Black Students Have Segregated Housing Options At Cal State LA

[Vellum]

for anyone curious here are the demands. read it and tell me why they are weak.
http://afrikanblackcoalition.org/20...-state-university-los-angeles-issues-demands/

This is from a year ago. Is this still relevant? It literally says the date in the URL. Also, lmfao at you new niggas thinking you can wish demands into existence. What the fuck is happening right now in America? LOL

What do u mean is it still relevant? That is the letter that started all of this. They made their demands in 2015 and have gone back and forth for a year. New nigga? They are doing exactly what they should be doing. They have a union negotiating on their behalf. That's not new. Read their demands again. They are not asking for shit outta nowhere. They asking for stuff that the school has provided to others. The 30 mil scholarship money aint gonna fly but fuck it demand high and meet in the middle.

Oh, i didnt know this is what started it. I read their demands, theyre still pretty naive, and ridiculous to put it nicely. Im worried about this new wave of liberal leftist morons in college, and fresh out, that are basically acting like fascist, but are mad at trump for the same thing theyre doing.

I'll pick 5 of the 14 out, which is over a third of their demands, which are silly. I could easily toss in a few more, like the aforementioned 30 million dollars.

• WE DEMAND Black scholarships geared to black students who are both athletes and non-athletes. (Vague and general. This means nothing. There are tons of scholorships for black americans, poor americans, ect.. Like what do you want? The federal government to allocate more funds to Cal state, orrrrrr..?)
  
• WE DEMAND the creation of a Master’s program in the Pan African Studies Department. (You cant demand something like that. There is a process to getting such a program created. Otherwise people would demand a call of duty class, since a shit ton of people play it, and would join)
  
• WE DEMAND the hiring of ten tenured track professors in the Pan African Studies Department. We also DEMAND a continuous commitment to the hiring of Black faculty across all academic disciplines. (This is obviously silly, and you cant demand a fucking tenured professor. You work towards tenure. You never get hired, and get that shit off top. Clearly they dont know how this works. I know, my girl is working on her phd right now)
  
• WE DEMAND more Black students hired for on-campus, student assistant, work positions. (Are they applying in the first place? I would probably guess its safe to assume theyre not, or not a lot. You cant demand something that people arent choosing to be involved with in the first place, and just because some black people arent hired for those positions, doesnt mean theyre vetting them based on race)
  
• WE DEMAND CSLA immediately divests ALL its investment holdings (active, passive, direct and indirect) from the private prison corporations of Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group. (ARE YOU SERIOUS!?)
  

Oh, lemme add one more, because this is LOOOLZ

• WE DEMAND first and second year students fulfil a minimum of two ethnic studies courses, with one being a Pan African Studies course, as a graduation requirement. ( You cant force people to take ethnic studies courses. I shouldnt have to point out any further in detail how this is nonsense.
  

None of those demands are silly, WTF are you talking about? And your reasons for why they are silly are stupid. For example, they are perfectly free to demand the creation of a Master's program and the university can respond by putting that process into action.

Id have to do a lot of research to see how cal state chooses its masters programs, but i can assure you its not from demands by students. I assure you theyre not gonna go, "HMMMMM, oh look, they want a masters program in pan african studies. Nooooo problem. Jolly gee, why didnt we think of this. Lets hire someone right now, and get this started".

Its one thing to put forward action, protest, conversation with decision makers to get that done. Another to have the audacity to demand it, as if poof, it can just happen.

Yes, all of those demands were silly. You chose the easiest one to attack.

 

[Purr]

for anyone curious here are the demands. read it and tell me why they are weak.
http://afrikanblackcoalition.org/20...-state-university-los-angeles-issues-demands/

This is from a year ago. Is this still relevant? It literally says the date in the URL. Also, lmfao at you new niggas thinking you can wish demands into existence. What the fuck is happening right now in America? LOL

What do u mean is it still relevant? That is the letter that started all of this. They made their demands in 2015 and have gone back and forth for a year. New nigga? They are doing exactly what they should be doing. They have a union negotiating on their behalf. That's not new. Read their demands again. They are not asking for shit outta nowhere. They asking for stuff that the school has provided to others. The 30 mil scholarship money aint gonna fly but fuck it demand high and meet in the middle.

Oh, i didnt know this is what started it. I read their demands, theyre still pretty naive, and ridiculous to put it nicely. Im worried about this new wave of liberal leftist morons in college, and fresh out, that are basically acting like fascist, but are mad at trump for the same thing theyre doing.

I'll pick 5 of the 14 out, which is over a third of their demands, which are silly. I could easily toss in a few more, like the aforementioned 30 million dollars.

• WE DEMAND Black scholarships geared to black students who are both athletes and non-athletes. (Vague and general. This means nothing. There are tons of scholorships for black americans, poor americans, ect.. Like what do you want? The federal government to allocate more funds to Cal state, orrrrrr..?)
  
• WE DEMAND the creation of a Master’s program in the Pan African Studies Department. (You cant demand something like that. There is a process to getting such a program created. Otherwise people would demand a call of duty class, since a shit ton of people play it, and would join)
  
• WE DEMAND the hiring of ten tenured track professors in the Pan African Studies Department. We also DEMAND a continuous commitment to the hiring of Black faculty across all academic disciplines. (This is obviously silly, and you cant demand a fucking tenured professor. You work towards tenure. You never get hired, and get that shit off top. Clearly they dont know how this works. I know, my girl is working on her phd right now)
  
• WE DEMAND more Black students hired for on-campus, student assistant, work positions. (Are they applying in the first place? I would probably guess its safe to assume theyre not, or not a lot. You cant demand something that people arent choosing to be involved with in the first place, and just because some black people arent hired for those positions, doesnt mean theyre vetting them based on race)
  
• WE DEMAND CSLA immediately divests ALL its investment holdings (active, passive, direct and indirect) from the private prison corporations of Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group. (ARE YOU SERIOUS!?)
  

Oh, lemme add one more, because this is LOOOLZ

• WE DEMAND first and second year students fulfil a minimum of two ethnic studies courses, with one being a Pan African Studies course, as a graduation requirement. ( You cant force people to take ethnic studies courses. I shouldnt have to point out any further in detail how this is nonsense.
  

None of those demands are silly, WTF are you talking about? And your reasons for why they are silly are stupid. For example, they are perfectly free to demand the creation of a Master's program and the university can respond by putting that process into action.

CSULA wont. Thats the issue. They tried to dismantle the Bachelors programs for pan african studies.

But we had ppl like cornell west, angela davis, tim wise (ugh) and other prominent political and race theory figures protest the school from taking away the program.

The masters program isnt going to come about because they REALLY do not see a need for it when theres an Lantix and Asian masters program.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

After looking into it, this shit was completely misrepresented. It's not segregation at all. It's more or less what @semi-auto-mato was saying.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-housing-cal-state-la--20160906-snap-story.html

Basically the housing unit is set aside for people interested in the problems affecting the black community. It's a themed living space and I'm guessing they will be promoting charity and civil work that can be accomplished towards that end. It's not even limited to black people. Anybody can live there as long as they want to be part of the program.

Sounds like a good idea to me, so I retract my my stance.

Its still kind of the same thing as the original post. Its still housing primarily directed at black students who need a safe space from differing opinions, but technically anyone can join, because segregation is illegal. Latimes is just kind of rewording what was already in the OP. We know this isnt new, but its a new day and age, and people have new criticisms. I mean, there has always been different racial clubs, gender clubs, ect.. at schools across the nation. Which is different than actual dedicated housing. Themed housing must be new within the past decade TOPS, or im woefully ignorant.

We understand why this is a problem though. People naturally already choose bubbles to float through life in. This is normal. The college experience should aim to challenge and break some of that bubble experience down though. When youre basically waking up in a bubble, quickly going through the outside world (classes, food, ect..), and then back to your bubble as a young person, youre not going to be a well adjusted adult in the coming years.

Lemme breathe a second, and show emapthy for the situation. Humans are very tribal, i get this, and historically oppressed groups of people have different perceived necessities than others. That said, having a black club, gay club, asian club, whatever, fine. When you get into themed housing, especially with todays pseudo liberal wannabe activist students on campus, i just personally find that a step backwards in stepping towards america popping this bubble problem we have.

Thats just me though i guess. Also, the demands though. lol

The program isn't about a safe space form different opinions at all. It's more about surrounding students with those who support a similar cause and facilitating their efforts toward that cause. The OP article was just reckless in the way it described it.

The article also mentioned UConn having a similar program and FOXNews attacked UConn previously, but wound up looking stupid when it was revealed what the truth actually was and the fact that the black program wasn't even the first program like that. There were already other special interest housing groups in place.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this and calling it segregation does what they are trying to accomplish a big disservice.

 

[Purr]

Now y'all niggas is mad at students for wanting to feel safe when they're at school. Smh. This cant be life.

Niggas who ain't never enrolled in the school are arguing with alumni about how their school is lmao. Shit is comedy

It's really funny.

And sad

Yall like the idea of black people standing up but dont like the action of black people standing up. Fucking keyboard activists.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

CSULA wont. Thats the issue. They tried to dismantle the Bachelors programs for pan african studies.

But we had ppl like cornell west, angela davis, tim wise (ugh) and other prominent political and race theory figures protest the school from taking away the program.

The masters program isnt going to come about because they REALLY do not see a need for it when theres an Lantix and Asian masters program.

That's messed up. Why does having an Asian Masters program preclude the need for a Pan African Masters program? What kinda dumbass logic is that?

lol And why you say "ugh" with Tim Wise? Dude drops a lot of knowledge. He might be white, but at least he acknowledges that he learned everything he speaks on from blacks. You know how it is. Some white people will only believe shit if they hear it from a white mouth, so we need people like him.

Now y'all niggas is mad at students for wanting to feel safe when they're at school. Smh. This cant be life.

Niggas who ain't never enrolled in the school are arguing with alumni about how their school is lmao. Shit is comedy

It's really funny.

And sad

Yall like the idea of black people standing up but dont like the action of black people standing up. Fucking keyboard activists.

So people can't be for "standing up" without disagreeing with why a particular group is standing up or what they are trying to accomplish?

I mean I've retracted and now that I understand it better, I think what they've done is dope, but what you're saying doesn't seem to be a fair sentiment.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Id have to do a lot of research to see how cal state chooses its masters programs, but i can assure you its not from demands by students. I assure you theyre not gonna go, "HMMMMM, oh look, they want a masters program in pan african studies. Nooooo problem. Jolly gee, why didnt we think of this. Lets hire someone right now, and get this started".

Its one thing to put forward action, protest, conversation with decision makers to get that done. Another to have the audacity to demand it, as if poof, it can just happen.

Yes, all of those demands were silly. You chose the easiest one to attack.

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense. How would a college even know there was interest in a certain program unless students and other brought it to their attention? And in light of what @Purr said, it looks like they've gone that way with no resolution and now they are trying to be more forceful about it. What's wrong with that? People pay too much money to these schools to not be able to exercise some influence on how the schools are run and what they do.

And I could have attacked any of your points just as easily because they were all stupid. You don't seem to understand the concept of a protest or how things can be changed as a result of protests.

 

[Vellum]

After looking into it, this shit was completely misrepresented. It's not segregation at all. It's more or less what @semi-auto-mato was saying.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-housing-cal-state-la--20160906-snap-story.html

Basically the housing unit is set aside for people interested in the problems affecting the black community. It's a themed living space and I'm guessing they will be promoting charity and civil work that can be accomplished towards that end. It's not even limited to black people. Anybody can live there as long as they want to be part of the program.

Sounds like a good idea to me, so I retract my my stance.

Its still kind of the same thing as the original post. Its still housing primarily directed at black students who need a safe space from differing opinions, but technically anyone can join, because segregation is illegal. Latimes is just kind of rewording what was already in the OP. We know this isnt new, but its a new day and age, and people have new criticisms. I mean, there has always been different racial clubs, gender clubs, ect.. at schools across the nation. Which is different than actual dedicated housing. Themed housing must be new within the past decade TOPS, or im woefully ignorant.

We understand why this is a problem though. People naturally already choose bubbles to float through life in. This is normal. The college experience should aim to challenge and break some of that bubble experience down though. When youre basically waking up in a bubble, quickly going through the outside world (classes, food, ect..), and then back to your bubble as a young person, youre not going to be a well adjusted adult in the coming years.

Lemme breathe a second, and show emapthy for the situation. Humans are very tribal, i get this, and historically oppressed groups of people have different perceived necessities than others. That said, having a black club, gay club, asian club, whatever, fine. When you get into themed housing, especially with todays pseudo liberal wannabe activist students on campus, i just personally find that a step backwards in stepping towards america popping this bubble problem we have.

Thats just me though i guess. Also, the demands though. lol

The program isn't about a safe space form different opinions at all. It's more about surrounding students with those who support a similar cause and facilitating their efforts toward that cause. The OP article was just reckless in the way it described it.

The article also mentioned UConn having a similar program and FOXNews attacked UConn previously, but wound up looking stupid when it was revealed what the truth actually was and the fact that the black program wasn't even the first program like that. There were already other special interest housing groups in place.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this and calling it segregation does what they are trying to accomplish a big disservice.

It is about that, otherwise it would not exist. You think that housing is gonna be ground zero for white conservative republicans on campus that think BLM is stupid? No, just like all the other themed houses, theyre essentially safe spaces, worded as an open experience for everyone to join in, even though we know exactly what it will be.

It might be what the school ideally wants, but what it will inevitably turn into is a safe space, where any dissent outside of the dictated intellectual, political, and social norm will not be acceptable. Are we going to pretend like we havent been saying this liberal safe space plague (that i once refused to believe existed, and was just small pockets) rage across america???

The only thing the OP article did different was mention segregation, which immediately when tied to it being black theme housing rises a lot of emotions, as it quickly did in all of us. The core of everything else is still in the OP. Nothing has changed.

What they want is housing where like minds can be, and they can be safe from microaggressions and racially insensitive remarks. Whatever the fuck the latter means. Sounds like microaggressions just reworded. This is coming from their own letter to the president. They also mentioned racist attacks from the staff, students, and professors, but i have no reason to give merit to that. No university would accept that behavior.

I'll just agree to disagree in this thread. Its not going anywhere. America is a racist cesspool, youre all severely oppressed by white supremacy to the point that you cant breathe without being called a nigga, you cant get jobs because of racism, the only successful black people are just coons in disguise, all cops are racist pigs, liberal democrats are your best friends, and why should you ever, EVER be discomforted in life.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

After looking into it, this shit was completely misrepresented. It's not segregation at all. It's more or less what @semi-auto-mato was saying.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-housing-cal-state-la--20160906-snap-story.html

Basically the housing unit is set aside for people interested in the problems affecting the black community. It's a themed living space and I'm guessing they will be promoting charity and civil work that can be accomplished towards that end. It's not even limited to black people. Anybody can live there as long as they want to be part of the program.

Sounds like a good idea to me, so I retract my my stance.

Its still kind of the same thing as the original post. Its still housing primarily directed at black students who need a safe space from differing opinions, but technically anyone can join, because segregation is illegal. Latimes is just kind of rewording what was already in the OP. We know this isnt new, but its a new day and age, and people have new criticisms. I mean, there has always been different racial clubs, gender clubs, ect.. at schools across the nation. Which is different than actual dedicated housing. Themed housing must be new within the past decade TOPS, or im woefully ignorant.

We understand why this is a problem though. People naturally already choose bubbles to float through life in. This is normal. The college experience should aim to challenge and break some of that bubble experience down though. When youre basically waking up in a bubble, quickly going through the outside world (classes, food, ect..), and then back to your bubble as a young person, youre not going to be a well adjusted adult in the coming years.

Lemme breathe a second, and show emapthy for the situation. Humans are very tribal, i get this, and historically oppressed groups of people have different perceived necessities than others. That said, having a black club, gay club, asian club, whatever, fine. When you get into themed housing, especially with todays pseudo liberal wannabe activist students on campus, i just personally find that a step backwards in stepping towards america popping this bubble problem we have.

Thats just me though i guess. Also, the demands though. lol

The program isn't about a safe space form different opinions at all. It's more about surrounding students with those who support a similar cause and facilitating their efforts toward that cause. The OP article was just reckless in the way it described it.

The article also mentioned UConn having a similar program and FOXNews attacked UConn previously, but wound up looking stupid when it was revealed what the truth actually was and the fact that the black program wasn't even the first program like that. There were already other special interest housing groups in place.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this and calling it segregation does what they are trying to accomplish a big disservice.

It is about that, otherwise it would not exist. You think that housing is gonna be ground zero for white conservative republicans on campus that think BLM is stupid? No, just like all the other themed houses, theyre essentially safe spaces, worded as an open experience for everyone to join in, even though we know exactly what it will be.

It might be what the school ideally wants, but what it will inevitably turn into is a safe space, where any dissent outside of the dictated intellectual, political, and social norm will not be acceptable. Are we going to pretend like we havent been saying this liberal safe space plague (that i once refused to believe existed, and was just small pockets) rage across america???

The only thing the OP article did different was mention segregation, which immediately when tied to it being black theme housing rises a lot of emotions, as it quickly did in all of us. The core of everything else is still in the OP. Nothing has changed.

What they want is housing where like minds can be, and they can be safe from microaggressions and racially insensitive remarks. Whatever the fuck the latter means. Sounds like microaggressions just reworded. This is coming from their own letter to the president. They also mentioned racist attacks from the staff, students, and professors, but i have no reason to give merit to that. No university would accept that behavior.

I'll just agree to disagree in this thread. Its not going anywhere. America is a racist cesspool, youre all severely oppressed by white supremacy to the point that you cant breathe without being called a nigga, you cant get jobs because of racism, the only successful black people are just coons in disguise, all cops are racist pigs, liberal democrats are your best friends, and why should you ever, EVER be discomforted in life.

The bold is the tactic usually used by people who can't really support their argument. Basically you're saying "I'm going to exaggerate your side to absurdity, so when I tap out, it looks like I'm the bigger person." Your stance on this matter is basically contrary to reality at this point, so you trying to make it seem like the opposition is the one being ridiculous is childish.

 

[Vellum]

Id have to do a lot of research to see how cal state chooses its masters programs, but i can assure you its not from demands by students. I assure you theyre not gonna go, "HMMMMM, oh look, they want a masters program in pan african studies. Nooooo problem. Jolly gee, why didnt we think of this. Lets hire someone right now, and get this started".

Its one thing to put forward action, protest, conversation with decision makers to get that done. Another to have the audacity to demand it, as if poof, it can just happen.

Yes, all of those demands were silly. You chose the easiest one to attack.

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense. How would a college even know there was interest in a certain program unless students and other brought it to their attention? And in light of what @Purr said, it looks like they've gone that way with no resolution and now they are trying to be more forceful about it. What's wrong with that? People pay too much money to these schools to not be able to exercise some influence on how the schools are run and what they do.

And I could have attacked any of your points just as easily because they were all stupid. You don't seem to understand the concept of a protest or how things can be changed as a result of protests.

I assure you, you couldnt. Im attacking the method by which they want to get a masters program in pan african studies to the university, not the actual fucking program itself. You cant demand any of that shit listed. I dont like this demand shit coming from motherfuckers these days. Thats just me.

You wanna protest for the masters program. You wanna walk around campus and get signatures from students for the masters program. You wanna get prominent black speakers to retweet your movement. You wanna hold open events and discussion on campus for students as to why you feel this program should exist. Im 100 percent behind that. I just find the act these days of making demands online, waiting for your masters approval to be sickeningly boring and lazy.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Id have to do a lot of research to see how cal state chooses its masters programs, but i can assure you its not from demands by students. I assure you theyre not gonna go, "HMMMMM, oh look, they want a masters program in pan african studies. Nooooo problem. Jolly gee, why didnt we think of this. Lets hire someone right now, and get this started".

Its one thing to put forward action, protest, conversation with decision makers to get that done. Another to have the audacity to demand it, as if poof, it can just happen.

Yes, all of those demands were silly. You chose the easiest one to attack.

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense. How would a college even know there was interest in a certain program unless students and other brought it to their attention? And in light of what @Purr said, it looks like they've gone that way with no resolution and now they are trying to be more forceful about it. What's wrong with that? People pay too much money to these schools to not be able to exercise some influence on how the schools are run and what they do.

And I could have attacked any of your points just as easily because they were all stupid. You don't seem to understand the concept of a protest or how things can be changed as a result of protests.

I assure you, you couldnt. Im attacking the method by which they want to get a masters program in pan african studies to the university, not the actual fucking program itself. You cant demand any of that shit listed. I dont like this demand shit coming from motherfuckers these days. Thats just me.

You wanna protest for the masters program. You wanna walk around campus and get signatures from students for the masters program. You wanna get prominent black speakers to retweet your movement. You wanna hold open events and discussion on campus for students as to why you feel this program should exist. Im 100 percent behind that. I just find the act these days of making demands online, waiting for your masters approval to be sickeningly boring and lazy.

Your assumption is that they didn't do any of the things that you're suggesting. Based on @Purr's comments they've done all of that.

 

[Vellum]

After looking into it, this shit was completely misrepresented. It's not segregation at all. It's more or less what @semi-auto-mato was saying.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-housing-cal-state-la--20160906-snap-story.html

Basically the housing unit is set aside for people interested in the problems affecting the black community. It's a themed living space and I'm guessing they will be promoting charity and civil work that can be accomplished towards that end. It's not even limited to black people. Anybody can live there as long as they want to be part of the program.

Sounds like a good idea to me, so I retract my my stance.

Its still kind of the same thing as the original post. Its still housing primarily directed at black students who need a safe space from differing opinions, but technically anyone can join, because segregation is illegal. Latimes is just kind of rewording what was already in the OP. We know this isnt new, but its a new day and age, and people have new criticisms. I mean, there has always been different racial clubs, gender clubs, ect.. at schools across the nation. Which is different than actual dedicated housing. Themed housing must be new within the past decade TOPS, or im woefully ignorant.

We understand why this is a problem though. People naturally already choose bubbles to float through life in. This is normal. The college experience should aim to challenge and break some of that bubble experience down though. When youre basically waking up in a bubble, quickly going through the outside world (classes, food, ect..), and then back to your bubble as a young person, youre not going to be a well adjusted adult in the coming years.

Lemme breathe a second, and show emapthy for the situation. Humans are very tribal, i get this, and historically oppressed groups of people have different perceived necessities than others. That said, having a black club, gay club, asian club, whatever, fine. When you get into themed housing, especially with todays pseudo liberal wannabe activist students on campus, i just personally find that a step backwards in stepping towards america popping this bubble problem we have.

Thats just me though i guess. Also, the demands though. lol

The program isn't about a safe space form different opinions at all. It's more about surrounding students with those who support a similar cause and facilitating their efforts toward that cause. The OP article was just reckless in the way it described it.

The article also mentioned UConn having a similar program and FOXNews attacked UConn previously, but wound up looking stupid when it was revealed what the truth actually was and the fact that the black program wasn't even the first program like that. There were already other special interest housing groups in place.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this and calling it segregation does what they are trying to accomplish a big disservice.

It is about that, otherwise it would not exist. You think that housing is gonna be ground zero for white conservative republicans on campus that think BLM is stupid? No, just like all the other themed houses, theyre essentially safe spaces, worded as an open experience for everyone to join in, even though we know exactly what it will be.

It might be what the school ideally wants, but what it will inevitably turn into is a safe space, where any dissent outside of the dictated intellectual, political, and social norm will not be acceptable. Are we going to pretend like we havent been saying this liberal safe space plague (that i once refused to believe existed, and was just small pockets) rage across america???

The only thing the OP article did different was mention segregation, which immediately when tied to it being black theme housing rises a lot of emotions, as it quickly did in all of us. The core of everything else is still in the OP. Nothing has changed.

What they want is housing where like minds can be, and they can be safe from microaggressions and racially insensitive remarks. Whatever the fuck the latter means. Sounds like microaggressions just reworded. This is coming from their own letter to the president. They also mentioned racist attacks from the staff, students, and professors, but i have no reason to give merit to that. No university would accept that behavior.

I'll just agree to disagree in this thread. Its not going anywhere. America is a racist cesspool, youre all severely oppressed by white supremacy to the point that you cant breathe without being called a nigga, you cant get jobs because of racism, the only successful black people are just coons in disguise, all cops are racist pigs, liberal democrats are your best friends, and why should you ever, EVER be discomforted in life.

The bold is the tactic usually used by people who can't really support their argument. Basically you're saying "I'm going to exaggerate your side to absurdity, so when I tap out, it looks like I'm the bigger person." Your stance on this matter is basically contrary to reality at this point, so you trying to make it seem like the opposition is the one being ridiculous is childish.

False. Judging by the detailed opinions ive given in this thread. Clearly im fully intellectually capable of backing myself up until this thread is burned from the internet, and when im wrong, ive admitted it, unlike many others here. I have an hour left online today. I'll gladly keep going back and forth with this until then.

Im not exaggerating anything to absurdity. Point out what this thing is that im exaggerating to absurdity, and i'll unexaggerate the shit, and fully explain to your motherfucking ass what it is that im thinking, and trying to say.

I dont need to tap out from you niggas. Are you serious? LOL.

 

[Vellum]

Id have to do a lot of research to see how cal state chooses its masters programs, but i can assure you its not from demands by students. I assure you theyre not gonna go, "HMMMMM, oh look, they want a masters program in pan african studies. Nooooo problem. Jolly gee, why didnt we think of this. Lets hire someone right now, and get this started".

Its one thing to put forward action, protest, conversation with decision makers to get that done. Another to have the audacity to demand it, as if poof, it can just happen.

Yes, all of those demands were silly. You chose the easiest one to attack.

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense. How would a college even know there was interest in a certain program unless students and other brought it to their attention? And in light of what @Purr said, it looks like they've gone that way with no resolution and now they are trying to be more forceful about it. What's wrong with that? People pay too much money to these schools to not be able to exercise some influence on how the schools are run and what they do.

And I could have attacked any of your points just as easily because they were all stupid. You don't seem to understand the concept of a protest or how things can be changed as a result of protests.

I assure you, you couldnt. Im attacking the method by which they want to get a masters program in pan african studies to the university, not the actual fucking program itself. You cant demand any of that shit listed. I dont like this demand shit coming from motherfuckers these days. Thats just me.

You wanna protest for the masters program. You wanna walk around campus and get signatures from students for the masters program. You wanna get prominent black speakers to retweet your movement. You wanna hold open events and discussion on campus for students as to why you feel this program should exist. Im 100 percent behind that. I just find the act these days of making demands online, waiting for your masters approval to be sickeningly boring and lazy.

Your assumption is that they didn't do any of the things that you're suggesting. Based on @Purr's comments they've done all of that.

Purr is commenting on something i have no reference for. The ending of the bachelors program for pan african studies. Im not denying it happened, but i need references to see what that was all about, and their reasoning for wanting to do such. Unless im to assume they just wanted to do it, cause everything is racist. I tried a quick google, and didnt find anything on it yet.

As for my assumptions in relation to the masters program. If they did do all that, then keep fucking doing it! Laying out a demand isnt going to change that, if the actual leg work isnt working. Then work fucking harder, and put in more leg work until you do get what you feel you need, and or want.

 

[Purr]

CSULA wont. Thats the issue. They tried to dismantle the Bachelors programs for pan african studies.

But we had ppl like cornell west, angela davis, tim wise (ugh) and other prominent political and race theory figures protest the school from taking away the program.

The masters program isnt going to come about because they REALLY do not see a need for it when theres an Lantix and Asian masters program.

That's messed up. Why does having an Asian Masters program preclude the need for a Pan African Masters program? What kinda dumbass logic is that?

lol And why you say "ugh" with Tim Wise? Dude drops a lot of knowledge. He might be white, but at least he acknowledges that he learned everything he speaks on from blacks. You know how it is. Some white people will only believe shit if they hear it from a white mouth, so we need people like him.

Now y'all niggas is mad at students for wanting to feel safe when they're at school. Smh. This cant be life.

Niggas who ain't never enrolled in the school are arguing with alumni about how their school is lmao. Shit is comedy

It's really funny.

And sad

Yall like the idea of black people standing up but dont like the action of black people standing up. Fucking keyboard activists.

So people can't be for "standing up" without disagreeing with why a particular group is standing up or what they are trying to accomplish?

I mean I've retracted and now that I understand it better, I think what they've done is dope, but what you're saying doesn't seem to be a fair sentiment.

Racism and logic never goes hand in hand.

Why would they have a masters program, when they are trying to cut every black studies course. Plus, csula was the first school with black studies in the US. This is why these issues are a big ordeal because of the history.

Sharing a common experience with other black students is beautiful because in fall 15 quarter one professor gave 5 black students all Cs when they all had As on the midterm and Bs on the final.

The school did nothing.

This is why the pan african studies department or the pan african cultural center, which is invaded by a lot of students who are not black, these voices are needed because black students need a voice that can amplify theirs.

Just because KKK is not on school campus wearing their sheets, they are just like you and I, normally dressed people with a hidden agenda. Los Angeles is very racist and anti-black.

The black students are 2.5-3% of the student population. They really do need a safe space to learn and congregate about their experiences.

 

[Purr]

Id have to do a lot of research to see how cal state chooses its masters programs, but i can assure you its not from demands by students. I assure you theyre not gonna go, "HMMMMM, oh look, they want a masters program in pan african studies. Nooooo problem. Jolly gee, why didnt we think of this. Lets hire someone right now, and get this started".

Its one thing to put forward action, protest, conversation with decision makers to get that done. Another to have the audacity to demand it, as if poof, it can just happen.

Yes, all of those demands were silly. You chose the easiest one to attack.

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense. How would a college even know there was interest in a certain program unless students and other brought it to their attention? And in light of what @Purr said, it looks like they've gone that way with no resolution and now they are trying to be more forceful about it. What's wrong with that? People pay too much money to these schools to not be able to exercise some influence on how the schools are run and what they do.

And I could have attacked any of your points just as easily because they were all stupid. You don't seem to understand the concept of a protest or how things can be changed as a result of protests.

I assure you, you couldnt. Im attacking the method by which they want to get a masters program in pan african studies to the university, not the actual fucking program itself. You cant demand any of that shit listed. I dont like this demand shit coming from motherfuckers these days. Thats just me.

You wanna protest for the masters program. You wanna walk around campus and get signatures from students for the masters program. You wanna get prominent black speakers to retweet your movement. You wanna hold open events and discussion on campus for students as to why you feel this program should exist. Im 100 percent behind that. I just find the act these days of making demands online, waiting for your masters approval to be sickeningly boring and lazy.

Your assumption is that they didn't do any of the things that you're suggesting. Based on @Purr's comments they've done all of that.

Purr is commenting on something i have no reference for. The ending of the bachelors program for pan african studies. Im not denying it happened, but i need references to see what that was all about, and their reasoning for wanting to do such. Unless im to assume they just wanted to do it, cause everything is racist. I tried a quick google, and didnt find anything on it yet.

As for my assumptions in relation to the masters program. If they did do all that, then keep fucking doing it! Laying out a demand isnt going to change that, if the actual leg work isnt working. Then work fucking harder, and put in more leg work until you do get what you feel you need, and or want.

You have terrible reading comprehension

 

[The Lonious Monk]

False. Judging by the detailed opinions ive given in this thread. Clearly im fully intellectually capable of backing myself up until this thread is burned from the internet, and when im wrong, ive admitted it, unlike many others here. I have an hour left online today. I'll gladly keep going back and forth with this until then.

Im not exaggerating anything to absurdity. Point out what this thing is that im exaggerating to absurdity, and i'll unexaggerate the shit, and fully explain to your motherfucking ass what it is that im thinking, and trying to say.

I dont need to tap out from you niggas. Are you serious? LOL.

Detailing your opinions doesn't mean anything. Even when people have clarified what the program is, you continue to argue based on your own fabrication of what it is. There is no logic to that. And I specified what was an exaggeration. The bold in the part that I quoted. Nobody is saying anything that you put there. You're just hyperbolizing in an effort to be dismissive.

Purr is commenting on something i have no reference for. The ending of the bachelors program for pan african studies. Im not denying it happened, but i need references to see what that was all about, and their reasoning for wanting to do such. Unless im to assume they just wanted to do it, cause everything is racist. I tried a quick google, and didnt find anything on it yet.

As for my assumptions in relation to the masters program. If they did do all that, then keep fucking doing it! Laying out a demand isnt going to change that, if the actual leg work isnt working. Then work fucking harder, and put in more leg work until you do get what you feel you need, and or want.

Well if you're coming to a point where your lack of knowledge is affecting the credibility of your arguments, the smart thing to do is stop arguing until you've become more informed.

Your whole stance seems to be based on the assumption that because they issued a list of demands that they are no longer doing ground work to make those demands happen. That assumption is baseless and the fact that they asked for housing where everyone that wants to work towards those goals can live together flies in the face of your idea that they are just making demands and leaving it at that.

 

[Vellum]

for anyone curious here are the demands. read it and tell me why they are weak.
http://afrikanblackcoalition.org/20...-state-university-los-angeles-issues-demands/

This is from a year ago. Is this still relevant? It literally says the date in the URL. Also, lmfao at you new niggas thinking you can wish demands into existence. What the fuck is happening right now in America? LOL

What do u mean is it still relevant? That is the letter that started all of this. They made their demands in 2015 and have gone back and forth for a year. New nigga? They are doing exactly what they should be doing. They have a union negotiating on their behalf. That's not new. Read their demands again. They are not asking for shit outta nowhere. They asking for stuff that the school has provided to others. The 30 mil scholarship money aint gonna fly but fuck it demand high and meet in the middle.

Oh, i didnt know this is what started it. I read their demands, theyre still pretty naive, and ridiculous to put it nicely. Im worried about this new wave of liberal leftist morons in college, and fresh out, that are basically acting like fascist, but are mad at trump for the same thing theyre doing.

I'll pick 5 of the 14 out, which is over a third of their demands, which are silly. I could easily toss in a few more, like the aforementioned 30 million dollars.

• WE DEMAND Black scholarships geared to black students who are both athletes and non-athletes. (Vague and general. This means nothing. There are tons of scholorships for black americans, poor americans, ect.. Like what do you want? The federal government to allocate more funds to Cal state, orrrrrr..?)
  
• WE DEMAND the creation of a Master’s program in the Pan African Studies Department. (You cant demand something like that. There is a process to getting such a program created. Otherwise people would demand a call of duty class, since a shit ton of people play it, and would join)
  
• WE DEMAND the hiring of ten tenured track professors in the Pan African Studies Department. We also DEMAND a continuous commitment to the hiring of Black faculty across all academic disciplines. (This is obviously silly, and you cant demand a fucking tenured professor. You work towards tenure. You never get hired, and get that shit off top. Clearly they dont know how this works. I know, my girl is working on her phd right now)
  
• WE DEMAND more Black students hired for on-campus, student assistant, work positions. (Are they applying in the first place? I would probably guess its safe to assume theyre not, or not a lot. You cant demand something that people arent choosing to be involved with in the first place, and just because some black people arent hired for those positions, doesnt mean theyre vetting them based on race)
  
• WE DEMAND CSLA immediately divests ALL its investment holdings (active, passive, direct and indirect) from the private prison corporations of Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group. (ARE YOU SERIOUS!?)
  

Oh, lemme add one more, because this is LOOOLZ

• WE DEMAND first and second year students fulfil a minimum of two ethnic studies courses, with one being a Pan African Studies course, as a graduation requirement. ( You cant force people to take ethnic studies courses. I shouldnt have to point out any further in detail how this is nonsense.
  

None of those demands are silly, WTF are you talking about? And your reasons for why they are silly are stupid. For example, they are perfectly free to demand the creation of a Master's program and the university can respond by putting that process into action.

CSULA wont. Thats the issue. They tried to dismantle the Bachelors programs for pan african studies.

But we had ppl like cornell west, angela davis, tim wise (ugh) and other prominent political and race theory figures protest the school from taking away the program.

The masters program isnt going to come about because they REALLY do not see a need for it when theres an Lantix and Asian masters program.

So i found cal states twitter page for pan african studies, and their very first post in 2009 is about budget cuts across california that would affect ALL ethnic studies programs.

You painted this as some specific attack on pan african studies, when this was a STATE wide budget issue that was going to obviously affect the lesser taken classes like ethnic studies, but the "Program Discontinuance Committee" also wanted to cut CU's journalism school in a 2010 article on huffingtonpost.

Im still gathering info, but it seems this was a state wide budget issue. Not a race one as you seemed to align it to. Feel free to prove me wrong. Also, this is why i go hard on people on this forum. Niggas just say stuff because theyre so use to their dissenters never doing any research.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cu-independent/discontinuance-committee_b_784970.html

Cal State's ethnic studies programs falter in changing times
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/30/local/la-me-college-ethnic-20131031
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/site/ethnic-studies-stress-test-education-california

 

[The Lonious Monk]

CSULA wont. Thats the issue. They tried to dismantle the Bachelors programs for pan african studies.

But we had ppl like cornell west, angela davis, tim wise (ugh) and other prominent political and race theory figures protest the school from taking away the program.

The masters program isnt going to come about because they REALLY do not see a need for it when theres an Lantix and Asian masters program.

That's messed up. Why does having an Asian Masters program preclude the need for a Pan African Masters program? What kinda dumbass logic is that?

lol And why you say "ugh" with Tim Wise? Dude drops a lot of knowledge. He might be white, but at least he acknowledges that he learned everything he speaks on from blacks. You know how it is. Some white people will only believe shit if they hear it from a white mouth, so we need people like him.

Now y'all niggas is mad at students for wanting to feel safe when they're at school. Smh. This cant be life.

Niggas who ain't never enrolled in the school are arguing with alumni about how their school is lmao. Shit is comedy

It's really funny.

And sad

Yall like the idea of black people standing up but dont like the action of black people standing up. Fucking keyboard activists.

So people can't be for "standing up" without disagreeing with why a particular group is standing up or what they are trying to accomplish?

I mean I've retracted and now that I understand it better, I think what they've done is dope, but what you're saying doesn't seem to be a fair sentiment.

Racism and logic never goes hand in hand.

Why would they have a masters program, when they are trying to cut every black studies course. Plus, csula was the first school with black studies in the US. This is why these issues are a big ordeal because of the history.

Sharing a common experience with other black students is beautiful because in fall 15 quarter one professor gave 5 black students all Cs when they all had As on the midterm and Bs on the final.

The school did nothing.

This is why the pan african studies department or the pan african cultural center, which is invaded by a lot of students who are not black, these voices are needed because black students need a voice that can amplify theirs.

Just because KKK is not on school campus wearing their sheets, they are just like you and I, normally dressed people with a hidden agenda. Los Angeles is very racist and anti-black.

The black students are 2.5-3% of the student population. They really do need a safe space to learn and congregate about their experiences.

Wow, that's crazy. Thanks for the insight. I'm not with the safe space shit, but I do agree that with the sentiment you're expressing. Props to them though and hopefully they are successful in their endeavors.

 

[Vellum]

False. Judging by the detailed opinions ive given in this thread. Clearly im fully intellectually capable of backing myself up until this thread is burned from the internet, and when im wrong, ive admitted it, unlike many others here. I have an hour left online today. I'll gladly keep going back and forth with this until then.

Im not exaggerating anything to absurdity. Point out what this thing is that im exaggerating to absurdity, and i'll unexaggerate the shit, and fully explain to your motherfucking ass what it is that im thinking, and trying to say.

I dont need to tap out from you niggas. Are you serious? LOL.

1) Detailing your opinions doesn't mean anything. Even when people have clarified what the program is, you continue to argue based on your own fabrication of what it is. There is no logic to that. And I specified what was an exaggeration. The bold in the part that I quoted. Nobody is saying anything that you put there. You're just hyperbolizing in an effort to be dismissive.

Purr is commenting on something i have no reference for. The ending of the bachelors program for pan african studies. Im not denying it happened, but i need references to see what that was all about, and their reasoning for wanting to do such. Unless im to assume they just wanted to do it, cause everything is racist. I tried a quick google, and didnt find anything on it yet.

As for my assumptions in relation to the masters program. If they did do all that, then keep fucking doing it! Laying out a demand isnt going to change that, if the actual leg work isnt working. Then work fucking harder, and put in more leg work until you do get what you feel you need, and or want.

2) Well if you're coming to a point where your lack of knowledge is affecting the credibility of your arguments, the smart thing to do is stop arguing until you've become more informed.

Your whole stance seems to be based on the assumption that because they issued a list of demands that they are no longer doing ground work to make those demands happen. That assumption is baseless and the fact that they asked for housing where everyone that wants to work towards those goals can live together flies in the face of your idea that they are just making demands and leaving it at that.

1) Youre talking about my bolded shit about why i'll agree to disagree? Man, im not gonna waste time debating that shit here. Take it how you want. Focus on the issues at hand, rather than some hyperbolic exit statement from an idiotic thread.

The program was already clarified in the OP. Im telling you that your article is just reworded without the word segregation, and you are magically pretending it is not. The op literally says almost the exact same shit. That its housing dedicated to black students, but anyone can join, trying to avoid microaggressions and racial insensitivity, yada yada.

You can read yes? Then read the OP, then read your L.A Times article, and realize that minus a few verbiage changes, they are the saying the same thing. Nothing has changed but a softening of the message through a new article.

2) Well ive already resolved that through my post above, because i quickly did the research. Attacking my ability to be humble at a time where i lack information is stupid. At least im admitting im not aware of what it is she is speaking on, rather than speaking on it like i know.

My whole stance this entire thread has never been about the demands. Thats a new thing im attacking, but my assumption is that yes, there is no, or not enough ground work being done for the things that may be attainable, and the rest of their demands are fucking stupid.

YES, CAL STATE CAN JUST HIRE PROFESSORS AND IMMEDIATELY TENURE THEM FOR COLLEGE COURSES THAT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY NOT TAKING. MAGIC! You know there are professors right now at cal state that have been there years and are not tenured? You dont just magically get tenure, and they dont just give it out willy nilly.

As stated in my post and article, it appears that the attack on pan african studies was not direct, but a state budget issue, that of course is only to attack black people, and has nothing to do with economics. Ethnic study classes are already courses people arent jumping to take. Nor are they jumping to get degrees in them, since they are harder to apply in the real world to get a real job. This is fact!

 

[Vellum]

CSULA wont. Thats the issue. They tried to dismantle the Bachelors programs for pan african studies.

But we had ppl like cornell west, angela davis, tim wise (ugh) and other prominent political and race theory figures protest the school from taking away the program.

The masters program isnt going to come about because they REALLY do not see a need for it when theres an Lantix and Asian masters program.

That's messed up. Why does having an Asian Masters program preclude the need for a Pan African Masters program? What kinda dumbass logic is that?

lol And why you say "ugh" with Tim Wise? Dude drops a lot of knowledge. He might be white, but at least he acknowledges that he learned everything he speaks on from blacks. You know how it is. Some white people will only believe shit if they hear it from a white mouth, so we need people like him.

Now y'all niggas is mad at students for wanting to feel safe when they're at school. Smh. This cant be life.

Niggas who ain't never enrolled in the school are arguing with alumni about how their school is lmao. Shit is comedy

It's really funny.

And sad

Yall like the idea of black people standing up but dont like the action of black people standing up. Fucking keyboard activists.

So people can't be for "standing up" without disagreeing with why a particular group is standing up or what they are trying to accomplish?

I mean I've retracted and now that I understand it better, I think what they've done is dope, but what you're saying doesn't seem to be a fair sentiment.

Racism and logic never goes hand in hand.

Why would they have a masters program, when they are trying to cut every black studies course. Plus, csula was the first school with black studies in the US. This is why these issues are a big ordeal because of the history.

Sharing a common experience with other black students is beautiful because in fall 15 quarter one professor gave 5 black students all Cs when they all had As on the midterm and Bs on the final.

The school did nothing.

This is why the pan african studies department or the pan african cultural center, which is invaded by a lot of students who are not black, these voices are needed because black students need a voice that can amplify theirs.

Just because KKK is not on school campus wearing their sheets, they are just like you and I, normally dressed people with a hidden agenda. Los Angeles is very racist and anti-black.

The black students are 2.5-3% of the student population. They really do need a safe space to learn and congregate about their experiences.

Agree with most of that to an extent, but getting a C overall, even though you got A's on your midterm and B's on the final literally means nothing.

As you very well know, professors and classes arent created equally. Grading far from created equally. Like i said, my girl is working on her phd now, im done with that chapter in my life (college, not phd. lol), and ive seen how these professors are grading shit all wonky at times. Thats not a sign of racism though, nor is it a sign of sexism for her, even though she tries to make it out to be at times until she comes back to reality that shes just under performing at the moment.

You cant get a C if you didnt earn a C. You cant just get all A's and B's on homework, test, and the like, and then just get a C. There are professors that refuse to give A's, regardless of race. My girl had one, but thats rare, and usually based on the urban legends from under achieving grad students.

But like i said, i agree with the rest. Ive lived in san deigo. California doesnt have overt racism that much in the main areas you would fuck with. Its a very covert prejudice, with some pings of straight up racism. This idea though that its all vegan, hippy life is not fully true at all. Never had any race issues in san diego (edit. oh wait, one, but the lady was a legit crazy person), but at one point it hosted a large chapter of the KKK just 25 minutes from La Jolla. That no longer exist, but just tells you the history of cali not being all beaches, progressiveness, and surfing.

 

[Purr]

CSULA wont. Thats the issue. They tried to dismantle the Bachelors programs for pan african studies.

But we had ppl like cornell west, angela davis, tim wise (ugh) and other prominent political and race theory figures protest the school from taking away the program.

The masters program isnt going to come about because they REALLY do not see a need for it when theres an Lantix and Asian masters program.

That's messed up. Why does having an Asian Masters program preclude the need for a Pan African Masters program? What kinda dumbass logic is that?

lol And why you say "ugh" with Tim Wise? Dude drops a lot of knowledge. He might be white, but at least he acknowledges that he learned everything he speaks on from blacks. You know how it is. Some white people will only believe shit if they hear it from a white mouth, so we need people like him.

Now y'all niggas is mad at students for wanting to feel safe when they're at school. Smh. This cant be life.

Niggas who ain't never enrolled in the school are arguing with alumni about how their school is lmao. Shit is comedy

It's really funny.

And sad

Yall like the idea of black people standing up but dont like the action of black people standing up. Fucking keyboard activists.

So people can't be for "standing up" without disagreeing with why a particular group is standing up or what they are trying to accomplish?

I mean I've retracted and now that I understand it better, I think what they've done is dope, but what you're saying doesn't seem to be a fair sentiment.

Racism and logic never goes hand in hand.

Why would they have a masters program, when they are trying to cut every black studies course. Plus, csula was the first school with black studies in the US. This is why these issues are a big ordeal because of the history.

Sharing a common experience with other black students is beautiful because in fall 15 quarter one professor gave 5 black students all Cs when they all had As on the midterm and Bs on the final.

The school did nothing.

This is why the pan african studies department or the pan african cultural center, which is invaded by a lot of students who are not black, these voices are needed because black students need a voice that can amplify theirs.

Just because KKK is not on school campus wearing their sheets, they are just like you and I, normally dressed people with a hidden agenda. Los Angeles is very racist and anti-black.

The black students are 2.5-3% of the student population. They really do need a safe space to learn and congregate about their experiences.

Agree with most of that to an extent, but getting a C overall, even though you got A's on your midterm and B's on the final literally means nothing.

As you very well know, professors and classes arent created equally. Grading far from created equally. Like i said, my girl is working on her phd now, im done with that chapter in my life (college, not phd. lol), and ive seen how these professors are grading shit all wonky at times. Thats not a sign of racism though, nor is it a sign of sexism for her, even though she tries to make it out to be at times until she comes back to reality that shes just under performing at the moment.

You cant get a C if you didnt earn a C. You cant just get all A's and B's on homework, test, and the like, and then just get a C. There are professors that refuse to give A's, regardless of race. My girl had one, but thats rare, and usually based on the urban legends from under achieving grad students.

But like i said, i agree with the rest. Ive lived in san deigo. California doesnt have overt racism that much in the main areas you would fuck with. Its a very covert prejudice, with some pings of straight up racism. This idea though that its all vegan, hippy life is not fully true at all. Never had any race issues in san diego, but at one point it hosted a large chapter of the KKK just 25 minutes from La Jolla. That no longer exist, but just tells you the history of cali not being all beaches, progressiveness, and surfing.

Grades are based on simple math. Stop the titangraphs.