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I do like 9 th wonders beats a lil better but Kanye tight when he's got his head on right. After his mom died tho you never know what this nigguh gong do
Phonte is not better than Andre to me. 3 stacks bring more of a personality to his delivery. But much like kanye you gotta hope Andre is focused and not on some strange shit.
Canibus IS better Lyrically than Big. Like some others said, he's got too much wordplay and his clarity of his delivery is almost unmatched when Big often sounded like a fat nigga with a stuffy nose. Big a better hit maker tho.
Everybody knows I think Jay so weak now that he shoulda been retired but I haven't been able to embrace the MF Doom swings that I've heard. I just haven't been able to get into that nigga like that but there's other underground cats that I do feel got more raw talent than Jay Z, even Joel Ortiz got hotter one liners than Jay to me but I'm just not into Doom
Phonte is not better than Andre to me. 3 stacks bring more of a personality to his delivery. But much like kanye you gotta hope Andre is focused and not on some strange shit.
Canibus IS better Lyrically than Big. Like some others said, he's got too much wordplay and his clarity of his delivery is almost unmatched when Big often sounded like a fat nigga with a stuffy nose. Big a better hit maker tho.
Everybody knows I think Jay so weak now that he shoulda been retired but I haven't been able to embrace the MF Doom swings that I've heard. I just haven't been able to get into that nigga like that but there's other underground cats that I do feel got more raw talent than Jay Z, even Joel Ortiz got hotter one liners than Jay to me but I'm just not into Doom
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its crazy at times...one of my boys only listen to that underground shyt and anything else is wack......i rarely discuss music with sun cuz of the stubborness......i remember one time kanye flashing lights was playing, and dude is like
"yo that shyt is wack
me: oh word did u really listen to it?
no all i heard was some dude singing
me: did you listen to the verses?
no, i didnt need to that shyt is trash.....
lol shyt is crazy and i can say that the homey could be worse than the commercial rap fans and the cats who judge music on how it sounds in the car stereo
"yo that shyt is wack
me: oh word did u really listen to it?
no all i heard was some dude singing
me: did you listen to the verses?
no, i didnt need to that shyt is trash.....
lol shyt is crazy and i can say that the homey could be worse than the commercial rap fans and the cats who judge music on how it sounds in the car stereo
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[video=youtube;D5fuQYxf0uY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5fuQYxf0uY[/video]
To appreciate great Hip Hop Songs like this that is actually entertaining, exciting and enjoyable to listen to oppossed to that really boring, bland, generic, robotic, depressing Back Pack Hip Hop?
This is a question to JustMightBeOk, Jamaica, Usmarin, Nujerz, Lab Baby, Choppa Style, genstasia, HLF, H Rap, Fazeem Blackball, t webb
To appreciate great Hip Hop Songs like this that is actually entertaining, exciting and enjoyable to listen to oppossed to that really boring, bland, generic, robotic, depressing Back Pack Hip Hop?
This is a question to JustMightBeOk, Jamaica, Usmarin, Nujerz, Lab Baby, Choppa Style, genstasia, HLF, H Rap, Fazeem Blackball, t webb
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KeepinItHundred
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jek;3455906 said:I do like 9 th wonders beats a lil better but Kanye tight when he's got his head on right. After his mom died tho you never know what this nigguh gong do
Phonte is not better than Andre to me. 3 stacks bring more of a personality to his delivery. But much like kanye you gotta hope Andre is focused and not on some strange shit.
Canibus IS better Lyrically than Big. Like some others said, he's got too much wordplay and his clarity of his delivery is almost unmatched when Big often sounded like a fat nigga with a stuffy nose. Big a better hit maker tho.
Everybody knows I think Jay so weak now that he shoulda been retired but I haven't been able to embrace the MF Doom swings that I've heard. I just haven't been able to get into that nigga like that but there's other underground cats that I do feel got more raw talent than Jay Z, even Joel Ortiz got hotter one liners than Jay to me but I'm just not into Doom
canibus is not better than biggie lyrically. you mistake canibus using big words all the time and talking about shit thats physically impossible as being good lyrically. he's just pretentious.
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5th Letter
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People like what they like. Deal with it.
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ptowndonte;3456903 said:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eminem
[video=youtube;76tBd1hfDFw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76tBd1hfDFw[/video]
Camron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay Z
Killa Cam killed murdered Jay Z on this Song
S.D.E., Purple Haze, Killa Season, Diplomatic Immunity>>>>>>>>>>Any Jay Z Album
Jay's best Album ever by far Reasonable Doubt isn't even in the top 10 greatest Albums ever released on Rocafella Records
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NothingButTheTruth
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Bigavelli;3456950 said:[video=youtube;76tBd1hfDFw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76tBd1hfDFw[/video]
Camron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay Z
Killa Cam killed murdered Jay Z on this Song
I've always thought this. To me, Cam and Beanie were way iller than Jay. Jay had a few catchy sing-along songs, but that's about it. If we talking straight spittin, Cam is definitely up there.
..But then again, Jay isn't top 10 to me, so my opinion on the matter is probably far from consensus. These dudes be putting Jay up there with people like Nas, which just doesn't make sense to me.
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just.might.b.ok
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max b got locked up for been wack, thank god he aint coming out
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EmbezzelJayR
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NothingButTheTruth;3455260 said:Nah, commercial fans are worse. They say things like Wayne and Drake are the greatest of all-time. Also, the examples you put up aren't that bad.
9th wonder being better than Kanye is debatable.
The phonte being better than 3k is stupid. Idk how you can think that.
Canibus is iller than Biggie with lyrics and wordplay. Big has better delivery tho.
MF Doom does rap words better than JayZ. Better vocab, word play, lyrics. Jay's flow is better tho.
Lol at Jay Electronica, Mr. Hit or Miss being better than Doom.
Couldn't say it any better MYSELF BRUH! MF DOOM getting slept on because he don't make POP MUSIC. RAW RAP is the way to go.
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Who the fuck merged that wack ass Shadyteam thread in here?
Do "backpackers", in the sense that T/S is referring to, even exist? Do those kind of people even go outside? No way in hell does any sane person that absorbs at least 30 minutes of sunlight a day listen to only MF DOOM and Canibus. I mean, I prefer lo fi sample heavy hip hop music, but I'd blow my brains out if I had to listen to that shit for the rest of my life. Same with synth heavy/pop whatever you call it music. I can go from
[video=youtube;0gEPxgPQmRc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gEPxgPQmRc[/video]
the shotgun a Four Loko and bump this
[video=youtube;6I-cjELVfLo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I-cjELVfLo[/video]
Fuck who don't like it...
Do "backpackers", in the sense that T/S is referring to, even exist? Do those kind of people even go outside? No way in hell does any sane person that absorbs at least 30 minutes of sunlight a day listen to only MF DOOM and Canibus. I mean, I prefer lo fi sample heavy hip hop music, but I'd blow my brains out if I had to listen to that shit for the rest of my life. Same with synth heavy/pop whatever you call it music. I can go from
[video=youtube;0gEPxgPQmRc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gEPxgPQmRc[/video]
the shotgun a Four Loko and bump this
[video=youtube;6I-cjELVfLo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I-cjELVfLo[/video]
Fuck who don't like it...
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KeepinItHundred;3456905 said:canibus is not better than biggie lyrically. you mistake canibus using big words all the time and talking about shit thats physically impossible as being good lyrically. he's just pretentious.
C/S. Only a few people, if any can paint a picture with simple words like BIG. Bis's rhyme style is basically a Dr Seuss poem with SAT words... just randomness strung together with little to no sense. Big can say something as simple as "I know what it feel like to wake up fucked up, pockets broke as hell, another rock to sell" and it'll resonate to people more than "run a plot on a map and hyper space ya / from the society of scientific exploration". Bis is definitely advanced technically, but don't confuse that with lyricism. Big is miles ahead just by being simple.
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NothingButTheTruth
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Lab Baby;3457575 said:C/S. Only a few people, if any can paint a picture with simple words like BIG. Bis's rhyme style is basically a Dr Seuss poem with SAT words... just randomness strung together with little to no sense. Big can say something as simple as "I know what it feel like to wake up fucked up, pockets broke as hell, another rock to sell" and it'll resonate to people more than "run a plot on a map and hyper space ya / from the society of scientific exploration". Bis is definitely advanced technically, but don't confuse that with lyricism. Big is miles ahead just by being simple.
That's Canibus now though. Canibus up to the year 2000 had a similar style to Biggie. Simple rhymes with ill flow and shock content, and that's when people say he was in his prime and a force to be reckoned with. Now he does that abstract form of rhyming on some Wu-Tang type shit, but more emphasis on science, and less emphasis on 5% street slang.
[video=youtube;thXOi0nRvHI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXOi0nRvHI[/video]
[video=youtube;fx1crp46Oy0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx1crp46Oy0&feature=related[/video]
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KeepinItHundred;3456905 said:canibus is not better than biggie lyrically. you mistake canibus using big words all the time and talking about shit thats physically impossible as being good lyrically. he's just pretentious.
Fuck outta here! So in other words, you penalizing Bis for having a bigger vocabulary than other rappers and using his mind. I've never seen Canibus get sonned on a feature, infact if you listen to the lost boys joint he was first on to the fantastic 4 shit on dj clues shit, to him holding his own wit 3 lyrical monsters in the 4 horsemen to him on the Firm album he always make you forget other people are on the track. Do you know how tough it is to outshine AZ on a track nigga? And you Cant tell me his delivery ain't clearer than Bigs. If he got the same beats in his career that Big had this nigga woulda been a problem and woulda shut down the whole rap game but with the exception of second round K.O and the title track to Canibus 2001 (which was cold as fuck) he never ever got decent beats. I'm saying he's the better lyricist because for crying out loud, if the nigguh got one strength that he's known for when his name pops up, its Lyrics! When you think of Big you think of classic two albums, king of new York, can do storytelling as well as club joints, sonned by Pac, so Big might be different things to different people but Bis is always known first and for most for Lyrics. That's not to say he's the better overall rapper or has had the better impact on the game or nothing but just going off just lyrical prowness whichis only one element you gotta give it to Bis
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I just can not listen to Back Pack Hip Hop i would rather watch paint dry that is how boring and depressing and a hell of a task it is for me to listen to Back Pack Hip Hop
With Max B i am going to get really entertained, really enjoy the Music, really enjoy the vibe i am going to get fire Lyrics, fire Hooks, fire Beats, fire Flow, fire Delivery from listening to Max B i never get bored of any Max B Song that's how high his Music has replay value to me you never get slightly bored
In the real world outside Internet blogs i do not hear anyone bump Back Pack Rappers Music but i hear everyone from the hood to the suburbs dudes to females blacks to whites poor to rich folk bump Max B's Music hard
Great Music>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
With Max B i am going to get really entertained, really enjoy the Music, really enjoy the vibe i am going to get fire Lyrics, fire Hooks, fire Beats, fire Flow, fire Delivery from listening to Max B i never get bored of any Max B Song that's how high his Music has replay value to me you never get slightly bored
In the real world outside Internet blogs i do not hear anyone bump Back Pack Rappers Music but i hear everyone from the hood to the suburbs dudes to females blacks to whites poor to rich folk bump Max B's Music hard
Great Music>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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jek;3457756 said:Fuck outta here! So in other words, you penalizing Bis for having a bigger vocabulary than other rappers and using his mind. I've never seen Canibus get sonned on a feature, infact if you listen to the lost boys joint he was first on to the fantastic 4 shit on du clue shit to the firm album he always make you forget other people are on the track. Do you know how tough it is to outshine AZ on a track nigga? And you Cantrell me his delivery ain't clearer than Bigs. If he got the same beats in his career that Big had this nigga woulda been a problem and woulda shut down the whole rap game but with the exception of second round job and the title track to Canibus 2001 (which was cold as fuck) he never ever got decent beats. I'm saying he's the better lyricist because for crying out loud, if the nigguh git one strength that he's known for when his name pops up, its Lyrics! When you think of Big you think of classic two albums, king of new York, can do storytelling as well as club joints, sonned by Pac, so Big might be different things to different people but Bis is always known first and for most for Lyrics. That's not to say he's the better overall rapper or has had the better impact on the game or nothing but just going off just lyrical prowness whichis only one element you gotta give it to Bis
That's the whole thing tho... what memorable lyrics does Bis have? Yeah, he definitely has vocabulary and multisyllabics over Big, but when was the last time anyone has quoted a Canibus line? He's in his own little world lyrically, and it's interesting to hear him spit the way he does... but he can't move the crowd with words like Big. I know you mentioned the storytelling thing already, but name a Canibus story track with as much detail as Niggas Bleed or Somebody's Gotta Die.
*NOTE: I don't really listen to too much Canibus, so I might just be talkin outta my ass
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NothingButTheTruth
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That's true, the one thing Biggie does has over Canibus is storytelling. Canibus stories are terrible imo.
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Well not alotta people are gonna beat biggie at stories but also not alotta people are gonna out syllable Canibus at rapping either. That's what I'm sayin. But Atleast Big had above average beats to rap over his whole career so there's other factors involve in being a good enuff Mc to change the game. I feel you guys about Canibus short comings as far as song making you guys...Hell Snoop makes better songs but that don't mean you generally consider Snoop the better lyricist than Canibus as far as flow And metaphors do you? And with murder was the case Snoop prove he ain't shabby with storytelling either.
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