DC Passes Bill To Pay People Stipends Not To Commit Crimes

[StillFaggyAF]

crime will never stop, but if we really want to reduce crime we have to produce better people, people with more morals more pride in themselves and their community.

Crime will stop when there is no incentive to commit crimes, whether that's up to government or private sector that's up to debate

 

[zzombie]

crime will never stop, but if we really want to reduce crime we have to produce better people, people with more morals more pride in themselves and their community.

Crime will stop when there is no incentive to commit crimes, whether that's up to government or private sector that's up to debate

WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE POVERTY thus there will always be an incentive to do crime

 

[zzombie]

crime will never stop, but if we really want to reduce crime we have to produce better people, people with more morals more pride in themselves and their community.

The program is putting them in activities to do that though.

It ain't just giving them money.

But I don't know about this.

unless those activities are educational then they are a waste of time and money

 

[700]

Where do I sign up

 

[StillFaggyAF]

crime will never stop, but if we really want to reduce crime we have to produce better people, people with more morals more pride in themselves and their community.

Crime will stop when there is no incentive to commit crimes, whether that's up to government or private sector that's up to debate

WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE POVERTY thus there will always be an incentive to do crime

So are you against government addressing poverty?

 

[zzombie]

crime will never stop, but if we really want to reduce crime we have to produce better people, people with more morals more pride in themselves and their community.

Crime will stop when there is no incentive to commit crimes, whether that's up to government or private sector that's up to debate

WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE POVERTY thus there will always be an incentive to do crime

So are you against government addressing poverty?

No, poverty has to be fought it's a never ending battle but we have to be smart in how we fight we also have to understand that there will always be poor people and crime.

 

[freshb651]

They're giving out cash for good behavior ?

What is this GTA 5 ?

 

[Fosheezy]

If u Rly complaining that someone paying someone to do what they already should be doing you missed the whole point

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

The D.C. Council unanimously approved a bill Tuesday that includes a proposal to pay residents a stipend not to commit crimes. It’s based on a program in Richmond, California, that advocates say has contributed to deep reductions in crime there.

Richmond experienced a 77 percent drop in homicides between 2007, when the program was launched, and 2014, although how much can be specifically attributed to the stipends is unclear.

Under the bill, city officials would identify up to 200 people a year who are considered at risk of either committing or becoming victims of violent crime. Those people would be directed to participate in behavioral therapy and other programs. If they fulfill those obligations and stay out of trouble, they would be paid.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This shit is dumb and I said my city was fucking up putting this bitch in the mayor's office.

why is it dumb if it lowers crime, could keep a young person out of prison, and saves the government money????

Is this a serious question? You don't see a problem with using funds to pay people for not doing shit they shouldn't be doing anyway?

How about they try to fix the problems that lead to people adopting criminal lifestyles instead? This is pretty much the definition of throwing money at a problem instead of actually trying to solve it.

sigh

there's no silver bullet to ending crime

everyone has different motivations as to why they behave the way they do

with that said, many of the at risk youth targeted by this program grow up in impoverished neighborhoods with high crime rates

crime drives away businesses and subsequently economic opportunity.... exacerbating poverty

the stipend is not the solution to the epidemic of poverty and crime, but its a start in the right direction

and it's not just stripends, they have to participate and complete behavioral therapy which is aimed at resetting what's considered normal behavior for students and teaching them how to cope and deal with anger before it becomes crime

not only that it has been proven in other areas to lower crime

yes there is more we could do, but its going to take more than just the will of the city of DC

lol None of us need an education on why crime is bad. None of us believes there is one golden solution for eradicating crime from the world or even one city. None of what you said explains why paying people to be law abiding citizens is a good idea. We all agree that something need to be done, but this sets a bad precedent. If these kids are only behaving because they're getting something out of it, what happens when that money is no longer coming to them. It doesn't matter that they are participating in behavioral therapy. They have to buy-in to that type of thing for it to work. If they are only there to collect a check, then they aren't truly buying into it. It's just an all around bad idea. Would you pay your kids to behave?

lol

and you are assuming that the participants will not buy into the program based off what exactly other than preconceived notions and your own prejudices

anyways lets see if it works as it has for another city

its supposedly only one piece of a comprehensive plan to reduce crime in the city which will benefit tax payers in the long run

I was financially rewarded when I got good grades and I turned out ok so....*shrugs*

you do raise some valid concerns, I rather they give the participants city jobs myself. did wonders for my city until funding ran low... but again lets wait and see

I'm not assuming anything. I didn't say no one in the program will buy-in. I said joining the program solely for the money is not buying in, and it isn't. Buying-in is involving yourself because you want to or feel it's the right thing to do. Will some be motivated to join up for the money and then get serious once they are there? Maybe, I'm betting it's more likely that most will be interested in staying as long as the money is there and then back off when it's not.

And lol @ comparing getting money for getting good grades to getting money for not being a criminal. You're better than that desertrain. You know good and well incentivizing good performance is not the same as paying people to not be criminals.

 

[D. Morgan]

Government: Just label your Compton kids retarded(PTSD) for life. Just admit you wasn't shit as a parent and have no control over you kid in DC. IF you willing to do that here you go

Some of yall niggas on here looking just like this for that money

 

[LPast]

Next: paying these same people not to have children.

Reason: they will require government assistance...

Just thought of a thread idea...

 

[Star Nine]

Government: Just label your Compton kids retarded(PTSD) for life. Just admit you wasn't shit as a parent and have no control over you kid in DC. IF you willing to do that here you go

Some of yall niggas on here looking just like this for that money

you know niggers love their white daddy. this is just another way for the gov to control children and their family, their is no such thing as "free money"

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Damn u niggas are stupid

 

[Star Nine]

Damn u niggas are stupid

stop falling for the same trick white people pull all the time

 

[desertrain10]

This shit is dumb and I said my city was fucking up putting this bitch in the mayor's office.

why is it dumb if it lowers crime, could keep a young person out of prison, and saves the government money????

Is this a serious question? You don't see a problem with using funds to pay people for not doing shit they shouldn't be doing anyway?

How about they try to fix the problems that lead to people adopting criminal lifestyles instead? This is pretty much the definition of throwing money at a problem instead of actually trying to solve it.

sigh

there's no silver bullet to ending crime

everyone has different motivations as to why they behave the way they do

with that said, many of the at risk youth targeted by this program grow up in impoverished neighborhoods with high crime rates

crime drives away businesses and subsequently economic opportunity.... exacerbating poverty

the stipend is not the solution to the epidemic of poverty and crime, but its a start in the right direction

and it's not just stripends, they have to participate and complete behavioral therapy which is aimed at resetting what's considered normal behavior for students and teaching them how to cope and deal with anger before it becomes crime

not only that it has been proven in other areas to lower crime

yes there is more we could do, but its going to take more than just the will of the city of DC

lol None of us need an education on why crime is bad. None of us believes there is one golden solution for eradicating crime from the world or even one city. None of what you said explains why paying people to be law abiding citizens is a good idea. We all agree that something need to be done, but this sets a bad precedent. If these kids are only behaving because they're getting something out of it, what happens when that money is no longer coming to them. It doesn't matter that they are participating in behavioral therapy. They have to buy-in to that type of thing for it to work. If they are only there to collect a check, then they aren't truly buying into it. It's just an all around bad idea. Would you pay your kids to behave?

lol

and you are assuming that the participants will not buy into the program based off what exactly other than preconceived notions and your own prejudices

anyways lets see if it works as it has for another city

its supposedly only one piece of a comprehensive plan to reduce crime in the city which will benefit tax payers in the long run

I was financially rewarded when I got good grades and I turned out ok so....*shrugs*

you do raise some valid concerns, I rather they give the participants city jobs myself. did wonders for my city until funding ran low... but again lets wait and see

I'm not assuming anything. I didn't say no one in the program will buy-in. I said joining the program solely for the money is not buying in, and it isn't. Buying-in is involving yourself because you want to or feel it's the right thing to do. Will some be motivated to join up for the money and then get serious once they are there? Maybe, I'm betting it's more likely that most will be interested in staying as long as the money is there and then back off when it's not.

And lol @ comparing getting money for getting good grades to getting money for not being a criminal. You're better than that desertrain. You know good and well incentivizing good performance is not the same as paying people to not be criminals.

I more so mentioned how I was rewarded for good behavior as a kid in response to your question "would you pay your kids to behave?"

When I behaved at the doctors or at a sitters, I was also rewarded

I'll more than likely do the same with my children

And its not that different a concept

The participants aren't felons or hardened criminals, but at risk youth.... the aim of the program is further incentivizing behavior that is conducive to positive outcomes for the individual and their community

The participants are actually earning the stipend by attended classes that could potentially help them better cope with their emotions and change their outlook on life for the better

Again you raise some valid questions/concerns, but again given what it has done for a community that was once facing the same circumstances, it is not some ridiculous idea as some have suggested

 

[zzombie]

This shit is dumb and I said my city was fucking up putting this bitch in the mayor's office.

why is it dumb if it lowers crime, could keep a young person out of prison, and saves the government money????

Is this a serious question? You don't see a problem with using funds to pay people for not doing shit they shouldn't be doing anyway?

How about they try to fix the problems that lead to people adopting criminal lifestyles instead? This is pretty much the definition of throwing money at a problem instead of actually trying to solve it.

sigh

there's no silver bullet to ending crime

everyone has different motivations as to why they behave the way they do

with that said, many of the at risk youth targeted by this program grow up in impoverished neighborhoods with high crime rates

crime drives away businesses and subsequently economic opportunity.... exacerbating poverty

the stipend is not the solution to the epidemic of poverty and crime, but its a start in the right direction

and it's not just stripends, they have to participate and complete behavioral therapy which is aimed at resetting what's considered normal behavior for students and teaching them how to cope and deal with anger before it becomes crime

not only that it has been proven in other areas to lower crime

yes there is more we could do, but its going to take more than just the will of the city of DC

lol None of us need an education on why crime is bad. None of us believes there is one golden solution for eradicating crime from the world or even one city. None of what you said explains why paying people to be law abiding citizens is a good idea. We all agree that something need to be done, but this sets a bad precedent. If these kids are only behaving because they're getting something out of it, what happens when that money is no longer coming to them. It doesn't matter that they are participating in behavioral therapy. They have to buy-in to that type of thing for it to work. If they are only there to collect a check, then they aren't truly buying into it. It's just an all around bad idea. Would you pay your kids to behave?

lol

and you are assuming that the participants will not buy into the program based off what exactly other than preconceived notions and your own prejudices

anyways lets see if it works as it has for another city

its supposedly only one piece of a comprehensive plan to reduce crime in the city which will benefit tax payers in the long run

I was financially rewarded when I got good grades and I turned out ok so....*shrugs*

you do raise some valid concerns, I rather they give the participants city jobs myself. did wonders for my city until funding ran low... but again lets wait and see

I'm not assuming anything. I didn't say no one in the program will buy-in. I said joining the program solely for the money is not buying in, and it isn't. Buying-in is involving yourself because you want to or feel it's the right thing to do. Will some be motivated to join up for the money and then get serious once they are there? Maybe, I'm betting it's more likely that most will be interested in staying as long as the money is there and then back off when it's not.

And lol @ comparing getting money for getting good grades to getting money for not being a criminal. You're better than that desertrain. You know good and well incentivizing good performance is not the same as paying people to not be criminals.

I more so mentioned how I was rewarded for good behavior as a kid in response to your question "would you pay your kids to behave?"

When I behaved at the doctors or at a sitters, I was also rewarded

I'll more than likely do the same with my children

And its not that different a concept

The participants aren't felons or hardened criminals, but at risk youth.... the aim of the program is further incentivizing behavior that is conducive to positive outcomes for the individual and their community

The participants are actually earning the stipend by attended classes that could potentially help them better cope with their emotions and change their outlook on life for the better

Again you raise some valid questions/concerns, but again given what it has done for a community that was once facing the same circumstances, it is not some ridiculous idea as some have suggested

That's probably why you are so fucked up in the head now..... fuck would i look like paying my child for something he is obligated to do??? that's not teaching him to take pride in assuming his responsibility. Youth have to learn to do what is right based on their own desire not an outside reward..... because in the real world you won't be rewarded for doing what is right. IN OTHER WORDS DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR RIGHT'S SAKE AND NOT FOR MONEY.

and who the fuck is paying for this shit??? why should my tax money go to this shit???

 

[Shizlansky]

You do know America is great because of taxes

How you think the US basically run the world. Taxes that funded military.

Take away the ability to fund the military and see how great America is.

 

[zzombie]

You do know America is great because of taxes

How you think the US basically run the world. Taxes that funded military.

Take away the ability to fund the military and see how great America is.

america is great because of business it is business that created the jobs that pay people who then in turn pay taxes that fund the military. when taxes are not used intelligently it's nothing but a waste people don't want to hear this because it sounds mean but it is the hard truth

 

[Shizlansky]

You do know America is great because of taxes

How you think the US basically run the world. Taxes that funded military.

Take away the ability to fund the military and see how great America is.

america is great because of business it is business that created the jobs that pay people who then in turn pay taxes that fund the military. when taxes are not used intelligently it's nothing but a waste people don't want to hear this because it sounds mean but it is the hard truth

Can have big business if you can't protect it

But you and the ppl that think like you send jobs to other countries in which return is hurting America.