Dude Gets Killed Over Running A Train After Chick Lies And Says She Was Raped

[7figz]

Why not go to all the rape victims within a certain time frame in that city and show them the accused picture in a line up style of photos personally instead plastering an innocent until proven guilty man picture all over the news?

That way while still investigating a person's name and reputation might not actually be ruined if they are found not guilty or during the course of the investigation its found out that said person couldn't have committed that crime.

There is no perfect way to do these things without someone feeling violated and the crime victim has actually already been violated. With that said that still doesn't mean that another person's name and reputation should be ruined either especially when there is a possibility that they could be innocent.

Imagine if accused was mistaken to be someone else by the accuser

And there 3 witnesses out there who can provide testimony to help clear his name....but they no connections or relations with the accused or accuser

What would compell them to report what they say to the police if the identity of the accused was kept anonymous

That's not just me pulling hypotheticals out my ass...but this shit happens all the time

Beyond enforcing and or tinkering with the laws we already have on the books i dont see there being another good solution legally

With the exception of doing things like banning the felony conviction box on job apps

You saying all that like the shit is perfect now and innocent folks don't go to jail.

No matter the process like I said before some innocent people going to go to jail and some guilty people going to walk free.

I'm just of the opinion that people's faces shouldn't be plastered everywhere when its quite possible they didn't commit the crime.

No system is perfect I just feel folks names and faces shouldn't attached to shit before its proven they done it.

Everybody ain't a good citizen so just because these witnesses favorable to the accused sees his face and can exonerate him doesn't mean they will do so just that because its the right thing to do.

The main point is even with being proven innocent that still doesn't change the fact that said persons face has now been plastered on the news as a possible rapist when that is a crime he was proven to have not done.

You know the news and newspaper don't run stories saying the guy picture we've been showing you all for 2 weeks straight has been proven that he isn't the rapist.

Imagine a father going to pick his child from school how the teachers and parents going to look at him regardless of being proven innocent.

Child will never be able to have friends come over to the house for birthday parties or sleepovers. All because an innocent man face was on the news for some shit he didn't do.

I understand the system is flawed

My point is that what u r proposing makes getting justice exponentially harder ...

And ppl can move ...only a very small percentage of rape cases make the news and an even smaller percentage make the national news

A false rape accusation does not always end in the accused life being ruined beyond repair

See it will celebrities and even average folk

Their families community continues to support them ...ppl forget...and life moves on

Sure 4 out of 8 of ppl falsely accused of crimes would rather have not spent X amount of days behind bars stuck in limbo because a mugshot or news report compelled witnesses to come forward

It seems like ur beef is ultimately with the media not devoting as much attention to tearing a man down as they do to admitting their errors....thats a different issue

How does protecting the accused's identity make getting justice harder ?

Read my previous 3, 4 posts

Its pretty straight forward

Rape is a hard crime to prove, especially if no bruises are present

So witness statements are especially valued and can help build a case for or against thw accused

And cases have been won, lost, or dismissed based on the accounts of other victims and witnesses who would have not been compelled to come forward had they not known the identity of the accused

With what he is proposing they could possible learn of the identity of the accused once a conviction is secured, but for the accused who are actually guilty that leaves them free to rape again

When investigators release the name and picture of the accused more times than not its meant to get ppl to come forward based on the facts of the case...its a common and longstanding practice

Witnesses lie sometimes but that is not a good reason to question and or undervalue their importance. And there are ways to verify their stories

Nobody said they shouldn't be able to have witnesses.

Look - if that's the case, what about the accused's need to have witnesses come forward but the accuser's identity is protected ?

Also, it's not just about the investigators discussing the name of the accused in the process of investigating. If you notice, the practice of not identifying the accuser extends to the media and every other party in the chain. Meaning even if the investigator mentioned a name in a conversation (not to the media), the publishing of that name could still be limited through similar efforts just as with the accused. For instance, logic leads me to believe the media knows this girl's name (in the original story of this thread) but isn't publishing it.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Hummm 4 hours later and STILL NO WOMAN TO ANSWER TO THE MAIN QUESTIONS.

After the smoke clears....

PAGES

PAGES

PAGES full of multi trajectories debates.

Rape is bad. Rape is a crime. The victim of the rape, male or female, finds it hard to report because of the PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS, FAMILLY PRESSURE.

Matter of fact how come i report to the police about my Dad, Mum or clause relative having raped me?

That being said IT WASNT THE TOPIC !! The issue is SOMEBODY DIED BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE LIED ABOUT BEING RAPED. Then the LIER recognized that she in fact did lie,

YET SHE COMES CLEAN OUT OF IT!

SHE BENEFITS FROM NAME WITNESS PROTECTION TYPE OF SHIT BY HAVING HER NAME UNDISCLOSED!!

SHE WONT GET EVEN AN OFFICIAL WARNING FROM A JUDGE!!

SHE LIED ABOUT BEING RAPED!! AND SOMEBODY DIED!!

SHE GOT THE THRESSOME SHE WANTED, SHE GOT HER EGO SATISFIED BY SEING HER CUCK FRIEND ACT FOR HER, AND AHE COMES CLEAN FOR ALL THAT BULLSHIT!

imo SHE DESERVES TO GO TO JAIL FOR HAVING SHITTED ON THE REAL RAPE VICTIMS, MALE AND FEMALES.

SHE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO REINFORCE BAD STEREOTYPE ABOUT RAPE ACCUSATIONS.

so yall can keep on debating about

Numbers

Statistics

POVs

Yall personal upbringing

As far as im concerned im disgusted by this case. LIERS DESERVE JAIL, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT DIFFICULT TOPIC, RAPE!!

bonsoir

And shame on any female and male in here who will try to derail the thread from its purpose, which is

LETHAL LIERS DONT HAVE TO BE PROTECTED BUT PROSECUTED and SENTENCED

for whatever reason

Simping

Deranged feminism

Deranged masculinity

Some of yall are heavily biased. The thread isnt far fetched and hard to decipher :

SOMEBODY LIED ABOUT RAPE

IT RESULTED IN MURDER

THE LIER IS FREE AND PROTECTED.

IS IT FUCKED UP OR NAH?

IS LYING ABOUT RAPE THE SOLE MURDEROUS TECHNIQUE THAT WONT PUT YOUR ASS TO JAIL EVEN IF CAUGHT?

its just about that. In this thread.

Like u arent biased lol

You are using THE FOX NEWS / ALL LIVE MATTERS/ I DONT LIKE RAP BUT I LIKE EMINEM / techniques aka you are deplacing the core of the subject bit by bit in order to create a debate atmosphere where you will feel confortable and avoid the MAIN QUESTION THAT THREAD IS ASKING YOU :

SHOULD RAPE LIARS GET PROSECUTED AND SENTENCED?

YES - HOW AND WHAT DO THEY DESERVE?

NO - WHY?

10 pages ago you should have answered WITH THE SAME ENERGY AND ACCURACY YOU HAVE USED AVOID THE MAIN SUBJECT.

Yes they should get punished, and idk what the sentence should be. It should be jail time.

This isn't about avoiding the main subject it's a related topic.

yes the thread did get derailed but the woman cried rape why isn't that a natural deviation from topic? Rape is in the subject.

Yes indeed it derailed.

Please dont disrespect RAPE by using it when it comes to LIARS. She got everything but RAPE.

She just lied about something really bad that can have lethal consequences.

If my sister comes to me and cris rape, it will take me HOURS before i put a critical reflexion on that. Because when a woman gets rape, HER WHOLE FAMILLY GETS RAPE TOO. Hence the usage of rape as a war tactic to EMASCULATE, HUMILIATE THE MEN. One can act up and loud but you are psychologocally BEATEN if someone rape one of the familly's females upfront.

Did that promiscuous woman knew? This has to be investigated.

Did you just make a violation of a woman's body about MEN????

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Yes i did. WE ARE SOCIAL BEINGS and rape consequences goes BEYOND THE WOMAN'S BODY. Hence the thread : a man has killed for it.

KILLED!

Plus MEN GET RAPED TOO!!

Lets not waist our time with trying to genderize rape.

Rape is social

Political

Warfare

You were talking about a woman getting raped, I'm aware men get raped.

Oh yeah, this thread is an example of how empathetic people are to the violation of a woman's body.

HER BODY.

NOT SOCIETY'S

NOT THE GOVERNMENT

NOT ANYONE'S PROPERTY

You want to put the ramifications and consequences of rape on the victim's body whereas it goes BEYOND!! Thats why somebody is dead!! Her man didnt stand up and crie, HE WAS AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERED INSTINCTALLY TO MURDER.

Like he would have been psychologically emasuclated if she had been raped in front of him.

The point was to point that rape is very destructive and not ONLY to the victim. It fucks up famillies, communities.

 

[D. Morgan]

Getting It Wrong: Convicting the Innocent

Eyewitness misidentifications were the single greatest cause of flawed evidence in the 250 innocent exonerations I studied. And no case better explains how eyewitness errors can occur than the best-known eyewitness false identification of them all: Ronald Cotton was exonerated by DNA tests in North Carolina after spending more than 10 years in prison.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._eyewitnesses_can_send_innocents_to_jail.html

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony
https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue One/fisher&tversky.htm

Yet its ok to just put people's faces anywhere just cause they're accused of some shit!!

Possibly ruin one person just to possibly help another. SMH

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Why not go to all the rape victims within a certain time frame in that city and show them the accused picture in a line up style of photos personally instead plastering an innocent until proven guilty man picture all over the news?

That way while still investigating a person's name and reputation might not actually be ruined if they are found not guilty or during the course of the investigation its found out that said person couldn't have committed that crime.

There is no perfect way to do these things without someone feeling violated and the crime victim has actually already been violated. With that said that still doesn't mean that another person's name and reputation should be ruined either especially when there is a possibility that they could be innocent.

Imagine if accused was mistaken to be someone else by the accuser

And there 3 witnesses out there who can provide testimony to help clear his name....but they no connections or relations with the accused or accuser

What would compell them to report what they say to the police if the identity of the accused was kept anonymous

That's not just me pulling hypotheticals out my ass...but this shit happens all the time

Beyond enforcing and or tinkering with the laws we already have on the books i dont see there being another good solution legally

With the exception of doing things like banning the felony conviction box on job apps

You saying all that like the shit is perfect now and innocent folks don't go to jail.

No matter the process like I said before some innocent people going to go to jail and some guilty people going to walk free.

I'm just of the opinion that people's faces shouldn't be plastered everywhere when its quite possible they didn't commit the crime.

No system is perfect I just feel folks names and faces shouldn't attached to shit before its proven they done it.

Everybody ain't a good citizen so just because these witnesses favorable to the accused sees his face and can exonerate him doesn't mean they will do so just that because its the right thing to do.

The main point is even with being proven innocent that still doesn't change the fact that said persons face has now been plastered on the news as a possible rapist when that is a crime he was proven to have not done.

You know the news and newspaper don't run stories saying the guy picture we've been showing you all for 2 weeks straight has been proven that he isn't the rapist.

Imagine a father going to pick his child from school how the teachers and parents going to look at him regardless of being proven innocent.

Child will never be able to have friends come over to the house for birthday parties or sleepovers. All because an innocent man face was on the news for some shit he didn't do.

I understand the system is flawed

My point is that what u r proposing makes getting justice exponentially harder ...

And ppl can move ...only a very small percentage of rape cases make the news and an even smaller percentage make the national news

A false rape accusation does not always end in the accused life being ruined beyond repair

See it will celebrities and even average folk

Their families community continues to support them ...ppl forget...and life moves on

Sure 4 out of 8 of ppl falsely accused of crimes would rather have not spent X amount of days behind bars stuck in limbo because a mugshot or news report compelled witnesses to come forward

It seems like ur beef is ultimately with the media not devoting as much attention to tearing a man down as they do to admitting their errors....thats a different issue

How does protecting the accused's identity make getting justice harder ?

Read my previous 3, 4 posts

Its pretty straight forward

Rape is a hard crime to prove, especially if no bruises are present

So witness statements are especially valued and can help build a case for or against thw accused

And cases have been won, lost, or dismissed based on the accounts of other victims and witnesses who would have not been compelled to come forward had they not known the identity of the accused

With what he is proposing they could possible learn of the identity of the accused once a conviction is secured, but for the accused who are actually guilty that leaves them free to rape again

When investigators release the name and picture of the accused more times than not its meant to get ppl to come forward based on the facts of the case...its a common and longstanding practice

Witnesses lie sometimes but that is not a good reason to question and or undervalue their importance. And there are ways to verify their stories

Nobody said they shouldn't be able to have witnesses.

Look - if that's the case, what about the accused's need to have witnesses come forward but the accuser's identity is protected ?

Also, it's not just about the investigators discussing the name of the accused in the process of investigating. If you notice, the practice of not identifying the accuser extends to the media and every other party in the chain. Meaning even if the investigator mentioned a name in a conversation (not to the media), the publishing of that name could still be limited through similar efforts just as with the accused. For instance, logic leads me to believe the media knows this girl's name (in the original story of this thread) but isn't publishing it.

the media are free to reveal anyone's names they stumble upon, discover

generally the media just does not like releasing the name of victims because of past incidences of victim intimidation with higher profile cases

you make some good points though

all things considered still believe maintaining the total anonymity of both parties until a conviction is reached just adds more flaws to an already flawed system

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Getting It Wrong: Convicting the Innocent

Eyewitness misidentifications were the single greatest cause of flawed evidence in the 250 innocent exonerations I studied. And no case better explains how eyewitness errors can occur than the best-known eyewitness false identification of them all: Ronald Cotton was exonerated by DNA tests in North Carolina after spending more than 10 years in prison.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._eyewitnesses_can_send_innocents_to_jail.html

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony
https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue One/fisher&tversky.htm

Yet its ok to just put people's faces anywhere just cause they're accused of some shit!!

Possibly ruin one person just to possibly help another. SMH

many of these exonerations were because the alleged victim fingered the wrong person...not witnesses who may have been at the scene or come forward

not to say, witnesses lie or get it wrong

but should that mean we just stop taking witness testimony or the account of other possible victims into account, especially if they can provide or help provide an alibi for the accused

no

as the article you mentioned suggested we improve the way police interact with potential witnesses like doing double-blind lineups

again the intent is not to ruin someone's life, its about getting to the truth to possibly prevent another crime or building a case to prevent an innocent person from going to jail....

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Getting It Wrong: Convicting the Innocent

Eyewitness misidentifications were the single greatest cause of flawed evidence in the 250 innocent exonerations I studied. And no case better explains how eyewitness errors can occur than the best-known eyewitness false identification of them all: Ronald Cotton was exonerated by DNA tests in North Carolina after spending more than 10 years in prison.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._eyewitnesses_can_send_innocents_to_jail.html

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony
https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue One/fisher&tversky.htm

Yet its ok to just put people's faces anywhere just cause they're accused of some shit!!

Possibly ruin one person just to possibly help another. SMH

consider a friend is sexually assaulted at a house party

there is no dna evidence and no other witnesses than a man who seen her arguing and being pulled into a room by the accused, but just thought of it as being a lover's quarrel

the accused denies having interacted with ur friend that night

now would you rather we do things to compel that witness to come forward or nah?

what if there is no conviction, what does that mean for ur friend or the other women the accused comes into contact with?

 

[7figz]

Getting It Wrong: Convicting the Innocent

Eyewitness misidentifications were the single greatest cause of flawed evidence in the 250 innocent exonerations I studied. And no case better explains how eyewitness errors can occur than the best-known eyewitness false identification of them all: Ronald Cotton was exonerated by DNA tests in North Carolina after spending more than 10 years in prison.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._eyewitnesses_can_send_innocents_to_jail.html

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony
https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue One/fisher&tversky.htm

Yet its ok to just put people's faces anywhere just cause they're accused of some shit!!

Possibly ruin one person just to possibly help another. SMH

consider a friend is sexually assaulted at a house party

there is no dna evidence and no other witnesses than a man who seen her arguing and being pulled into a room by the accused, but just thought of it as being a lover's quarrel

the accused denies having interacted with ur friend that night

now would you rather we do things to compel that witness to come forward or nah?

what if there is no conviction, what does that mean for ur friend or the other women the accused comes into contact with?

So the investigator can't just go and interview the potential witness and talk to him about what he saw without publishing the user's identity ?

There's still a gap that's being ignored, between an investigator knowing the identity and everybody else.

 

[D. Morgan]

You type so many words just say the most basic of things

Why not just say you're ok with fucking someone else life when a crime is committed just because it has the possibility of helping someone else life?

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Getting It Wrong: Convicting the Innocent

Eyewitness misidentifications were the single greatest cause of flawed evidence in the 250 innocent exonerations I studied. And no case better explains how eyewitness errors can occur than the best-known eyewitness false identification of them all: Ronald Cotton was exonerated by DNA tests in North Carolina after spending more than 10 years in prison.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._eyewitnesses_can_send_innocents_to_jail.html

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony
https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue One/fisher&tversky.htm

Yet its ok to just put people's faces anywhere just cause they're accused of some shit!!

Possibly ruin one person just to possibly help another. SMH

consider a friend is sexually assaulted at a house party

there is no dna evidence and no other witnesses than a man who seen her arguing and being pulled into a room by the accused, but just thought of it as being a lover's quarrel

the accused denies having interacted with ur friend that night

now would you rather we do things to compel that witness to come forward or nah?

what if there is no conviction, what does that mean for ur friend or the other women the accused comes into contact with?

So the investigator can't just go and interview the potential witness and talk to him about what he saw without publishing the user's identity ?

There's still a gap that's being ignored, between an investigator knowing the identity and everybody else.

investigations may haven't known he was there

having been to many of house parties its hard to keep track of who is present and who is who....that goes for any large gatherings...

if the investigation is kept hush, hush ...and the witness initially thought what he say was harmlessly why would he go to the police on his own?

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

You type so many words just say the most basic of things

Why not just say you're ok with fucking someone else life when a crime is committed just because it has the possibility of helping someone else life?

I'm not ok with ruining anyone's life unnecessarily ....but ok...lol