Dr. (Coon)Ben Carson blasts hip-hop for hurting Black communities/he also says hip hop opposes Jesus

[A Talented One]

remember when hip hop killed Dr. King?

or when hip hop hires white high school drop outs over black college grads?

or when hip hop told DEA agents not to enforce drug laws in white neighborhoods?

hip hop be wilding bruh...

So you're just going to continue doing this shit after I just took the time to patiently explain why you shouldn't?

Well, FUCK you.

God damn motherfucking cunt.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

hip hop killed Marvin Gaye!

 

[Fosheezy]

I think some of yall mean well but misapplying and misunderstanding the point. Even Qtip said "Hip Hop could never be a way of life it doesn't teach you how to raise a child or treat a wife". Is this true or false?

Assume what Qtip said is true (in fact it is) then consider Jesus on the other hand does teach a way of life, how to raise a child and treat a wife. You can read it for yourself. Furthermore, jesus want his followers to, by extension, teach each other to observe and practice what he taught about how to live. Now question, how much of Hip Hip point you in the direction of this standard of living set by Jesus? I don't believe this dude was talking about that part of Hip Hop.

 

[_Lefty]

Anything as powerful as hip hop can have an adverse effect on weak, and/or radical minds. Another example of a powerful thing having this type of affect is the United States Constitution, which has violated more niggas than hip hop ever will. Another thing is, what type of chicken or the egg ass argument can you construct when you know what preceded what. Black struggling predates hip hop by a comedic amount of time, literally centuries. The domino effect lands on our struggle, hip hop is the product of our struggle, and they lucky we got it because we'd be on some other, other shit without it.

While we're on subject, there's a lot of positive hip hop out there, but who controls the media, and what is broadcasted? People don't love hip hop, they are part of the culture at a basic level. If you're black, you're pretty much tuned into your local urban radio station at a young age and continue throughout much of your life. We don't control our own music. They do. Just another layer of the bullshit that they use to fuck us up. Why would they play the new kendrick when they can continue to saturate us with dumb shit? Hip hop is the most powerful weapon to use against them because it's the voice of the youth, and they know that. So what do they play? Chants..... Repetitive hooks all day long, "real niggas only, bad bitches only...." "Trap queen" to dumb the lil niggas down. Fuck any nigga that think hip hop fuck up the community. Hip hop helped make me the trillest nigga a lot of niggas know.

 

[Kakarot]

I know that ruff ryder chain i had me feeling empowered as fuck in 6th grade. And then when Jin came along I was swearing up a down to dudes he was gonna be the best rapper alive, the next eminem.

...

 

[PapaDoc223]

All the modern gangs we know today crips,GDs,Black P Stones,Latin Kings,bloods etc were founded in the 60s and 70s when The Temptations made Just My Imagination. Plus black on black crime was worse in the 60s and 70s then it is now. This was all before straight outta compton.

 

[Shizlansky]

Can yall answer this.

Can hip hop inspire?

 

[Kakarot]

Can yall answer this.

Can hip hop inspire?

 

[Mister B.]

To think I was gonna buy one of his books..

To think I had to read one of those shits my freshmen year....

 

[A Talented One]

When this topic comes up people never fail to trot out the same silly, easily-disproven arguments. There was lung cancer before there was cigarette smoking, so I guess smoking cigarettes could not possibly contribute to lung cancer.

Do people really think about what they are saying? I mean really think?

This isn't about hip hop. This is about cracking down on what white supremacy deems unapproved black behavior.

White supremacy may disapprove of a certain black behavior and that behavior might nevertheless be bad for us independently of the disapproval.

 

[A Talented One]

remember when hip hop decided that blacks were 3/5 of a man?

or when hip hop redlined blacks so they couldn't leave bad areas?

or when hip hop decided to use the police to force blacks into revenue streams for local governments while also throwing them in jail?

me niether.

Suppose that hip hop truly did hold blacks back. Just for the sake of the argument.

Then that is something we should look to change, whether or not whites ever become less racist by one iota, and whether or not they play a part (as I believe they do) in how hop hip became such that it holds us back.

It would also follow that when people say "hip hop holds us back," and you caricature that claim into ridiculous claims about how hip hop caused various historical instances of racism, that you would not be helping things. And that would be because you would be helping to prevent a discussion we should be having.

So the only way that this pattern of arguing of yours can be justified is if there were good reasons to believe that hip hop did not in fact hold us back.

I don't believe such reasons exist.

But the more important point is that you shouldn't presume that your opinion on this issue is so undoubtedly correct that you can blithely continue to confuse the issue -- and thereby prevent potentially helpful discussion -- when this topic comes up.

I hope this explains where I am coming from (together with what I said on the first page).

Caricaturing these arguments about hip hop is majorly counterproductive. Now please stop.

@Meta_Conscious What is your response to this argument?

I want a direct response, not the usual argument by some form of indirection that you usually practice.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

Hip Hop shortened Bo Jacksons career... why hip hop ?!?! why!?

 

[Stiff]

When this topic comes up people never fail to trot out the same silly, easily-disproven arguments. There was lung cancer before there was cigarette smoking, so I guess smoking cigarettes could not possibly contribute to lung cancer.

Do people really think about what they are saying? I mean really think?

This isn't about hip hop. This is about cracking down on what white supremacy deems unapproved black behavior.

White supremacy may disapprove of a certain black behavior and that behavior might nevertheless be bad for us independently of the disapproval.

But if the cases of lung cancer DECREASED after the introduction of cigarettes that would make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd right?

The crime rate in the Black community has DECREASED since the introduction of hip hop

College graduation rates have INCREASED since the introduction of hip hop

Fuck your feelings these are easily verifiable facts. You're not making as good of points as you think right now do some research.

 

[A Talented One]

When this topic comes up people never fail to trot out the same silly, easily-disproven arguments. There was lung cancer before there was cigarette smoking, so I guess smoking cigarettes could not possibly contribute to lung cancer.

Do people really think about what they are saying? I mean really think?

This isn't about hip hop. This is about cracking down on what white supremacy deems unapproved black behavior.

White supremacy may disapprove of a certain black behavior and that behavior might nevertheless be bad for us independently of the disapproval.

But if the cases of lung cancer DECREASED after the introduction of cigarettes that would make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd right?

The crime rate in the Black community has DECREASED since the introduction of hip hop

College graduation rates have INCREASED since the introduction of hip hop

Fuck your feelings these are easily verifiable facts. You're not making as good of points as you think right now do some research.

Crime increased since the introduction of hip hop. That's a fact. Now it has in more recent years decreased again. But that's consistent with hip hop being a contributing factor. There are other factors in play obviously, and no one with any sense would say that hip hop is the only factor.

Same thing with college graduation rates.

And if the cases of lung cancer decreased after the introduction of cigarettes, that would not make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd. The other factors in play might have receded in their effects just as cigarettes were becoming widely used.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

crime been decreasing for 30 years... it was more dangerous in the 1920s than it is now... lol

hip hop killed my baby!

 

[Stiff]

When this topic comes up people never fail to trot out the same silly, easily-disproven arguments. There was lung cancer before there was cigarette smoking, so I guess smoking cigarettes could not possibly contribute to lung cancer.

Do people really think about what they are saying? I mean really think?

This isn't about hip hop. This is about cracking down on what white supremacy deems unapproved black behavior.

White supremacy may disapprove of a certain black behavior and that behavior might nevertheless be bad for us independently of the disapproval.

But if the cases of lung cancer DECREASED after the introduction of cigarettes that would make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd right?

The crime rate in the Black community has DECREASED since the introduction of hip hop

College graduation rates have INCREASED since the introduction of hip hop

Fuck your feelings these are easily verifiable facts. You're not making as good of points as you think right now do some research.

Crime increased since the introduction of hip hop. That's a fact. Now it has in more recent years decreased again. But that's consistent with hip hop being a contributing factor. There are other factors in play obviously, and no one with any sense would say that hip hop is the only factor.

Same thing with college graduation rates.

And if the cases of lung cancer decreased after the introduction of cigarettes, that would not make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd. The other factors in play might have receded in their effects just as cigarettes were becoming widely used.

*SIGH* stick to arguing your feelings bro. Facts aren't your strong point.

Homicide Rate

Dropout Rates

source :http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012006.pdf

College Attendance

 

[Stiff]

I repeat: let's all do some research before we just blurt out unsupported statements and claim them as facts.

 

[Shizlansky]

So nobody gon answer my question

 

[A Talented One]

When this topic comes up people never fail to trot out the same silly, easily-disproven arguments. There was lung cancer before there was cigarette smoking, so I guess smoking cigarettes could not possibly contribute to lung cancer.

Do people really think about what they are saying? I mean really think?

This isn't about hip hop. This is about cracking down on what white supremacy deems unapproved black behavior.

White supremacy may disapprove of a certain black behavior and that behavior might nevertheless be bad for us independently of the disapproval.

But if the cases of lung cancer DECREASED after the introduction of cigarettes that would make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd right?

The crime rate in the Black community has DECREASED since the introduction of hip hop

College graduation rates have INCREASED since the introduction of hip hop

Fuck your feelings these are easily verifiable facts. You're not making as good of points as you think right now do some research.

Crime increased since the introduction of hip hop. That's a fact. Now it has in more recent years decreased again. But that's consistent with hip hop being a contributing factor. There are other factors in play obviously, and no one with any sense would say that hip hop is the only factor.

Same thing with college graduation rates.

And if the cases of lung cancer decreased after the introduction of cigarettes, that would not make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd. The other factors in play might have receded in their effects just as cigarettes were becoming widely used.

*SIGH* stick to arguing your feelings bro. Facts aren't your strong point.

Homicide Rate

Dropout Rates

source :http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012006.pdf

College Attendance

Ok, I appear to stand corrected about college graduation rates. (Still, it is well-known that the racial test score gap was steadily closing for decades, but either slowed down or started to widen again in the late 80s.) But what you posted supports what I said about crime rates. Hip hop was around by the mid-1990s. And already very popular too.

Anyway, you have not addressed the most important point. This is that something can contribute to the increase (or decrease) of something while the general level of that thing is decreasing (or increasing). So, for example, if rates of lung cancer started to decline just as cigarettes were becoming more widely used, that would not show that cigarette smoking does not contribute positively to lung cancer.

 

[Stiff]

When this topic comes up people never fail to trot out the same silly, easily-disproven arguments. There was lung cancer before there was cigarette smoking, so I guess smoking cigarettes could not possibly contribute to lung cancer.

Do people really think about what they are saying? I mean really think?

This isn't about hip hop. This is about cracking down on what white supremacy deems unapproved black behavior.

White supremacy may disapprove of a certain black behavior and that behavior might nevertheless be bad for us independently of the disapproval.

But if the cases of lung cancer DECREASED after the introduction of cigarettes that would make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd right?

The crime rate in the Black community has DECREASED since the introduction of hip hop

College graduation rates have INCREASED since the introduction of hip hop

Fuck your feelings these are easily verifiable facts. You're not making as good of points as you think right now do some research.

Crime increased since the introduction of hip hop. That's a fact. Now it has in more recent years decreased again. But that's consistent with hip hop being a contributing factor. There are other factors in play obviously, and no one with any sense would say that hip hop is the only factor.

Same thing with college graduation rates.

And if the cases of lung cancer decreased after the introduction of cigarettes, that would not make the whole notion that cigarettes contributed to lung cancer seem absurd. The other factors in play might have receded in their effects just as cigarettes were becoming widely used.

*SIGH* stick to arguing your feelings bro. Facts aren't your strong point.

Homicide Rate

Dropout Rates

source :http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012006.pdf

College Attendance

Ok, I appear to stand corrected about college graduation rates. (Still, it is well known that the racial test score gap was steadily closing for decades, but either slowed down or started widely again in the late 80s.) But what you posted supports what I said about crime rates. Hip hop was around by the mid-1990s. And already very popular too.

Anyway, you have not addressed the most important point. This is that something can contribute to the increase (or decrease) of something while the general level of that thing is decreasing (or increasing). So, for example, if rates of lung cancer started to decline just as cigarettes were becoming more widely used, that would not show that cigarette smoking does not contribute positively to lung cancer.

No bruh...hip hop was around in the late 70's...and then crime started decreasing well into the mid 80's and then began to climb when crack started to spread. The crime rate decreased as hip hop initially spread and then increased as crack spread...since crack has dried up it's been falling ever since the mid 90's and is almost half of what it was in the 70's.

The crime rate did not increase following the introduction of hip hop - that was the most important point. There's no purpose of going off on a tangent now about cigarettes and lung cancer.