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Dumitru Duduman! The prophet from 1988 who saw Occupy Wall street!
Question for DoU
You say that you are fleeing to Isreal, Jeruselum or what have you and I asked you "WHAT ARE THE REST OF THE CHRISTIANS GONNA DO? ALL OF THEM DONT HAVE THE MEANS TO MAKE IT OVER THERE?"
You said "GOD WILL PROVIDE A WAY FOR HIS PEOPLE".
Yes, I agree with out, if God promises you ANYTHING it will come to pass.
but let me ask you this.
If we are to flee to this foriegn country why does the scripture tell us.
MATTHEW 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me"
NO DoU THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CLEARLY STATES THE SIGNS OF THE ENDS OF TIME. JUST AS THIS VERSE YOU SHOWED YOU. JESUS SAID THAT WE WILL BE PUT TO DEATH BECAUSE WE FOLLOW HIM
SO REALLY, WHY ARE YOU MOVING TO ANOTHER LAND?.. U SAID IT YOURSELF THAT 'GOD WILL MAKE A WAY" BUT THE BIBLES SAYS THAT WE WILL BE PUT TO DEATH BECAUSE WE WORSHIP JESUS...
YOUR MOVE!
You say that you are fleeing to Isreal, Jeruselum or what have you and I asked you "WHAT ARE THE REST OF THE CHRISTIANS GONNA DO? ALL OF THEM DONT HAVE THE MEANS TO MAKE IT OVER THERE?"
You said "GOD WILL PROVIDE A WAY FOR HIS PEOPLE".
Yes, I agree with out, if God promises you ANYTHING it will come to pass.
but let me ask you this.
If we are to flee to this foriegn country why does the scripture tell us.
MATTHEW 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me"
NO DoU THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CLEARLY STATES THE SIGNS OF THE ENDS OF TIME. JUST AS THIS VERSE YOU SHOWED YOU. JESUS SAID THAT WE WILL BE PUT TO DEATH BECAUSE WE FOLLOW HIM
SO REALLY, WHY ARE YOU MOVING TO ANOTHER LAND?.. U SAID IT YOURSELF THAT 'GOD WILL MAKE A WAY" BUT THE BIBLES SAYS THAT WE WILL BE PUT TO DEATH BECAUSE WE WORSHIP JESUS...
YOUR MOVE!
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What is moving to another country good for though? If indeed America is destroyed in "1 hour" (smh) then the chain reaction it would have would be disastrous. The WHOLE WORLD will feel it's effects and the world would collapse with it. There would be violence, outrage and all the "evil" with it all over and especially in Jerusalem. You won't be escaping it and no matter where you are, if your god as promised to take care of his people and protect then, then he would do it no matter where you are at any given time.
Right or wrong?
Right or wrong?
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The True Flesh
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;3543250 said:God says that "Mystery Babylon" is a physical location.
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This is totally unsubstantiated.
I just remembered how you have the futurist interpretation that I thoroughly disagree with.
None of your replies acknowledge the scriptures I post. I particularly wanted a response to Isaiah 52:12
Anyway, I don't believe in a one man antichrist and the spiritual application of end time prophecy brings me to a completely different conclusion about our roles as believers in these times.
Our continued faithfulness will eventually put us on the same page THAT IS PROMISED!
If we continue in Christ we will be joint heirs, in the meantime we will continue to study to show ourselves approved to God.......
Not to each other and certainly not to the IC.
Antichrist is already working overtime, don't get complacent waiting for that one wicked man to appear on the scene and I'm sure you'll be just fine.
PEACE and BLESSINGS
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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solid analysis;3544637 said:I wouldn't mind....i wonder if it'll be worth it tho.
The truth is always worth it my brother. The Bereans searched the scriptures day after day to see if the witness of the Paul and Silas were true. Likewise, all those who are wise will do the same thing as well when confronted with new knowledge and information, particularly concerning eschatology. I'll be doing the write up pretty soon. Blessings to you.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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VIBE86;3545467 said:I think I've seen 4 different views in here, all are different and seem to oppose t
DoU's interpretation.
How do you know who's right or wrong? You guys read the exact same thing yet different interpretations and conclusions are drawn. Makes no sense.
There should be no division in the body of Christ. But sadly there is. It started with Ananias and Sapphira in the days of the early church and has continued to this present day. But God will prove true in these last days. He gives witness to it right here.
"the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. 3For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry." Habakkuk 2:2-3
The vision is for an appointed time My friend. I'm running to tell people because the vision is clear as day to me. It will speak at the end, even though it may seem cloudy to a lot of people, it will still surely come and it will not lie. So I'm just going to continue to seek the Lord for guidance, wisdom, instruction, knowledge, boldness, and power so that He can use my clay vessel to bring glory to His name.
Also the fundamental problem with this whole thing is the identity of "Mystery Babylon". No wonder God calls it a mystery. By the time EVERYBODY realizes who it is, it will be too late. Once it is turned into a "dry land, a wilderness, and a desert" the next phase in the program of God will be the coming of the mark of the beast. That's why it is imperative to realize who Mystery Babylon is now, before the destruction comes. Amen.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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PUPU_IZ_DRO;3545581 said:Question for DoU
You say that you are fleeing to Isreal, Jeruselum or what have you and I asked you "WHAT ARE THE REST OF THE CHRISTIANS GONNA DO? ALL OF THEM DONT HAVE THE MEANS TO MAKE IT OVER THERE?"
You said "GOD WILL PROVIDE A WAY FOR HIS PEOPLE".
Yes, I agree with out, if God promises you ANYTHING it will come to pass.
but let me ask you this.
If we are to flee to this foriegn country why does the scripture tell us.
MATTHEW 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me"
NO DoU THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CLEARLY STATES THE SIGNS OF THE ENDS OF TIME. JUST AS THIS VERSE YOU SHOWED YOU. JESUS SAID THAT WE WILL BE PUT TO DEATH BECAUSE WE FOLLOW HIM
SO REALLY, WHY ARE YOU MOVING TO ANOTHER LAND?.. U SAID IT YOURSELF THAT 'GOD WILL MAKE A WAY" BUT THE BIBLES SAYS THAT WE WILL BE PUT TO DEATH BECAUSE WE WORSHIP JESUS...
YOUR MOVE!
Here is a foundation passage that I would like you to read PuPu.
"but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed." Daniel 11:32-35
I never said that believers weren't going to die. The above passage, which is an OT passage about the last days clearly tell us that many believers will die during the time of the end. Revelation expands on the passage above and tells us that it is when the 5th seal is broken, during the last days, that the martyrdom of the saints will happen.
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:" Revelation 6:9
The fifth seal won't really kick into gear until the mark of the beast comes though. That mark doesn't come until after "Mystery Babylon" falls though. But like Daniel says they that know their God will be strong and do exploits. They will instruct many people in the last days but they will fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. So people will die. Believers will die. Yes, Jesus said it in the passage you quoted. So I never said that people will not die, especially believers.
The message that I'm delivering is the game plan of God. There will be those who do escape from the wrath that is coming. God always preserves a remnant of people. A remnant will survive all the plagues of the last days, especially if you will be delivered in the wilderness as revelation 12 speaks about. There are many passages of scripture that tell us that there will be a small portion of people who will be spared. So that's all I am pointing out. I may have to give my life for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Only God knows if my life will be required, in order "to try me, and to purge, and to make me white" or if I will still be alive to meet Him in the air. But until that day comes, I have to work the works that the Lord gave me to do. God says to occupy till He comes. So that's what I am dping. Here are a few passages that tell us that there will be a remnant of believers spared in the last days for your reference.
"20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain." Isaiah 26:20-21
God gives the same invitation, "COME", at the beginning of verse 20 that He gave to Noah when He entered the arc.
"1And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation." Genesis 8:1
Just like Noah and his family were kept alive during the world-wide flood, so too will a remnant be kept alive until the coming of Jesus Christ. Who that remnant will be? Only God knows. But I will tell you this, only those that are watching and praying will be kept from that hour.
"Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger." Zephaniah 2:3
God will hide those who seek Him, who are righteous, meek, and have done justice during the last days. There will be a remnant. But guess what you have to watch and pray!
"36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:36
Some will be accounted worthy to escape during the last days, but you have to watch and you have to pray all day every day! God will know if you are doing such things because He has set before those who are an open door that no man can shut.
"I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name." Revelation 3:8
That open door will be the door that the church of Philadelphia will pass through. That remnant of believers will be kept from the hour of trial my brother.
"10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Revelation 3:10
I just gave you a few passages that detail that a remnant will be spared. There are MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY more! The Bible is filled with them. Psalm 91 is all about a remnant being saved. Revelation 12 speaks all about it. 1 Thessalonians 4 speaks about those who are alive and that remain will be caught up to meet the Lord at His return. So there will be believers who will make it all the way to the end. Are you kind of getting the picture that I am painting?
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alissowack
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VIBE86;3545467 said:I think I've seen 4 different views in here, all are different and seem to oppose t
DoU's interpretation.
How do you know who's right or wrong? You guys read the exact same thing yet different interpretations and conclusions are drawn. Makes no sense.
A lot of times people going into reading the Bible and they already have presuppositions and viewpoints. Before we read one verse from the Bible we already have expectations. Some read the Bible with the "fairy tale" perspective. Some with the "logical" perspective. Some with the "doomsday" perspective or some with a "moral" perspective. There are probably other perspectives, but they all influence how the Bible is read. Now, Bible could just as well be true. However, there is conflict when the issue is not about whether the Bible is right or wrong, but whether are perspectives are right or wrong in respect to the Bible. There is the belief the perspective readers should have to reading the Bible should be based on the person of Jesus and that if people at least read the Bible that way, people would at least understand. Whether people will believe it is another story.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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The True Flesh;3547501 said:This is totally unsubstantiated.
I just remembered how you have the futurist interpretation that I thoroughly disagree with.
None of your replies acknowledge the scriptures I post. I particularly wanted a response to Isaiah 52:12
Anyway, I don't believe in a one man antichrist and the spiritual application of end time prophecy brings me to a completely different conclusion about our roles as believers in these times.
Our continued faithfulness will eventually put us on the same page THAT IS PROMISED!
If we continue in Christ we will be joint heirs, in the meantime we will continue to study to show ourselves approved to God.......
Not to each other and certainly not to the IC.
Antichrist is already working overtime, don't get complacent waiting for that one wicked man to appear on the scene and I'm sure you'll be just fine.
PEACE and BLESSINGS
I agree that as we continue in faithfulness God will put us on the same page. The vision is still yet to come True Flesh. I'm just a watch man on the wall blowing the trumpet louder and louder as the vision becomes clearer and clearer.
Maybe you can fill me in on how exactly you view the end-times. I would like to see your view point.
And I am in agreement with Isaiah 52:12. The Lord goes before me in a pillar of fire by night and a cloud by day to mark out my path. That is my daily prayer. Without the Lord going before me, my way would never be made prosperous. Every thing that I will do in these up and coming days will be accomplished because the Lord went before me to mark out my path and the Spirit of the Lord held me up during the process. Amen.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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alissowack;3548207 said:A lot of times people going into reading the Bible and they already have presuppositions and viewpoints. Before we read one verse from the Bible we already have expectations. Some read the Bible with the "fairy tale" perspective. Some with the "logical" perspective. Some with the "doomsday" perspective or some with a "moral" perspective. There are probably other perspectives, but they all influence how the Bible is read. Now, Bible could just as well be true. However, there is conflict when the issue is not about whether the Bible is right or wrong, but whether are perspectives are right or wrong in respect to the Bible. There is the belief the perspective readers should have to reading the Bible should be based on the person of Jesus and that if people at least read the Bible that way, people would at least understand. Whether people will believe it is another story.
I agree with this.
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