Dude Gets Killed Over Running A Train After Chick Lies And Says She Was Raped

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Where are the feminists?

@Madame_CJSkywalker

the idea women commonly lie about rape, sexual assault is false....same as this idea that the courts, law overwhelmingly favors women

otherwise provide the evidence

that said, any person who purposely files a false police report should have to face criminal charges

with this case in particular, the prosecution should pursue a case against the woman

You can't be talking about family court right ? That shit clearly favors women.

As far as women commonly lying about rape, might not be common but it damn sure happens. And there are several people who make it seem like it's impossible.

We all know that there are women who lie about rape...but some niggas think every woman is lying unless she comes back with her face beaten in or some shit like being pulled into a dark alley late at night. Most don't consider the fact that a woman is often raped by someone she already knows thus the only physical evidence often available is from a rape kit. It's the same as most people don't realize kidnappings happen mainly by someone the child/parents already know instead we were fed the image of the weird stranger or creepy person in a van.

The problem is that many men know someone that had a false rape allegation laid on them. For me it was my little brother. White bitch cried rape after her dad found out my brother was blowin' her back out. My wife's best friend had the same thing happen to her brother: White bitch he was fuckin cried rape when her daddy found out she was gettin piped down by a black man.

Shit makes you skeptical as fuck.

My older brother also had a false rape claim placed on him so trust me I know it can happen. Skepticism is one thing but some niggas think every woman is lying unless they come in beaten and bruised like a Law and Order victim and truth is most rapes don't happen that violently. We've just been fed that image so much that unless the woman appears that way too many will say shes lying for no other reason than that

Well, rape is an act of violence...........so it's not unreasonable for people to be skeptical of a rape if there's little to no evidence that a violent act took place.

most adults should have already come to realization that a violent act doesn't always leave a mark

same as the fact that not every one responds to the same way to stimuli ...even rape

some victims don't fight back...some become catatonic

popular culture does a lot to perpetuate these misconceptions about rape unfortunately

 

[MsSouthern]

Regardless of what the "actual numbers" are, a simple google search should be enough to inform you that it happens more often than it should and is a serious problem.

Most would say the same thing about rape

You said many of them ....implying what ...out of total rapes reported ???

I in no way condone someone falsely accusing another person of rape and have already said they should be convicted and sentenced.

To make any assumption... like you did ...is stupid

 

[deadeye]

Regardless of what the "actual numbers" are, a simple google search should be enough to inform you that it happens more often than it should and is a serious problem.

Most would say the same thing about rape

You said many of them ....implying what ...out of total rapes reported ???

I in no way condone someone falsely accusing another person of rape and have already said they should be convicted and sentenced.

To make any assumption... like you did ...is stupid

You're speaking from a perspective of white privilege and entitlement.

So you probably don't even fully understand what you're implying.........or maybe you do, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't.

Basically, you're trying to minimize the problem and make it seem like it's not serious because you've probably heard that false rape accusations/convictions only represent a small percentage of all rape cases.

I'm not disputing that, but I have enough empathy to understand that regardless of how small the percentage is...........it's still a problem for those few people who are unfortunate enough to fall into that percentile.

However, I don't want this to devolve into a back and forth so I'll give you your stats.
http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

Spoiler

To date, much of the research conducted on the prevalence of false allegations of sexual assaultsis unreliable because of inconsistencies with definitions and methods employed to evaluatedata (Archambault, n.d.). A review of research finds that the prevalence of false reporting is between 2 percent and 10 percent. The following studies support these findings:

A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault founda 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009).

A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Bostonfrom 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate

of false reports (Lisak et al., 2010).

Using qualitative and quantitative analysis, researchers studied 812 reports of sexual

assault from 2000-2003 and found a 2.1 percent rate of false reports (Heenan

& Murray 2006).

Many published reports do not clearly define false allegation, and often include data that falls outside

of most accepted definitions (Lisak et al., 2010).

The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) upholds that, “The determination that a report

of sexual assault is false can be made only if the evidence establishes that no crime was committed

or attempted” (IACP National Law Enforcement Policy Center, 2005, pp. 12-13).

The FBI and IACP have issued guidelines that exclude certain factors, by themselves, from constituting a false report (Lisak et al., 2010, p. 1320). These include:

Insufficient evidence to proceed to prosecution

Delayed reporting

Victims deciding not to cooperate with investigators

Inconsistencies in victim statement

While some police departments may follow these guidelines, it is not mandatory, and as a result, many do not. In addition, gaps in law enforcement training may inadvertently encourage identifying any of the following factors as indicators of a false report: delayed reporting, victim indifference to injuries, vagueness, or victim’s attempt to steer away from unsafe details, suspect description,or location of offense (Archambault, 2005).

As a result, many reports are classified as “false.”

Conclusion

Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault.

Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many

victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak etal., 2010).

To improve the response to victims of sexual violence, law enforcement and service providers need a thorough understanding of sexual violence and consistency in their definitions, policies and procedures.

From what I've read, the general consensus is between 2 and 10 percent.

That's a pretty wide range, and the article even admits that it's somewhat misleading due to various definitions of what actually constitutes a false rape accusation.

However, even if you choose to go on the lower end of 2 percent.......that's still a significant number of false rape accusations.

Again, small consolation to anyone who's in that 2 percent.

 

[MsSouthern]

You are made A LOT of assumtions about what you think you know about me or my life experiences

Anywhooooo......

That is not what you said to begin with so don't try to flip it to make it seem like I'm ok with 1 false rape case let alone 2% of all reported rapes

 

[deadeye]

You are made A LOT of assumtions about what you think you know about me or my life experiences

Anywhooooo......

That is not what you said to begin with so don't try to flip it to make it seem like I'm ok with 1 false rape case let alone 2% of all reported rapes

I didn't have to "flip" anything.

Throughout this entire thread, you've given the impression that you think false rape claims are exaggerated.

Also, the white privilege comment wasn't about you specifically.........but what's been ingrained in you as the result of living in America as a white woman.

It might not necessarily be a part of your conscious thinking and, again...........you probably don't even realize you're doing it........but those feelings of privilege and entitlement definitely manifest themselves through some of the comments you've made.

 

[deadeye]

@Westie

For when you've stopped drinking........another rape thread.

Seems as if the IC has been obsessed with this topic for the past few weeks.

 

[sdotcarter111]

In college one of my homies almost caught a situation like this. Knocked down a chick with a bf, and when he dissed her afterward she told the bf she got raped. Dude came with his crew to my boys place with baseball bats and shit.

Luckily when he told the boyfriend it was consensual, he believed him and dipped. The girl came with him and was screaming and crying at my boy when they left. Deep down the man knew his girl was a slut thot. More niggas should be aware of their bitch ho tendencies.

 

[Westie]

@Westie

For when you've stopped drinking........another rape thread.

Seems as if the IC has been obsessed with this topic for the past few weeks.

Why are you @ing me to rape threads

 

[deadeye]

@Westie

For when you've stopped drinking........another rape thread.

Seems as if the IC has been obsessed with this topic for the past few weeks.

Why are you @ing me to rape threads

@Westie

You seemed to be into the discussion, so...........

since you're back, I figured I'd catch you up on some of the more popular threads that have been heavily discussed in the past few weeks.

If it was an exposure thread or some other topic, I would've done the same thing.

 

[blackrain]

Where are the feminists?

@Madame_CJSkywalker

the idea women commonly lie about rape, sexual assault is false....same as this idea that the courts, law overwhelmingly favors women

otherwise provide the evidence

that said, any person who purposely files a false police report should have to face criminal charges

with this case in particular, the prosecution should pursue a case against the woman

You can't be talking about family court right ? That shit clearly favors women.

As far as women commonly lying about rape, might not be common but it damn sure happens. And there are several people who make it seem like it's impossible.

We all know that there are women who lie about rape...but some niggas think every woman is lying unless she comes back with her face beaten in or some shit like being pulled into a dark alley late at night. Most don't consider the fact that a woman is often raped by someone she already knows thus the only physical evidence often available is from a rape kit. It's the same as most people don't realize kidnappings happen mainly by someone the child/parents already know instead we were fed the image of the weird stranger or creepy person in a van.

The problem is that many men know someone that had a false rape allegation laid on them. For me it was my little brother. White bitch cried rape after her dad found out my brother was blowin' her back out. My wife's best friend had the same thing happen to her brother: White bitch he was fuckin cried rape when her daddy found out she was gettin piped down by a black man.

Shit makes you skeptical as fuck.

My older brother also had a false rape claim placed on him so trust me I know it can happen. Skepticism is one thing but some niggas think every woman is lying unless they come in beaten and bruised like a Law and Order victim and truth is most rapes don't happen that violently. We've just been fed that image so much that unless the woman appears that way too many will say shes lying for no other reason than that

Well, rape is an act of violence...........so it's not unreasonable for people to be skeptical of a rape if there's little to no evidence that a violent act took place.

You just proved my point about only believing the tv version of shit

 

[blackgod813]

I been thru two sexual assault cases..not pleasant

 

[blackrain]

The issue is that rape is the only crime that can be successfully prosecuted by word of mouth only. This makes it easy to concoct a convincing story and get someone thrown in prison for rape. No matter how long after the fact, a 100% consensual sexual encounter can be flipped to rape months or years after the fact simply by the woman stating she didn't want to do it. Zero evidence, only her testimony, and the guy accused can be convicted and labeled a sexual predator and placed on the SOR. This is why I advocate for video recording of every single sexual encounter a guy gets into because if she tries to flip it to rape there's at least video evidence to back up the claim that it was consensual.

You do realize those same things have been used by men to get off rape charges too right? Word of mouth...slandering a woman or bringing up her past...coming up with shit like "well why was she dressed like that" "why was she in a room with him" etc...shit do you realize a man once beat a rape charge because the woman said use a condom so she won't get pregnant. The man admitted to raping her...but using a condom in a court of law meant consent so he got off...its that easy to discredit someone who says they were raped

Maybe 20-25 years ago this would hold water, but these days it simply doesn't. Entirely too many men are in prison because the judge didn't believe their story, and the only thing that convicted them was a story. The only reason my brother got off on that charge was because the chick finally broke down mid-way through the judicial process and admitted the truth. Had she not done that my brother would be on the SOR over a lie. The difference is also that a mans entire life crumbles behind the lies these chicks tell. I've already posted up plenty of stories of guys who were never able to pick up the pieces after the lie was discovered. Many kill themselves and the woman that lies about it walks away without so much as a care in the world. Her name never appears in the papers, her reputation is never damaged but the men accused are plastered all over the place causing them to lose their jobs, friends, and in many cases even family distances themselves from him.

All you gotta do is look at what just happened to ole dude on Bachelor in Paradise. The fact that that white hoe said something was enough for him to lose his job with ZERO evidence of any wrongdoing on his part.

Again, video/audio recording is the only way forward. Constantly get affirmation throughout the entire sex act. If she don't like it, kick her ass right out the crib. Better to be safe and have to rub one out in your crib than to not have a video and have to rub one out in a prison cell.

The amount of people falsely accused of rape is very slim. Not to say it doesnt happen nor am I saying a woman who does lie shouldn't be punished because I think they should receive double the sentence an actual rapist gets...but this narrative that women are just throwing around rape claims and niggas is getting locked up with no evidence no trial etc is just a lie. Do some women lie about rape claims? Yes. Is it the majority? No not even close.

You can't say that shit dont hold water today because even today theres multie examples of "well why did she do that" being used. Aint no "judge didn't believe their story" because not all cases are judge trials. Y'all and this tv version of how you think shit goes down is crazy. It aint just make a rape claim Monday and man gets locked up and sentenced by Wednesday.You can't say that shit dont hold water today because even today theres multie examples of "well why did she do that" being used. Look at the kid from Stanford. Nigga was literally caught in tje act of raping her...admitted to it...and caught 6 mons and probation partially because his lawyer argued because the girl was drunk who knows if she consented. Look at that case from Pennsylvania with those high school kids who sexually assaulted that girl...videoed some of it...and had people riding for them and covering up for them because "she was drunk"...Regardless of whether or not you believe Bill Cosby was innocent what did the majority of people say about his accusers? "Well what were they doing around a married man anyway"....All these schools catching Title 9 lawsuits becauae of how they've admittedly tried to discourage women from filing rape charges....its still very easy to discredit someone making a rape accusation. That s why most aren't even reported or result in serious convictions if they are even brought to trial and a guilty verdict is found.

 

[blackrain]

Regardless of what the "actual numbers" are, a simple google search should be enough to inform you that it happens more often than it should and is a serious problem.

Most would say the same thing about rape

You said many of them ....implying what ...out of total rapes reported ???

I in no way condone someone falsely accusing another person of rape and have already said they should be convicted and sentenced.

To make any assumption... like you did ...is stupid

You're speaking from a perspective of white privilege and entitlement.

So you probably don't even fully understand what you're implying.........or maybe you do, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't.

Basically, you're trying to minimize the problem and make it seem like it's not serious because you've probably heard that false rape accusations/convictions only represent a small percentage of all rape cases.

I'm not disputing that, but I have enough empathy to understand that regardless of how small the percentage is...........it's still a problem for those few people who are unfortunate enough to fall into that percentile.

However, I don't want this to devolve into a back and forth so I'll give you your stats.
http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

Spoiler

To date, much of the research conducted on the prevalence of false allegations of sexual assaultsis unreliable because of inconsistencies with definitions and methods employed to evaluatedata (Archambault, n.d.). A review of research finds that the prevalence of false reporting is between 2 percent and 10 percent. The following studies support these findings:

A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault founda 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009).

A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Bostonfrom 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate

of false reports (Lisak et al., 2010).

Using qualitative and quantitative analysis, researchers studied 812 reports of sexual

assault from 2000-2003 and found a 2.1 percent rate of false reports (Heenan

& Murray 2006).

Many published reports do not clearly define false allegation, and often include data that falls outside

of most accepted definitions (Lisak et al., 2010).

The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) upholds that, “The determination that a report

of sexual assault is false can be made only if the evidence establishes that no crime was committed

or attempted” (IACP National Law Enforcement Policy Center, 2005, pp. 12-13).

The FBI and IACP have issued guidelines that exclude certain factors, by themselves, from constituting a false report (Lisak et al., 2010, p. 1320). These include:

Insufficient evidence to proceed to prosecution

Delayed reporting

Victims deciding not to cooperate with investigators

Inconsistencies in victim statement

While some police departments may follow these guidelines, it is not mandatory, and as a result, many do not. In addition, gaps in law enforcement training may inadvertently encourage identifying any of the following factors as indicators of a false report: delayed reporting, victim indifference to injuries, vagueness, or victim’s attempt to steer away from unsafe details, suspect description,or location of offense (Archambault, 2005).

As a result, many reports are classified as “false.”

Conclusion

Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault.

Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many

victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak etal., 2010).

To improve the response to victims of sexual violence, law enforcement and service providers need a thorough understanding of sexual violence and consistency in their definitions, policies and procedures.

From what I've read, the general consensus is between 2 and 10 percent.

That's a pretty wide range, and the article even admits that it's somewhat misleading due to various definitions of what actually constitutes a false rape accusation.

However, even if you choose to go on the lower end of 2 percent.......that's still a significant number of false rape accusations.

Again, small consolation to anyone who's in that 2 percent.

Its not that those 2-10% shouldn't be acknowledged...its when people use that small minority to create a narrative for the majority of rape accusations.

 

[deadeye]

I been thru two sexual assault cases..not pleasant

@blackgod813

Speak on it bruh.

 

[deadeye]

Regardless of what the "actual numbers" are, a simple google search should be enough to inform you that it happens more often than it should and is a serious problem.

Most would say the same thing about rape

You said many of them ....implying what ...out of total rapes reported ???

I in no way condone someone falsely accusing another person of rape and have already said they should be convicted and sentenced.

To make any assumption... like you did ...is stupid

You're speaking from a perspective of white privilege and entitlement.

So you probably don't even fully understand what you're implying.........or maybe you do, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't.

Basically, you're trying to minimize the problem and make it seem like it's not serious because you've probably heard that false rape accusations/convictions only represent a small percentage of all rape cases.

I'm not disputing that, but I have enough empathy to understand that regardless of how small the percentage is...........it's still a problem for those few people who are unfortunate enough to fall into that percentile.

However, I don't want this to devolve into a back and forth so I'll give you your stats.
http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

Spoiler

To date, much of the research conducted on the prevalence of false allegations of sexual assaultsis unreliable because of inconsistencies with definitions and methods employed to evaluatedata (Archambault, n.d.). A review of research finds that the prevalence of false reporting is between 2 percent and 10 percent. The following studies support these findings:

A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault founda 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009).

A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Bostonfrom 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate

of false reports (Lisak et al., 2010).

Using qualitative and quantitative analysis, researchers studied 812 reports of sexual

assault from 2000-2003 and found a 2.1 percent rate of false reports (Heenan

& Murray 2006).

Many published reports do not clearly define false allegation, and often include data that falls outside

of most accepted definitions (Lisak et al., 2010).

The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) upholds that, “The determination that a report

of sexual assault is false can be made only if the evidence establishes that no crime was committed

or attempted” (IACP National Law Enforcement Policy Center, 2005, pp. 12-13).

The FBI and IACP have issued guidelines that exclude certain factors, by themselves, from constituting a false report (Lisak et al., 2010, p. 1320). These include:

Insufficient evidence to proceed to prosecution

Delayed reporting

Victims deciding not to cooperate with investigators

Inconsistencies in victim statement

While some police departments may follow these guidelines, it is not mandatory, and as a result, many do not. In addition, gaps in law enforcement training may inadvertently encourage identifying any of the following factors as indicators of a false report: delayed reporting, victim indifference to injuries, vagueness, or victim’s attempt to steer away from unsafe details, suspect description,or location of offense (Archambault, 2005).

As a result, many reports are classified as “false.”

Conclusion

Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault.

Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many

victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak etal., 2010).

To improve the response to victims of sexual violence, law enforcement and service providers need a thorough understanding of sexual violence and consistency in their definitions, policies and procedures.

From what I've read, the general consensus is between 2 and 10 percent.

That's a pretty wide range, and the article even admits that it's somewhat misleading due to various definitions of what actually constitutes a false rape accusation.

However, even if you choose to go on the lower end of 2 percent.......that's still a significant number of false rape accusations.

Again, small consolation to anyone who's in that 2 percent.

Its not that those 2-10% shouldn't be acknowledged...its when people use that small minority to create a narrative for the majority of rape accusations.

That's the problem..........you're acting like 2-10% is an insignificant number, but it isn't.

That's a wide range bruh.

If you want to break it down further, the median is 6%.

Now, if we were talking about economics, gdp, earnings reports, annual returns, changes in employment rate, etc........what you consider a "small minority" would be considered a major stat.

2-10%...........and/or a 6% median...........is a serious problem.

 

[blackgod813]

I been thru two sexual assault cases..not pleasant

@blackgod813

Speak on it bruh.

Girls in my house a guy wouldnt give them a ride home i think like my mama just died any way they hurry run away...erbody leaves..i wakeup a swat team at my door they take my sheets handcuff me cousin goes to jail for some other shit they eventually say it wasnt me....another time i was a teen ager i aproach a girl at a hang out spot it was kinda dark but she backs away my foot on her shoe lace she screams im tryin to rape her...

 

[Westie]

Regardless of what the "actual numbers" are, a simple google search should be enough to inform you that it happens more often than it should and is a serious problem.

Most would say the same thing about rape

You said many of them ....implying what ...out of total rapes reported ???

I in no way condone someone falsely accusing another person of rape and have already said they should be convicted and sentenced.

To make any assumption... like you did ...is stupid

You're speaking from a perspective of white privilege and entitlement.

So you probably don't even fully understand what you're implying.........or maybe you do, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't.

Basically, you're trying to minimize the problem and make it seem like it's not serious because you've probably heard that false rape accusations/convictions only represent a small percentage of all rape cases.

I'm not disputing that, but I have enough empathy to understand that regardless of how small the percentage is...........it's still a problem for those few people who are unfortunate enough to fall into that percentile.

However, I don't want this to devolve into a back and forth so I'll give you your stats.
http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

Spoiler

To date, much of the research conducted on the prevalence of false allegations of sexual assaultsis unreliable because of inconsistencies with definitions and methods employed to evaluatedata (Archambault, n.d.). A review of research finds that the prevalence of false reporting is between 2 percent and 10 percent. The following studies support these findings:

A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault founda 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009).

A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Bostonfrom 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate

of false reports (Lisak et al., 2010).

Using qualitative and quantitative analysis, researchers studied 812 reports of sexual

assault from 2000-2003 and found a 2.1 percent rate of false reports (Heenan

& Murray 2006).

Many published reports do not clearly define false allegation, and often include data that falls outside

of most accepted definitions (Lisak et al., 2010).

The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) upholds that, “The determination that a report

of sexual assault is false can be made only if the evidence establishes that no crime was committed

or attempted” (IACP National Law Enforcement Policy Center, 2005, pp. 12-13).

The FBI and IACP have issued guidelines that exclude certain factors, by themselves, from constituting a false report (Lisak et al., 2010, p. 1320). These include:

Insufficient evidence to proceed to prosecution

Delayed reporting

Victims deciding not to cooperate with investigators

Inconsistencies in victim statement

While some police departments may follow these guidelines, it is not mandatory, and as a result, many do not. In addition, gaps in law enforcement training may inadvertently encourage identifying any of the following factors as indicators of a false report: delayed reporting, victim indifference to injuries, vagueness, or victim’s attempt to steer away from unsafe details, suspect description,or location of offense (Archambault, 2005).

As a result, many reports are classified as “false.”

Conclusion

Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault.

Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many

victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak etal., 2010).

To improve the response to victims of sexual violence, law enforcement and service providers need a thorough understanding of sexual violence and consistency in their definitions, policies and procedures.

From what I've read, the general consensus is between 2 and 10 percent.

That's a pretty wide range, and the article even admits that it's somewhat misleading due to various definitions of what actually constitutes a false rape accusation.

However, even if you choose to go on the lower end of 2 percent.......that's still a significant number of false rape accusations.

Again, small consolation to anyone who's in that 2 percent.

Its not that those 2-10% shouldn't be acknowledged...its when people use that small minority to create a narrative for the majority of rape accusations.

That's the problem..........you're acting like 2-10% is an insignificant number, but it isn't.

That's a wide range bruh.

If you want to break it down further, the median is 6%.

Now, if we were talking about economics, gdp, earnings reports, annual returns, changes in employment rate, etc........what you consider a "small minority" would be considered a major stat.

2-10%...........and/or a 6% median...........is a serious problem.

So when I say about out of every 1000 rapes that occur, only 6 are convicted, is that a small or large number? it's very concerning when it happens that someone is falsely accused of rape, but are you concerned at all with the number of victims who never get Justice? or is that not a serious problem?

 

[deadeye]

Regardless of what the "actual numbers" are, a simple google search should be enough to inform you that it happens more often than it should and is a serious problem.

Most would say the same thing about rape

You said many of them ....implying what ...out of total rapes reported ???

I in no way condone someone falsely accusing another person of rape and have already said they should be convicted and sentenced.

To make any assumption... like you did ...is stupid

You're speaking from a perspective of white privilege and entitlement.

So you probably don't even fully understand what you're implying.........or maybe you do, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't.

Basically, you're trying to minimize the problem and make it seem like it's not serious because you've probably heard that false rape accusations/convictions only represent a small percentage of all rape cases.

I'm not disputing that, but I have enough empathy to understand that regardless of how small the percentage is...........it's still a problem for those few people who are unfortunate enough to fall into that percentile.

However, I don't want this to devolve into a back and forth so I'll give you your stats.
http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

Spoiler

To date, much of the research conducted on the prevalence of false allegations of sexual assaultsis unreliable because of inconsistencies with definitions and methods employed to evaluatedata (Archambault, n.d.). A review of research finds that the prevalence of false reporting is between 2 percent and 10 percent. The following studies support these findings:

A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault founda 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009).

A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Bostonfrom 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate

of false reports (Lisak et al., 2010).

Using qualitative and quantitative analysis, researchers studied 812 reports of sexual

assault from 2000-2003 and found a 2.1 percent rate of false reports (Heenan

& Murray 2006).

Many published reports do not clearly define false allegation, and often include data that falls outside

of most accepted definitions (Lisak et al., 2010).

The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) upholds that, “The determination that a report

of sexual assault is false can be made only if the evidence establishes that no crime was committed

or attempted” (IACP National Law Enforcement Policy Center, 2005, pp. 12-13).

The FBI and IACP have issued guidelines that exclude certain factors, by themselves, from constituting a false report (Lisak et al., 2010, p. 1320). These include:

Insufficient evidence to proceed to prosecution

Delayed reporting

Victims deciding not to cooperate with investigators

Inconsistencies in victim statement

While some police departments may follow these guidelines, it is not mandatory, and as a result, many do not. In addition, gaps in law enforcement training may inadvertently encourage identifying any of the following factors as indicators of a false report: delayed reporting, victim indifference to injuries, vagueness, or victim’s attempt to steer away from unsafe details, suspect description,or location of offense (Archambault, 2005).

As a result, many reports are classified as “false.”

Conclusion

Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault.

Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many

victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak etal., 2010).

To improve the response to victims of sexual violence, law enforcement and service providers need a thorough understanding of sexual violence and consistency in their definitions, policies and procedures.

From what I've read, the general consensus is between 2 and 10 percent.

That's a pretty wide range, and the article even admits that it's somewhat misleading due to various definitions of what actually constitutes a false rape accusation.

However, even if you choose to go on the lower end of 2 percent.......that's still a significant number of false rape accusations.

Again, small consolation to anyone who's in that 2 percent.

Its not that those 2-10% shouldn't be acknowledged...its when people use that small minority to create a narrative for the majority of rape accusations.

That's the problem..........you're acting like 2-10% is an insignificant number, but it isn't.

That's a wide range bruh.

If you want to break it down further, the median is 6%.

Now, if we were talking about economics, gdp, earnings reports, annual returns, changes in employment rate, etc........what you consider a "small minority" would be considered a major stat.

2-10%...........and/or a 6% median...........is a serious problem.

So when I say about out of every 1000 rapes that occur, only 6 are convicted, is that a small or large number? it's very concerning when it happens that someone is falsely accused of rape, but are you concerned at all with the number of victims who never get Justice? or is that not a serious problem?

Both are serious problems.

That's why it's so hard for me to understand why more women don't speak out against false rape accusations.

It hurts actual victims of rape almost as much as the falsely accused.

Simply because there's probably a strong correlation between the number of false rape accusations and the number of victims who don't get justice because they assume that they're lying........based on other people who have lied in similar situations.

Basically, the "boy/girl who cried wolf" effect.

Meaning, even though a particular individual may not have lied about their situation........their credibility is compromised/questioned based on similar situations in which another person was lying.

 

[Trollio]

I been thru two sexual assault cases..not pleasant

I knew you got raped by a opa locka goon

 

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Regardless of what the "actual numbers" are, a simple google search should be enough to inform you that it happens more often than it should and is a serious problem.

Most would say the same thing about rape

You said many of them ....implying what ...out of total rapes reported ???

I in no way condone someone falsely accusing another person of rape and have already said they should be convicted and sentenced.

To make any assumption... like you did ...is stupid

You're speaking from a perspective of white privilege and entitlement.

So you probably don't even fully understand what you're implying.........or maybe you do, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't.

Basically, you're trying to minimize the problem and make it seem like it's not serious because you've probably heard that false rape accusations/convictions only represent a small percentage of all rape cases.

I'm not disputing that, but I have enough empathy to understand that regardless of how small the percentage is...........it's still a problem for those few people who are unfortunate enough to fall into that percentile.

However, I don't want this to devolve into a back and forth so I'll give you your stats.
http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

Spoiler

To date, much of the research conducted on the prevalence of false allegations of sexual assaultsis unreliable because of inconsistencies with definitions and methods employed to evaluatedata (Archambault, n.d.). A review of research finds that the prevalence of false reporting is between 2 percent and 10 percent. The following studies support these findings:

A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault founda 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009).

A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Bostonfrom 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate

of false reports (Lisak et al., 2010).

Using qualitative and quantitative analysis, researchers studied 812 reports of sexual

assault from 2000-2003 and found a 2.1 percent rate of false reports (Heenan

& Murray 2006).

Many published reports do not clearly define false allegation, and often include data that falls outside

of most accepted definitions (Lisak et al., 2010).

The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) upholds that, “The determination that a report

of sexual assault is false can be made only if the evidence establishes that no crime was committed

or attempted” (IACP National Law Enforcement Policy Center, 2005, pp. 12-13).

The FBI and IACP have issued guidelines that exclude certain factors, by themselves, from constituting a false report (Lisak et al., 2010, p. 1320). These include:

Insufficient evidence to proceed to prosecution

Delayed reporting

Victims deciding not to cooperate with investigators

Inconsistencies in victim statement

While some police departments may follow these guidelines, it is not mandatory, and as a result, many do not. In addition, gaps in law enforcement training may inadvertently encourage identifying any of the following factors as indicators of a false report: delayed reporting, victim indifference to injuries, vagueness, or victim’s attempt to steer away from unsafe details, suspect description,or location of offense (Archambault, 2005).

As a result, many reports are classified as “false.”

Conclusion

Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault.

Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many

victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak etal., 2010).

To improve the response to victims of sexual violence, law enforcement and service providers need a thorough understanding of sexual violence and consistency in their definitions, policies and procedures.

From what I've read, the general consensus is between 2 and 10 percent.

That's a pretty wide range, and the article even admits that it's somewhat misleading due to various definitions of what actually constitutes a false rape accusation.

However, even if you choose to go on the lower end of 2 percent.......that's still a significant number of false rape accusations.

Again, small consolation to anyone who's in that 2 percent.

Its not that those 2-10% shouldn't be acknowledged...its when people use that small minority to create a narrative for the majority of rape accusations.

That's the problem..........you're acting like 2-10% is an insignificant number, but it isn't.

That's a wide range bruh.

If you want to break it down further, the median is 6%.

Now, if we were talking about economics, gdp, earnings reports, annual returns, changes in employment rate, etc........what you consider a "small minority" would be considered a major stat.

2-10%...........and/or a 6% median...........is a serious problem.

I never said nor implied that it's not a significant number. Any number of falsely accused is significant. I said to let that less than 10% however create a narrative to describe the remaining 90 plus % is intellectually dishonest...and that's what people do when they make claims like "There's so many"..."There's a whole lot"...Is there some? Yes. Is any amount of falsely accused too many? Yes...Should you pretend it's the majority? No