DC Passes Bill To Pay People Stipends Not To Commit Crimes

[The Lonious Monk]

This shit is dumb and I said my city was fucking up putting this bitch in the mayor's office.

why is it dumb if it lowers crime, could keep a young person out of prison, and saves the government money????

Is this a serious question? You don't see a problem with using funds to pay people for not doing shit they shouldn't be doing anyway?

How about they try to fix the problems that lead to people adopting criminal lifestyles instead? This is pretty much the definition of throwing money at a problem instead of actually trying to solve it.

I wasn't even going answer that fool ass question.

Some of yall niggas want to be new fucking slaves.

I know right. This shit should be insulting because they are basically saying black people are so out of control that they have to be paid to behave.

 

[LPast]

Makes sense when you look at the facts on the ground. They feel so desperate that someone would kill a working man for $20 in his wallet. Why not pay that would be criminal to sit his ass down?

Sounds stupid, but most of the crime that is being committed is stupid. It's not for survival.

 

[D. Morgan]

This shit is dumb and I said my city was fucking up putting this bitch in the mayor's office.

why is it dumb if it lowers crime, could keep a young person out of prison, and saves the government money????

Is this a serious question? You don't see a problem with using funds to pay people for not doing shit they shouldn't be doing anyway?

How about they try to fix the problems that lead to people adopting criminal lifestyles instead? This is pretty much the definition of throwing money at a problem instead of actually trying to solve it.

I wasn't even going answer that fool ass question.

Some of yall niggas want to be new fucking slaves.

I know right. This shit should be insulting because they are basically saying black people are so out of control that they have to be paid to behave.

The bold is how I took it immediately

All they see is the government cutting checks let me get in line with my hand out to get me some crumbs and scraps.

 

[SolemnSauce]

This is pacifying on another level.

Word...i get it, i dig that they trying somethin other than flood the area with police and write bullshiy tickets and fines to get people on the books and 1 charge away.

I get it,...i mean if it affected my community..i think now would be the time to stand up to the youth and let em know...this isnt cool..its insulting

 

[desertrain10]

This shit is dumb and I said my city was fucking up putting this bitch in the mayor's office.

why is it dumb if it lowers crime, could keep a young person out of prison, and saves the government money????

Is this a serious question? You don't see a problem with using funds to pay people for not doing shit they shouldn't be doing anyway?

How about they try to fix the problems that lead to people adopting criminal lifestyles instead? This is pretty much the definition of throwing money at a problem instead of actually trying to solve it.

sigh

there's no silver bullet to ending crime

everyone has different motivations as to why they behave the way they do

with that said, many of the at risk youth targeted by this program grow up in impoverished neighborhoods with high crime rates

crime drives away businesses and subsequently economic opportunity.... exacerbating poverty

the stipend is not the solution to the epidemic of poverty and crime, but its a start in the right direction

and it's not just stripends, they have to participate and complete behavioral therapy which is aimed at resetting what's considered normal behavior for students and teaching them how to cope and deal with anger before it becomes crime

not only that it has been proven in other areas to lower crime

yes there is more we could do, but its going to take more than just the will of the city of DC

 

[jono]

Im torn. On one hand this is government behaving like a parent, giving someone an allowance to do things they should already be doing. On the other hand if it directs individuals to something that geniunely helps them in the long run then its more of an investment than anything else.

They are looking to save money on policing and corrections but also the unquantifiable social costs attached to the lifestyle of criminals.

If a small stipend can stop someone from dealing drugs and forcing the state to spend multitudes more funds on courts, police, and incarceration then by all good business sense you should do it.

Without knowing all the numbers involved its probably more expensive to police, sentence and incarcerate an offender than it would be to keep open a behavior therapy clinic.

i'm assuming drug/alcohol treatment will also be involved which would uptick the numbers some too.

This is just me working through it and not making a snap judgment. I think more information is needed.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This shit is dumb and I said my city was fucking up putting this bitch in the mayor's office.

why is it dumb if it lowers crime, could keep a young person out of prison, and saves the government money????

Is this a serious question? You don't see a problem with using funds to pay people for not doing shit they shouldn't be doing anyway?

How about they try to fix the problems that lead to people adopting criminal lifestyles instead? This is pretty much the definition of throwing money at a problem instead of actually trying to solve it.

sigh

there's no silver bullet to ending crime

everyone has different motivations as to why they behave the way they do

with that said, many of the at risk youth targeted by this program grow up in impoverished neighborhoods with high crime rates

crime drives away businesses and subsequently economic opportunity.... exacerbating poverty

the stipend is not the solution to the epidemic of poverty and crime, but its a start in the right direction

and it's not just stripends, they have to participate and complete behavioral therapy which is aimed at resetting what's considered normal behavior for students and teaching them how to cope and deal with anger before it becomes crime

not only that it has been proven in other areas to lower crime

yes there is more we could do, but its going to take more than just the will of the city of DC

lol None of us need an education on why crime is bad. None of us believes there is one golden solution for eradicating crime from the world or even one city. None of what you said explains why paying people to be law abiding citizens is a good idea. We all agree that something need to be done, but this sets a bad precedent. If these kids are only behaving because they're getting something out of it, what happens when that money is no longer coming to them. It doesn't matter that they are participating in behavioral therapy. They have to buy-in to that type of thing for it to work. If they are only there to collect a check, then they aren't truly buying into it. It's just an all around bad idea. Would you pay your kids to behave?

 

[The Iconoclast]

I like the theoretical framework of the idea. I'd like to see the data and see the effectiveness of it, because it's definitely an intriguing way to reduce the violate crime rate and homicide #s.

From an expenditure of taxpayers' money standpoint, the costs of incarceration compared to the stipends, makes it an idea worth discussing in the public sphere.

Think about it, compare the proposed 9000$ per high-risk participant to these eye popping #s:

thelawdictionary.org/article/what-is-the-average-cost-to-house-inmates-in-prison/

Spoiler

What is the Average Cost to House Inmates in Prison

Written by J. Hirby | Fact checked by The Law Dictionary staff

The average cost of incarceration in the United States is determined by different methods. It costs anywhere between $20,000 and $40,000 per year to house inmates in federal and state correctional facilities; the considerable spread is due to the criteria used by government agencies and prison system watchdogs. There is consensus, however, on the high cost and burden to taxpayers produced by the U.S. penal system.

Calculating Costs Per Inmate



According to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, the average annual cost of incarceration in Federal prisons in 2010 was $28,284 per inmate. That cost is reduced at the Federal Community Corrections Centers; in 2010 the annual cost was $25,838.

According to the California Legislative Analyst?s Office, the annual cost of incarceration in the Golden State in 2009 was $47,102 per year. To arrive at this figure, California analysts took into account the cost of security, health care, operations, administration, support, and rehabilitation programs. Annual costs per inmate in California have almost doubled since the beginning of the 21st century.

Watchdog groups that keep an eye on the American judicial and penal systems often arrive at higher figures than those of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons or state agencies. The reason for this discrepancy is that watchdog groups tend to factor in court costs and other expenditures.

The cost of incarceration climbs according to the level of security. The ?Supermax? federal prison in Colorado spends about $60,000 per year to keep inmates in permanent isolation. The most expensive American prison is located in Cuba: Housing an inmate in Guantanamo Bay costs taxpayers approximately $900,000 per year.

According to the Vera Institute of Justice, the average cost of housing an inmate in the U.S. was $31,286 in 2012. New York had the highest cost at $31,286 and Kentucky the lowest at $14,603.

The Prison-Industrial Complex



Since the U.S. already has the highest incarceration rate in the world, critics of the American criminal justice system warn that the rising prison costs prove the prison-industrial complex theory. The funds allocated to corrections departments across the U.S. take up a significant portion of state budgets.

 

[lamontbdc]

Yea I get what they are trying to do but I just cant' rock with this one

All this speed camera money got us just funding whatever

Yall remember a few years back they had a program for homeless niggas to get a free cell phone and voicemail. The theory was that when looking for jobs or places to stay homeless folks have no phone or number to call back so this will help. Man my uncle burned that phone up..he ain't een homeless just went down to the shelter and looked the part.

 

[desertrain10]

This shit is dumb and I said my city was fucking up putting this bitch in the mayor's office.

why is it dumb if it lowers crime, could keep a young person out of prison, and saves the government money????

Is this a serious question? You don't see a problem with using funds to pay people for not doing shit they shouldn't be doing anyway?

How about they try to fix the problems that lead to people adopting criminal lifestyles instead? This is pretty much the definition of throwing money at a problem instead of actually trying to solve it.

sigh

there's no silver bullet to ending crime

everyone has different motivations as to why they behave the way they do

with that said, many of the at risk youth targeted by this program grow up in impoverished neighborhoods with high crime rates

crime drives away businesses and subsequently economic opportunity.... exacerbating poverty

the stipend is not the solution to the epidemic of poverty and crime, but its a start in the right direction

and it's not just stripends, they have to participate and complete behavioral therapy which is aimed at resetting what's considered normal behavior for students and teaching them how to cope and deal with anger before it becomes crime

not only that it has been proven in other areas to lower crime

yes there is more we could do, but its going to take more than just the will of the city of DC

lol None of us need an education on why crime is bad. None of us believes there is one golden solution for eradicating crime from the world or even one city. None of what you said explains why paying people to be law abiding citizens is a good idea. We all agree that something need to be done, but this sets a bad precedent. If these kids are only behaving because they're getting something out of it, what happens when that money is no longer coming to them. It doesn't matter that they are participating in behavioral therapy. They have to buy-in to that type of thing for it to work. If they are only there to collect a check, then they aren't truly buying into it. It's just an all around bad idea. Would you pay your kids to behave?

lol

and you are assuming that the participants will not buy into the program based off what exactly other than preconceived notions and your own prejudices

anyways lets see if it works as it has for another city

its supposedly only one piece of a comprehensive plan to reduce crime in the city which will benefit tax payers in the long run

I was financially rewarded when I got good grades and I turned out ok so....*shrugs*

you do raise some valid concerns, I rather they give the participants city jobs myself. did wonders for my city until funding ran low... but again lets wait and see

 

[zzombie]

stupid fucking liberalism at work again... but you niggas keep voting/supporting this kind of shit so???

You don't support helping out people stuck in a life of crime, pulling them out and changing them for the better?

No.

 

[7figz]

So if this shit turned out to cost less than imprisonment and cops, and actually decreased crime, then what ?

 

[zzombie]

The money used for this could go to something more important that would actually work. This is just another example of government wasting tax money. ... Yet people keep voting for politicians that want to raise taxes

 

[SolemnSauce]

So if this shit turned out to cost less than imprisonment and cops, and actually decreased crime, then what ?

It expands and the city finds more ways to get money out of the residents to fill the hole in budget.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

I'm for it. It's an attempted solution to a known problem. I like that they're combining their little learning sessions with the stipend, because both have value.

For the people that don't agree, what are you doing to help the problem? Are you willing to take time and effort to help the troubled youth in this city? If not, then why slander someone that's trying to help? I don't get your logic or your stance on this topic.

People are so pessimistic when new programs or movements are introduced, yet will claim the "world" is in chaos. They don't understand that their strong resistance to an attempted solution is only promoting status quo.

 

[The Iconoclast]

The money used for this could go to something more important that would actually work. This is just another example of government wasting tax money. ... Yet people keep voting for politicians that want to raise taxes

Such as?

 

[zzombie]

The money used for this could go to something more important that would actually work. This is just another example of government wasting tax money. ... Yet people keep voting for politicians that want to raise taxes

Such as?

Paying more police to keep these fatherless sons and future whores from doing crime or we could put the youth into apprenticeship programs.

 

[zzombie]

stupid fucking liberalism at work again... but you niggas keep voting/supporting this kind of shit so???

this is not that extreme, basic economics, give ppl an incentive to do or not do something. If the private sector is not willing or able to provide that incentive why shouldn't the government step in?

because it's not the governments place to step in. The government is literally stealing citizens money and using it to pay criminals. It's like a fucking extortion racket

 

[zzombie]

crime will never stop, but if we really want to reduce crime we have to produce better people, people with more morals more pride in themselves and their community.

 

[Shizlansky]

crime will never stop, but if we really want to reduce crime we have to produce better people, people with more morals more pride in themselves and their community.

The program is putting them in activities to do that though.

It ain't just giving them money.

But I don't know about this.