Christians, are you ready to abandon your religion?

[LUClEN]

religion never actually does the work of proving it

much of what religion says has been proven to be ineffective or less desirable than alternatives

If you do not want to do it then why are you doing it?

Unless it is involuntary it makes no sense

It's not self control if you're doing what others want, it's them controlling you

 

[manofmorehouse]

Whether you believe in a higher power or not, why judge what the next man does?? What gets me is that many atheists will sit and accuse religious believers of judging but do the exact same shit. You feel like you have a handle on what life means and how you govern yours, cool. Congrats. However, knocking another nigga that uses religion, statues, meditation or anything else to give them a sense of clarity on their life makes you seem small minded and attention seeking. Do you. If what u believe/don't believe in works for you, why are you concerned about random niggas on the IC that you'll probably never meet?? I thought evangelizing or spreading the good word was a Christian thing, no??

 

[LUClEN]

Whether you believe in a higher power or not, why judge what the next man does??

Children Exposed To Religion Have Difficulty Distinguishing Fact From Fiction, Study Finds

 

[zombie]

religion never actually does the work of proving it

much of what religion says has been proven to be ineffective or less desirable than alternatives

If you do not want to do it then why are you doing it? because it has to be done

Unless it is involuntary it makes no sense

It's not self control if you're doing what others want, it's them controlling you

Religion never claims to want to prove everything, it's faith and never denies to be.

what others want is not important. I of my own freewill choose to follow my religion

 

[manofmorehouse]

Whether you believe in a higher power or not, why judge what the next man does??

Children Exposed To Religion Have Difficulty Distinguishing Fact From Fiction, Study Finds

The study was conducted on 5 and 6 year olds - the same age group that believes ninja turtles and transformers are real. You serious with this shit or nah??

 

[LUClEN]

Whether you believe in a higher power or not, why judge what the next man does??

Children Exposed To Religion Have Difficulty Distinguishing Fact From Fiction, Study Finds

The study was conducted on 5 and 6 year olds - the same age group that believes ninja turtles and transformers are real. You serious with this shit or nah??

If that's true around the board then why are nonreligious kids almost twice as good as religions kids at differentiating fact from fiction?

 

[LUClEN]

religion never actually does the work of proving it

much of what religion says has been proven to be ineffective or less desirable than alternatives

If you do not want to do it then why are you doing it? because it has to be done

Unless it is involuntary it makes no sense

It's not self control if you're doing what others want, it's them controlling you

Religion never claims to want to prove everything, it's faith and never denies to be.

what others want is not important. I of my own freewill choose to follow my religion

If you do what you want then how are you doing what you do not want?

It makes no sense

you changed your definition of discipline and now you have a paradox where people are doing what they want but not doing what they want

If someone is consciously doing something then they must want to do it

just because Joe wants to eat McDonald's but chooses not to does not mean he is not doing what he wants, he just wants to not eat McDonald's more

In your instance of people doing what they must: if they have to do it then they had no choice in the matter

discipline is not even relevant if this is the definition you choose

No matter what definition of discipline you decide to choose next science has to capacity of helping us learn how we can alter it for better and worse

 

[zombie]

religion never actually does the work of proving it

much of what religion says has been proven to be ineffective or less desirable than alternatives

If you do not want to do it then why are you doing it? because it has to be done

Unless it is involuntary it makes no sense

It's not self control if you're doing what others want, it's them controlling you

Religion never claims to want to prove everything, it's faith and never denies to be.

what others want is not important. I of my own freewill choose to follow my religion

If you do what you want then how are you doing what you do not want?

It makes no sense

you changed your definition of discipline and now you have a paradox where people are doing what they want but not doing what they want

If someone is consciously doing something then they must want to do it

just because Joe wants to eat McDonald's but chooses not to does not mean he is not doing what he wants, he just wants to not eat McDonald's more

In your instance of people doing what they must: if they have to do it then they had no choice in the matter

discipline is not even relevant if this is the definition you choose

No matter what definition of discipline you decide to choose next science has to capacity of helping us learn how we can alter it for better and worse

You are confusing what I am saying, when i spoke of doing what I want I was talking about me willingly following my religion even when it means doing what I don't want to. so if you can willingly do what you don't want to then you have discipline. I did not change the meaning of discipline I thought you already knew what I was talking about an how I was using the word. I consciously pay bills I don't want to every month.

AS FOR the bolded SCIENCE CAN HELP people do what they willing want to do. GETTING people to do want they do not want to do is another matter.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Thread is based on ignorance and stupidity and a total misunderstanding of the religion, nothing more than DUMB stereotypes about Christians. Following the principles of the Christian god is a way to strength power and discipline science and religion are not mutually exclusive. does SCIENTIFIC Knowledge help you be a better father or husband or help you build character or teach you economic and general life principles??? NO

Tell that to the family who refuses to abort rape induced pregnancy, stem cell therapy, and vaccinations but religiously pay tithy and offerings to the elusive "building church fund", thinking they're getting over because that dollar in a dish is getting deducted from their taxes.

Their is a beautiful atheist woman out their who hates getting her pussy ate, just for you my brother.

You are only bringing out extremes perpetuated by right and left media for shock value. Like colin cowherd always says on his show the bible belt also statistically is one of the highest parts of the country that download porn and consume alcohol. That wouldn't be true if everyone was like the bullshit you see on tv protesting against anything and bending the bible anyway they want for personal gain.

The majority of christains especailly in my age range 23 are going to church but not going overboard like previous generations. They are also not buying into the b.s. of previous generations than pretty much your going to hell for doing anything fun. Personally im sick of the WWE type scripted drama church and the people who judge you in church and act holier than thou then next month they 16 year old knocked up.

Plus bar for bar my nigga jesus did say some trill stuff not only to the common people but to the church. He ethered the uppity negros aka the pharasees. And the proverbs from that old testament are classic. All jokes aside i don't expect anyone to practice religion like i do but i do think it has helped my life and my system of belif's and morals.

 

[Lab Baby]

Most secular knowledge is either false, corrupt, or already standing on the basis of a higher knowledge. The works science takes credit for was already known by people aeons ago with a higher connection to God. The powers that be control all this information, and we run with it without consulting our own consciousness. At the end of the day, a lot of what we "know" and "understand" is what we choose to. We know it because we BELIEVE it's true. I'm not a religious nut, but I'm not gonna knock anyone's religious beliefs and in the same breath take a science article seriously because it was monetarily funded.

 

[LUClEN]

The works science takes credit for was already known by people aeons ago with a higher connection to God. .

Gross exaggeration

They did not know how to split an atom, or that corporal punishment in childhood leads to domestic violence in adulthood, or that corticosteroids are excellent drugs for reducing inflammation caused by IBD and arthritis

They did not even know enough about hygiene to prevent the black death

 

[LUClEN]

religion never actually does the work of proving it

much of what religion says has been proven to be ineffective or less desirable than alternatives

If you do not want to do it then why are you doing it? because it has to be done

Unless it is involuntary it makes no sense

It's not self control if you're doing what others want, it's them controlling you

Religion never claims to want to prove everything, it's faith and never denies to be.

what others want is not important. I of my own freewill choose to follow my religion

If you do what you want then how are you doing what you do not want?

It makes no sense

you changed your definition of discipline and now you have a paradox where people are doing what they want but not doing what they want

If someone is consciously doing something then they must want to do it

just because Joe wants to eat McDonald's but chooses not to does not mean he is not doing what he wants, he just wants to not eat McDonald's more

In your instance of people doing what they must: if they have to do it then they had no choice in the matter

discipline is not even relevant if this is the definition you choose

No matter what definition of discipline you decide to choose next science has to capacity of helping us learn how we can alter it for better and worse

You are confusing what I am saying, when i spoke of doing what I want I was talking about me willingly following my religion even when it means doing what I don't want to. so if you can willingly do what you don't want to then you have discipline. I did not change the meaning of discipline I thought you already knew what I was talking about an how I was using the word. I consciously pay bills I don't want to every month.

AS FOR the bolded SCIENCE CAN HELP people do what they willing want to do. GETTING people to do want they do not want to do is another matter.

In your example it seems that you do what you do not want (pay bills) because you would rather pay bills than suffer the consequences of not paying bills

If that's the case then you are doing what you want

If by getting people to do what they do not want you mean this:

In its natural sense, discipline is systematic instruction intended to train a person, sometimes literally called a disciple, in a craft, trade or other activity, or to follow a particular code of conduct or "order

Science has already shown us how we can not only better discipline our kids so they obey but it has also played a big role in the development of propaganda, the evolution of advertising (aka the art of making people buy your crap) and the creation of various brainwashing techniques

The method itself does not do it if that's what you mean but it can show us how to improve the ways we do it

 

[kingblaze84]

Most secular knowledge is either false, corrupt, or already standing on the basis of a higher knowledge. The works science takes credit for was already known by people aeons ago with a higher connection to God. The powers that be control all this information, and we run with it without consulting our own consciousness. At the end of the day, a lot of what we "know" and "understand" is what we choose to. We know it because we BELIEVE it's true. I'm not a religious nut, but I'm not gonna knock anyone's religious beliefs and in the same breath take a science article seriously because it was monetarily funded.

Ehh not fully true. Priests and religious people often held back a lot of scientific progress, remember what Galileo went through. Also remember the most progress in science took place after the Black Plague, when religion proved a horrible tool for curing the diseases running rampant. Scientists dared look away from prayer and faith and holy books, and science hasn't looked back ever since. So not sure why you'd say most secular knowledge is false or corrupt, it's done a lot to fix the problems of the world.

Of course, I know about the religious doctors and scientists who have existed, but the vast amount of scientific discovery for the past 100+ years is without question secular in nature. For what it's worth, a large amount of scientists and doctors are atheist, agnostic, or are non religious.

 

[zombie]

religion never actually does the work of proving it

much of what religion says has been proven to be ineffective or less desirable than alternatives

If you do not want to do it then why are you doing it? because it has to be done

Unless it is involuntary it makes no sense

It's not self control if you're doing what others want, it's them controlling you

Religion never claims to want to prove everything, it's faith and never denies to be.

what others want is not important. I of my own freewill choose to follow my religion

If you do what you want then how are you doing what you do not want?

It makes no sense

you changed your definition of discipline and now you have a paradox where people are doing what they want but not doing what they want

If someone is consciously doing something then they must want to do it

just because Joe wants to eat McDonald's but chooses not to does not mean he is not doing what he wants, he just wants to not eat McDonald's more

In your instance of people doing what they must: if they have to do it then they had no choice in the matter

discipline is not even relevant if this is the definition you choose

No matter what definition of discipline you decide to choose next science has to capacity of helping us learn how we can alter it for better and worse

You are confusing what I am saying, when i spoke of doing what I want I was talking about me willingly following my religion even when it means doing what I don't want to. so if you can willingly do what you don't want to then you have discipline. I did not change the meaning of discipline I thought you already knew what I was talking about an how I was using the word. I consciously pay bills I don't want to every month.

AS FOR the bolded SCIENCE CAN HELP people do what they willing want to do. GETTING people to do want they do not want to do is another matter.

In your example it seems that you do what you do not want (pay bills) because you would rather pay bills than suffer the consequences of not paying bills

If that's the case then you are doing what you want

If by getting people to do what they do not want you mean this:

In its natural sense, discipline is systematic instruction intended to train a person, sometimes literally called a disciple, in a craft, trade or other activity, or to follow a particular code of conduct or "order

Science has already shown us how we can not only better discipline our kids so they obey but it has also played a big role in the development of propaganda, the evolution of advertising (aka the art of making people buy your crap) and the creation of various brainwashing techniques

The method itself does not do it if that's what you mean but it can show us how to improve the ways we do it

I don't pay bills because of fear I do so because I have decided that it's the correct thing to do even through I don't really want to do it. i'm going to try clean this up to make it clearer for you. The desire to do what you don't want to do is the discipline created by religion, It's internal and self created.

You don't want to get obedience through instruction, you don't want to lead the person by any outside code. The problem with using a scientific method to create discipline is that it's not self created and internal so it's not true discipline what you described is training.

Why do you think Christians stress finding your own relationship with god

 

[soul rattler]

religion never actually does the work of proving it

much of what religion says has been proven to be ineffective or less desirable than alternatives

If you do not want to do it then why are you doing it? because it has to be done

Unless it is involuntary it makes no sense

It's not self control if you're doing what others want, it's them controlling you

Religion never claims to want to prove everything, it's faith and never denies to be.

what others want is not important. I of my own freewill choose to follow my religion

Every alleged miracle listed in the bible is intended to be proof of divine existence. The Egyptian plagues, walking on water, the pillars of fire and clouds, etc.

You really gonna sit there and say you've never heard a Christian say "Lawd gimme a sign!!"?

 

[SneakDZA]

Aren't you tired of living your daily lives logically, only to abandon the very same common sense that allows you to place one foot ahead of the other in order to walk, just to defend a useless ideology?

Don't you get tired of having the same analogies regurgitated in your face knowing full and we'll you can't relate to men living in whales and talking bushes?

Doesn't it make you nauseous to have to commune with hypocrites, liars, and gossipers every Sunday, Monday, and Thursday?

Is the music really so good that you would humiliate yourself in front of people, yelling gibberish and dancing like a tap dancing Uncle Tom?

Have you grown weary of having to live according to an outdated, mistranslated, plagiarized collection of fables for the sole purpose of appeasing people you could care less for?

Are you ready to take responsibility for your life and hold yourself accountable for your actions instead of passing the blame and praise on fictitious demons and angels?

Turn from this farce of a life. Embrace logic, science, knowledge, and the potential of the human species. It's not too late.

I felt like that Suge gif was missing from the o/p so i fixed it.

 

[zombie]

religion never actually does the work of proving it

much of what religion says has been proven to be ineffective or less desirable than alternatives

If you do not want to do it then why are you doing it? because it has to be done

Unless it is involuntary it makes no sense

It's not self control if you're doing what others want, it's them controlling you

Religion never claims to want to prove everything, it's faith and never denies to be.

what others want is not important. I of my own freewill choose to follow my religion

Every alleged miracle listed in the bible is intended to be proof of divine existence. The Egyptian plagues, walking on water, the pillars of fire and clouds, etc.

You really gonna sit there and say you've never heard a Christian say "Laws gimme a sign!!"?

I meant religion does not claim to know the in and out of how the universe works.your whole response is a straw man.

so troll harder none of what you said has a fucking thing to do with what I said

 

[Lab Baby]

The works science takes credit for was already known by people aeons ago with a higher connection to God. .

Gross exaggeration

They did not know how to split an atom, or that corporal punishment in childhood leads to domestic violence in adulthood, or that corticosteroids are excellent drugs for reducing inflammation caused by IBD and arthritis

They did not even know enough about hygiene to prevent the black death

Most secular knowledge is either false, corrupt, or already standing on the basis of a higher knowledge. The works science takes credit for was already known by people aeons ago with a higher connection to God. The powers that be control all this information, and we run with it without consulting our own consciousness. At the end of the day, a lot of what we "know" and "understand" is what we choose to. We know it because we BELIEVE it's true. I'm not a religious nut, but I'm not gonna knock anyone's religious beliefs and in the same breath take a science article seriously because it was monetarily funded.

Ehh not fully true. Priests and religious people often held back a lot of scientific progress, remember what Galileo went through. Also remember the most progress in science took place after the Black Plague, when religion proved a horrible tool for curing the diseases running rampant. Scientists dared look away from prayer and faith and holy books, and science hasn't looked back ever since. So not sure why you'd say most secular knowledge is false or corrupt, it's done a lot to fix the problems of the world.

Of course, I know about the religious doctors and scientists who have existed, but the vast amount of scientific discovery for the past 100+ years is without question secular in nature. For what it's worth, a large amount of scientists and doctors are atheist, agnostic, or are non religious.

If we are talking about the European era of religion, then yeah... those particular groups have held back all levels of thinking. Like I said, a lot of this stuff has been known already by the Sumerians, Egyptians, Dogon, etc. A good amount of the scientific innovations of the past 100 years is based on mistakes we have made over those same 100 years. The holders of these knowledges have driven us from our own nature into the only path where those knowledges can be applied. Yeah, we have smaller phones and faster cars, but we are dying faster than ever because of what man has put out there as "life". The Black Plague ain't got shit on AIDS (man made) and cancer caused by cigarettes alone. The USDA puts grade A poision on our shelves, and we eat it cuz it's "tasty" or "healthy". The atom split was one of the worst things we have ever done... why that is considered a scientific achievement is beyond me. Yeah, it's an alternative source of energy, but so is solar energy... and they've spent a hell of a lot more time making bombs than energy panels. Our lack of a conscious, which comes from a higher perspective from this physical world, allowed us to accept our own downfall as "the way it is". If I'm wrong on this information, correct me. But the fact still remains... we destroy ourselves without moral compass to intervene.

 

[kingblaze84]

The works science takes credit for was already known by people aeons ago with a higher connection to God. .

Gross exaggeration

They did not know how to split an atom, or that corporal punishment in childhood leads to domestic violence in adulthood, or that corticosteroids are excellent drugs for reducing inflammation caused by IBD and arthritis

They did not even know enough about hygiene to prevent the black death

Most secular knowledge is either false, corrupt, or already standing on the basis of a higher knowledge. The works science takes credit for was already known by people aeons ago with a higher connection to God. The powers that be control all this information, and we run with it without consulting our own consciousness. At the end of the day, a lot of what we "know" and "understand" is what we choose to. We know it because we BELIEVE it's true. I'm not a religious nut, but I'm not gonna knock anyone's religious beliefs and in the same breath take a science article seriously because it was monetarily funded.

Ehh not fully true. Priests and religious people often held back a lot of scientific progress, remember what Galileo went through. Also remember the most progress in science took place after the Black Plague, when religion proved a horrible tool for curing the diseases running rampant. Scientists dared look away from prayer and faith and holy books, and science hasn't looked back ever since. So not sure why you'd say most secular knowledge is false or corrupt, it's done a lot to fix the problems of the world.

Of course, I know about the religious doctors and scientists who have existed, but the vast amount of scientific discovery for the past 100+ years is without question secular in nature. For what it's worth, a large amount of scientists and doctors are atheist, agnostic, or are non religious.

If we are talking about the European era of religion, then yeah... those particular groups have held back all levels of thinking. Like I said, a lot of this stuff has been known already by the Sumerians, Egyptians, Dogon, etc. A good amount of the scientific innovations of the past 100 years is based on mistakes we have made over those same 100 years. The holders of these knowledges have driven us from our own nature into the only path where those knowledges can be applied. Yeah, we have smaller phones and faster cars, but we are dying faster than ever because of what man has put out there as "life". The Black Plague ain't got shit on AIDS (man made) and cancer caused by cigarettes alone. The USDA puts grade A poision on our shelves, and we eat it cuz it's "tasty" or "healthy". The atom split was one of the worst things we have ever done... why that is considered a scientific achievement is beyond me. Yeah, it's an alternative source of energy, but so is solar energy... and they've spent a hell of a lot more time making bombs than energy panels. Our lack of a conscious, which comes from a higher perspective from this physical world, allowed us to accept our own downfall as "the way it is". If I'm wrong on this information, correct me. But the fact still remains... we destroy ourselves without moral compass to intervene.

Yeah modern science isn't perfect, greed and research going too far does hurt people out there. Careless packaging and harmful chemicals in modern foods and products do cause problems, but overall a lot of positives have occurred too. People are living longer and are healthier then ever before, so give modern science credit. If it wasn't for modern medicine, a lot of kids in 3rd world countries would still have parasites growing from their skin. Old fashioned, religious based research couldn't fix that stuff, while modern medicine has created a lot more healthier people. And people are dying in big numbers true but it's often for self inflicted reasons, like you said smoking, eating too much (diabetes) and suicide. Otherwise, we're living longer and are healthier then ever before, life expectancy is up.

Otherwise I agree with you, people aren't looking at things from a humanity based or spiritual based way of living anymore and it is hurting us. Our society is all about greed and resources for the few.

 

[Alkinduz]

@‌christians

do you follow the holy bible fully, or only certain texts?

as in deuternorium etc

dont eat pork, no shaving, not being with women/men sexually before marriage etc etc