Better rapper Vol. 32: Ghostface or Jay-Z

[ericb4prez]

RD is the most overrated album of all time that nigga had to drop it again after he was gaining notoriety and brainwash yall into thinking it was a classic

 

[Kalecrunch]

RD is the most overrated album of all time that nigga had to drop it again after he was gaining notoriety and brainwash yall into thinking it was a classic

Is Ilmatic overated too? By that logic Illmatic is overated. Crazy both didn't even go Gold when they came out, both Reissued. Fuccouttahea with that. Lol

 

[drsnappple]

RD is the most overrated album of all time that nigga had to drop it again after he was gaining notoriety and brainwash yall into thinking it was a classic

C/S This whole thread is the most overrated rapper in hip hop vs. the most underrated.

 

[Kalecrunch]

Jay Z's success leaves him underated and underated too. I've seen the same shit happen to Nas n Em. What commercially successful rapper with lyrics gets no hate in the IC.

 

[THIRDSUPREME]

Ghost is on 15 tracks on OB4CL

His name is on The front... when you talk about classics give that man his due. Only a nigga that don't really know whats going on would do otherwise.

 

[Kalecrunch]

Ghost is on 15 tracks on OB4CL

His name is on The front... when you talk about classics give that man his due. Only a nigga that don't really know whats going on would do otherwise.

Now we're borrowing other cats LP's Ghost does't need any help he has solid solo LPs. They just don't add up to Hov's total work.

 

[Me1971]

Lol at using the same type of delivery on track, if anything his flows and delivery is his strong point.

Well I've never really understood that. To me his strongest point is his lyricism. He makes spitting clever shit sound so easy. He's definitely one of if not the best in the game at that. His flow and delivery have never been that impressive to me. They get the job done, but like I said, I've never heard him just rip a track like Ghost did in Tony Montana. I've never thought his flow and delivery were all that varied, but hey if I'm wrong. Post tracks where he used flows that were vastly different and not just different due to the beat. Post tracks where he switched his flow two or three times in the same song just to keep it interesting.

And these are tracks with diverse flows where he's bodying a song.





This is a rare song with him Nore and Cam that he killed lyrically and flow wise.

 

[ohhhla]

To that dumbass nigga that said Ghostface isn't seeing Method Man.

Explain that

 

[ericb4prez]

RD is the most overrated album of all time that nigga had to drop it again after he was gaining notoriety and brainwash yall into thinking it was a classic

Is Ilmatic overated too? By that logic Illmatic is overated. Crazy both didn't even go Gold when they came out, both Reissued. Fuccouttahea with that. Lol

this isnt about nas its about hov out here trying to jack camp lo swag with the smooth playa shit and ski beatz on the production

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Jay Z Reasonable Doubt Critical Acclaim .

Professional ratings

Review scores

Allmusic [26] ***** 5 stars

Billboard favorable [27]

Robert Christgau A− [28]

CMJ favorable [29]

Entertainment Weekly B+ [30]

IGN 7.8/10 [31]

Los Angeles Daily News 3out of 4 stars

Rolling Stone 5 stars

The Source 5 mics

XXL (XXL) [35]

The album was well received by music critics upon its release.

Let's go Lp for LP based on critic ratings. On meta critic.com which compiles music critic ratings for each LP . Jay gotem. Then I can shut this thread down.

lol This has to be the stupidest suggestion for settling this debate ever, but...

Jay-Z

MCHG: Critic - 59 User -5.7

BP3: Critic - 65 User - 7.2

AG: Critic - 83 User - 8.4

KC: Critic - 67 User6.9

BA: Critic - 84 User - 8.7

BP2: Critic - 64 User - 7.7

BP: Critic - 64 User - 8.8

Avg - Critic - 73 User - 7.6

Ghostface

12RtD: Critic - 78 User - 7.8

AK: Critic - 84 User - 8

G:WoP: Critic - 68 User - 8.4

BDR: Critic - 77 User - 8.3

MF: Critic - 77 User - 8.9

FS: Critic - 88 User - 8.8

PT: Critic - 84 User - 8

Avg: Critic 77 User - 8.3

So uhhhh does this mean Ghostface wins by a mile?

How but including Jay's Most Important work. You know like Reasonable Doubt. Dynasty LP (crowned by the IC as best intro song in Rap ever. In My Lifetime volumes . Don't leave out that.

Hey those are the only albums metacritic had? I just took your suggestion and threw it back at you. Besides, you dudes are failing to acknowledge that Ghostface has albums missing too: Ironman, Supreme Clientele, and Bulletproof Wallets. In other words, his two best albums and one of his better albums aren't on the list. And if we are going to include the Dynasty LP which was a group album, you'd have to throw in the Wu-tang albums too. So no matter how you look at it, Ghostface comes out on top.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. I didn't say Reasonable Doubt wasn't well received. It's the only album of Jay's I even own, so of course I think it's good. My point was that Ghost's most critically acclaimed albums are Ironman and Supreme Clientele. Neither of those albums were included in the list either, so you can put all the missing albums there and it won't change anything. Ghost's catalog will still come out as being better rated than Jay's both by the critics and the general metacritic users.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

First for the assist....

Lol at using the same type of delivery on track, if anything his flows and delivery is his strong point.

Well I've never really understood that. To me his strongest point is his lyricism. He makes spitting clever shit sound so easy. He's definitely one of if not the best in the game at that. His flow and delivery have never been that impressive to me. They get the job done, but like I said, I've never heard him just rip a track like Ghost did in Tony Montana. I've never thought his flow and delivery were all that varied, but hey if I'm wrong. Post tracks where he used flows that were vastly different and not just different due to the beat. Post tracks where he switched his flow two or three times in the same song just to keep it interesting.

And these are tracks with diverse flows where he's bodying a song.





This is a rare song with him Nore and Cam that he killed lyrically and flow wise.

In response, I'm not really impressed. He can flow. I'm not denying that, but his flow isn't all that dynamic. I think a lot of MCs have better and more dynamic flows than Jay.

 

[Me1971]

First for the assist....

Lol at using the same type of delivery on track, if anything his flows and delivery is his strong point.

Well I've never really understood that. To me his strongest point is his lyricism. He makes spitting clever shit sound so easy. He's definitely one of if not the best in the game at that. His flow and delivery have never been that impressive to me. They get the job done, but like I said, I've never heard him just rip a track like Ghost did in Tony Montana. I've never thought his flow and delivery were all that varied, but hey if I'm wrong. Post tracks where he used flows that were vastly different and not just different due to the beat. Post tracks where he switched his flow two or three times in the same song just to keep it interesting.

And these are tracks with diverse flows where he's bodying a song.





This is a rare song with him Nore and Cam that he killed lyrically and flow wise.

In response, I'm not really impressed. He can flow. I'm not denying that, but his flow isn't all that dynamic. I think a lot of MCs have better and more dynamic flows than Jay.

I agree that his delivery isn't the most dynamic, it probably wouldn't sound right with his shrill voice. Similar to how Mase and Cam sounded like a damn fools when they used the rough deliverieswith Children of the Corn. Some people's voices are just better suited for certain styles. I believe that's why Jay was overlooked at times (skill wise) over artist like Big.....his delivery didn't demand as much attention even though he was saying alot of ill, clever, and intricate things.

 

[Me1971]

*also* I think his flow and delivery work for him, but I know some people may get bored by it and prefer more dynamic voices.

 

[Me1971]

I can't edit post on mobile all hip hop, so I'm going to have to keep making new post instead editing previous post lol. I forgot to mention that the What We Talking About track is an example him using multiple flows in one song.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Yeah, I mean if you love Jay's flow, he doesn't have to change it up for you to like what he does. I prefer a little more versatility in delivery though. That's why Big Boi is one of my favorite rappers. He might change up how he spits three times in the same verse and it comes off sounding tight. To me that's impressive.

 

[Me1971]

Yeah, I mean if you love Jay's flow, he doesn't have to change it up for you to like what he does. I prefer a little more versatility in delivery though. That's why Big Boi is one of my favorite rappers. He might change up how he spits three times in the same verse and it comes off sounding tight. To me that's impressive.

Word. I respect your opinion.

 

[Kalecrunch]

EstJay Z has the kost bitten flows in rap bsides Pac. He constantly switches up. Pre RD he can spit fast and CLEAR same with Big Pimpin rekix, " Is That Your Bitch", Jigga what' too. battle songs n disses. THE MASTER of the Double Entendre. (Lupe gives him a run) . Kills all types of regional beats

Ghost stays with mostly wu type beats, soul sample loops which is a good thing, and r and b guest spots.

Jay is even spits on west coast beats see Change The Game prod by Daz. And Ghost is more dynamic? Huh?

 

[Me1971]

EstJay Z has the kost bitten flows in rap bsides Pac. He constantly switches up. Pre RD he can spit fast and CLEAR same with Big Pimpin rekix, " Is That Your Bitch", Jigga what' too. battle songs n disses. THE MASTER of the Double Entendre. (Lupe gives him a run) . Kills all types of regional beats

Ghost stays with mostly wu type beats, soul sample loops which is a good thing, and r and b guest spots.

Jay is even spits on west coast beats see Change The Game prod by Daz. And Ghost is more dynamic? Huh?

As a hip hop nerd, I have to correct the Change the Game error lol. Rick Rock produced that. Same cat who did Can't Deny It for Fab.

 

[usmarin3]

LOL at this thread, why don't you stans ride this hard at the record store for Ghostface

 

[rip.dilla]

LOL aliases coming out the woodwork to cape for Jigga .. .

Typical