Do you believe in Evolution?

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Even though this thread is 10 pages long evolution posts are like crack to me and I am compelled to respond.

Almost all biologists will say evolution is a fact, however they would say evolution by natural selection is a theory. Looking at the world around us leads to the factual observation that some kind of evolution has occurred. DNA, morphology, zoology, and paleontology independently produce enough evidence to show evolution is factual. The mechanism of evolution is the theoretical part. Evolution could be done by aliens, God, Natural Selection, or a process yet unknown, however the preponderance of evidence support natural selection.

It is just a theory

Evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory. This mean it has been tested and met observational confirmation. It is not simply an idea or hypothesis. A theory explains fact but a theory can never be a fact. There is often this belief that once a theory is proven it becomes fact or worse a Law. A theory is an explanation of facts and observations that provides predictive value. A fact is simply an observable truth. For instance water will flow from higher concentration to lower concentration across a permeable surface. So water will pool on a tile floor but if you drop a towel onto the pool it will be absorbed into the towel. This is a trivial thing and would never be called a theory however this concept leads to Osmosis and the theory of Homeostasis.

There is no progression in science above theory. A theory is the top of the chart. In the 19th century and earlier several theories were labelled laws due to their ability to be expressed as short equations. F=ma is Newton's second law of motion for instance but by the late 19th century and onwards this fell out of fashion. This is due to the fact that there is no difference between a 'law' and a 'theory' (other than a law typical results in an equation while a theory is not bound to this rule.) However both can be dis proven or altered. For example Newton laws on gravity were generalized by Einstein. Newton could not explain the orbit of Mercury using his 'laws' but Einstein could using his theory.

If we evolved from apes why are there still apes

I thought the if-america-was-settled-by-british-people-why-are-there-still-british-people analogy should have answered this however I will try using biological examples. Human beings share a common ancestor with Chimpanzees and Bonobos. This common ancestor lived about 6 million years ago. A researcher by the name of Tim White(and a large team supporting him) has uncovered an amazing fossil of a species that lived about 4.4 million years ago called Ardipithucus ramidus. This creature is very close to the common ancestor probably looked like. One of the more amazing things about Ardi is it turns the "we evolved from apes" or its head a bit as the fossil suggests that chimp and bonobos evolved from us. Not Homo sapiens but from a bipedal human-like creature into a knuckle-walking arboreal creature.

Regardless of the 'direction' of evolution the reasons the species still exist today is all the same, reproductive isolation, varying environments, and time. If you place a population of the exact same species into 3 different environments and ensure they can only reproduce within there environmental set given enough time they will speciate into 3 different species. The 3 might be very similar like a Lion and a Tiger and could even produce infertile offspring like a Liger but if they are at that point they are permanently on different evolutionary paths. One of which might lead to humans while an other leads to Bonobos.
 
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my question is, how can you believe in evolution and not be atheist?

that shit is mind boggling
 
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kai_valya;3843884 said:
random process, non-random selection. natural selection is the exact opposite of chance. yes it does at the bolded, new variations come from mutations. and for the last fucking time, saying something is a theory in science does not mean in anyway that it is less credible or false, it actually means the opposite since it is the last step in the scientific process. you do know that gravity is "just a theory" as well don't you, and do you doubt the truth/validity of gravity.

and there is no respectable, credible scientist that doubts that evolution is a fact. i'm done trying to educate you simpletons. how about you actually read some literature on the subject or take a biology course or something.

So im a simpleton but yet i belive in evolution??

i came with a logical answer a rational one at that and your putting emotion in your post.

can u come with a counter agrument to "blind watch maker" or "irreducible complexity"??? i mean if u guys are so smart youd have a counter argument, mostlikely not tho.

Obviously evolution is real, but humans did not come from monkeys.

mammoth to elephant? yes.

Lion to cat? yes (yea yea yea i kno they the same family, im jus making it simple to prove my point dont piss your panties)

Wolf to lion? yes

Monkey to human??? u gotta be kidding me.
 
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Psycho_;3844781 said:
my question is, how can you believe in evolution and not be atheist?

that shit is mind boggling

Im agnostic and somewhat religious.

Science and religon clash together.

do u understand that people who meditate for years know 100x more aboutthe earth and the purpose and imporatnce of life?

word to DMT. people take this drug to unlock parts of the brain that make u trip and open your mind to a new perspective and an unknown knowledge to the average mind but its funny because monks and nuns who are very serious about meidtation and focus already have that part of their brain unlocked....to say religon is bullshit (not sayin that ur saying that, is quite ignorant. its about the WORD not the actions of human beings that abused it.
 
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To believe in evolution is to hang your hat on findings and analysis that you were not here to even witness for yourself.

So I would say evolution theory is a belief (even though you can theorize about the process based on certain findings and what not..) it is yet and still a theory that you have to believe takes place though you will not live to see it ever take place.

So what many of you claim to be a fact is actually a mere belief in something you cannot prove because YOU DID NOT SEE IT TRANSITION FOR YOURSELF...regardless of findings and analysis.

The same standard evolutionist hold creationist to they have to apply to themselves also


Oh... btw... the primate gene tree's conflict & contradict one another. I wouldn't be quick to hang my hat on something inconclusive.

Look it up for yourself>>> primate genomes in Ensembl database for FOXP2
 
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So noone can refute the most logical counter argument on page 10?

thats what i thought all talk, niggas in here talkin like they really college educated about this shit. if u cant come up with a rebuttal then sit down n stfu
 
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kai_valya;3834004 said:
at the 1st bolded, actually yes it is, why do you think certain antibiotics don't work anymore? because bacteria have evolved to become immune to those treatments, elephants are evolving to not have tusks as a means of avoiding poachers, cod have evolved to grow leaner so as to avoid fishing traps, or the fish in the hudson river evolving toxic immunity.
ok now this was dumb for real tho LOL

thats why in my last post i said you were a little off. i dont doubt that you have the right perspective but your examples are wrong as fuck

cod did not evolve to grow leaner to avoid fishing traps. the leaner cod simply survive the trap more often, thus making their traits the more abundant traits because they are the majority of the survivors. they did not "evolve" into a leaner fish, thats just the majority that are left. youre saying it like all cod kept getting caught, and had to be leaner to survive... hell no thats wrong. fatter cods have a much more slim chance of escaping and it has nothing to do with anything else. its not like an aquatic animal developing feet over thousands of years because of an expanding thriving habitat and now they come on land too. same thing with elephants ... its not like some survival mechanism is going off in their genes making them not grow tusks. fact is each and every elephant doesnt have tusks, so who do you think is gonna survive and pass on traits??

if a law was passed saying only light skin black people will be allowed to have children and and any baby born darker than a certain shade will be killed thats not evolution LOL so how can you say black people in that case have EVOLVED into lighter people?? thats not even natural selection because then you would have to say that white people are the natural predators of black people LOL and that companies like gortons are the natural predators of cod. every example you gave was some shit thats not even natural yet your calling it evolution. im not even gonna go in on your gravity example lol my main point is you should atleast learn to articulate before you get all worked up over a simple convo. it seems like everytime you get mad on here it has something to do with you studying for hours and years so cant nobody tell you shit. look in the damn mirror for once LOL

like i said ... I SEE what youre saying but you simply arent articulating it correctly ... so chill with all the insults your throwing at posters because youre obviously no expert. what you may posses in knowledge of science etc, some one else can atleast articulate what they know in some other field so that some one else can learn and understand it. you cant do that LOL
 
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blackdemo;3845446 said:
So noone can refute the most logical counter argument on page 10?

thats what i thought all talk, niggas in here talkin like they really college educated about this shit. if u cant come up with a rebuttal then sit down n stfu
whats the post number???
 
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Mr. AJ;3845384 said:
To believe in evolution is to hang your hat on findings and analysis that you were not here to even witness for yourself...
If you've ever seen two people have a child, and the child was not exactly the same--genotypically and phenotypically--as one of the parents, then you've seen evolution.
 
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fiat_money;3845717 said:
If you've ever seen two people have a child, and the child was not exactly the same--genotypically and phenotypically--as one of the parents, then you've seen evolution.
nigga please that child has his grandparents traits then LOL
 
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UPTOWN (CONNEXX);3845727 said:
nigga please that child has his grandparents traits then LOL
Then the fact that his grandparents differ genotypically and phenotypically from his parents means evolution occurred.
 
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fiat_money;3845752 said:
Then the fact that his grandparents differ genotypically and phenotypically from his parents means evolution occurred.

so your saying if my dad doesnt look like his dad but i look like his dad then it was an evolve and then a revolve??

im seriously asking no sarcasm

i really am trying to understand what youre saying
 
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whar67;3844767 said:
Even though this thread is 10 pages long evolution posts are like crack to me and I am compelled to respond.

Almost all biologists will say evolution is a fact, however they would say evolution by natural selection is a theory. Looking at the world around us leads to the factual observation that some kind of evolution has occurred. DNA, morphology, zoology, and paleontology independently produce enough evidence to show evolution is factual. The mechanism of evolution is the theoretical part. Evolution could be done by aliens, God, Natural Selection, or a process yet unknown, however the preponderance of evidence support natural selection.

It is just a theory

Evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory. This mean it has been tested and met observational confirmation. It is not simply an idea or hypothesis. A theory explains fact but a theory can never be a fact. There is often this belief that once a theory is proven it becomes fact or worse a Law. A theory is an explanation of facts and observations that provides predictive value. A fact is simply an observable truth. For instance water will flow from higher concentration to lower concentration across a permeable surface. So water will pool on a tile floor but if you drop a towel onto the pool it will be absorbed into the towel. This is a trivial thing and would never be called a theory however this concept leads to Osmosis and the theory of Homeostasis.

There is no progression in science above theory. A theory is the top of the chart. In the 19th century and earlier several theories were labelled laws due to their ability to be expressed as short equations. F=ma is Newton's second law of motion for instance but by the late 19th century and onwards this fell out of fashion. This is due to the fact that there is no difference between a 'law' and a 'theory' (other than a law typical results in an equation while a theory is not bound to this rule.) However both can be dis proven or altered. For example Newton laws on gravity were generalized by Einstein. Newton could not explain the orbit of Mercury using his 'laws' but Einstein could using his theory.

If we evolved from apes why are there still apes

I thought the if-america-was-settled-by-british-people-why-are-there-still-british-people analogy should have answered this however I will try using biological examples. Human beings share a common ancestor with Chimpanzees and Bonobos. This common ancestor lived about 6 million years ago. A researcher by the name of Tim White(and a large team supporting him) has uncovered an amazing fossil of a species that lived about 4.4 million years ago called Ardipithucus ramidus. This creature is very close to the common ancestor probably looked like. One of the more amazing things about Ardi is it turns the "we evolved from apes" or its head a bit as the fossil suggests that chimp and bonobos evolved from us. Not Homo sapiens but from a bipedal human-like creature into a knuckle-walking arboreal creature.

Regardless of the 'direction' of evolution the reasons the species still exist today is all the same, reproductive isolation, varying environments, and time. If you place a population of the exact same species into 3 different environments and ensure they can only reproduce within there environmental set given enough time they will speciate into 3 different species. The 3 might be very similar like a Lion and a Tiger and could even produce infertile offspring like a Liger but if they are at that point they are permanently on different evolutionary paths. One of which might lead to humans while an other leads to Bonobos.

cool

thanks for this write-up

very necessary
 
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UPTOWN (CONNEXX);3845775 said:
so your saying if my dad doesnt look like his dad but i look like his dad then it was an evolve and then a revolve??

im seriously asking no sarcasm

i really am trying to understand what youre saying
No, I'm saying if at any point in your ancestry, someone's child differed from their parents; then evolution has occurred. Whether your dad differs from you, your grandfather differs from you, your grandfather differs from your dad, etc; all are examples of evolution.
 
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fiat_money;3845841 said:
No, I'm saying if at any point in your ancestry, someone's child differed from their parents; then evolution has occurred. Whether your dad differs from you, your grandfather differs from you, your grandfather differs from your dad, etc; all are examples of evolution.
oh ok i see where youre coming from
 
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yes

but only to a certain extent

i'm smart enough to know that these so called "experts" can only uncover so much that happen 1237654789086755 years ago
 
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blackrain;3844000 said:
I went to Catholic school from Pre-K until the end of 10th grade and I never believed that bullshit...you just chose not to think for yourself...don't blame Christian schools for your inital lack of knowledge...

Eh, like most kids, you really don't think for yourself. A lot of adults don't even think for yourself. You hear something from what you perceive to be a trustworthy source from an authority figure and you believe it. Whether it's religious dogma or scientific fact.

Critical thinking isn't something you're born with, it's leaned.
 
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hALF_pAST_7EVEN;3845907 said:
yes

but only to a certain extent

i'm smart enough to know that these so called "experts" can only uncover so much that happen 1237654789086755 years ago

And I'm smart enough to know that "God did it" isn't an answer I can accept. Might as well have said it was magical pixie dust.
 
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