Christians, are you ready to abandon your religion?

[zombie]

does SCIENTIFIC Knowledge help you be a better father or husband or help you build character or teach you economic and general life principles??? NO

This is full of so much fail

EXPLAIN TO ME how science is going to help someone build character???? or give some one the discipline needs to live by economic principles??

Economics is a soft science

Psychology has been making improving child rearing methods for years

"How are factual observations superior to my feelings and fiction?"

Read what I said again the discipline needed to practice personal economic principles will not come simply by having scientific knowledge. AS for psychology read what I wrote again I said will science help me become a better father.

being a father is not simply "child rearing". Because the job of being a father continues beyond the adulthood of your child the rearing aspect of parenthood is only a part of being a father.

Science is a method of learning about the world

With the scientific method we can find the best way to do anything, from raising kids to handling money

Far more effectively than a fictional book could

No, do you know the meaning of the word discipline??? science just brings knowledge that's it technology is the application of knowledge but that still does not actually teach discipline or build character and it sure as hell does not change character how many people have come from jail thanking the knowledge or evolution and physics for their better situation in life???? THEIR IMPROVED character

 

[Rubato Garcia]

abondon

 

[LUClEN]

does SCIENTIFIC Knowledge help you be a better father or husband or help you build character or teach you economic and general life principles??? NO

This is full of so much fail

EXPLAIN TO ME how science is going to help someone build character???? or give some one the discipline needs to live by economic principles??

Economics is a soft science

Psychology has been making improving child rearing methods for years

"How are factual observations superior to my feelings and fiction?"

Read what I said again the discipline needed to practice personal economic principles will not come simply by having scientific knowledge. AS for psychology read what I wrote again I said will science help me become a better father.

being a father is not simply "child rearing". Because the job of being a father continues beyond the adulthood of your child the rearing aspect of parenthood is only a part of being a father.

Science is a method of learning about the world

With the scientific method we can find the best way to do anything, from raising kids to handling money

Far more effectively than a fictional book could

No, do you know the meaning of the word discipline??? science just brings knowledge that's it technology is the application of knowledge but that still does not actually teach discipline or build character and it sure as hell does not change character how many people have come from jail thanking the knowledge or evolution and physics for their better situation in life???? THEIR IMPROVED character

Science is a discipline

 

[bambu]

Stupid ass thread......

 

[blackamerica]

How can a nigga with absolutely no belief system challenge another mans system of beliefs? Smh

 

[LUClEN]

How can a nigga with absolutely no belief system challenge another mans system of beliefs? Smh

Secular beliefs ≠ no beliefs

 

[zombie]

does SCIENTIFIC Knowledge help you be a better father or husband or help you build character or teach you economic and general life principles??? NO

This is full of so much fail

EXPLAIN TO ME how science is going to help someone build character???? or give some one the discipline needs to live by economic principles??

Economics is a soft science

Psychology has been making improving child rearing methods for years

"How are factual observations superior to my feelings and fiction?"

Read what I said again the discipline needed to practice personal economic principles will not come simply by having scientific knowledge. AS for psychology read what I wrote again I said will science help me become a better father.

being a father is not simply "child rearing". Because the job of being a father continues beyond the adulthood of your child the rearing aspect of parenthood is only a part of being a father.

Science is a method of learning about the world

With the scientific method we can find the best way to do anything, from raising kids to handling money

Far more effectively than a fictional book could

No, do you know the meaning of the word discipline??? science just brings knowledge that's it technology is the application of knowledge but that still does not actually teach discipline or build character and it sure as hell does not change character how many people have come from jail thanking the knowledge or evolution and physics for their better situation in life???? THEIR IMPROVED character

Science is a discipline

I can't tell if you are a troll or a victim of the american public school system

the word discipline has different usages/meanings depending on the context of how you use it, in the context of this discussion clearly I am not referring to "A DISCIPLINE" as in "A study". But you are not interested in hearing what I am saying you only want to troll and make corny fucking jokes.

 

[LUClEN]

What you're saying does not refute anything I've said

You ask how science can improve discipline, all one would have to do is use the scientific method to run experiments that gauge the discipline of individuals, and find the activities that lead to greater levels of it

Not hard to understand how science, as a discipline itself, can improve life in all areas

 

[zombie]

What you're saying does not refute anything I've said

You ask how science can improve discipline, all one would have to do is use the scientific method to run experiments that gauge the discipline of individuals, and find the activities that lead to greater levels of it

Not hard to understand how science, as a discipline itself, can improve life in all areas

science is a discipline as in it being a study but that's not how i am using the word discipline, the word has more than one meaning and it's impossible to apply the scientific method to build discipline because discipline is far too individualized in other words there is no method that one can devise that will enforce self control on others. after all it is self control.

 

[LUClEN]

What you're saying does not refute anything I've said

You ask how science can improve discipline, all one would have to do is use the scientific method to run experiments that gauge the discipline of individuals, and find the activities that lead to greater levels of it

Not hard to understand how science, as a discipline itself, can improve life in all areas

science is a discipline as in it being a study but that's not how i am using the word discipline, the word has more than one meaning and it's impossible to apply the scientific method to build discipline because discipline is far too individualized in other words there is no method that one can devise that will enforce self control on others. after all it is self control.

Science can and already has done that

I just explained how, one example of it is the loads of research being done on meditation and its benefits on self control

 

[kingblaze84]

Seems Jesus has abandoned his followers as well.....nigga ain't been seen in 2000 plus years

 

[zombie]

What you're saying does not refute anything I've said

You ask how science can improve discipline, all one would have to do is use the scientific method to run experiments that gauge the discipline of individuals, and find the activities that lead to greater levels of it

Not hard to understand how science, as a discipline itself, can improve life in all areas

science is a discipline as in it being a study but that's not how i am using the word discipline, the word has more than one meaning and it's impossible to apply the scientific method to build discipline because discipline is far too individualized in other words there is no method that one can devise that will enforce self control on others. after all it is self control.

Science can and already has done that

I just explained how, one example of it is the loads of research being done on meditation and its benefits on self control

You posted none of that and related it to discipline as I used it in this thread.

 

[zombie]

and besides most meditation is part of some form of religious practice

 

[zombie]

the more time I spend on this forum the more I realize that a lot of you guys can't read you comprehend words but you really get the message in them. i'm going to have to start using simpler sentences and concepts

 

[zombie]

Thread is based on ignorance and stupidity and a total misunderstanding of the religion, nothing more than DUMB stereotypes about Christians. Following the principles of the Christian god is a way to strength power and discipline science and religion are not mutually exclusive. does SCIENTIFIC Knowledge help you be a better father or husband or help you build character or teach you economic and general life principles??? NO

TROLL THREAD

 

[LUClEN]

I didn't think I needed to post common knowledge

-http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00845519

-http://blog.bufferapp.com/willpower-and-the-brain-why-its-so-hard-to-avoid-temptation

-http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F221810236_Mindfulness_meditation_counteracts_self-control_depletion%2Ffile%2F79e41505100be90288.pdf&ei=9I3NU4m2OMGLyAT5kYLgBw&usg=AFQjCNENwNSSaZTk_YcslZyQQrsaITx1ZQ&sig2=HoCS33qUj30RUUe3zpM5gg&bvm=bv.71198958,d.aWw&cad=rja

-http://eocinstitute.org/meditation/boosting-willpower-self-discipline/

so you were wrong about scientific disciplines being able to help us improve our discipline

 

[kingblaze84]

I didn't think I needed to post common knowledge

-http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00845519

-http://blog.bufferapp.com/willpower-and-the-brain-why-its-so-hard-to-avoid-temptation

-http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F221810236_Mindfulness_meditation_counteracts_self-control_depletion%2Ffile%2F79e41505100be90288.pdf&ei=9I3NU4m2OMGLyAT5kYLgBw&usg=AFQjCNENwNSSaZTk_YcslZyQQrsaITx1ZQ&sig2=HoCS33qUj30RUUe3zpM5gg&bvm=bv.71198958,d.aWw&cad=rja

-http://eocinstitute.org/meditation/boosting-willpower-self-discipline/

so you were wrong about scientific disciplines being able to help us improve our discipline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=37ax4e4ESS8

 

[zombie]

I didn't think I needed to post common knowledge

-http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00845519

-http://blog.bufferapp.com/willpower-and-the-brain-why-its-so-hard-to-avoid-temptation

-http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F221810236_Mindfulness_meditation_counteracts_self-control_depletion%2Ffile%2F79e41505100be90288.pdf&ei=9I3NU4m2OMGLyAT5kYLgBw&usg=AFQjCNENwNSSaZTk_YcslZyQQrsaITx1ZQ&sig2=HoCS33qUj30RUUe3zpM5gg&bvm=bv.71198958,d.aWw&cad=rja

-http://eocinstitute.org/meditation/boosting-willpower-self-discipline/

so you were wrong about scientific disciplines being able to help us improve our discipline

The chronic regulation of pain through meditation has nothing to do with discipline as used in context.

the second article is an analysis of what will power is and is the closest and makes the best argument for our side unfortunately while it is a good break down of ways to limit stress and what stress does to the brain it's still does not present a scientific way to get me to willing do what I don't want too which is what discipline in practice does.

the third article sorry I am not reading all that shit.

the last one is taken from a website that is selling meditation equipment so i'm inclined to call bullshit on everything thing there.

 

[LUClEN]

You defined discipline as self control and now you define it as doing what people do not want to

If you're looking for an ideology to control people then religion is your tool

but if you're looking for a tool to determine how to do something more quickly, or with fewer errors or how to sleep better at night or improve pain tolerance or learn how to delay gratification then science will always reign supreme

There is nothing in religion that compares the options available to determine which is better

 

[zombie]

You defined discipline as self control and now you define it as doing what people do not want to

If you're looking for an ideology to control people then religion is your tool

]but if you're looking for a tool to determine how to do something more quickly, or with fewer errors or how to sleep better at night or improve pain tolerance or learn how to delay gratification then science will always reign supreme

There is nothing in religion that compares the options available to determine which is better

it is not about competition, like in a free market, where the best option is the winner

it's about monopoly

It's self control that allows you to willingly do what you don't want too that is what i meant thought everyone knew that that was what discipline is . As for the bolded sure. The thing with religion is that it's whole and encompasses many of the things that much of your articles recommended and much more.

BUT NO ONE can delay gratification better than a very religious person some have done so till the point of death