Colin Kaepernick refuses “to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people”...
People are so super offended and shit when they could've just let that man sit and went on with life. He did a peaceful protest! Folks acting like he pissed on the flag or some shit. The whole thing has been blown out of proportion. How TF are people saying "He has the right to sit but" ain't no damn but! He has the right to do it, you shut the fuck up, we go on with life.
blackamerica
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Vellum;9305989 said:
The amount of coonery has reached ridiculous levels now. These coons like Rodney Harrison, Jerry Rice, Jason Whitlock etc..need to be called out. I'm just waiting for Barkley to chime in. Coons gonna coon
Magicjohnson
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What happen to that ic military thread
Lmaooo
Lmaooo
Recaptimus_Prime360
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The_Jackal;9305052 said:
Bruh...
blackamerica
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The Lonious Monk;9306276 said:nujerz84;9306228 said:
Man you can hit some white people with a million of those examples and they still won't be able to understand. That's why I always say ya'll give white people way too much credit. Some of them really are that dumb when it comes to certain issues.
They aren't dumb. They know they're full of shit and purposely ignore the truth because it makes them look like the savages they are. If white ppl acknowledged the REAL history they'd have to rearrange the whole government and other corporations that benefited from slavery.
Recaptimus_Prime360
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https://twitter.com/Ethan_Booker/status/770383461211312128
...it's like you can hear the crackling sound of his soul as it burns.
...it's like you can hear the crackling sound of his soul as it burns.
Recaptimus_Prime360
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stringer bell;9305860 said:
Muthafucca how you not know Kap was mixed???? This s*** was talked about since 2012 ever since he made his run to the SB! This was common knowledge on ESPN, NBC, NFL Network, online...hell this muthafucca is an NFL ANALYST! FOH!
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Vellum;9306379 said:
First let's acknowledge that teen pregnancy and crime rates across the board are at 20 yr lows
And more blks are enrolled in college then ever before
That said, the struggle continues. And being from the metro Detroit area i am intimately familiar with the struggle
And you are right, blk men are convicted of or are the victim of most crime in our communities. A lot of them subscribe to gang culture
Bear with me, because I know you didn't say this, but it doesn't mean Blk men are inherently more criminal or violent or impressionable than any other group
For one, one has to factor in men are more likely to be targeted by law enforcement than women, especially blk men. And men and women are prone to committing certain crimes
Also its no coincidence that most these men convicted are low income or poor. And most the crime and violence happens in close proxy to the most isolated, impoverished downtrodden pockets of America. Most these areas have been ravaged by the war on drugs
Same as it is no coincidence a child born into poverty will more than likely die poor
Not to say poverty or a culture of poverty is what ultimately drives criminality or other seemingly self destructive behavior. And I'm definately not saying that most poor, lower income ppl are dumb or lazy or they all subcribe to the same beliefs. I actually believe words like stupid and crazy to describe the actions of others can be incredibly dismisive and intellectually lazy..but I digress...It is the toxic stress that poverty creates that oftens leads one to making a bad or short sighted decision
Read:
The Effects of Poverty on the Brain
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/am-i-right/201210/the-effects-poverty-the-brain
‘Crack Babies’ A Myth, Poverty Far More Destructive For Kids Than Cocaine
http://www.mintpressnews.com/resear...ore-destructive-for-kids-than-cocaine/165791/
Not to mention the effects growing up in a violent neighborhood can have on a young persons brain
Besides stress, our choices, behavior is strongly influenced by other variables as well. Rich or poor, you also have to factor in:
- actual and perceived lack of resources. For ex, non Blk families are able to afford tutors and other services for their children who may have difficulty learning
- mental illness
- social status
- diet
- environment
-public policy
-religious beliefs
Blk children, for instance, are more likely to be exposed to high levels of environmental pollutants and toxins such as lead which can cause serious developemental and behavioral issues
I already addressed how negative perceptions, stereotypes and discrimination condoned and practiced by the dominant culture can create severe stress which affects many brain functions, putting you at risk for many mood disorders and other mental issues
And this isn't just liberal talking points I'm regurgitating. This is science. There are studies
As you alluded to, I also do believe culture plays a role as well. American culture, that is. Before you start, blk american culture and American culture are inextricably interwined. The same materialism that drives Jamel to kill Tray for his jordans, is behind the greed on Wallstreet that cost millions their homes and pensions when the housing market crashed. When Becky who idolizes Kim Kardashian gets pregnant she has parents with the money for an abortion and tuition to college, while Keisha doesn't. And unlike Keisha, for Becky it was never a question whether or not her family had the money for her to go to college
Not making excuses or saying we don't have control of our actions, but at the end of the day we are humans. There are limits to human agency
Yes racism isn't the reason Mike brought a bottle at the club rather and now can't pay his rent. But if we want to seriously address inequality and close the wealth gap systematic racism cannot be excluded from the conversation. Same as how we have to address cultural deficiencies. No single variable is responsible for any major social problem, nor can any action can cure it
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thegreatunknown
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#VetransForKaepernick
Like I said, the attempt to conflate his stance as an anti-military one is bullshit.
Like it or don't like it, but at least be honest to why. Stop hiding behind your fake patriotism and "love" for the armed forces. Its low hanging fruit to obfuscate the substance of why he made his choice.
Like I said, the attempt to conflate his stance as an anti-military one is bullshit.
Like it or don't like it, but at least be honest to why. Stop hiding behind your fake patriotism and "love" for the armed forces. Its low hanging fruit to obfuscate the substance of why he made his choice.
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desertrain10;9306486 said:
You're basically addressing the tail end of a longer discussion. Others said that lives of blacks in America are shitty and the post that I was responding to in this case said that our lives in comparison to other blacks in the world are "shit with sprinkles." It's not deflection to put things in perspective. If the cause is true, you shouldn't need hyperbole to make it seem better. No the fact that there are blacks in this world with worst lives doesn't invalidate our complaints, but exaggerating the problems we face doesn't make those complaints more valid. You can acknowledge that America isn't hell on earth for black people and also demand that America does right by black people. I don't understand why that's so hard for some of you to see.
Turfaholic
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The Europeans never thought they would be the minority when they landed here. They losing grip on American culture like a mug. I just moved to the Las Vegas suburbs and this shit multi cultural like a mug. Way more diverse than the inner city.
Swiffness!
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did anyone else post this ETHER from Facebook yet? This white vet went the fuck in on these fascist Murica shitheads demanding Kaep's head......powerful shit:
I've been away from the internet all day.
I came home from a family picnic on the Blackwater River to find my inbox, as usual, overflowing like a ripe Port-O-Pottie.
One of the first messages I read was about 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, quoted above, who last Friday night at the beginning of a preseason game suddenly decided to become the most hated man in America du jour by deliberately not standing for the National Anthem.
Yes, that's right, a football player didn't stand for the National Anthem.
As you know, this means Kaepernick is scum, a horrible human being, a likely member of ISIS, a Muslim terrorist, a black thug, a communist, a socialist (and not the cool share your weed Bernie Sanders kind of socialist but the Red Brigade kind of Socialist who sleeps under a poster of Chairman Mao), a radical, a Black Panther, and he probably has Fidel Castro's phone number in his contact favorites.
Yeah. Okay.
I answered the message and went on to the next one.
The next message was about Kaepernick. As was the next one. And the next one. And...
They all begin pretty much the same way: Jim, AS A VETERAN, what do you think about this? Well?
Let me answer all the messages at once
__________
AS A VETERAN, what do I think about Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the National Anthem?
As a veteran?
Very well, as a veteran then, this is what I believe:
The very first thing I learned in the military is this: Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, true respect, sincere respect, then you have to GIVE IT.
If you want respect, you have to do the things necessary to earn it each and every single day. There are no short cuts and no exceptions.
Respect cannot be compelled.
Respect cannot be bought.
Respect cannot be inherited.
Respect cannot be demanded at the muzzle of a gun or by beating it into somebody or by shaming them into it. Can not. You might get what you think is respect, but it's not. It's only the appearance of respect. It's fear, it's groveling, it's not respect. Far, far too many people both in and out of the military, people who should emphatically know better, do not understand this simple fact: there is an enormous difference between fear and respect.
Respect has to be earned.
Respect. Has. To. Be. Earned.
Respect has to be earned every day, by every word, by every action.
It takes a lifetime of words and deeds to earn respect.
It takes only one careless word, one thoughtless action, to lose it.
You have to be worthy of respect. You have to live up to, or at least do your best to live up to, those high ideals -- the ones America supposedly embodies, that shining city on the hill, that exceptional nation we talk about, yes, that one. To earn respect you have to be fair. You have to have courage. You must embrace reason. You have to know when to hold the line and when to compromise. You have to take responsibility and hold yourself accountable. You have to keep your word. You have to give respect, true respect, to get it back.
There are no short cuts. None.
Now, any veteran worth the label should know that. If they don't, then likely they weren't much of a soldier to begin with and you can tell them I said so.
IF Kaepernick doesn't feel his country respects him enough for him to respect it in return, well, then you can't MAKE him respect it.
You can not make him respect it.
If you try to force a man to respect you, you'll only make him respect you less.
With threats, by violence, by shame, you can maybe compel Kaepernick to stand up and put his hand over his heart and force him to be quiet. You might.
But that's not respect.
It's only the illusion of respect.
You might force this man into the illusion of respect. You might. Would you be satisfied then? Would that make you happy? Would that make you respect your nation, the one which forced a man into the illusion of respect, a nation of little clockwork patriots all pretending satisfaction and respect? Is that what you want? If THAT's what matters to you, the illusion of respect, then you're not talking about freedom or liberty. You're not talking about the United States of America. Instead you're talking about every dictatorship from the Nazis to North Korea where people are lined up and MADE to salute with the muzzle of a gun pressed to the back of their necks.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I wore a uniform.
That's not why I held up my right hand and swore the oath and put my life on the line for my country.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I am a veteran.
Not so a man should be forced to show respect he doesn't feel.
That's called slavery and I have no respect for that at all.
If Americans want this man to respect America, then first they must respect him.
If America wants the world's respect, it must be worthy of respect.
America must be worthy of respect. Torture, rendition, indefinite detention, unarmed black men shot down in the street every day, poverty, inequality, voter suppression, racism, bigotry in every form, obstructionism, blind patriotism, NONE of those things are worthy of respect from anybody -- least of all an American.
But doesn't it also mean that if Kaepernick wants respect, he must give it first? Give it to America? Be worthy of respect himself? Stand up, shut up, and put his hand over his heart before Old Glory?
No. It doesn't.
Respect doesn't work that way.
Power flows from positive to negative. Electricity flows from greater potential to lesser.
The United States isn't a person, it's a vast construct, a framework of law and order and civilization designed to protect the weak from the ruthless and after more than two centuries of revision and refinement it exists to provide in equal measure for all of us the opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The United States is POWER.
All the power rests with America. Just as it does in the military chain of command. And like that chain of command, like the electrical circuit described above, respect must flow from greater to lesser FIRST before it can return.
To you the National Anthem means one thing, to Kaepernick it means something else. We are all shaped and defined by our experiences and we see the world through our own eyes. That's freedom. That's liberty. The right to believe differently. The right to protest as you will. The right to demand better. The right to believe your country can BE better, that it can live up to its sacred ideals, and the right to loudly note that it has NOT. The right to use your voice, your actions, to bring attention to the things you believe in. The right to want more for others, freedom, liberty, justice, equality, and RESPECT.
A true veteran might not agree with Colin Kaepernick, but a true veteran would fight to the death to protect his right to say what he believes.
You don't like what Kaepernick has to say? Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect.
It's really just that simple.
https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/1084172264951509
I've been away from the internet all day.
I came home from a family picnic on the Blackwater River to find my inbox, as usual, overflowing like a ripe Port-O-Pottie.
One of the first messages I read was about 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, quoted above, who last Friday night at the beginning of a preseason game suddenly decided to become the most hated man in America du jour by deliberately not standing for the National Anthem.
Yes, that's right, a football player didn't stand for the National Anthem.
As you know, this means Kaepernick is scum, a horrible human being, a likely member of ISIS, a Muslim terrorist, a black thug, a communist, a socialist (and not the cool share your weed Bernie Sanders kind of socialist but the Red Brigade kind of Socialist who sleeps under a poster of Chairman Mao), a radical, a Black Panther, and he probably has Fidel Castro's phone number in his contact favorites.
Yeah. Okay.
I answered the message and went on to the next one.
The next message was about Kaepernick. As was the next one. And the next one. And...
They all begin pretty much the same way: Jim, AS A VETERAN, what do you think about this? Well?
Let me answer all the messages at once
__________
AS A VETERAN, what do I think about Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the National Anthem?
As a veteran?
Very well, as a veteran then, this is what I believe:
The very first thing I learned in the military is this: Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, true respect, sincere respect, then you have to GIVE IT.
If you want respect, you have to do the things necessary to earn it each and every single day. There are no short cuts and no exceptions.
Respect cannot be compelled.
Respect cannot be bought.
Respect cannot be inherited.
Respect cannot be demanded at the muzzle of a gun or by beating it into somebody or by shaming them into it. Can not. You might get what you think is respect, but it's not. It's only the appearance of respect. It's fear, it's groveling, it's not respect. Far, far too many people both in and out of the military, people who should emphatically know better, do not understand this simple fact: there is an enormous difference between fear and respect.
Respect has to be earned.
Respect. Has. To. Be. Earned.
Respect has to be earned every day, by every word, by every action.
It takes a lifetime of words and deeds to earn respect.
It takes only one careless word, one thoughtless action, to lose it.
You have to be worthy of respect. You have to live up to, or at least do your best to live up to, those high ideals -- the ones America supposedly embodies, that shining city on the hill, that exceptional nation we talk about, yes, that one. To earn respect you have to be fair. You have to have courage. You must embrace reason. You have to know when to hold the line and when to compromise. You have to take responsibility and hold yourself accountable. You have to keep your word. You have to give respect, true respect, to get it back.
There are no short cuts. None.
Now, any veteran worth the label should know that. If they don't, then likely they weren't much of a soldier to begin with and you can tell them I said so.
IF Kaepernick doesn't feel his country respects him enough for him to respect it in return, well, then you can't MAKE him respect it.
You can not make him respect it.
If you try to force a man to respect you, you'll only make him respect you less.
With threats, by violence, by shame, you can maybe compel Kaepernick to stand up and put his hand over his heart and force him to be quiet. You might.
But that's not respect.
It's only the illusion of respect.
You might force this man into the illusion of respect. You might. Would you be satisfied then? Would that make you happy? Would that make you respect your nation, the one which forced a man into the illusion of respect, a nation of little clockwork patriots all pretending satisfaction and respect? Is that what you want? If THAT's what matters to you, the illusion of respect, then you're not talking about freedom or liberty. You're not talking about the United States of America. Instead you're talking about every dictatorship from the Nazis to North Korea where people are lined up and MADE to salute with the muzzle of a gun pressed to the back of their necks.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I wore a uniform.
That's not why I held up my right hand and swore the oath and put my life on the line for my country.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I am a veteran.
Not so a man should be forced to show respect he doesn't feel.
That's called slavery and I have no respect for that at all.
If Americans want this man to respect America, then first they must respect him.
If America wants the world's respect, it must be worthy of respect.
America must be worthy of respect. Torture, rendition, indefinite detention, unarmed black men shot down in the street every day, poverty, inequality, voter suppression, racism, bigotry in every form, obstructionism, blind patriotism, NONE of those things are worthy of respect from anybody -- least of all an American.
But doesn't it also mean that if Kaepernick wants respect, he must give it first? Give it to America? Be worthy of respect himself? Stand up, shut up, and put his hand over his heart before Old Glory?
No. It doesn't.
Respect doesn't work that way.
Power flows from positive to negative. Electricity flows from greater potential to lesser.
The United States isn't a person, it's a vast construct, a framework of law and order and civilization designed to protect the weak from the ruthless and after more than two centuries of revision and refinement it exists to provide in equal measure for all of us the opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The United States is POWER.
All the power rests with America. Just as it does in the military chain of command. And like that chain of command, like the electrical circuit described above, respect must flow from greater to lesser FIRST before it can return.
To you the National Anthem means one thing, to Kaepernick it means something else. We are all shaped and defined by our experiences and we see the world through our own eyes. That's freedom. That's liberty. The right to believe differently. The right to protest as you will. The right to demand better. The right to believe your country can BE better, that it can live up to its sacred ideals, and the right to loudly note that it has NOT. The right to use your voice, your actions, to bring attention to the things you believe in. The right to want more for others, freedom, liberty, justice, equality, and RESPECT.
A true veteran might not agree with Colin Kaepernick, but a true veteran would fight to the death to protect his right to say what he believes.
You don't like what Kaepernick has to say? Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect.
It's really just that simple.
https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/1084172264951509
Ghostdenithegawd
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Wait so your telling me white people racism is backfiring and veterans are saying not like the flag isn't sitting on the troops so the troops are calling racist white people oneed their bs wtf kinda of bizzaro USA did I transfer to
stringer bell;9306829 said:
I swear to god man. King needs to come back from the dead for just one day to tell everyone to stop fucking using him for racist talking points and guessing what he would have said about whatever issue. Every time I hear that "MLK wouldn't have liked this" shit it's always coming from someone like Bill Oreilly or someone who doesn't give af about black people. They need to remove his name from their vocabulary.
That one pisses me off every time.
