Does Timberland deserve to be ranked in the top 10 Hiphop beatmakers?

[Mumo X]

Timbaland is more deserving of a Top 10 spot than a Kanye or Just Blaze. Timbaland changed the sound of Hip Hop on numerous occassions and opened up the door for guys like Swizz, Mannie, Kanye, Just and most of the producers who blew up after '97 to do what they do.

Why does Timbaland deserve a Top 10 spot?

1) He introduced Hip Hop to the double time drum.

2) He introduced Hip Hop to the sampling of Middle Eastern and Indian music.

3) He had laughing babies and crickets on tracks that topped the Top 40. Hip Hop tracks nonetheless.

Does Timbaland have a Hip Hop classic? Missy's Supa Dupa Fly is considered by several critics as an essential album of the '90's. Allmusic.com gave it a perfect score hailing it as the most influential album released by a female rapper and crediting the album with changing the sound of Hip Hop and R&B.

Cmon son, please stop.

how the hell is missy's supa dupa fly classic?? it wuznt a landmark record,what exactly wuz its impact and influence

to my knowledge it dint change the game

Kanye is a musical genius, proof of that is MDTF, his latest effort plus he gave us college dropout,Late Registration and his work on BluePrint wuz impeccable and Breath-taking.

Timbo is skilled but the fact is that he is yet to craft 20 dope Hiphop beats

 

[georgia boi]

Classic Timbaland productions:

[video=youtube;T7aBTqnnx74]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7aBTqnnx74[/video]

[video=youtube;RzqakZnhNFQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzqakZnhNFQ[/video]

[video=youtube;M2lScMkHPe0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2lScMkHPe0[/video]

[video=youtube;vBPxTGSP_uQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBPxTGSP_uQ[/video]

[video=youtube;VcW3jiwBPPg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcW3jiwBPPg[/video]

[video=youtube;wSjdaLsrex0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSjdaLsrex0[/video]

[video=youtube;08-5a3l4WIw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08-5a3l4WIw[/video]

[video=youtube;HBr2CvE370Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBr2CvE370Y[/video]

[video=youtube;r40jhDusKsY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r40jhDusKsY[/video]

 

[Mumo X]

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2008/10/06/081006crmu_music_frerejones

^^^ Besides Dre, The Neptunes, and RZA, and a few others, there aren't many Hip Hop producers that can claim an era.

It's impossible to calculate Timbaland's impact on urban music. Beginning in the mid-'90s, the Virginia producer not only revolutionized how hip-hop and R&B sounded, he also changed how pop audiences view the role of the producer.

Timbaland's influence in nearly every Southern and Midwestern producer, and his sound has been adopted by pop acts ranging from Justin Timberlake to Nelly Furtado. He is among the most respected figures in hip-hop, and in many ways is comparable to legendary pop producers such as Phil Spector.

^^^Rhapsody Music http://www.rhapsody.com/timbaland

Timbaland's style of rejecting samples in favor of a sound layered with a variety of instruments and beats became one of the most distinctive in contemporary hip-hop and r&b. His work with Aaliyah on such classics as 1998's "Are You That Somebody" and 2000's "Try Again" took hip hop in idiosyncratic new directions. Timbaland brought Asian and Middle Eastern influences into his work with Jay-Z ("Big Pimpin'") and Missy Elliott ("Get Ur Freak On")

^^^About.com http://top40.about.com/od/popmusicmvps/p/timbaland.htm

Check the bolded.

Justin Timberlake,Furtado and Phil Spector aint Hiphop, they pop and Nelly is what we refer to as HipPop

look georgia boi, i aint denyin Timbo's overall impact in contemporary music. All i am sayin is that his body of work in Hiphop jus falls short when brought up against the discography of his contemporaries

the keyword is Hiphop

 

[georgia boi]

Cmon son, please stop.

how the hell is missy's supa dupa fly classic?? it wuznt a landmark record,what exactly wuz its impact and influence

to my knowledge it dint change the gameKanye is a musical genius, proof of that is MDTF, his latest effort plus he gave us college dropout,Late Registration and his work on BluePrint wuz impeccable and Breath-taking.

Timbo is skilled but the fact is that he is yet to craft 20 dope Hiphop beats

Key point, to your knowledge. When Supa Dupa Fly dropped, nobody was checking for your album if it didn't follow the trend of The Hitmen and Trackmasters sampling 80's pop and R&B records. Supa Dupa Fly broke the rules and introduced new drum patterns and "Beep Me 911" was a single that utilized no samples at all. As for lasting influence on the game, look no further than Nicki's new album.

Nothing outside of Blueprint, which also has credit due to Just Blaze and Bink! who all shared equal production credits w/ Ye, has been produced by Kanye that changed Hip Hop production. Kanye isn't in the echelon of producers of a Dre, Timbaland or Neptunes which makes it easy for legends like Quincy to dismiss him.

 

[georgia boi]

Check the bolded.

Justin Timberlake,Furtado and Phil Spector aint Hiphop, they pop and Nelly is what we refer to as HipPop

look georgia boi, i aint denyin Timbo's overall impact in contemporary music. All i am sayin is that his body of work in Hiphop jus falls short when brought up against the discography of his contemporaries

the keyword is Hiphop

You emphasized "POP" and failed to acknowledge the mentions of Hip Hop in the article. Come on, man. If you are going to make an argument at least see beyond what you want to see. You made a thread to discredit as a Hip Hop producer, but besides your own observations, have failed to offer anything in the way of proving why he's so overrated. Saying he's average or that his Pop and R&B productions are better than his Hip Hop productions do nothing to back up your claims.

 

[Mumo X]

Classic Timbaland productions:

[video=youtube;T7aBTqnnx74]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7aBTqnnx74[/video]

[video=youtube;RzqakZnhNFQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzqakZnhNFQ[/video]

[video=youtube;M2lScMkHPe0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2lScMkHPe0[/video]

[video=youtube;vBPxTGSP_uQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBPxTGSP_uQ[/video]

[video=youtube;VcW3jiwBPPg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcW3jiwBPPg[/video]

[video=youtube;wSjdaLsrex0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSjdaLsrex0[/video]

[video=youtube;08-5a3l4WIw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08-5a3l4WIw[/video]

[video=youtube;HBr2CvE370Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBr2CvE370Y[/video]

[video=youtube;r40jhDusKsY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r40jhDusKsY[/video]

We talkin hiphop bruh!!!!

[video=youtube;ycJ5m5Mt9JE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycJ5m5Mt9JE[/video]

[video=youtube;m-2klRHBvxo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-2klRHBvxo[/video]

[video=youtube;cP0wsET8__Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0wsET8__Y[/video]

[video=youtube;M4Bx7R0LKx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Bx7R0LKx0[/video]

[video=youtube;KTGxPiEg7iM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTGxPiEg7iM[/video]

Now that Hiphop, not RnB or Pop

 

[The LouisiAnimal]

Yall buggin, while I don't consider him hip-hop presently you can't deny he's a GOAT producer and changed the landscape of hip-hop production.

 

[Mumo X]

You emphasized "POP" and failed to acknowledge the mentions of Hip Hop in the article. Come on, man. If you are going to make an argument at least see beyond what you want to see. You made a thread to discredit as a Hip Hop producer, but besides your own observations, have failed to offer anything in the way of proving why he's so overrated. Saying he's average or that his Pop and R&B productions are better than his Hip Hop productions do nothing to back up your claims.

You the one who tryna avoid my question:

Please, would you be kind enough to tell me what Classic album Timbo laced that left an indelible mark in Hiphop, an album or songs that will be revered in many years to come.....

I said Timbo is an overatted Hiphop producer and i gave you facts to back up my claim. You still not convince me yet why Timbo should be in the top 10?

 

[Mumo X]

Yall buggin, while I don't consider him hip-hop presently you can't deny he's a GOAT producer and changed the landscape of hip-hop production.

I disagree with the Bolded. Rza birthed Kanye and Just Blaze, what bout Timbo???

please school me

 

[georgia boi]

We talkin hiphop bruh!!!!

[video=youtube;ycJ5m5Mt9JE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycJ5m5Mt9JE[/video]

[video=youtube;m-2klRHBvxo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-2klRHBvxo[/video]

[video=youtube;cP0wsET8__Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0wsET8__Y[/video]

[video=youtube;M4Bx7R0LKx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Bx7R0LKx0[/video]

[video=youtube;KTGxPiEg7iM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTGxPiEg7iM[/video]

Now that Hiphop, not RnB or Pop

Hip Hop isn't monolithic, one dimensional, or some genre that people can just put in a box. I mean, this is Hip Hop too:

[video=youtube;hh1AypBaIEk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh1AypBaIEk[/video]

[video=youtube;kaFygeknae8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaFygeknae8[/video]

[video=youtube;DphkDgAMKqY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DphkDgAMKqY[/video]

[video=youtube;DphkDgAMKqY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DphkDgAMKqY[/video]

What makes the tracks you posted any more Hip Hop than the ones I posted? Further more, how are you going to consider My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, Late Registration, and Graduation Hip Hop masterpieces when it greatly contrasts to what you posted as "Real Hip Hop". If anything Kanye's sound is just as "Pop" as Timbaland these days.

 

[georgia boi]

You the one who tryna avoid my question:

Please, would you be kind enough to tell me what Classic album Timbo laced that left an indelible mark in Hiphop, an album or songs that will be revered in many years to come.....

I said Timbo is an overatted Hiphop producer and i gave you facts to back up my claim. You still not convince me yet why Timbo should be in the top 10?

I gave you an album that left an indelible mark in Hip Hop and the songs.

Album: http://www.allmusic.com/album/supa-dupa-fly-r278334

Arguably the most influential album ever released by a female hip-hop artist, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott's debut album, Supa Dupa Fly, is a boundary-shattering postmodern masterpiece. It had a tremendous impact on hip-hop, and an even bigger one on R&B, as its futuristic, nearly experimental style became the de facto sound of urban radio at the close of the millennium. A substantial share of the credit has to go to producer Timbaland, whose lean, digital grooves are packed with unpredictable arrangements and stuttering rhythms that often resemble slowed-down drum'n'bass breakbeats. The results are not only unique, they're nothing short of revolutionary, making Timbaland a hip name to drop in electronica circles as well. For her part, Elliott impresses with her versatility -- she's a singer, a rapper, and an equal songwriting partner,

http://www.allmusic.com/album/supa-dupa-fly-r278334

^^^ That article clearly states the album's impact and influence. You may or may not choose to acknowledge it, but it is what it is.

 

[Mumo X]

What makes the tracks you posted any more Hip Hop than the ones I posted? Further more, how are you going to consider My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, Late Registration, and Graduation Hip Hop masterpieces when it greatly contrasts to what you posted as "Real Hip Hop". If anything Kanye's sound is just as "Pop" as Timbaland these days.

@ the bolded,,you said it yoself; these days...

Kanye is more versatile,diverse and creative than timbo.

He can give us college dropout and MTDF at the same time....thats a testament to his musical genius.

Timbo cant craft that raw,dark,grimey hiphop sound/beat........Timbo is jus a great POP Producer

 

[Mumo X]

@ Georgia boi gotta run, i'll be back in 3 hours.

we need to chop this shit up

 

[georgia boi]

@ the bolded,,you said it yoself; these days...

Kanye is more versatile,diverse and creative than timbo.

He can give us college dropout and MTDF at the same time....thats a testament to his musical genius.

Timbo cant craft that raw,dark,grimey hiphop sound/beat........Timbo is jus a great POP Producer

Kanye West is better than Timbo these days. He's better than most producers these days, but that by no means makes him better than Timbaland overall.

Kanye West is by no means more creative, diverse or versatile than Timbaland. College Dropout and MBDTF are six years a part. Timbaland was crafting dark, raw, grimey productions like this:



^^^ That song was able to co-exist and then go and create something a soft as this from the same album:



Timbaland is diverse and versatile enough where he can give you a sample, an interpolation, or an original. He can give an MC a club smash like Luda's "Roll Out" or Bubba's "Ugly", he could give them a grimey street banger like The Game's "Put You On The Game" or Jay Z's "Nigga What, Nigga Who", he can give an MC something introspective like Drake's "Thank Me Now", something totally off the wall like Missy's "Get Ur Freak On" or "Gossip Folks". Kanye on the other hand gives everybody soul samples that for the most part border on mid tempo, introspective joints. Timbaland effectively produces three different genres of music, where Kanye only effectively does one.

LOL @ Timbaland not being able to create a grimey record when these songs are more raw, grimey and street than anything Kanye's ever produced:

Jay Z- Nigga What, Nigga Who

Jay Z- Come and Get Me

Memphis Bleek- Is That Your Chick

The Game- Put You On The Game

Young Jeey- 3 A.M.

Snoop Dogg- feat. Damian Marley- Get A Light

50 Cent- You Should Be Dead

Lloyd Banks- I'm So Fly

Ludacris- Phat Rabbit

 

[Stew]

Most of his pop beats could have easily been hip hop beats if somebody rapped on them instead of sang on them. That's hardly his fault. They're still hot beats.

Good point. I own 4 pop records outside of Michael Jackson. Ginuwines 1st two cds, Justin Timberlake's Future Sex/Love Sound and Nelly Furtado's Loose. Only reason I own these records is cause of the Hip Hopish production brought to you by Timbaland.

Absolutely Timbaland belongs in Top 10 GOAT Hip Hop producers.

 

[georgia boi]

LMAO ROFL!

C'mon my nigga. I respect you alot as a poster but c'mon.

Even so though does 1 album make you a top 10 producer? Naw. Kanye, Just Blaze > Timbo.

Appreciate the respect.

No the 1 album alone doesn't make him a Top 10 producer. Timbaland brought a lot to the table in regards to his production as a Hip Hop producer. Kanye himself has cited Timbaland as an influence on his sound. Just Blaze is another producer that has been influenced by Timbaland. On the subject of Just Blaze, dude doesn't even have an album to his credit to even be mentioned amongst the Top 10. I mean people claim Dr. Dre to be lazy, but Dr. Dre has done more in the past two years than Just Blaze has in the past six.

If Timbaland was just some old rinky dink producer, this thread wouldn't even be up for debate. Timbaland is one of the most cutting edge, trend setting, creative, diverse, versatile producers that Hip Hop has ever seen. Up until late 2008, dude was almost unstoppable. Never has any producer in Hip Hop simultaneously changed the sound of three genres. He's a producer that transcends genre. Other Hip Hop producers produce tracks for artists outside of Hip Hop here and there, but he's laced entire albums for artists outside of Hip Hop. They came to Timbaland because they wanted a Hip Hop sound. Madonna is an artist that could sell records off of her name alone, but she chose Timbo and The Neptunes to helm a record that would be big with the Hip Hop crowd.

 

[a.mann]

Pardon me my niggaz, but imo Timbo is one of the most overatted producers in Hiphop. Dude makes top 10 in most peoples list, some even have him in they top 5.

Why is he mentioned in the same sentence as these dudes??

Rza

Marley Marl

Premo

Dre

Kanye

Just

Dilla

Timbo doesnt have a critically acclaimed Hiphop album like "36 Chambers" or "The Sun rises in the East" in his production discography.

School me on this: If Timbo wuz to retire today, what would be his impact in Hiphop????

Keyword: Hiphop.......

imo we should be able to distinguish between Pop and Hiphop when ranking these producers....

simple answer

he does not belong

and its sickening that you have niggas here that can't just stick to straight hip hop without mentioning R&B and pop

to make their arguement

 

[georgia boi]

simple answer

he does not belong

and its sickening that you have niggas here that can't just stick to straight hip hop without mentioning R&B and pop

to make their arguement

I would like to know why he doesn't belong, but yet producers like Just Blaze make the list and he hasn't even entirely produced a Hip Hop album let alone classic. If it's an issue of catalog, there's 2-3 producers that consistently show up in top 5's that have only contributed to classic albums let alone produced entire albums that rank up in the echelon of the albums that they contributed production to. Dre, RZA, Bomb Squad, Rick Rubin, Marley Marl have credits as sole producers of classic albums. Other acclaimed producers are mostly present in Top 10 lists for contributions on Illmatic, Ready To Die, Reasonable Doubt, and other classic debuts from the 90's. Some would argue that those producers are Top 5 material solely for the contributions to those albums alone which is a discredit to Large Professor, Easy Mo Bee, and Ski all of whom contributed as much if not more to those albums than the producers that people give more credit to.

Timbaland has laced several Hip Hop albums entirely. He hasn't produced an album that's on the caliber of Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, 36 Chambers, The Chronic, or It Takes A Nation, but sonically, his sound has been just as revolutionary as any of those producers. The only discredit to Timbaland is catalog. You would get few if any complaints about Tim's production on any album he's produced. If anything, it would be complaints about why he gave such and such a beat that dope. Timbaland isn't Top 5, but very well deserving of a Top 10 spot.

 

[antoseeg]

I wasn't aware that he wasn't already in the top 10. His work with Aaliyah and Ginuwine back in the 90's stills gets lots of play and his Justin Timberlake albums are classics and his work with Jay-z always sounds good.

 

[Mumo X]

I would like to know why he doesn't belong, but yet producers like Just Blaze make the list and he hasn't even entirely produced a Hip Hop album let alone classic. If it's an issue of catalog, there's 2-3 producers that consistently show up in top 5's that have only contributed to classic albums let alone produced entire albums that rank up in the echelon of the albums that they contributed production to. Dre, RZA, Bomb Squad, Rick Rubin, Marley Marl have credits as sole producers of classic albums. Other acclaimed producers are mostly present in Top 10 lists for contributions on Illmatic, Ready To Die, Reasonable Doubt, and other classic debuts from the 90's. Some would argue that those producers are Top 5 material solely for the contributions to those albums alone which is a discredit to Large Professor, Easy Mo Bee, and Ski all of whom contributed as much if not more to those albums than the producers that people give more credit to.

Timbaland has laced several Hip Hop albums entirely. He hasn't produced an album that's on the caliber of Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, 36 Chambers, The Chronic, or It Takes A Nation, but sonically, his sound has been just as revolutionary as any of those producers. The only discredit to Timbaland is catalog. You would get few if any complaints about Tim's production on any album he's produced. If anything, it would be complaints about why he gave such and such a beat that dope. Timbaland isn't Top 5, but very well deserving of a Top 10 spot.

True, Just hasnt laced a whole album yet but he has crafted some of the Greatest hiphop beats. His catalogue is immaculate. Just body of work is jus full of Classics especially his work wit ROC Artistes. He can lace you wit a club joint "oh boy", introspective joint " some how some way", Street banger "Breathe", slow melodic songs "Soon youll understand". Nuthn Timbo wil ever make wil touch Just discography in Hiphop. If its Pop then Timbo is definately better than Just.