Carlos Santana: Beyonce's Not a Singer

[Trillfate]

Beyonce Me Myself and I

https://youtu.be/4S37SGxZSMc

Love on top >>>>

 

[usmarin3]

Not the first musician ive heard say this(rumor has it prince said the same)

They must got sensitive dog hearing cause she sounds like she can sing to me

Wtf am i missing

Beyonce is good at yelling into the mic. That's what her "singing" amounts to.

It's like Madonna vs Cyndi Lauper or Britney Spears vs Christina Aguilera. One can sing a bit and is entertaining to watch because of their showmanship, the other can SANG and hold it down without anything else happening.

Beyonce's voice is largely atonal, there's no real range there, just loudness and runs. She could never hold a candle to a Sade, Anita Baker, Roberta Flack or the like. What she does passes for singing these days because she's got a strong promo team behind her and money to keep her records in rotation.

 

[blackrain]

Carlos, you are cancelled, bitch!

Calm down beyhive...he already posted something issuing a correction to his comment lol

 

[Ol Jay's]

what does singing better have to do with "album of the year", didn't Kendrick win last year?

Well considering you can't see Beyonce dancing, shaking her ass, and all that other stuff on the actual album, I'd say who sings better probably has a lot to do with it.

I'm talking about overall body of work, Lemonade is very versatile and there's several singles on it, whereas 25 is one dimensional and lacks charisma

 

[JokerzWyld]

Beyoncé can sing. Singing is the the only contribution she makes. She doesn't write, choreograph, or produce. That limits her as an artist, but not a singer.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

what does singing better have to do with "album of the year", didn't Kendrick win last year?

Well considering you can't see Beyonce dancing, shaking her ass, and all that other stuff on the actual album, I'd say who sings better probably has a lot to do with it.

not really.

its album of the year, not best vocal performance

albums of different genres are nominated, so who sings better isn't that much of a factor

It is if the the decision is between two people that sing. I'm not saying, it's the only thing that matters, but I can't see how anyone can act like the quality of singing doesn't matter in two albums from singers.

If it was about singing Taylor Swift shouldn't even be nominated so why is it all problem all of a sudden when a black/urban artist is in the run. People keep changing the criteria.

Because Beyonce fans are making an issue out of it. It's not like Santana just came out hating. He's responding to the controversy that's already at play.

what does singing better have to do with "album of the year", didn't Kendrick win last year?

Well considering you can't see Beyonce dancing, shaking her ass, and all that other stuff on the actual album, I'd say who sings better probably has a lot to do with it.

I'm talking about overall body of work, Lemonade is very versatile and there's several singles on it, whereas 25 is one dimensional and lacks charisma

I've never listened to Lemonade, but I can take your word for it.

 

[Trillfate]

Beyoncé can sing. Singing is the the only contribution she makes. She doesn't write, choreograph, or produce. That limits her as an artist, but not a singer.

She co-writes a lot

 

[Ol Jay's]

Beyonce does write, you don't get a writer's credit for signing, and several of her choreographers she works with says comes up with a lot of her dances

Producers have also stated she arranges the vocals, they even dubbed it "adding the Beyonce twist"

 

[konceptjones]

Not the first musician ive heard say this(rumor has it prince said the same)

They must got sensitive dog hearing cause she sounds like she can sing to me

Wtf am i missing

Beyonce is good at yelling into the mic. That's what her "singing" amounts to.

It's like Madonna vs Cyndi Lauper or Britney Spears vs Christina Aguilera. One can sing a bit and is entertaining to watch because of their showmanship, the other can SANG and hold it down without anything else happening.

Beyonce's voice is largely atonal, there's no real range there, just loudness and runs. She could never hold a candle to a Sade, Anita Baker, Roberta Flack or the like. What she does passes for singing these days because she's got a strong promo team behind her and money to keep her records in rotation.

so you posted her singing largely atonally and getting loud to back me up?

In case you missed it, as soon as she tried to get out of her range her voice cracked, this happens several times in the video. So instead of going for range she went for volume, which is her typical fallback.

Beyonce is an ok singer; nothing special really. Truth be told her sister is a far better singer.

 

[Already Home_17]

what does singing better have to do with "album of the year", didn't Kendrick win last year?

Well considering you can't see Beyonce dancing, shaking her ass, and all that other stuff on the actual album, I'd say who sings better probably has a lot to do with it.

not really.

its album of the year, not best vocal performance

albums of different genres are nominated, so who sings better isn't that much of a factor

It is if the the decision is between two people that sing. I'm not saying, it's the only thing that matters, but I can't see how anyone can act like the quality of singing doesn't matter in two albums from singers.

but the ability to sing can't be the deciding factor based on the category's name

 

[blackrain]

Not the first musician ive heard say this(rumor has it prince said the same)

They must got sensitive dog hearing cause she sounds like she can sing to me

Wtf am i missing

Beyonce is good at yelling into the mic. That's what her "singing" amounts to.

It's like Madonna vs Cyndi Lauper or Britney Spears vs Christina Aguilera. One can sing a bit and is entertaining to watch because of their showmanship, the other can SANG and hold it down without anything else happening.

Beyonce's voice is largely atonal, there's no real range there, just loudness and runs. She could never hold a candle to a Sade, Anita Baker, Roberta Flack or the like. What she does passes for singing these days because she's got a strong promo team behind her and money to keep her records in rotation.

so you posted her singing largely atonally and getting loud to back me up?

In case you missed it, as soon as she tried to get out of her range her voice cracked, this happens several times in the video. So instead of going for range she went for volume, which is her typical fallback.

Beyonce is an ok singer; nothing special really. Truth be told her sister is a far better singer.

Nah...Solange can sing but far better than Beyonce? Nah she's not. As far as Beyonce's voice it's nice, better than most especially in the mainstream but at this point the show she puts on takes precedence over how she sounds live...though she does deserve credit for never lipsynching her performances. Her vocals are always live and that's hard to do with all the dancing she does

 

[Ol Jay's]

this was not the "vocal performance of the year" award

 

[konceptjones]

Also, something y'all forget: These awards are voted on by other artists and industry types. The criteria for becoming a voting member of the academy isn't all that difficult to pull off, especially now that they accept artists that are digitally released instead of demanding a physical release. Shit, if I sat down and put in the work, by the end of the year I could be a voting member.

What other artists view as a good album vs what the people view as a good album are going to be different. You're being judged by your peers when you get that Grammy nod. A cat that sold 50K copies of an album that was incredibly good has just as good a chance as getting a nomination, if not a win as someone that sold 4 million. This has happened numerous times, with the most memorable (to me anyways) being The Foreign Exchange being nominated for Best Urban/Alternative Performance for their song "Daykeeper" against not only Beyonce herself, but also Solange that year.

 

[desertrain10]

Also, something y'all forget: These awards are voted on by other artists and industry types. The criteria for becoming a voting member of the academy isn't all that difficult to pull off, especially now that they accept artists that are digitally released instead of demanding a physical release. Shit, if I sat down and put in the work, by the end of the year I could be a voting member.

What other artists view as a good album vs what the people view as a good album are going to be different. You're being judged by your peers when you get that Grammy nod. A cat that sold 50K copies of an album that was incredibly good has just as good a chance as getting a nomination, if not a win as someone that sold 4 million. This has happened numerous times, with the most memorable (to me anyways) being The Foreign Exchange being nominated for Best Urban/Alternative Performance for their song "Daykeeper" against not only Beyonce herself, but also Solange that year.

the voters are predominantly old and/or white

also i'd like to think their (e.g. artists, musicians, song writers, etc) taste/ear for music would be a bit more sophisticated

but then again taylor swift's "1985" won album over the year over kdot's TPAB last year so I dunno

 

[FlightKing]

He's right, she's not a singer, singer. She's a singer-entertainer. His point stands.

 

[konceptjones]

Also, something y'all forget: These awards are voted on by other artists and industry types. The criteria for becoming a voting member of the academy isn't all that difficult to pull off, especially now that they accept artists that are digitally released instead of demanding a physical release. Shit, if I sat down and put in the work, by the end of the year I could be a voting member.

What other artists view as a good album vs what the people view as a good album are going to be different. You're being judged by your peers when you get that Grammy nod. A cat that sold 50K copies of an album that was incredibly good has just as good a chance as getting a nomination, if not a win as someone that sold 4 million. This has happened numerous times, with the most memorable (to me anyways) being The Foreign Exchange being nominated for Best Urban/Alternative Performance for their song "Daykeeper" against not only Beyonce herself, but also Solange that year.

the voters are predominantly old and/or white

also i'd like to think their (e.g. artists, musicians, song writers, etc) taste/ear for music would be a bit more sophisticated

but then again taylor swift's "1985" won album over the year over kdot's TPAB last year so I dunno

Typically it is more sophisticated; that's why she lost. Adele's album was more appreciated by those with an ear for it. While y'all might not like it, from an artist's perspective it was simply better.

 

[desertrain10]

Also, something y'all forget: These awards are voted on by other artists and industry types. The criteria for becoming a voting member of the academy isn't all that difficult to pull off, especially now that they accept artists that are digitally released instead of demanding a physical release. Shit, if I sat down and put in the work, by the end of the year I could be a voting member.

What other artists view as a good album vs what the people view as a good album are going to be different. You're being judged by your peers when you get that Grammy nod. A cat that sold 50K copies of an album that was incredibly good has just as good a chance as getting a nomination, if not a win as someone that sold 4 million. This has happened numerous times, with the most memorable (to me anyways) being The Foreign Exchange being nominated for Best Urban/Alternative Performance for their song "Daykeeper" against not only Beyonce herself, but also Solange that year.

the voters are predominantly old and/or white

also i'd like to think their (e.g. artists, musicians, song writers, etc) taste/ear for music would be a bit more sophisticated

but then again taylor swift's "1985" won album over the year over kdot's TPAB last year so I dunno

Typically it is more sophisticated; that's why she lost. Adele's album was more appreciated by those with an ear for it. While y'all might not like it, from an artist's perspective it was simply better.

lol

but then again taylor swift's "1985" won album over the year over kdot's TPAB last year

and i will never concede or understand 1985 being the better album

everything is subjective I guess....

but it also seems as if there is some cultural bias that exist

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Also, something y'all forget: These awards are voted on by other artists and industry types. The criteria for becoming a voting member of the academy isn't all that difficult to pull off, especially now that they accept artists that are digitally released instead of demanding a physical release. Shit, if I sat down and put in the work, by the end of the year I could be a voting member.

What other artists view as a good album vs what the people view as a good album are going to be different. You're being judged by your peers when you get that Grammy nod. A cat that sold 50K copies of an album that was incredibly good has just as good a chance as getting a nomination, if not a win as someone that sold 4 million. This has happened numerous times, with the most memorable (to me anyways) being The Foreign Exchange being nominated for Best Urban/Alternative Performance for their song "Daykeeper" against not only Beyonce herself, but also Solange that year.

the voters are predominantly old and/or white

also i'd like to think their (e.g. artists, musicians, song writers, etc) taste/ear for music would be a bit more sophisticated

but then again taylor swift's "1985" won album over the year over kdot's TPAB last year so I dunno

Typically it is more sophisticated; that's why she lost. Adele's album was more appreciated by those with an ear for it. While y'all might not like it, from an artist's perspective it was simply better.

lol

but then again taylor swift's "1985" won album over the year over kdot's TPAB last year

and i will never concede or understand 1985 being the better album

everything is subjective I guess....

but it also seems as if there is some cultural bias that exist

The bold goes without saying. This is still a majority white country. Did you really believe an album that is unabashedly black would be out a beloved Becky?

 

[jono]

Beyonce is in that Aaliyah class of singer/entertainer with a heavy emphasis on entertainer. The same as Michael Jackson.

A SINGER though? Different category. Jill Scott, Marsha Ambrosius and the like are SINGERS. They sell song, not song, dance and costume changes.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, I just think its a difference.

 

[konceptjones]

Also, something y'all forget: These awards are voted on by other artists and industry types. The criteria for becoming a voting member of the academy isn't all that difficult to pull off, especially now that they accept artists that are digitally released instead of demanding a physical release. Shit, if I sat down and put in the work, by the end of the year I could be a voting member.

What other artists view as a good album vs what the people view as a good album are going to be different. You're being judged by your peers when you get that Grammy nod. A cat that sold 50K copies of an album that was incredibly good has just as good a chance as getting a nomination, if not a win as someone that sold 4 million. This has happened numerous times, with the most memorable (to me anyways) being The Foreign Exchange being nominated for Best Urban/Alternative Performance for their song "Daykeeper" against not only Beyonce herself, but also Solange that year.

the voters are predominantly old and/or white

also i'd like to think their (e.g. artists, musicians, song writers, etc) taste/ear for music would be a bit more sophisticated

but then again taylor swift's "1985" won album over the year over kdot's TPAB last year so I dunno

Typically it is more sophisticated; that's why she lost. Adele's album was more appreciated by those with an ear for it. While y'all might not like it, from an artist's perspective it was simply better.

lol

but then again taylor swift's "1985" won album over the year over kdot's TPAB last year

and i will never concede or understand 1985 being the better album

everything is subjective I guess....

but it also seems as if there is some cultural bias that exist

The bold goes without saying. This is still a majority white country. Did you really believe an album that is unabashedly black would be out a beloved Becky?

Stevie Wonder beat out Bette Midler and Paul Simon in '74

Stevie Wonder beat out John Denver, Paul McCartney, Elton John, and Joni Mitchell in '75

Stevie Wonder beat out Chicago, Peter Frampton, and Boz Skaggs in '77.

Michael Jackson beat out David Bowie, Billy Joel, and The Police in '84

Lionel Ritchie beat out Cyndi Lauper and Bruce Springsteen in '85

Quincy Jones beat out Phil Collins and Wilson Phillips in '91

Natalie Cole beat out Amy Grant, Bonnie Raitt, R.E.M., and Paul Simon in '92

Lauryn Hill beat out Madonna, Sheryl Crow, Garbage, and Shania Twain in '99

c'mon now y'all...