strictly off the dome. Once again, I was old enough to know the times. Now if you telling me that Pac was a huge star in 92 then I know for a fact that you are just researcher...LOL... Pac was doing the humpty dance with Ditigal underground in what 90-91? Furthermore, Pac was not the only rapper getting attention from the media in regards to rap musics influence. Ice-T had "Cop Killer" and before that Public Enemies own "Flava Flav" had "911 is a joke". It was a big misnomer at the time that rap music influenced kids behavior. The movie CB4 demonstrated that. All those songs gained national attention as well. Actually anything that could put Rap in a bad light did. You say Pac was so well known, how come he didn't even come close to reaching top ten when the album was released? Pac's S4MN came out in 93, That's the same year Poetic Justice came out. Also it's the same year that he was accused of shooting 2 officers as well as catching a rape case. So after all that happening in one year, it's safe to say people knew who he was. When all those things happened like I said before, That's when CNN started to really start talking about Pac and his family... You say they interviewed his family when his Album came out, that's just not true...LOL.. They media tried to correlate Pac's lifestyle to the Black Panther party, You making it sound like it was a good piece. It was def happened after all those things was going down. When they mentioned Pac, they made sure they referred to him as the rapper who co-starred next to Janet Jackson. Google doesn't give you that info homeboy... One thing you are correct about, the Janet Jackson Aids info came out later but many believed it was Janet's way of distancing herself from him... As far as Pac sharing 93 with Snoop, not in NYC... Wu Tang was getting mad love in NY. In regards to my sign up date and post count, I post when I fill I need to. The IC is a extra for me.. I'm a Physical Therapist. I spent my time studying instead of spending countless hours googling websites trying to spin a debate...

Now on to BIG. As I stated before, Big was just another rapper in NYC at the time. You have to remember, Peoples favorite rappers of all time was lurking, i.e. NAS, Pun, The whole Wu, Mobb Deep, Big L, not to mention the older heads, Kane, Koog G, Rakim I can go on for days. All these cats was nice but Big had the push. With that push he was shown mad love and lyrically Big was a Beast so he was on his way to becoming a rap legend. But to say he was a legend at the time, he was not but neither was Pac, Nas, Pun or any of them cats for that matter. To compare it's like calling Kevin Durant a legend right now.. He's young and he's nice... Is it safe to say he will project to be a legend based of what he has shown? I would say yes. The same can be said for BIG. Man if cant see that, then you are just debating for the sake of having a debate...

Googling exact dates huh wow where did I give a exact date rather then a approximate year? While you are misrepresenting dates entirely you seem very emotionally invested in this. Here is a quick thing or 2 I never said Pac was the only rapper getting media attention But that the Vice President in 92 sure seemed to make an example of using his name. I named the incidents from 91 -93 that got Pac singled out and that extra outside of music attention. While there were a bunch of other rappers with controversy in their music none at that time had it Like Pac outside of the music. Your attempt to sidestep those points show you are lying about how much the media actually talked about Tupac shakur in those days.

Both Pacs Singles made the top 10 in 93 not sure what you are talking about, I never said anything past the fact that CNN did a story about him in early 93 talking about the rapper and his family History you are not wrong Rap was underfire and he was one of the stars underfire. Admitting you were From NYC pretty much cements why your spin on SHit is so biased and misleading, As to me in 89 I was in a studio kiddo in 93 I was actively engaged in HipHop from rapping to DJing and meeting local radio DJ's My credentials are solid and I am a product of the 70's and HipHop. So spin it how you want you have not refuted a word of what I have posted. All you have done is make a long ass rant on why you ignore certain historical facts and that hurt your feelings when I pointed out your fallacies. Now verablly juke the facts again a chosen names says alot about a person...

 

[juelz21]

After reading your rebuttal it further demonstrates your hearsay and being out of touch with what was going on at the times... Going on the web and Googling exact dates do not impress me or anybody else on the IC for that matter. The timeline I gave is strictly off the dome. Once again, I was old enough to know the times. Now if you telling me that Pac was a huge star in 92 then I know for a fact that you are just researcher...LOL... Pac was doing the humpty dance with Ditigal underground in what 90-91? Furthermore, Pac was not the only rapper getting attention from the media in regards to rap musics influence. Ice-T had "Cop Killer" and before that Public Enemies own "Flava Flav" had "911 is a joke". It was a big misnomer at the time that rap music influenced kids behavior. The movie CB4 demonstrated that. All those songs gained national attention as well. Actually anything that could put Rap in a bad light did. You say Pac was so well known, how come he didn't even come close to reaching top ten when the album was released? Pac's S4MN came out in 93, That's the same year Poetic Justice came out. Also it's the same year that he was accused of shooting 2 officers as well as catching a rape case. So after all that happening in one year, it's safe to say people knew who he was. When all those things happened like I said before, That's when CNN started to really start talking about Pac and his family... You say they interviewed his family when his Album came out, that's just not true...LOL.. They media tried to correlate Pac's lifestyle to the Black Panther party, You making it sound like it was a good piece. It was def happened after all those things was going down. When they mentioned Pac, they made sure they referred to him as the rapper who co-starred next to Janet Jackson. Google doesn't give you that info homeboy... One thing you are correct about, the Janet Jackson Aids info came out later but many believed it was Janet's way of distancing herself from him... As far as Pac sharing 93 with Snoop, not in NYC... Wu Tang was getting mad love in NY. In regards to my sign up date and post count, I post when I fill I need to. The IC is a extra for me.. I'm a Physical Therapist. I spent my time studying instead of spending countless hours googling websites trying to spin a debate...

Now on to BIG. As I stated before, Big was just another rapper in NYC at the time. You have to remember, Peoples favorite rappers of all time was lurking, i.e. NAS, Pun, The whole Wu, Mobb Deep, Big L, not to mention the older heads, Kane, Koog G, Rakim I can go on for days. All these cats was nice but Big had the push. With that push he was shown mad love and lyrically Big was a Beast so he was on his way to becoming a rap legend. But to say he was a legend at the time, he was not but neither was Pac, Nas, Pun or any of them cats for that matter. To compare it's like calling Kevin Durant a legend right now.. He's young and he's nice... Is it safe to say he will project to be a legend based of what he has shown? I would say yes. The same can be said for BIG. Man if cant see that, then you are just debating for the sake of having a debate...

man pac was on tour with digital underground as a back up dancer 88 89 90 and 91 is when he made his debut on same song and and his debut debut album 2Pacalypse Now dropped and he was fliming juice during that time period as well and was released in 92 and pac became a critical acclaim move star and so when poetic justice came out he was viewed as the star not janet jackson so u just need to fall back breh u don't know what your talking about.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Basically it is like this some legends are so while living and others do not become so untill death, Pac while Living was a legend the world press tracked his every move he was constantly talked about outside of music, he came from a still legendary family etc... Biggies became a legend after death in large part due to being connected to Pacs Living Legend he never was talked about outside of music till he died and even then it was all tied to Tupacs legend and their Deaths. Again ! legend while Living the other became Legend in death...

I feel you family...

man pac was on tour with digital underground as a back up dancer 88 89 90 and 91 is when he made his debut on same song and and his debut debut album 2Pacalypse Now dropped and he was fliming juice during that time period as well and was released in 92 and pac became a critical acclaim move star and so when poetic justice came out he was viewed as the star not janet jackson so u just need to fall back breh u don't know what your talking about.

Naw man he was billed as a Costar but all The facts are not with them man they will make up some more shit in a minute and get mad when they cannot substantiate their spin...

 

[H-Rap 180]

After reading your rebuttal it further demonstrates your hearsay and being out of touch with what was going on at the times... Going on the web and Googling exact dates do not impress me or anybody else on the IC for that matter. The timeline I gave is strictly off the dome. Once again, I was old enough to know the times. Now if you telling me that Pac was a huge star in 92 then I know for a fact that you are just researcher...LOL... Pac was doing the humpty dance with Ditigal underground in what 90-91? Furthermore, Pac was not the only rapper getting attention from the media in regards to rap musics influence. Ice-T had "Cop Killer" and before that Public Enemies own "Flava Flav" had "911 is a joke". It was a big misnomer at the time that rap music influenced kids behavior. The movie CB4 demonstrated that. All those songs gained national attention as well. Actually anything that could put Rap in a bad light did. You say Pac was so well known, how come he didn't even come close to reaching top ten when the album was released? Pac's S4MN came out in 93, That's the same year Poetic Justice came out. Also it's the same year that he was accused of shooting 2 officers as well as catching a rape case. So after all that happening in one year, it's safe to say people knew who he was. When all those things happened like I said before, That's when CNN started to really start talking about Pac and his family... You say they interviewed his family when his Album came out, that's just not true...LOL.. They media tried to correlate Pac's lifestyle to the Black Panther party, You making it sound like it was a good piece. It was def happened after all those things was going down. When they mentioned Pac, they made sure they referred to him as the rapper who co-starred next to Janet Jackson. Google doesn't give you that info homeboy... One thing you are correct about, the Janet Jackson Aids info came out later but many believed it was Janet's way of distancing herself from him... As far as Pac sharing 93 with Snoop, not in NYC... Wu Tang was getting mad love in NY. In regards to my sign up date and post count, I post when I fill I need to. The IC is a extra for me.. I'm a Physical Therapist. I spent my time studying instead of spending countless hours googling websites trying to spin a debate...

Now on to BIG. As I stated before, Big was just another rapper in NYC at the time. You have to remember, Peoples favorite rappers of all time was lurking, i.e. NAS, Pun, The whole Wu, Mobb Deep, Big L, not to mention the older heads, Kane, Koog G, Rakim I can go on for days. All these cats was nice but Big had the push. With that push he was shown mad love and lyrically Big was a Beast so he was on his way to becoming a rap legend. But to say he was a legend at the time, he was not but neither was Pac, Nas, Pun or any of them cats for that matter. To compare it's like calling Kevin Durant a legend right now.. He's young and he's nice... Is it safe to say he will project to be a legend based of what he has shown? I would say yes. The same can be said for BIG. Man if cant see that, then you are just debating for the sake of having a debate...

1.) Were did he mention "exact dates" all i see is 91, 92, and '93.....

2.)

Public Enemies own "Flava Flav" had "911 is a joke

Wrong, the song from Public Enemy didnt get any media attention the song was "Fight The Power" (1989). and "Cop Killer" came after not before in 1992

3.) Y

ou say Pac was so well known, how come he didn't even come close to reaching top ten

That album had two top ten Rap singles "Keep ya head up" was in the top 10 rap songs, "I get around" was #11 in the country on the Hot 100 and went Gold.

4.)

Now on to BIG. As I stated before, Big was just another rapper in NYC at the time

^^^^He sure was.

5.)

All these cats was nice but Big had the push.

Yeah the machine of destruction.

You rehash useless drivel and regurgitate useless information while trying to dodge facts.

 

[juelz21]

Naw man he was billed as a Costar but all The facts are not with them man they will make up some more shit in a minute and get mad when they cannot substantiate their spin...

i know janet jackson was viewed as the bigger star because she sold more records but not in that movie poetic justice pac was the more critical accliam star in that movie.

 

[verbal juke]

Googling exact dates huh wow where did I give a exact date rather then a approximate year? While you are misrepresenting dates entirely you seem very emotionally invested in this. Here is a quick thing or 2 I never said Pac was the only rapper getting media attention But that the Vice President in 92 sure seemed to make an example of using his name. I named the incidents from 91 -93 that got Pac singled out and that extra outside of music attention. While there were a bunch of other rappers with controversy in their music none at that time had it Like Pac outside of the music. Your attempt to sidestep those points show you are lying about how much the media actually talked about Tupac shakur in those days.

Both Pacs Singles made the top 10 in 93 not sure what you are talking about, I never said anything past the fact that CNN did a story about him in early 93 talking about the rapper and his family History you are not wrong Rap was underfire and he was one of the stars underfire. Admitting you were From NYC pretty much cements why your spin on SHit is so biased and misleading, As to me in 89 I was in a studio kiddo in 93 I was actively engaged in HipHop from rapping to DJing and meeting local radio DJ's My credentials are solid and I am a product of the 70's and HipHop. So spin it how you want you have not refuted a word of what I have posted. All you have done is make a long ass rant on why you ignore certain historical facts and that hurt your feelings when I pointed out your fallacies. Now verablly juke the facts again a chosen names says alot about a person...

Emotionally invested, How so? I am debating a topic posted just like you. Refute your points ok, hopefully I will break it down so you can not interpret the timelines given. You stated Pac was well known outside of rap circles correct? Well just because the vice president calls out the man's name has no relevance to his popularity at the time. We were talking about Pac's fame. You stated Pac was famous well before 93 and I'm saying that he was not anymore famous then any other rapper at the time. I used Ice-T Cop killer as an example because that song and media attention garnered much more media attention. My rant as you say, demonstrates a timeline when Pac became well known in the "Popular Media". In 93 after all his incidences it caused the media to pay attention to who he was. That's truth, that's not painted at all. Pac became popular outside of rap due to his "extracurricular" not because of his music. Are you denying that? Yes both Pac's singles made top ten in 93 but you stated that he was already huge in 92. I pointed out his Album came out early 93 and did not reach top 20 when it was released. I pointed that out to demonstrate that his popularity was still in a fertile state. After the movies and all the extra things taking place in 93 he received more attention. Period. That is fact... As far as being from NYC, that has no relevance on the matter what so ever. We are talking about artist popularity, I dont' see how region has anything to do with it. You stated Pac & Snoop was getting all the spins and I'm telling you that's was not the case in NYC. Furthermore, I lived all over, Philly, Atlanta, Houston, and currently in Arkansas. I'm a product of the 70's too so I'm not sure what your trying to say with that statement.

I noticed that you did not elaborate on the Biggie piece. That's factual as well. So please tell me how Pac was famous outside of rap Pre 93. You have failed to demonstrate that. If you think the Vice President mentioning your name is proof that is absurd. Camron was on Bill O'Reilly who has millions of viewiers and those white folks still don't know who he is. Nothing you have shown demonstrates his popularity.

 

[5th Letter]

LMFAO this shit really Hurts your feelings and you still keep spinning what I said and refuse to acknowledge the truth because you only want to read and respond to parts of statements rather then what was actually said I will say it one more time just because the shit is hella funny to me. Biggie was not talked about outside of Music till after his death and even then it is always in connection to Tupac, he has a legend Born out of his death and interactions with Tupac he is what we call a coattail legend. Tupac was and is a true legend in Life which is what was being discussed he was constantly talked about in and outside of Music In Life, Biggie was not. Now you can go back to your emotional response to the bits and piece of my statements you keep trying to spin...

trust me my feelings aren't hurt at all, and you seem to throw out "feelings caught" in every one of your debates, but anyway it seems like you're grasping at stuff to prove a point. anyway my point is that what you're trying to argue makes no sense. so based on your logic biggie wasn't talked about "outside of music" while alive during the east/west beef? but you look at it as biggie being lumped in with everyone else pac had beef with, like biggie and pac aren't considered the two most polarizing figures in hip hop history, like those two weren't the face of their respective coast at all. you're just hating because you dont like biggie.

biggie is a legend based on his impact in the genre not because of tupac or beef, and there is no way anybody with sense will even agree with you about biggie being a legend because he interacted with pac. that is flatout retarded.

 

[verbal juke]

1.) Were did he mention "exact dates" all i see is 91, 92, and '93.....

2.) Wrong, the song from Public Enemy didnt get any media attention the song was "Fight The Power" (1989). and "Cop Killer" came after not before in 1992

3.) YThat album had two top ten Rap singles "Keep ya head up" was in the top 10 rap songs, "I get around" was #11 in the country on the Hot 100 and went Gold.

4.)^^^^He sure was.

5.) Yeah the machine of destruction.

You rehash useless drivel and regurgitate useless information while trying to dodge facts.

1. My whole point was Pac became famous to the public in 93. Homeboy pointed out that he was famous before that... He referenced the Vice President calling him out in 92. As you just stated Cop killer came out around that time. That received way more attention.

2. 911 is a joke didn't get media attention? Now you are just c/s and not knowing what the fuck you talking about... You really think that a Black Man in America will make a song saying that the Cops are basically a joke and not get media attention? C'mon son.

3. Singles yes. I'm talking album sales. It debut in the 20's. Now that Album came out early 93. Its safe to say that those singles did pick up with his popularity correct?

You cats cant' be serious...

 

[juelz21]

Emotionally invested, How so? I am debating a topic posted just like you. Refute your points ok, hopefully I will break it down so you can not interpret the timelines given. You stated Pac was well known outside of rap circles correct? Well just because the vice president calls out the man's name has no relevance to his popularity at the time. We were talking about Pac's fame. You stated Pac was famous well before 93 and I'm saying that he was not anymore famous then any other rapper at the time. I used Ice-T Cop killer as an example because that song and media attention garnered much more media attention. My rant as you say, demonstrates a timeline when Pac became well known in the "Popular Media". In 93 after all his incidences it caused the media to pay attention to who he was. That's truth, that's not painted at all. Pac became popular outside of rap due to his "extracurricular" not because of his music. Are you denying that? Yes both Pac's singles made top ten in 93 but you stated that he was already huge in 92. I pointed out his Album came out early 93 and did not reach top 20 when it was released. I pointed that out to demonstrate that his popularity was still in a fertile state. After the movies and all the extra things taking place in 93 he received more attention. Period. That is fact... As far as being from NYC, that has no relevance on the matter what so ever. We are talking about artist popularity, I dont' see how region has anything to do with it. You stated Pac & Snoop was getting all the spins and I'm telling you that's was not the case in NYC. Furthermore, I lived all over, Philly, Atlanta, Houston, and currently in Arkansas. I'm a product of the 70's too so I'm not sure what your trying to say with that statement.

I noticed that you did not elaborate on the Biggie piece. That's factual as well. So please tell me how Pac was famous outside of rap Pre 93. You have failed to demonstrate that. If you think the Vice President mentioning your name is proof that is absurd. Camron was on Bill O'Reilly who has millions of viewiers and those white folks still don't know who he is. Nothing you have shown demonstrates his popularity.

how was his stardom in a feritile state when he was a movie star after juice and had a gold album under his belt your not making any sense.

 

[verbal juke]

how was his stardom in a feritile state when he was a movie star after juice and had a gold album under his belt your not making any sense.

We are talking about "Popular media". A lot of artist went gold. If you work in corporate america ask your white co-worker if they ever seen the movie Juice...

 

[H-Rap 180]

1. My whole point was Pac became famous to the public in 93. Homeboy pointed out that he was famous before that... He referenced the Vice President calling him out in 92. As you just stated Cop killer came out around that time. That received way more attention.

2. 911 is a joke didn't get media attention? Now you are just c/s and not knowing what the fuck you talking about... You really think that a Black Man in America will make a song saying that the Cops are basically a joke and not get media attention? C'mon son.

3. Singles yes. I'm talking album sales. It debut in the 20's. Now that Album came out early 93. Its safe to say that those singles did pick up with his popularity correct?

You cats cant' be serious...

"911 is a Joke" didnt get any media attention and I have an expert across the room from me that is an expert on these matters. If ii did then prove it our accept that you are wrong.

Yeah the president called out Tupac, and so did Tipper Gore (Al Gore's wife) and so did Rev Calvin Buttes and C. Delores Tucker..people who were in the media everyday.

Those 2 singles and the album were certified GOLD (according to the RIAA) in the year 1993..so what if it didnt debut at #1 they sold half-a-million copies in less than twelve months.

Thats three plaques within a years time.

Please tell me you aint serious??

 

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We are talking about "Popular media". A lot of artist went gold. If you work in corporate america ask your white co-worker if they ever seen the movie Juice...

LMAO so acceptance by a white corporate co-worker means you made it?? O.K.

...ask a white corporate co-worker if they heard a white Vice president and other white politicians mention the name Tupac Shakur.

 

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"911 is a Joke" didnt get any media attention and I have an expert across the room from me that is an expert on these matters. If ii did then prove it our accept that you are wrong.

Yeah the president called out Tupac, and so did Tipper Gore (Al Gore's wife) and so did Rev Calvin Buttes and C. Delores Tucker..people who were in the media everyday.

Those 2 singles and the album were certified GOLD (according to the RIAA) in the year 1993..so what if it didnt debut at #1 they sold half-a-million copies in less than twelve months.

Thats three plaques within a years time.

Please tell me you aint serious??

Please explain to me how a Vice president and his Wife mentioning his name demonstrates popularity? As I stated before, Camron was on Bill O'Reilly was has millions of viewers and none of viewers know of care who the hell camron is. Same thing with Pac. I'm not saying Pac was not famous outside of rap all I'm saying he became famous in 93 due to all the things going on in his life. That is a fact... Nobody has yet proven otherwise...

 

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LMAO so acceptance by a white corporate co-worker means you made it?? O.K.

...ask a white corporate co-worker if they heard a white Vice president and other white politicians mention the name Tupac Shakur.

You said Pac was a star because of Juice... The people who went to see that movie already knew him or was introduced to him... If you say popular media yes we are talking about "White folks'. They control it. You obviously dont' know what the hell you talking about.

 

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This is crazy. LOL. Someone please tell me why was Pac famous outside of rap Pre 93?

 

[juelz21]

We are talking about "Popular media". A lot of artist went gold. If you work in corporate america ask your white co-worker if they ever seen the movie Juice...

i know white people that have seen juice but that is irrelevant though this has nothing to do wit the fact pac was a star before 93.

 

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i know white people that have seen juice but that is irrelevant though this has nothing to do wit the fact pac was a star before 93.

How so? What evidence do you have? I explained how he became famous, please demonstrate

 

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Please explain to me how a Vice president and his Wife mentioning his name demonstrates popularity? As I stated before, Camron was on Bill O'Reilly was has millions of viewers and none of viewers know of care who the hell camron is. Same thing with Pac. I'm not saying Pac was not famous outside of rap all I'm saying he became famous in 93 due to all the things going on in his life. That is a fact... Nobody has yet proven otherwise...

Its called "name recognition" it isnt the exact same concept as "popularity".

Your posts could have been considered somewhat credible, but you made a fatal blunder that has crippled your credibility.

You mentioned "Cop Killer" in the same vein as "911 is a joke", a crucial error because were "911 is a joke" was considered light-hearted fare with the buffoonish Flava Flav the song "Cop Killer" was considered as a rallying cry for West Coast street criminals to slaughter law enforcement officers.

Due to your most regrettable misrepresentation of facts and truth I am forced to disregard your input and opinion on the thread topic.