Carlos Santana: Beyonce's Not a Singer

[AP21]

Carlos look like one of the extras from Narcos

 

[Kwan Dai]

Man @usmarin3 stop caping!

If Jigga were to drop an album tomorrow with only either Just Blaze or DJ Premier beats he'd still go plat.

If Beyoncé were to go on that Earthy shit with the likes of Saadiq, ?uestlove, Q-Tip, Karriem Riggins etc which I think she can she'll still go plat! She's made a brand for herself already... she did a couple of songs like that on her self titled album.

That's not what we are speaking about. We know Jay would go platinum and we know Beyonce would go platinum. The question is would her album win a Grammy for album of the year?

No. I think that's what you are talking about. The debate was whether or not Carlos Santana's opinion of Beyonce as a "singer" was valid. It has since spun into some of us wanting to hear Beyonce work with some of today's contemporary soul\jazz\R&B artist, producers, and song writers.

 

[king hassan]

As an aside. I would like to see Beyone get with artists like, Quest Love, Robert Glasper, Jill Scott and Badu. Just do some real soul\jazz\R&B type shit with some depth and stop with the shallow, cliche look at me shit. Just one album. Then she can go back to the chicken head, chi chi man anthems. But she is too talented to not dig deeper.

Isn't that what 4 was and it was her lowest selling album to date and mfs was saying she fell off. 4 was pretty much a pure r and b album.

It couldn't have been if, the artists, singers, song writers and producers didn't work on the album with her.

The album not no performing well supports my theory of Beyonce's fan base.

If all those artist you listed can't make that album of the year winner for themselves what makes you think they're gonna do it for Beyonce. Not to mention Beyonces tone and voice is more suited for pop/rnb compared to the neo soul sound of Badu, Roots,etc. Can you see Beyonce making a D'angelo, Raphael Saadiq,etc type album.

I'm not interested in top 40 hits Mr. Casey Kasem, Dick Clark. Or album of the year. And yes I can see Beyonce making an album of that type. I believe she is that talented of an artist.

I personally don't believe she has the tone or sound to make an album like that. Neo-Soul requires an Earthy sound and i don't see Beyonce doing that. That's like saying Chris Brown should make an album like that.

What is a "earthy" sound? You mean Soul???

 

[rip.dilla]

Man @usmarin3 stop caping!

If Jigga were to drop an album tomorrow with only either Just Blaze or DJ Premier beats he'd still go plat.

If Beyoncé were to go on that Earthy shit with the likes of Saadiq, ?uestlove, Q-Tip, Karriem Riggins etc which I think she can she'll still go plat! She's made a brand for herself already... she did a couple of songs like that on her self titled album.

That's not what we are speaking about. We know Jay would go platinum and we know Beyonce would go platinum. The question is would her album win a Grammy for album of the year?

So Lauryn Hill's win in '99 was what?

 

[rip.dilla]

Man @usmarin3 stop caping!

If Jigga were to drop an album tomorrow with only either Just Blaze or DJ Premier beats he'd still go plat.

If Beyoncé were to go on that Earthy shit with the likes of Saadiq, ?uestlove, Q-Tip, Karriem Riggins etc which I think she can she'll still go plat! She's made a brand for herself already... she did a couple of songs like that on her self titled album.

That's not what we are speaking about. We know Jay would go platinum and we know Beyonce would go platinum. The question is would her album win a Grammy for album of the year?

No. I think that's what you are talking about. The debate was whether or not Carlos Santana's opinion of Beyonce as a "singer" was valid. It has since spun into some of us wanting to hear Beyonce work with some of today's contemporary soul\jazz\R&B artist, producers, and song writers.

And the greatest musicians of our time always stepped out of their comfort zone creatively...

I really loved Solange's album and thought it was richer than Lemonade but it is what it is...

 

[32DaysOfInfiniti]

its funny his non singing ass would make such a statement

 

[Already Home_17]

I'm not quite sure why anyone would disagree with Carlos. What he said, isn't a shot a Beyonce if you are an objective listener. Can Beyonce sing? Yes. Can Rihanna sing? Yes. But they aren't singers in the context that Carlos was attempting to convey. Modern day singers are artists like Jill Scott, Ledisi, Bilal, and Keke Wyatt.

But whatever the case foh with an Adele. I don't mess with white artists to tough anyways if, at all. There's just too many amazing Black artists across all genres of music for me to have to.

No

 

[king hassan]

I'm not quite sure why anyone would disagree with Carlos. What he said, isn't a shot a Beyonce if you are an objective listener. Can Beyonce sing? Yes. Can Rihanna sing? Yes. But they aren't singers in the context that Carlos was attempting to convey. Modern day singers are artists like Jill Scott, Ledisi, Bilal, and Keke Wyatt.

But whatever the case foh with an Adele. I don't mess with white artists to tough anyways if, at all. There's just too many amazing Black artists across all genres of music for me to have to.

No

She can't sing a lick

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm not quite sure why anyone would disagree with Carlos. What he said, isn't a shot a Beyonce if you are an objective listener. Can Beyonce sing? Yes. Can Rihanna sing? Yes. But they aren't singers in the context that Carlos was attempting to convey. Modern day singers are artists like Jill Scott, Ledisi, Bilal, and Keke Wyatt.

But whatever the case foh with an Adele. I don't mess with white artists to tough anyways if, at all. There's just too many amazing Black artists across all genres of music for me to have to.

No

She can't sing a lick

lol Yes she can. Maybe not enough to be worthy of the level of fame she has, but she can sing.

 

[king hassan]

I'm not quite sure why anyone would disagree with Carlos. What he said, isn't a shot a Beyonce if you are an objective listener. Can Beyonce sing? Yes. Can Rihanna sing? Yes. But they aren't singers in the context that Carlos was attempting to convey. Modern day singers are artists like Jill Scott, Ledisi, Bilal, and Keke Wyatt.

But whatever the case foh with an Adele. I don't mess with white artists to tough anyways if, at all. There's just too many amazing Black artists across all genres of music for me to have to.

No

She can't sing a lick

lol Yes she can. Maybe not enough to be worthy of the level of fame she has, but she can sing.

It's all slick production and imagery

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm not quite sure why anyone would disagree with Carlos. What he said, isn't a shot a Beyonce if you are an objective listener. Can Beyonce sing? Yes. Can Rihanna sing? Yes. But they aren't singers in the context that Carlos was attempting to convey. Modern day singers are artists like Jill Scott, Ledisi, Bilal, and Keke Wyatt.

But whatever the case foh with an Adele. I don't mess with white artists to tough anyways if, at all. There's just too many amazing Black artists across all genres of music for me to have to.

No

She can't sing a lick

lol Yes she can. Maybe not enough to be worthy of the level of fame she has, but she can sing.

It's all slick production and imagery

You think so? I think her singing is unorthodox and she certainly isn't as good as elite singers, but I don't think she's a hack.

 

[konceptjones]

As an aside. I would like to see Beyone get with artists like, Quest Love, Robert Glasper, Jill Scott and Badu. Just do some real soul\jazz\R&B type shit with some depth and stop with the shallow, cliche look at me shit. Just one album. Then she can go back to the chicken head, chi chi man anthems. But she is too talented to not dig deeper.

She can't. It would expose her limitations. As I said earlier, that video of her that was posted had her voice cracking when she tried to go outside of her fairly narrow range. There's not enough processing you can do to correct shit like that.

 

[soul rattler]

Saying Rihanna can sing is like saying the Knicks can play basketball.

I mean... yeah but barely.

 

[Kwan Dai]

As an aside. I would like to see Beyone get with artists like, Quest Love, Robert Glasper, Jill Scott and Badu. Just do some real soul\jazz\R&B type shit with some depth and stop with the shallow, cliche look at me shit. Just one album. Then she can go back to the chicken head, chi chi man anthems. But she is too talented to not dig deeper.

She can't. It would expose her limitations. As I said earlier, that video of her that was posted had her voice cracking when she tried to go outside of her fairly narrow range. There's not enough processing you can do to correct shit like that.

I disagree. Soul music is from the soul. Not any particular scale or range. Beyonce has a pretty voice, and infectious voice. With the proper writing, and people who are experts in the genre's assistance she could make some fire assed music. There are great soul singers who have limitations. Badu doesn't have great range either. Jill Scott cannot hit the high note. Not every singer be it soul or otherwise are multi octave singers.

 

[soul rattler]

Someone said she needs to work with Jill Scott...


It'll never be enough for you niggas

 

[Kwan Dai]

Someone said she needs to work with Jill Scott...


It'll never be enough for you niggas

Bruv that's a damn cover. I am talking about song writing, in the studio, and on an album.

But for the record. My wife in my next life >>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OucBrUTJt3M

Thank me later.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Someone said she needs to work with Jill Scott...


It'll never be enough for you niggas

*shrugs* It sounds like Beyonce singing Jill Scott's song.

If you can't tell the difference between the way Jill sang it and the way Beyonce sang it, I don't know what to tell you.

Beyonce didn't sound bad, but it's not the same. There is a difference between Soul music and Pop R&B. Some artists can dabble in both. Others are strongly in one category or the other. I just can't see Beyonce doing Soul music convincingly.

 

[soul rattler]

It's not supposed to be the same. Beyonce doesn't sound like Jill Scott, Jill Scott don't sound like Jazmine Sullivan, Jazmine Sullivan doesn't sound like India Arie, India Arie don't sound like Erykah Badu, etc. Unlike those singers who, let's be honest, don't have the versatility she does, she doesn't only have to make one type of music. A couple of them tried and failed miserably.

If all you can throw at her is that she ain't doing it like everybody else as if that's a strike against her, that's your problem. Not hers. And your bias doesn't negate her versatility.

I'm not a Stan for anybody but it's funny to me when people look at a duck looking walking and quacking like a duck and swear up and down its a chicken.

 

[desertrain10]

yall some haters man lol

beyonce is not whitney, but she can do more than just carry a note

and other musicians, like prince, have praised beyonce as a great vocalist and talent

so it's debatable

adele's great too, but I can't say she is a far superior vocalist ....and her technique is lacking... ever live performance I've seen of adele she has been pitchy

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It's not supposed to be the same. Beyonce doesn't sound like Jill Scott, Jill Scott don't sound like Jazmine Sullivan, Jazmine Sullivan doesn't sound like India Arie, India Arie don't sound like Erykah Badu, etc. Unlike those singers who, let's be honest, don't have the versatility she does, she doesn't only have to make one type of music. A couple of them tried and failed miserably.

If all you can throw at her is that she ain't doing it like everybody else as if that's a strike against her, that's your problem. Not hers. And your bias doesn't negate her versatility.

I'm not a Stan for anybody but it's funny to me when people look at a duck looking walking and quacking like a duck and swear up and down its a chicken.

Slow your caping down man. I'm not downing Beyonce. I just don't think she would be a good Soul singer. Nobody said she has to sing just like Jill Scott. That wasn't the point and you know that. I pointed out that Soul music doesn't sound like Pop R&B. That's why they are considered two different genres. Beyonce sang the song, the way she sings all of her ballads, which was just fine from an R&B standpoint. It didn't sound soulful like Jill Scott's rendition. That's the point. A ER doctor is probably more versatile than a neurologist. That doesn't mean an ER doctor would make a good neurologist.