Battle Thread: Odin vs Trigon

[DarkRaiden]

lol Trigon struggling with Darkseid. Nah. Trigon's presence beat the JLA, who beat Darkseid comfortably. Trigon's too powerful, he's universal in scale. Galactus is barely galaxy+ level. Ultimate Nullifier is cool and all, but it's not really Galactus's power as if he had such power....he'd never go hungry again. But he does. If he had such power, Tenebrous and Aegis or w/e wouldn't lay the smack down on him.

Plus if we talking shitting bricks, Strange handled Galactus with ease and was scared to death to fight Shuma possessing the Ancient One. When Shuma was absorbed, his presence was destroying Galaxies while Galactus has to try to destroy star systems. But enough about Shuma.

Trigon's just.....well he was essentially unbeatable in all ways. He loses on plot/his daughter and that alone. He's an all out multiversal threat type nigga. And btw Galactus would get smacked down if he tried to take over Earth nonetheless a universe. Stop playing. He still can't beat Franklin Richards, Scarlet Witch, Mad Jim Jaspers, Legion, Dr. Doom, this nigga Gaalactus ain't doing shit. Not to mention Death, Eternity, Protege (if he's still around), all above him by far. Hell he stalemated 1 Vishanti. All 3 couldn't beat Shuma.

The Ultimate Nullifier is Galactus' power. That's why he was able to summon it to himself when he was resurrected even though Abraxus had it at the time. And how is Galactus barely galaxy+ level when he and Tyrant destroyed multiple galaxies as collateral damage of their fight.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Galactus is constantly hungry because that's his purpose. It has no bearing on his power at all. Tenebrous and Aegis were primordial gods. They are only slightly lower than a reasonably fed Galactus and it took both of them to beat Galactus. I'm not sure where you get that Galactus has to "try" to destroy a star system when as recently as Annihilation he destroyed multiple star systems simply by letting out a temper tantrum.

And it's laughable that you throw up the plot card in defense of Trigon, but mention Strange beating Galactus despite the fact that he only did it because a) the Galactus is hungry and weakened plot device was in effect, and b) Strange game up with a DEM spell that made Galactus feel the pain of all his victims. Lastly, you completely abandoned your logic by saying Trigon > Galactus because Trigon took over DC Earth but Galactus can't take over Marvel Earth. Or that Trigon > Galactus because there are stronger Cosmics than Galactus in Marvel. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make anymore.

That's my point, at his best, he's reached galaxy level. That's it. And that was supposedly full power Galactus. usually he's solar system level. And yeah the annihilation thing was what I was talking about. Whether people admit it or not, throwing a temper tantrum is putting some considerable effort into an attack. And all he did was destroy Star Systems.

I don't think you understand my post though nigga. Dude said Galactus is universal+ and can take over universes, I just said why he couldn't, Tenebrous and Aegis, Eternity, and more. I also pointed out how he can't take over Earth and thus not the universe. That wasn't the argument for Trigon, that was side shit. Keep up.

Now does Marvel have stronger cosmics? Not sure. DC has Spectre, 5th dimensional imps, The Endless, random people like Imperiex and Anti-Monitor, so who knows for real. No Trigon is more powerful because when he entered earth, EVERYONE was immediately killed. He's more powerful because he's conquered universes and Galactus has only reached Galaxies. Now Galactus might get close if he takes out the Ultimate Universe, but even then he needed Gah Lak Tus to do so (they fused). That version might be near Trigon, otherwise, nah. Trigon got better feats and even better hype.

And b, Strange beating him was not plot. That was Classic Strange, nigga that beat In-Betweener, nigga that stalemated LT for a time, and nigga that was just time traveling and fighting Cosmics left and right. That shit was just a weak Galactus losing. Plot is when he loses to Avengers or X-men or Fantastic 4 or w/e.

And @evoljeanyes Doom has already absorbed Galactus's powers twice, bitch smacked Surfer with ease, and has the same tech he used before, built into his armor. Galactus can't win, because his energy will be siphoned off, and his powers drained.

Legion has the universe in a box, created his own universe in Age of X, and destroyed the Elder Gods of Limbo who were said to be universal threats. Galactus ain't fucking with a nigga with the universe in a box.

Scarlet Witch meant clearly her HoM version and slightly after it when she was completely warping reality.

Jim Jaspers is at least universal in power (he's literally a Universal Reality Warper) and has been stated that he's and omniversal threat. Far above Galactus. And Galactus has admitted Death can take him and has died before.

No bashing of Galan, you're boosting him about 10 tiers above his paygrade.

Either way, Trigon should stomp Odin into the ground.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

That's my point, at his best, he's reached galaxy level. That's it. And that was supposedly full power Galactus. usually he's solar system level. And yeah the annihilation thing was what I was talking about. Whether people admit it or not, throwing a temper tantrum is putting some considerable effort into an attack. And all he did was destroy Star Systems.

Usually, when someone says a character is "Galaxy Level" or a "Galaxy Buster," they are saying that the character is able to destroy a galaxy when putting forth the effort. Casually destroying multiple galaxies with the excess energy from your battle is more than simply "Galaxy Level." Also, you're simply making shit up when you say Galactus put considerable effort into the attack. There was nothing at all that suggested that. He was basically angry as hell and just flipped his lid. And that was all it took to destroy several star systems and the majority of the Annihilation Wave which was stated to be a universal threat.

I don't think you understand my post though nigga. Dude said Galactus is universal+ and can take over universes, I just said why he couldn't, Tenebrous and Aegis, Eternity, and more. I also pointed out how he can't take over Earth and thus not the universe. That wasn't the argument for Trigon, that was side shit. Keep up.

I fail to see how what you said proves anything. Tenebrous and Aegis being able to gang up on Galactus and beat him doesn't mean he's not a Universal threat. The existence of Eternity and the other Cosmics above Galactus does not mean he's not a Universal threat. The fact that Galactus has access to a power that has already been use to rewrite the Universe and has been stated to be capable of more than that does mean he's a Universal threat.

Now does Marvel have stronger cosmics? Not sure. DC has Spectre, 5th dimensional imps, The Endless, random people like Imperiex and Anti-Monitor, so who knows for real. No Trigon is more powerful because when he entered earth, EVERYONE was immediately killed. He's more powerful because he's conquered universes and Galactus has only reached Galaxies. Now Galactus might get close if he takes out the Ultimate Universe, but even then he needed Gah Lak Tus to do so (they fused). That version might be near Trigon, otherwise, nah. Trigon got better feats and even better hype.

Once again, you use a horrible lapse in logic. Galactus has no interest in conquering universes. He has no desire to destroy universes. All he wants to do is satiate his hunger and perform his universal duty. Even in that, it's been stated that he makes specific effort not to destroy anymore than he absolutely has to. So this silly ass argument you keep making that Trigon is more powerful because he's been more destructive needs to stop. If Galactus wanted to kill everyone on Earth, he could have done that a million times over. Hell, Surfer could easily do that. The point is that is not their goal.

And b, Strange beating him was not plot. That was Classic Strange, nigga that beat In-Betweener, nigga that stalemated LT for a time, and nigga that was just time traveling and fighting Cosmics left and right. That shit was just a weak Galactus losing. Plot is when he loses to Avengers or X-men or Fantastic 4 or w/e.

Galactus being "weakened due to hunger" when facing Strange is using a plot device. And Strange and his standard DEM methods of beating people way out of his league are plot devices. Plot doesn't have anything to do with who beats a character. It's all about how they beat that character.

 

[evoljeanyes]

lol Trigon struggling with Darkseid. Nah. Trigon's presence beat the JLA, who beat Darkseid comfortably. Trigon's too powerful, he's universal in scale. Galactus is barely galaxy+ level. Ultimate Nullifier is cool and all, but it's not really Galactus's power as if he had such power....he'd never go hungry again. But he does. If he had such power, Tenebrous and Aegis or w/e wouldn't lay the smack down on him.

Plus if we talking shitting bricks, Strange handled Galactus with ease and was scared to death to fight Shuma possessing the Ancient One. When Shuma was absorbed, his presence was destroying Galaxies while Galactus has to try to destroy star systems. But enough about Shuma.

Trigon's just.....well he was essentially unbeatable in all ways. He loses on plot/his daughter and that alone. He's an all out multiversal threat type nigga. And btw Galactus would get smacked down if he tried to take over Earth nonetheless a universe. Stop playing. He still can't beat Franklin Richards, Scarlet Witch, Mad Jim Jaspers, Legion, Dr. Doom, this nigga Gaalactus ain't doing shit. Not to mention Death, Eternity, Protege (if he's still around), all above him by far. Hell he stalemated 1 Vishanti. All 3 couldn't beat Shuma.

The Ultimate Nullifier is Galactus' power. That's why he was able to summon it to himself when he was resurrected even though Abraxus had it at the time. And how is Galactus barely galaxy+ level when he and Tyrant destroyed multiple galaxies as collateral damage of their fight.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Galactus is constantly hungry because that's his purpose. It has no bearing on his power at all. Tenebrous and Aegis were primordial gods. They are only slightly lower than a reasonably fed Galactus and it took both of them to beat Galactus. I'm not sure where you get that Galactus has to "try" to destroy a star system when as recently as Annihilation he destroyed multiple star systems simply by letting out a temper tantrum.

And it's laughable that you throw up the plot card in defense of Trigon, but mention Strange beating Galactus despite the fact that he only did it because a) the Galactus is hungry and weakened plot device was in effect, and b) Strange game up with a DEM spell that made Galactus feel the pain of all his victims. Lastly, you completely abandoned your logic by saying Trigon > Galactus because Trigon took over DC Earth but Galactus can't take over Marvel Earth. Or that Trigon > Galactus because there are stronger Cosmics than Galactus in Marvel. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make anymore.

That's my point, at his best, he's reached galaxy level. That's it. And that was supposedly full power Galactus. usually he's solar system level. And yeah the annihilation thing was what I was talking about. Whether people admit it or not, throwing a temper tantrum is putting some considerable effort into an attack. And all he did was destroy Star Systems.

I don't think you understand my post though nigga. Dude said Galactus is universal+ and can take over universes, I just said why he couldn't, Tenebrous and Aegis, Eternity, and more. I also pointed out how he can't take over Earth and thus not the universe. That wasn't the argument for Trigon, that was side shit. Keep up.

Now does Marvel have stronger cosmics? Not sure. DC has Spectre, 5th dimensional imps, The Endless, random people like Imperiex and Anti-Monitor, so who knows for real. No Trigon is more powerful because when he entered earth, EVERYONE was immediately killed. He's more powerful because he's conquered universes and Galactus has only reached Galaxies. Now Galactus might get close if he takes out the Ultimate Universe, but even then he needed Gah Lak Tus to do so (they fused). That version might be near Trigon, otherwise, nah. Trigon got better feats and even better hype.

And b, Strange beating him was not plot. That was Classic Strange, nigga that beat In-Betweener, nigga that stalemated LT for a time, and nigga that was just time traveling and fighting Cosmics left and right. That shit was just a weak Galactus losing. Plot is when he loses to Avengers or X-men or Fantastic 4 or w/e.

And @evoljeanyes Doom has already absorbed Galactus's powers twice, bitch smacked Surfer with ease, and has the same tech he used before, built into his armor. Galactus can't win, because his energy will be siphoned off, and his powers drained.

Legion has the universe in a box, created his own universe in Age of X, and destroyed the Elder Gods of Limbo who were said to be universal threats. Galactus ain't fucking with a nigga with the universe in a box.

Scarlet Witch meant clearly her HoM version and slightly after it when she was completely warping reality.

Jim Jaspers is at least universal in power (he's literally a Universal Reality Warper) and has been stated that he's and omniversal threat. Far above Galactus. And Galactus has admitted Death can take him and has died before.

No bashing of Galan, you're boosting him about 10 tiers above his paygrade.

Either way, Trigon should stomp Odin into the ground.

Nigga doom absorbed powers from bis ship you non comic book reading ass Nigga. He didn't take Galactus's power. Galactus still had his powers. And Doom admitted to being overwhelmed by the magnitude of the power. Jim Jasper's can't warp Galactus. Stop using shit like Universal or omniversal threat to decide who can beat who. Scarlet Witch is a peon. Relax. Galactus is used to show the ascension of humanity amongst the cosmos. He is remarkably important. He is a necessity. Not a god a necessity! You gotta start reading!

 

[jaxn]

lol Trigon struggling with Darkseid. Nah. Trigon's presence beat the JLA, who beat Darkseid comfortably.

um, Odin would casually defeat the JLA and Darkseid.

Trigon's too powerful, he's universal in scale. Galactus is barely galaxy+ level. Ultimate Nullifier is cool and all, but it's not really Galactus's power as if he had such power....he'd never go hungry again. But he does. If he had such power, Tenebrous and Aegis or w/e wouldn't lay the smack down on him.

barely galaxy level? Do you know anything about Galactus? the UN is Galactus' power..it's an extension of him. His hunger has nothing to do with power. His role in the universe is to bring balance, thus he needs to feed. T&A ganged up on a weakened Galactus..guess what happened eons ago when ALL of the primordial Gods were around fighting a fully fed Galactus? Galactus defeated them all and the ones he left alive he placed into containment. Galactus is >>>> Primoridal Gods

Plus if we talking shitting bricks, Strange handled Galactus with ease and was scared to death to fight Shuma possessing the Ancient One. When Shuma was absorbed, his presence was destroying Galaxies while Galactus has to try to destroy star systems. But enough about Shuma.

Galactus doesn't have to "try" to destory a solar system. When you wake up angry and let off a blast that decimates a universal fleet, destroys solar systems, as well as casually destroying a Watcher, I'd say you're operating with power that's far about solar system destroying level...

Trigon's just.....well he was essentially unbeatable in all ways. He loses on plot/his daughter and that alone. He's an all out multiversal threat type nigga. And btw Galactus would get smacked down if he tried to take over Earth nonetheless a universe.

How do you come to the conclusion that he would get smack down? The only person on Earth who can stop him is Franklin. Other instances are plot induced stupidity unless you think the Marvel U can go on without an actual Earth for the heroes to live on.

Stop playing. He still can't beat Franklin Richards,

of course not, but then again, neither can Trigon. Franklin is a Celestial level reality warper

Scarlet Witch, Mad Jim Jaspers, Legion, Dr. Doom, this nigga Gaalactus ain't doing shit.

these guys aren't even a blip on Galactus' radar..He literally would not even notice them if they were in the act of attacking him

Not to mention Death, Eternity, Protege (if he's still around), all above him by far. Hell he stalemated 1 Vishanti. All 3 couldn't beat Shuma.

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who said they are far above him in power? Where are you getting this information? Besides why would Galactus fight his siblings? you do know that Eternity/Death/Galactus have a father/son/daughter/brother/sister relationship right? They are essential for the survival of the universe

 

[jaxn]

lol Trigon struggling with Darkseid. Nah. Trigon's presence beat the JLA, who beat Darkseid comfortably. Trigon's too powerful, he's universal in scale. Galactus is barely galaxy+ level. Ultimate Nullifier is cool and all, but it's not really Galactus's power as if he had such power....he'd never go hungry again. But he does. If he had such power, Tenebrous and Aegis or w/e wouldn't lay the smack down on him.

Plus if we talking shitting bricks, Strange handled Galactus with ease and was scared to death to fight Shuma possessing the Ancient One. When Shuma was absorbed, his presence was destroying Galaxies while Galactus has to try to destroy star systems. But enough about Shuma.

Trigon's just.....well he was essentially unbeatable in all ways. He loses on plot/his daughter and that alone. He's an all out multiversal threat type nigga. And btw Galactus would get smacked down if he tried to take over Earth nonetheless a universe. Stop playing. He still can't beat Franklin Richards, Scarlet Witch, Mad Jim Jaspers, Legion, Dr. Doom, this nigga Gaalactus ain't doing shit. Not to mention Death, Eternity, Protege (if he's still around), all above him by far. Hell he stalemated 1 Vishanti. All 3 couldn't beat Shuma.

The Ultimate Nullifier is Galactus' power. That's why he was able to summon it to himself when he was resurrected even though Abraxus had it at the time. And how is Galactus barely galaxy+ level when he and Tyrant destroyed multiple galaxies as collateral damage of their fight.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Galactus is constantly hungry because that's his purpose. It has no bearing on his power at all. Tenebrous and Aegis were primordial gods. They are only slightly lower than a reasonably fed Galactus and it took both of them to beat Galactus. I'm not sure where you get that Galactus has to "try" to destroy a star system when as recently as Annihilation he destroyed multiple star systems simply by letting out a temper tantrum.

And it's laughable that you throw up the plot card in defense of Trigon, but mention Strange beating Galactus despite the fact that he only did it because a) the Galactus is hungry and weakened plot device was in effect, and b) Strange game up with a DEM spell that made Galactus feel the pain of all his victims. Lastly, you completely abandoned your logic by saying Trigon > Galactus because Trigon took over DC Earth but Galactus can't take over Marvel Earth. Or that Trigon > Galactus because there are stronger Cosmics than Galactus in Marvel. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make anymore.

That's my point, at his best, he's reached galaxy level. That's it. And that was supposedly full power Galactus. usually he's solar system level. And yeah the annihilation thing was what I was talking about. Whether people admit it or not, throwing a temper tantrum is putting some considerable effort into an attack. And all he did was destroy Star Systems.

Galactus has destroyed multiple galaxies fighting his son Tyrant..so again where are you getting your info from? No, there wasn't any considerable effort..Galactus was imprisoned by T&A..when he was freed by Surfer he unleashed a casual omniversal blast..then got up and walked off. He had absolutely no concern about Annihilus because he was nothing to him. His only concern was for T&A..again, he has no desire to destroy the universe for the hell of it..then what would he eat?

Your logic is illogical.

I don't think you understand my post though nigga. Dude said Galactus is universal+ and can take over universes, I just said why he couldn't, Tenebrous and Aegis, Eternity, and more. I also pointed out how he can't take over Earth and thus not the universe. That wasn't the argument for Trigon, that was side shit. Keep up.

this post right here makes it clear you know very little about Galactus. You do realize that T&A were destroyed by the Silver Surfer right? The same Surfer who is nothing more than a gnat to Galactus. I'm still trying to understand what Eternity has to do with anything. He doesn't give a shit if Galactus wants to take over or not..the only person who would care is the LT..lol at Galactus not being able to take over the Earth, when his heralds can..

Now does Marvel have stronger cosmics? Not sure. DC has Spectre, 5th dimensional imps, The Endless, random people like Imperiex and Anti-Monitor, so who knows for real. No Trigon is more powerful because when he entered earth, EVERYONE was immediately killed.

so why are there still people living on Earth

He's more powerful because he's conquered universes and Galactus has only reached Galaxies.

these arguments are as illogical here as they were in the dbz thread. Galactus has NO DESIRE to take over universes..He's not an evil maniac bent on the destruction of mankind. He's a FORCE of the UNIVERSE/MULTIVERSE. His role is to bring BALANCE.

Now Galactus might get close if he takes out the Ultimate Universe, but even then he needed Gah Lak Tus to do so (they fused). That version might be near Trigon, otherwise, nah. Trigon got better feats and even better hype.

he needed the swarm? Did you read that issue? The swarm came to him and there was nothing it could do but merge with him, considering the 616 Galactus is the one true one. There are Galactus' throughout the multiverse..but only one true Galactus..this was discussed in the Abraxas issue..The swarmed merged with its master

And b, Strange beating him was not plot. That was Classic Strange, nigga that beat In-Betweener, nigga that stalemated LT for a time, and nigga that was just time traveling and fighting Cosmics left and right. That shit was just a weak Galactus losing. Plot is when he loses to Avengers or X-men or Fantastic 4 or w/e.

Do you not understand PIS or CIS? Strange beating anyone on this level is for the purposes of the story, unless you think Strange is walking around with all of that power on a regular basis..let me assure you, he's not.

And @evoljeanyes Doom has already absorbed Galactus's powers twice, bitch smacked Surfer with ease, and has the same tech he used before, built into his armor. Galactus can't win, because his energy will be siphoned off, and his powers drained.

your argument is all over the place. Are you talking about when Doom absorbed Surfer's power? Or during the Beyonder saga?

Legion has the universe in a box, created his own universe in Age of X, and destroyed the Elder Gods of Limbo who were said to be universal threats. Galactus ain't fucking with a nigga with the universe in a box.

and Franklin created a universe complete with cosmics and heralds, in a ball and kept the ball in his pocket..he did this as a kid..your point? I'm not quite sure Legacy is on the level of Franklin

Scarlet Witch meant clearly her HoM version and slightly after it when she was completely warping reality.

and yet she still can't fuck with Galactus..

Jim Jaspers is at least universal in power (he's literally a Universal Reality Warper) and has been stated that he's and omniversal threat. Far above Galactus. And Galactus has admitted Death can take him and has died before.

bwahahahahahahahahaha. JJ isn't more powerful than Franklin. JJ isn't more powerful than Galactus. Well, Death is you know Death..she takes EVERYONE when its time

No bashing of Galan, you're boosting him about 10 tiers above his paygrade.

more like you have no idea what you're talking about but hey its all in fun

Either way, Trigon should stomp Odin into the ground.

sure, if he can get by those pesky teen titans

 

[DarkRaiden]

The Lonious, Galactus's max capacity for destruction, ever in his life, was Galaxy level. You say he's not interested in destroying universes, but that's literally exactly what he's doing right now against the Ultimate Universe. So you're wrong. If he could consume entire Universes as Trigon did, he would as it'd sate his hunger for much, much longer clearly.

And btw Temper Tantrum implies A LOT of energy. I don't know about you nigga, but most people when angry end up trying a good amount. So he woke up, threw a temper tantrum (read tried) and destroyed Star Systems. Not impressive.

And yeah, if you lose to entities that aren't universal, if you can't beat universal level entities, if you can't beat entities that can't destroy and conquer universes, that makes you less than Universal in power. This is where Galactus falls.

Strange beat Galactus by making him feel the pain/terror of all his victims. Considering he'd have trillions or more victims, it makes sense. No plot stupidity at all.

@evoljeanyes nigga, Doom is shown specifically fighting Galactus, stealing his power, and then going on to fight and drain The Beyonder. He used that nigga as a stepping stone. And to this day, Galactus can't fuck with Doom.

Oh so Jim Jaspers can destroy the ominverse through warping but he can't warp Galactus? Ok, prove it. Prove that Galactus is somehow immune to reality warping that affects all of creation as Jasper's shit was said to do.

He might be a necessity, who cares, he's still weaker than most entities and that's the facts, them the brakes. Galactus is weaker than Trigon, no matter how "essential" he is. We talking about strength not about necessity.

@jaxn

Doom beat Galactus 2/2 times and has tech to drain him. Without plot, he should win everytime. Ask Surfer (who's actually defeated Galactus before), as Thor (who's beaten Galactus before), as Reed (who's beaten Galactus before). Hell Reed was beating an anti-Galactus Robot at one time, and there were rumors of Galactus Buster armor for Tony.

Franklin's not even top 5 on Earth b. Jim Jaspers is stronger, Legion is stronger (what part of the Universe in a box don't you get?), Doom kidnapped him and drained his powers, Niggas like Mr. M and shit too. Galactus can't even fuck with Gaia (however you spell it) who'd an Elder god in herself, as in Cthton level, who's also above Galactus.

And wrong. Odin stalemated Darkseid already in the DC Universe, and that Odin seemed more powerful as he literally opened up a Pocket Universe to trap Surtur in. Unlike Marvel Odin who's Galaxy level at best.

Also fix that mess of quotes. Shit looks like jibberish.

So yeah it goes like this. Shuma's multiversal. Trigon's low multiversal, high universal, Galactus is high Galaxy level fully fed, Odin's mid Galaxy level aka skyfather. So Shuma>Trigon>Galactus>Odin. Period.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The Lonious, Galactus's max capacity for destruction, ever in his life, was Galaxy level. You say he's not interested in destroying universes, but that's literally exactly what he's doing right now against the Ultimate Universe. So you're wrong. If he could consume entire Universes as Trigon did, he would as it'd sate his hunger for much, much longer clearly.

And btw Temper Tantrum implies A LOT of energy. I don't know about you nigga, but most people when angry end up trying a good amount. So he woke up, threw a temper tantrum (read tried) and destroyed Star Systems. Not impressive.

And yeah, if you lose to entities that aren't universal, if you can't beat universal level entities, if you can't beat entities that can't destroy and conquer universes, that makes you less than Universal in power. This is where Galactus falls.

Strange beat Galactus by making him feel the pain/terror of all his victims. Considering he'd have trillions or more victims, it makes sense. No plot stupidity at all.

I don't think you understand how nonsensical most of the shit you say is.

Galactus hasn't entered the Ultimate Universe to destroy the universe. He entered it to find new worlds to feed on, the same way he does in the 616 universe. It's being billed as the end of the Ultimate Universe because besides Earth and the remnants of the Kree and Skrulls, there isn't much else in that universe because of the Gah Lak Tus swarm.

Nowhere does a temper tantrum imply a lot of energy. My baby daughter throws temper tantrums and then gets up and runs around full energized when she's finished. Galactus let out his energy wave and then left fully powered with no signs of exertion.

You're making up definitions to fit your point. A "Universal" power just means the character is powerful enough to create/destroy/manipulate/etc... on a universal scale. Galactus has already demonstrated that power, so your argument is just stupid.

Strange beat a Galactus weakened by hunger (the usual plot device used with Galactus) by pulling a random spell out of nowhere to make Galactus feel the pain from all his victims (the usual DEM that Strange always came up with in the past). That proves nothing. Strange also has wins over Shuma Gorath. Does that mean Shuma isn't a universal being even though he's already conquered universes? Hell, Conan has defeated Shuma before.

 

[jaxn]

The Lonious, Galactus's max capacity for destruction, ever in his life, was Galaxy level. You say he's not interested in destroying universes, but that's literally exactly what he's doing right now against the Ultimate Universe. So you're wrong. If he could consume entire Universes as Trigon did, he would as it'd sate his hunger for much, much longer clearly.

And btw Temper Tantrum implies A LOT of energy. I don't know about you nigga, but most people when angry end up trying a good amount. So he woke up, threw a temper tantrum (read tried) and destroyed Star Systems. Not impressive.

And yeah, if you lose to entities that aren't universal, if you can't beat universal level entities, if you can't beat entities that can't destroy and conquer universes, that makes you less than Universal in power. This is where Galactus falls.

Strange beat Galactus by making him feel the pain/terror of all his victims. Considering he'd have trillions or more victims, it makes sense. No plot stupidity at all.

@evoljeanyes nigga, Doom is shown specifically fighting Galactus, stealing his power, and then going on to fight and drain The Beyonder. He used that nigga as a stepping stone. And to this day, Galactus can't fuck with Doom.

Galactus can't fuck with Doom? are you serious man? See i can just leave this alone right now due to the sheer ignorance of this post. Before you debate Galactus you need to learn about him

Oh so Jim Jaspers can destroy the ominverse through warping but he can't warp Galactus? Ok, prove it. Prove that Galactus is somehow immune to reality warping that affects all of creation as Jasper's shit was said to do.

JJ cannot fuck with Galactus. He cannot even begin to comprehend Galactus

He might be a necessity, who cares, he's still weaker than most entities and that's the facts, them the brakes. Galactus is weaker than Trigon, no matter how "essential" he is. We talking about strength not about necessity.

Who are all of these entities that are stronger than Galactus? You do realize that many of these entities don't want none of him right?

@jaxn

Doom beat Galactus 2/2 times and has tech to drain him. Without plot, he should win everytime. Ask Surfer (who's actually defeated Galactus before), as Thor (who's beaten Galactus before), as Reed (who's beaten Galactus before). Hell Reed was beating an anti-Galactus Robot at one time, and there were rumors of Galactus Buster armor for Tony.

utter nonsense. Without plot, Doom dies along with everyone on Earth. Surfer has never beaten Galactus, ever. The closest he's ever come is in the future when he was the Keeper..how in the hell can Surfer defeat Galactus when Galactus can remove his power with the wave of his hand? Thor has never beaten Galactus. In the meeting I think you're referring to is when Thor drove Galan back?? yeah in that arc it was said Odin was helping Thor and later was retconned. If you think Thor can beat Galactus then something is seriously wrong here. What the fuck is an anti-Galactus robot and what does it have to do with Galan...a Galactus buster armor for Tony? bwahahahahaha I assume you're talking about the armor in this latest arc for Ironman?

Franklin's not even top 5 on Earth b. Jim Jaspers is stronger, Legion is stronger (what part of the Universe in a box don't you get?), Doom kidnapped him and drained his powers, Niggas like Mr. M and shit too. Galactus can't even fuck with Gaia (however you spell it) who'd an Elder god in herself, as in Cthton level, who's also above Galactus.

there's so much failure in this post, I don't know where to begin..Franklin is stronger than all that you've named. Legion nor JJ are stronger..the hell, do you not realize that Franklin has also created his own pocket universe complete with cosmic characters and kept this universe in his pants pocket..what part about that do you not get?? What's even more impressive is that Franklin actually saved the real 616 heroes lives by doing this and had dopplegangers in this new universe with the same power levels as their counterparts

And wrong. Odin stalemated Darkseid already in the DC Universe, and that Odin seemed more powerful as he literally opened up a Pocket Universe to trap Surtur in. Unlike Marvel Odin who's Galaxy level at best.

This is idiocy..you're comparing the Odin from DC to the Odin from Marvel. Odin, from Marvel, you know the one in this thread, has never faced DS and would absolutely humilate him if he did.

Also fix that mess of quotes. Shit looks like jibberish.

your entire thought process is jibberish

So yeah it goes like this. Shuma's multiversal. Trigon's low multiversal, high universal, Galactus is high Galaxy level fully fed, Odin's mid Galaxy level aka skyfather. So Shuma>Trigon>Galactus>Odin. Period.

yeah it goes that you have absolutely no clue about what you're talking about....yet again

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Well Thor did beat Galactus technically. Of course just saying that pretty much hides the events. The sequence went like this:

Thor attacks Galactus with no effect other than making Galactus feel pain.

Galactus grabs Thor and throws him at Ego so hard that it would have killed Thor.

Ego saves Thor's life.

Thor sets Mjolnir up on an altar on Ego's surface and powers up his godblast.

Thor hits Galactus with the godblast while Galactus is distracted fighting Ego.

Galactus retreats because the godblast somehow steals his energy weakening him. (Hey look, that plot device again)

 

[jaxn]

oh yeah, I remember the instance..It's just that during that time, there was either an editor's note or another issue in that storyline that suggested Thor was tapping into the Odinforce to perform that feat

 

[evoljeanyes]

@jaxn when you were gone...I had this same battle with @darkraiden he just doesn't understand comics. Doom and surfer are peons to Galactus...Jim Jasper's...really? Anyways...Odin is at least equal to Trigon. And when he decides to beat those of his equal he does. So...that's that. This man saying Galactus can only destroy a universe makes him stupid. He beat the shit out of inbetweener after he destroyed universes. Galactus is above death. He is below only living tribunal in a class with sise neg eternity and obivion death infinity and phoenix force. Anyways...Odin wins...Galactus is possibly top 5 sure top 10

 

[DarkRaiden]

@evoljeanyes word...Doom's a peon to Galactus, but he took his powers and has dwarfed him in power many times. Word, Surfer didn't defeat 2 beings that whooped Galactus's ass. Surfer didn't one time turn Galactus's machines against him, killing him for what he thought was the greater good. Jaspers wasn't tated to be a Multiversal threat right?

As for Odin, lets look at when he fights Darkseid level people. He fought Thanos, man to man and no matter what he threw at him, he couldn't put him down. Odin has been hurt by Thor before, someone of much lower class than Trigon. And no galactus can't destroy a universe, why? Because the universe has Eternity, oblivion, Death, etc. in it.

And Sise-neg is Omnipotent, far above LT and above Galactus by a long shot. And tell me, if Galactus is so powerful, why does he CONSTANTLY lose to weaker beings, when none of the other entities do? Galctus has been blasted on his ass by Thanos, head up. He won the fight, but still, that shit's embarrassing. phoenix has embarrassed Galactus, Thor has busted his helmet with one strike (in the recent Odin vs. Galactus, Surfer vs. Thor fight), and Odin headbutted him (killed himself) and KO'd Galactus momentarily.

Why did he lose to Ego the living Planet while Thor defeated him? Why does Surfer constantly protect him from Thor as if he fears he'll die if he faces him? How does he get turned into a mere herald by Franklin Richards? How does Mephisto stalemate him when they fought in his realm? He's the only entity that his happens to, and that's because he's far weaker than the other names you threw out there.

BTW Phoenix force is weaker than Jim Jaspers, weaker than the Goblin Force and others in that list are Chaos and Order (their herald, their silver surfer is In-Betweener), Galactus was stalemated vs. only 1 Vishanti, this is till a fact, and he's been beaten far too many times to be as powerful as you want to claim he is. Also, he's diead before, meaning he can lose to Death. If one is more powerful than Death, one cannot die.

The Lonious, b, you're young daughter doesn't even have her full functions and thought processes behind her. Not the same as soMeone in full control of themselves. Anger and tantrums imply a fair amount of power automatically. When you're angry you try to send a message and try to damage people.

And no, Galactus has never shown Universal capabilities, especially not consistently. He's always shown to be galaxy level or below. Hell, he doesn't even have the Ultimate Nullifier as normal gear, as he gave it to Reed IIRC. He has never, under his own power, proven to do anything on universal scale. Period.

@jaxn get your quote game better, cause that shit is terrible b. And maybe you don't understand logic, but I'll try and break it down for you. IN DC, Darkseid stalemated Odin. In DC, Odin displayed universal level powers, more than Odin in Marvel has. In DC, Trigon easily beat the very people that beat Darkseid, by just showing up, and he was weakened IIRC. Thus, Trigon>>>>>>Darkseid=Odin DC>Odin Marvel. See? It's a comparison of power level shown, aka feats and that's it. Also I could bring up how Odin couldn't put down Thanos, who's Darkseid level as I did before. Either way, Trigon eclipses him.

Let's see, It's been stated in Marvel before that the 616 universe, the main universe we see, is the nexus of the Marvel Omniverse, that if the 616 universe is destroyed, it could rupture the Multiverse, or similar statements. Franklin has universes where people are weaker for the most part, but still he has his own entities or w/e and it's impressive. Legion has the nexus of the Multiverse, the 616 Universe in his shoebox at home. That's far, far more impressive.

Other entities more powerful than Galactus? Jim Jaspers, stated multiversal threat, at least universal threat when at his weakest. The Fury, killed the other universe Jaspers who was a universal threat. The Beyonder, Molecule Man, Eternity, Infinity, Death, Phoenix Force, Goblin force, Cyttroak in his dimension, Legion, Franklin Richards, Chaos, Order, M'kaan Crystal, anyone with the Infinity Gauntlet, Oblivion, Chaos King, Celestials, apparently tenebrous and Aegis should they combine, Living tribunal, TOAA, and more. People like Mister M are debatable.

And again, if Galactus can beat Doom, why was he beaten twice and had his powers stolen? Why does Galactus have a tough fight with Odin, but Doom with Galactus's powers, nearly oneshots him? Why does Doom constantly obtain omnipotence and only lose when plot demands it? Doom is above Galactus and has proven it time and time again.

And no, Galactus can't touch Earth. He can't beat Franklin Richards, can't get past Reed Richards, can't bet Dr. Strange at his best, if Thor can drive him back, wonder what Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, Sentry, and Captain universe will do combined? Can't beat Legion, can't beat Mister M possibly, can't beat Molecule Man, can't beat Phoenix, and more. I know all about Galactus. You guys just seem to boost him and take only the best about him, boost it more and decide that that's where his power level is. But nah, he's nowhere near top anything and would be demolished by Marvel Earth in a secon flat, without plot.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The Lonious, b, you're young daughter doesn't even have her full functions and thought processes behind her. Not the same as soMeone in full control of themselves. Anger and tantrums imply a fair amount of power automatically. When you're angry you try to send a message and try to damage people.

And no, Galactus has never shown Universal capabilities, especially not consistently. He's always shown to be galaxy level or below. Hell, he doesn't even have the Ultimate Nullifier as normal gear, as he gave it to Reed IIRC. He has never, under his own power, proven to do anything on universal scale. Period.

What are you talking about? You are really making up shit and it's pathetic. Your argument is completely unfounded. Galactus let out that energy wave in a fit of rage and there was absolutely nothing suggesting it drained him at all. In fact, it's to the contrary because the image of him after he released the wave showed him still brimming with power. Stop this nonsense man. You're clearly just grasping at straws here and it's unnecessary. You're wrong on this point, so just leave it at that.

And you're showing that you don't read at all because everything you say in contradicted by what's said in the comics. The UN is not "gear." It's specifically stated in the comic that it is Galactus' own power. And he doesn't need to have it with him at all times, because he's already demonstrated that since it's his power, he can summon it to him at any time as he did when he took it away from Abraxas. And yes, Galactus gave it to Reed to use because it's just that dangerous. Again they explicitly state this in the comics. In Reed's hands the UN could be used to restart and correct the Universe, which pales in comparison to what it would do in Galactus' hands. So basically rewriting the Universe is trivial compared to what Galactus can do with the UN.

There is no point in discussing this though because you have no idea what you're talking about. Without plot, Marvel Earth could never stop Galactus. The heroes have NEVER beaten a reasonably fed Galactus. You keep on naming these people that are supposed to beat him. Have you forgotten about Hyperstorm? He's arguably the most powerful mutant to ever exist. He was the son of Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers and had both of their powers and more. No one on earth could do shit to him, so what was their big plan to beat him? They basically found Galactus and Galactus ate him. No one is saying Galactus is the strongest being there is or that he's unbeatable. He's clearly not, but you have no idea what you're talking about and are not assessing his power correctly.

 

[jaxn]

The Lonious, b, you're young daughter doesn't even have her full functions and thought processes behind her. Not the same as soMeone in full control of themselves. Anger and tantrums imply a fair amount of power automatically. When you're angry you try to send a message and try to damage people.

And no, Galactus has never shown Universal capabilities, especially not consistently. He's always shown to be galaxy level or below. Hell, he doesn't even have the Ultimate Nullifier as normal gear, as he gave it to Reed IIRC. He has never, under his own power, proven to do anything on universal scale. Period.

What are you talking about? You are really making up shit and it's pathetic. Your argument is completely unfounded. Galactus let out that energy wave in a fit of rage and there was absolutely nothing suggesting it drained him at all. In fact, it's to the contrary because the image of him after he released the wave showed him still brimming with power. Stop this nonsense man. You're clearly just grasping at straws here and it's unnecessary. You're wrong on this point, so just leave it at that.

And you're showing that you don't read at all because everything you say in contradicted by what's said in the comics. The UN is not "gear." It's specifically stated in the comic that it is Galactus' own power. And he doesn't need to have it with him at all times, because he's already demonstrated that since it's his power, he can summon it to him at any time as he did when he took it away from Abraxas. And yes, Galactus gave it to Reed to use because it's just that dangerous. Again they explicitly state this in the comics. In Reed's hands the UN could be used to restart and correct the Universe, which pales in comparison to what it would do in Galactus' hands. So basically rewriting the Universe is trivial compared to what Galactus can do with the UN.

There is no point in discussing this though because you have no idea what you're talking about. Without plot, Marvel Earth could never stop Galactus. The heroes have NEVER beaten a reasonably fed Galactus. You keep on naming these people that are supposed to beat him. Have you forgotten about Hyperstorm? He's arguably the most powerful mutant to ever exist. He was the son of Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers and had both of their powers and more. No one on earth could do shit to him, so what was their big plan to beat him? They basically found Galactus and Galactus ate him. No one is saying Galactus is the strongest being there is or that he's unbeatable. He's clearly not, but you have no idea what you're talking about and are not assessing his power correctly.

exactly

 

[jaxn]

@evoljeanyes word...Doom's a peon to Galactus, but he took his powers and has dwarfed him in power many times. Word, Surfer didn't defeat 2 beings that whooped Galactus's ass. Surfer didn't one time turn Galactus's machines against him, killing him for what he thought was the greater good. Jaspers wasn't tated to be a Multiversal threat right?

As for Odin, lets look at when he fights Darkseid level people. He fought Thanos, man to man and no matter what he threw at him, he couldn't put him down. Odin has been hurt by Thor before, someone of much lower class than Trigon. And no galactus can't destroy a universe, why? Because the universe has Eternity, oblivion, Death, etc. in it.

And Sise-neg is Omnipotent, far above LT and above Galactus by a long shot. And tell me, if Galactus is so powerful, why does he CONSTANTLY lose to weaker beings, when none of the other entities do? Galctus has been blasted on his ass by Thanos, head up. He won the fight, but still, that shit's embarrassing. phoenix has embarrassed Galactus, Thor has busted his helmet with one strike (in the recent Odin vs. Galactus, Surfer vs. Thor fight), and Odin headbutted him (killed himself) and KO'd Galactus momentarily.

Why did he lose to Ego the living Planet while Thor defeated him? Why does Surfer constantly protect him from Thor as if he fears he'll die if he faces him? How does he get turned into a mere herald by Franklin Richards? How does Mephisto stalemate him when they fought in his realm? He's the only entity that his happens to, and that's because he's far weaker than the other names you threw out there.

BTW Phoenix force is weaker than Jim Jaspers, weaker than the Goblin Force and others in that list are Chaos and Order (their herald, their silver surfer is In-Betweener), Galactus was stalemated vs. only 1 Vishanti, this is till a fact, and he's been beaten far too many times to be as powerful as you want to claim he is. Also, he's diead before, meaning he can lose to Death. If one is more powerful than Death, one cannot die.

The Lonious, b, you're young daughter doesn't even have her full functions and thought processes behind her. Not the same as soMeone in full control of themselves. Anger and tantrums imply a fair amount of power automatically. When you're angry you try to send a message and try to damage people.

And no, Galactus has never shown Universal capabilities, especially not consistently. He's always shown to be galaxy level or below. Hell, he doesn't even have the Ultimate Nullifier as normal gear, as he gave it to Reed IIRC. He has never, under his own power, proven to do anything on universal scale. Period.

@jaxn get your quote game better, cause that shit is terrible b. And maybe you don't understand logic, but I'll try and break it down for you. IN DC, Darkseid stalemated Odin. In DC, Odin displayed universal level powers, more than Odin in Marvel has. In DC, Trigon easily beat the very people that beat Darkseid, by just showing up, and he was weakened IIRC. Thus, Trigon>>>>>>Darkseid=Odin DC>Odin Marvel. See? It's a comparison of power level shown, aka feats and that's it. Also I could bring up how Odin couldn't put down Thanos, who's Darkseid level as I did before. Either way, Trigon eclipses him.

Let's see, It's been stated in Marvel before that the 616 universe, the main universe we see, is the nexus of the Marvel Omniverse, that if the 616 universe is destroyed, it could rupture the Multiverse, or similar statements. Franklin has universes where people are weaker for the most part, but still he has his own entities or w/e and it's impressive. Legion has the nexus of the Multiverse, the 616 Universe in his shoebox at home. That's far, far more impressive.

Other entities more powerful than Galactus? Jim Jaspers, stated multiversal threat, at least universal threat when at his weakest. The Fury, killed the other universe Jaspers who was a universal threat. The Beyonder, Molecule Man, Eternity, Infinity, Death, Phoenix Force, Goblin force, Cyttroak in his dimension, Legion, Franklin Richards, Chaos, Order, M'kaan Crystal, anyone with the Infinity Gauntlet, Oblivion, Chaos King, Celestials, apparently tenebrous and Aegis should they combine, Living tribunal, TOAA, and more. People like Mister M are debatable.

And again, if Galactus can beat Doom, why was he beaten twice and had his powers stolen? Why does Galactus have a tough fight with Odin, but Doom with Galactus's powers, nearly oneshots him? Why does Doom constantly obtain omnipotence and only lose when plot demands it? Doom is above Galactus and has proven it time and time again.

And no, Galactus can't touch Earth. He can't beat Franklin Richards, can't get past Reed Richards, can't bet Dr. Strange at his best, if Thor can drive him back, wonder what Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, Sentry, and Captain universe will do combined? Can't beat Legion, can't beat Mister M possibly, can't beat Molecule Man, can't beat Phoenix, and more. I know all about Galactus. You guys just seem to boost him and take only the best about him, boost it more and decide that that's where his power level is. But nah, he's nowhere near top anything and would be demolished by Marvel Earth in a secon flat, without plot.

we can agree to just disagree

 

[evoljeanyes]

Yo for real I am usually a peacekeeper on here, but @darkraiden is the W.O.A.T. QC poster

 

[DarkRaiden]

The Lonious, I never said galactus was drained, just that he exerted effort. He tried when he destroyed the star systems. Period. And yeah UN is gear, because Galactus doesn't have it on him or use it much. in character, he almost never even lays hands on it. Where was it when the Celestials combined and beat his ass? Where was it when Tenebrous and Aegis fucked him up? Where was it when Odin drove him away from Asgard? Going by comics, he more often than not, elects to not use the UN, ever. So spare me the bullshit.

Hyperstorm? He was essentially just energy IIRC so Galactus ate him, plus he's never done anything on Franklin Richards' level so I don't see your point. He's not even top 5 mutants btw with Franklin Richards, Shaman Nate Grey, Legion, Mister M, Jim Jaspers, Hope Summers (potentially), and more I'm probably forgetting. He was hard to beat for Earth, probably because of plot (not as familiar with him) as Thor can absorb and redirect galaxy busting energy, Photon has absorbed interdimensional energy, Surfer (if he wants to help) can manipulate the Crunch, Darwin can adapt to it, Doom can absorb his energy, and more. If logic were used instead of plot of course.

As for reasonably fed Galactus, guess what? He never shows up, so it's all a what if? An assumption. Regardless it shouldn't change vs. Doom who has machines that absorbed the Beyonder's powers, someone far above Galactus. It really shouldn't change things

And I'll say it again, he's never even gotten close to proving he'd be even top 5 in Marvel Earth. When he stops losing to Ego and being beat by people Surfer beats, then I might believe it. When he starts beating people who warp universes, I might believe it. Until then, he's not taking Marvel Earth.

And @jaxn sure agree to disagree.

@evoljeanyes lol please nigga. You said Galactus was >Death, and you said Martian Manhunter was >Silver Surfer. You have no room to speak.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The Lonious, I never said galactus was drained, just that he exerted effort. He tried when he destroyed the star systems. Period. And yeah UN is gear, because Galactus doesn't have it on him or use it much. in character, he almost never even lays hands on it. Where was it when the Celestials combined and beat his ass? Where was it when Tenebrous and Aegis fucked him up? Where was it when Odin drove him away from Asgard? Going by comics, he more often than not, elects to not use the UN, ever. So spare me the bullshit.

Again, you have no proof that Galactus put any substantial effort into that attack. You basically want him to have done that, so you're saying he did even if you have absolutely no proof.

The UN is not gear. Just because you continue to say something doesn't mean it's true. It was stated in a comic that the UN is part of Galactus' power, so that's canonical fact. You sitting here trying to argue against that is just silly. And again, I don't think you understand what the UN is. As I stated before, rewriting the universe was considered a rudimentary usage of the UN. And I'm now convinced you don't read the comics and just talk out of your ass. Why would Galactus bring out the UN for the Celestials? He was handling them solo without it and only lost when they unexpectedly merged and blasted him. He had also beaten T&A and all of the primordial gods before so he had no reason to think he needed a power that could potentially destroy the entire universe if used wrong. The question was not "Does Galactus use his universal power a lot?" Again, I've already stated that Galactus has no reason to do such a thing. The question was "Does Galactus have universal level power?" And the answer is "yes." That's proven fact and nothing you can say will change that.

Hyperstorm? He was essentially just energy IIRC so Galactus ate him, plus he's never done anything on Franklin Richards' level so I don't see your point. He's not even top 5 mutants btw with Franklin Richards, Shaman Nate Grey, Legion, Mister M, Jim Jaspers, Hope Summers (potentially), and more I'm probably forgetting. He was hard to beat for Earth, probably because of plot (not as familiar with him) as Thor can absorb and redirect galaxy busting energy, Photon has absorbed interdimensional energy, Surfer (if he wants to help) can manipulate the Crunch, Darwin can adapt to it, Doom can absorb his energy, and more. If logic were used instead of plot of course.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Hyperstorm had high level psionic abilities and reality warping. He was most certainly as powerful as all those people you named. And again, I've got to laugh at you using the plot argument against one character all the while bashing Galactus who has pretty much only ever lost to lower characters because of plot. Come on bruh.

As for reasonably fed Galactus, guess what? He never shows up, so it's all a what if? An assumption. Regardless it shouldn't change vs. Doom who has machines that absorbed the Beyonder's powers, someone far above Galactus. It really shouldn't change things

And I'll say it again, he's never even gotten close to proving he'd be even top 5 in Marvel Earth. When he stops losing to Ego and being beat by people Surfer beats, then I might believe it. When he starts beating people who warp universes, I might believe it. Until then, he's not taking Marvel Earth.

Did you just say that Galactus wouldn't even be top 5 on Marvel Earth? Why didn't you say that at the very beginning, so we could all know to completely ignore everything from you on this matter. Yeah, this discussion is done.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Galactus is above death and also, I said Martian wouldn't get stomped by Surfer. I never said he was above him. But until next time we see your dumbass post stupid shit. Later

 

[DarkRaiden]

The Lonious, b, come on son.

Galactus threw a temper tantrum, aka he was angry. When you're angry some effort is put into whatever you're doing. It's a fact, it's logic, it's common sense. No one said he went 100% ham on shit, but he still tried. To pretend it was no effort is misrepresenting it. It's like when Surfer threw tantrums, he's destroyed planets IIRC and one time it actually amped him up to Galactus level (that shit happened for like...1 second though so not too impactful). Anger usually leads to some effort, Galactus destroyed Star Systems with effort. He also destroyed Galaxies with effort, but he's not universe level.

UN is gear, cool, but he never uses it when he needs it, so it's inconsequential. Why would he have it against Celestials? Because there are single Celestials stronger than him maybe? And if it was standard gear, why didn't he just pull it out after they fused together? Same with T & A, why not pull it out and beat them with it? Why does Surfer have to be the one to do it? Why not use a tool that can rewrite universes to sate his hunger? Or to beat Thanos when he took the Infinity Gauntlet? Or to beat Beyonder when he tried to fight him? Or to take over Asgard (He even said it would fill his hunger for damn near ever so he had stakes)? Or to take over Marvel Earth which he's failed to do about 100 times, Or to get his powers back from Doom, etc. There's been too many situation where loses, and a few where he DIES and yet never pulls out the UN. It's essentially not even gear for him.

Let me see something Hyperstorm did. Tell me his feats. Did he create pocket universes? Was he an omniversal threat? Did he warp shit on a high level? Because I've never heard anyone ever say Hyperstorm is on Franklin Richards' level. Franklin's done more, waay more, including taking on Celestials and actually beating/humbling Galactus. Cause Jim Jaspers, Legion, Franklin Richards, Mister M, etc. all have high end reality warping and some have created their own universes.

Word.....he's top 5 on Marvel Earth?

Ok tell me what Galactus did better than Legion having a universe in a box, creating his own universe, and killing Limbo's Elder Gods? I'll wait.

Tell me what Galactus did better than Franklin Richards creating his own universes? I'll wait

Tell me what Galactus did better than HOM Scarlet Witch with her omniversal chaos warp that depowered mutants and revived Jim Jaspers? I'll wait

Tell me what Galactus did better than Jim Jaspers not only warping all of reality, but replacing Eternity and becoming an actual universe and having his warp said to be an omniversal threat? I'll wait.

You see this, the list of high end reality warpers on Marvel Earth? There's more and more and even characters who straight up beat Galactus head up (Doom, Phoenix). Most cosmic entities maybe even Death and Eternity might not be top 5 on Marvel Earth. It's not a bad thing at all b. stop underestimating just how powerful Marvel Earth is.