Anybody still into conspiracy theories?

[BangEm_Bart]

@Ether44mag

You're a dumbass. I was there in plain sight and saw that shit when I was in high school. Almost everyone from NY and NJ saw it. CGI my ass. Crack is wack.

 

[Ether44mag]

@Ether44mag

You're a dumbass. I was there in plain sight and saw that shit when I was in high school. Almost everyone from NY and NJ saw it. CGI my ass. Crack is wack.

one day the truth will come out and when that day happens remember me

 

[Plutarch]

first off I believe in a creator I like to call him "The Most High" because I cant go wrong with that , there can be alot of Gods but the most high is ...well... the MOST high lol

respect.

@Plutarch

I consider myself VERY spiritual ,I been trough ALOT of spiritual experiences in my life since my third eye been activated about 15 years ago and since then I read alot of different philosophies of life ,read a little bit about egyptian mythology ,greek mythology ,watched zeitgeist and alot of things that I wont even talk about here because its just too deep...went to librarys where masons buy their books etc but LOGIC and KARMA is what I base my life on, religion is man made !! man is WICKED ,not pure at all ,people who decide things and give green lights dont have our best interest at heart so automaticaly when something is promoted to the masses by the elite ,I question it.

respect, i can't argue much with that. you should speak on those things that are too deep. spread the knowledge.

I do believe that the bible has alot of wisdom in it ,some truth ,ALOT of metaphores that should not be taken literaly for exemple : the story of the turtle and the hare is not a true story but has REAL wisdom in it

I agree. I believe that the Bible is very figurative and is full of "guidelines," which is why I have a problem with fundamentalists.

but the part that people dont pay attention too is that the devil is supposed to be a deceiver and the story says that Lucifer was Gods favorite angel right ? then he became jealous of humans and rebeled against God and wanted to be worshipped like him, right ? ok fast forward a little bit and all of a sudden some human comes and defies the natural laws like being birthed from a virgin ,why does she have to be a virgin ? second he gets killed for calling himself God in the flesh and being the son of God...they beat his ass ,kill him on a cross ,the same way they killed criminals and rapists ,then he supposedly ressurected THAT IS THE MAIN REASON why they claim he is the messiah so yeah the religion is based on miracles ,things normal humans cant do , so all you have to do is believe that it really happened to be a christian LOLLLL

Meh, maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. Let me put it this way: I can't speak for others, but the miracles are only a small part of many reasons why I believe in Christ. Imo, if someone believes in Christ primarily because of the miracles, then their "faith" is weak or non-existent.

but those people who WROTE the bible serve as Witnesses ,so believeing in Jesus is believing in THEIR testimony but nobody questions their credibility and thats just dumb! It could all be a lie ,and remember who got cast out of heaven to be WORSHIPPED and wanted to be seen as powerful as God ? chew on that shit

It might not be as much of a matter of credibility as it is simply a matter of faith. Yes, it could all be a lie. And it could all be a truth.

but hey I could be totally wrong ,but I only Pray to the MOST high so i cant REALLY be wrong , but what if Jesus is not actually holy ? what happens then ? what if its a plan to deceive the REAL commandments of the most high that none of us know because they destroyed or hid them and did not release it to the public ?

I get it, but don't you also have quite of a burden of proof to conquer?

always think about what you DONT KNOW , focusing on what THEY GIVE YOU is for simple minded people and trust me ,people who promoted that story and religion are not simple minded at all...

I can agree to an extent. And just for the record, I don't consider myself and plenty of other Christians simple-minded but just the opposite. And I'm well aware of the exploitative nature of mankind and how religion can be used for nefarious means. But I don't think that essentially discredits religion itself.

 

[Plutarch]

plus people who wrote the stories abouth jesus were his disciples they were what 12 ? hahahahaha you mean to tell me the son of god , God in the flesh only has 12 followers ? really ?

I don't get it. He started with 12 followers? Yes, I think so. Then his followers drastically increased (and decreased) over time (and Christianity eventually became the most populous religion?). I'm not following your point.

most people know Trump is a fraud but he still has thousands and thousands of followers ,now imagine his 12 most hardcore fans wrote a book about him ? Bias anybody ?

I personally think that's a not-so-good analogy, but meh.

those disciples dont even have last names hahahaha ,

Irrelevant?

and plus jesus is represented on a cross ,really you represent him with the thing they used to kill him with ?

C'mon, that's conveniently myopic. I believe that the cross is supposed to represent Christ's sacrifice.

talk with people who believe and those who have doubts and listen to wich sound more inteligent ,the people who believe are the same people who believe everything they see on the internet ,those who cant even notice when a prank is staged lol those are the SHEEP being guided by jesus ,the overall message is " be docile ,turn the other cheek ,obey, " wow I wonder who would profit from this mentality ,hmmmm

I still think you're painting a very bad caricature of Christianity. At the least, it's certainly not my version of Christianity.

and why all those scare tactics ? if you do this you GOIN TO HELL !! ahhahah parents do the same thing to kids ," if you do this you will be rewarded by santa clause " santa claus dont exist ,the parents buy the gifts and we realise this around 6 or 7 years old ,guess most will realise that jesus thing was fake when they die .

Once again, this doesn't describe me.

 

[Ether44mag]

@Plutarch

12 followers when he was alive...

because you dont get the analogy d ont mean its not good ,its simple as hell

those are not caricatures its the undertone of the overall message

I wasnt trying to decribe you... i'm talkin about all the scare tactics of the religion

 

[Plutarch]

@Plutarch

12 followers when he was alive...

I believe that he had more. Or maybe you're using a slightly different meaning of the term "follower." But didn't the many people whom he helped become his followers? Some of them even later abandoned him but not all. Wasn't John the Baptist a follower? Wasn't Mary? And so on and so on?

because you dont get the analogy d ont mean its not good ,its simple as hell

I thought I understood the analogy. I'm not even sure whether you understand my understanding of the analogy, especially since I never even explained my understanding, so I don't see why you're jumping to the conclusion that I don't get it. In any case, if there is a potential misunderstanding, the first step should be to clarify and bridge the gap of understanding, which you have not done. The analogy might be simple to you but doesn't mean it's simple to others. Besides, there's also the possibility that it could be too simple to even be very effective. But, meh, maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.

those are not caricatures its the undertone of the overall message

Meh, I disagree.

I wasnt trying to decribe you... i'm talkin about all the scare tactics of the religion

Oh, ok. But I will add that I don't think that scare tactics is a part of religion. I think that it's a product of mankind and culture. Lot of people, imo, conflate religion and humankind or culture. I think that's a big mistake.

 

[Ether44mag]

@Plutarch

12 followers when he was alive...

I believe that he had more. Or maybe you're using a slightly different meaning of the term "follower." But didn't the many people whom he helped become his followers? Some of them even later abandoned him but not all. Wasn't John the Baptist a follower? Wasn't Mary? And so on and so on?

because you dont get the analogy d ont mean its not good ,its simple as hell

I thought I understood the analogy. I'm not even sure whether you understand my understanding of the analogy, especially since I never even explained my understanding, so I don't see why you're jumping to the conclusion that I don't get it. In any case, if there is a potential misunderstanding, the first step should be to clarify and bridge the gap of understanding, which you have not done. The analogy might be simple to you but doesn't mean it's simple to others. Besides, there's also the possibility that it could be too simple to even be very effective. But, meh, maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.

those are not caricatures its the undertone of the overall message

Meh, I disagree.

I wasnt trying to decribe you... i'm talkin about all the scare tactics of the religion

Oh, ok. But I will add that I don't think that scare tactics is a part of religion. I think that it's a product of mankind and culture. Lot of people, imo, conflate religion and humankind or culture. I think that's a big mistake.

the analogy is simple ,If you take the word of a small group of fans you will get a biased version of the facts ! ,simple ,the small group i'm referring to are the disciples who wrote the books , we dont have no versions of people who did not believe he was a messiah so we cant compare to make up our own minds , or maybe those things were written and where not put in the bible for a reason ,thats what I was trying to explain with the Trump comparisons ,his fans will only say how great he is

In real life we always try to get the whole picture of something before we cosign it , with religion we only get the point of view of the one who believes and everyone who has doubts is treated like somekind of devil lol its the right thing to do ,God gives inteligence to those who seek it ,the blind just follows without asking questions

 

[janklow]

he's a PROFESSOR ,you need to go to university to be a professor

except that he's a professor of economics, and you're like "but but but he has an EDUCATION! so he's an expert on this topic!"

being a professor of economics tells you absolutely nothing about what he studied in regards to physics or engineering. and the fact that video - or a poster like yourself - would cite him as an expert on the topic says they're fucked up and to be ignored on the topic.

 

[Ether44mag]

he's a PROFESSOR ,you need to go to university to be a professor

except that he's a professor of economics, and you're like "but but but he has an EDUCATION! so he's an expert on this topic!"

being a professor of economics tells you absolutely nothing about what he studied in regards to physics or engineering. and the fact that video - or a poster like yourself - would cite him as an expert on the topic says they're fucked up and to be ignored on the topic.

why are you saying that ONLY an expert in engineering can explain a simple law of physic ? by saying this that means you are not qualify to judge it neither so why argue ? I,m saying anyone who is not dumb and takes the time to think about it can realise that something is definitely fishy ,but you are acting like you dont event want to think about it and only dismiss the no plane theory ,you actually talkin like someone who knows the theory is real but you just dont want people to know about it,

i'll repeat ,a plane is made of aluminum

the building is made of heavy steel beams

aluminum can not cut trough and TOTALLY dissapear into a steel building without NO parts of the plane breaking or showing signs of impact ! ,you dont need to be an expert engineer to figure that out , its common sense ,unless you are a brainwashed blind sheep or that you just dont want to believe it

so what I did to shut you up is I found a video from an expert , a fuckin military pilot !! go to 22 minutes


what are you going to say now ? there is also an ENGINEER EXPERT explaining it at 26 minutes!

@janklow

 

[Plutarch]

the analogy is simple ,If you take the word of a small group of fans you will get a biased version of the facts ! ,simple ,the small group i'm referring to are the disciples who wrote the books , we dont have no versions of people who did not believe he was a messiah so we cant compare to make up our own minds , or maybe those things were written and where not put in the bible for a reason ,thats what I was trying to explain with the Trump comparisons ,his fans will only say how great he is

Ok, yeah, I think I got that part, and I think it makes sense. But it was specifically the Trump-Christ comparison that didn't make too much sense, at least to me.

As for what you said, I mostly agree, but bias is inescapable, and absolute truth is unattainable, at least imo. There are Christians who believe the gospels, but that doesn't mean that they take it as absolute fact.

Add to the fact that there are disciples who have different descriptions of the same account of Christ. It all boils down to faith and interpretation. Again, not all Christians are fundamentalists.

And many consider and compare other forms of historical truth that might or might not corroborate the New Testament. Of course, there are also varying, at times negative, accounts of Christ by non-Christians in the Bible.

But again, you're still left with a burden of proof. You said that we have no accounts from people who didn't believe that he was the Messiah, but you don't even seem sure about that, and then you say maybe those things were written and not put in the Bible. Aren't you trying to do the impossible by proving a negative? A negative that you're not even sure of.

In real life we always try to get the whole picture of something before we cosign it , with religion we only get the point of view of the one who believes and everyone who has doubts is treated like somekind of devil lol its the right thing to do ,God gives inteligence to those who seek it ,the blind just follows without asking questions

I mostly agree, but like I said, plenty of religious people take in other forms of truth that might or might not have much to do with their religion. Yes, a lot of religious people are sheep, but a lot humans are sheep. It's not because of religion per se. It's rather tied to human nature, imo.

 

[Ether44mag]

the analogy is simple ,If you take the word of a small group of fans you will get a biased version of the facts ! ,simple ,the small group i'm referring to are the disciples who wrote the books , we dont have no versions of people who did not believe he was a messiah so we cant compare to make up our own minds , or maybe those things were written and where not put in the bible for a reason ,thats what I was trying to explain with the Trump comparisons ,his fans will only say how great he is

Ok, yeah, I think I got that part, and I think it makes sense. But it was specifically the Trump-Christ comparison that didn't make too much sense, at least to me.

As for what you said, I mostly agree, but bias is inescapable, and absolute truth is unattainable, at least imo. There are Christians who believe the gospels, but that doesn't mean that they take it as absolute fact.

Add to the fact that there are disciples who have different descriptions of the same account of Christ. It all boils down to faith and interpretation. Again, not all Christians are fundamentalists.

And many consider and compare other forms of historical truth that might or might not corroborate the New Testament. Of course, there are also varying, at times negative, accounts of Christ by non-Christians in the Bible.

But again, you're still left with a burden of proof. You said that we have no accounts from people who didn't believe that he was the Messiah, but you don't even seem sure about that, and then you say maybe those things were written and not put in the Bible. Aren't you trying to do the impossible by proving a negative? A negative that you're not even sure of.

In real life we always try to get the whole picture of something before we cosign it , with religion we only get the point of view of the one who believes and everyone who has doubts is treated like somekind of devil lol its the right thing to do ,God gives inteligence to those who seek it ,the blind just follows without asking questions

I mostly agree, but like I said, plenty of religious people take in other forms of truth that might or might not have much to do with their religion. Yes, a lot of religious people are sheep, but a lot humans are sheep. It's not because of religion per se. It's rather tied to human nature, imo.

ok ...we agree then ,I only have a problem with people who swear and are convinced that everything in the bible is the absolute truth

 

[Ether44mag]

he's a PROFESSOR ,you need to go to university to be a professor

except that he's a professor of economics, and you're like "but but but he has an EDUCATION! so he's an expert on this topic!"

being a professor of economics tells you absolutely nothing about what he studied in regards to physics or engineering. and the fact that video - or a poster like yourself - would cite him as an expert on the topic says they're fucked up and to be ignored on the topic.

why are you saying that ONLY an expert in engineering can explain a simple law of physic ? by saying this that means you are not qualify to judge it neither so why argue ? I,m saying anyone who is not dumb and takes the time to think about it can realise that something is definitely fishy ,but you are acting like you dont event want to think about it and only dismiss the no plane theory ,you actually talkin like someone who knows the theory is real but you just dont want people to know about it,

i'll repeat ,a plane is made of aluminum

the building is made of heavy steel beams

aluminum can not cut trough and TOTALLY dissapear into a steel building without NO parts of the plane breaking or showing signs of impact ! ,you dont need to be an expert engineer to figure that out , its common sense ,unless you are a brainwashed blind sheep or that you just dont want to believe it

so what I did to shut you up is I found a video from an expert , a fuckin military pilot !! go to 22 minutes


what are you going to say now ? there is also an ENGINEER EXPERT explaining it at 26 minutes!

@janklow

yo you give up now ? are you finally starting to see the truth ? lol @janklow

 

[janklow]

yo you give up now ? are you finally starting to see the truth ? lol @janklow

when are people going to learn that i don't post my responses to their stupid posts based on their schedule?

 

[janklow]

why are you saying that ONLY an expert in engineering can explain a simple law of physic ?

actually, what i am saying is that by throwing out a professor of economics as an expert on this, the video is discrediting itself.

by saying this that means you are not qualify to judge it neither so why argue ? I,m saying anyone who is not dumb and takes the time to think about it can realise that something is definitely fishy ,but you are acting like you dont event want to think about it and only dismiss the no plane theory ,you actually talkin like someone who knows the theory is real but you just dont want people to know about it,

so basically your argument is:

-OMG you're not qualified to weigh in on this!

-OMG you're dumb!

-OMG you actually know i am right and THAT is why i am arguing it!

...yeah, YOU might not be qualified to discuss this topic.

aluminum can not cut trough and TOTALLY dissapear into a steel building without NO parts of the plane breaking or showing signs of impact

cool, good thing that didn't happen

so what I did to shut you up is I found a video from an expert , a fuckin military pilot !! go to 22 minutes

...and why is this guy an expert

also, at 22 minutes i listened to a guy be quoted repeatedly for some reason and a video of a shuttle hitting a barrier followed by "WHY DIDN'T A DIFFERENT PLANE DO THE EXACT SAME THING IN DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES." like... showing the same unconvincing thing repeated for several minutes over Dramatic Music doesn't actually make it more convincing.

what are you going to say now ? there is also an ENGINEER EXPERT explaining it at 26 minutes!

going to say Judy Wood's been debunked by OTHER engineering expert for years now.

 

[Ether44mag]

why are you saying that ONLY an expert in engineering can explain a simple law of physic ?

actually, what i am saying is that by throwing out a professor of economics as an expert on this, the video is discrediting itself.

by saying this that means you are not qualify to judge it neither so why argue ? I,m saying anyone who is not dumb and takes the time to think about it can realise that something is definitely fishy ,but you are acting like you dont event want to think about it and only dismiss the no plane theory ,you actually talkin like someone who knows the theory is real but you just dont want people to know about it,

so basically your argument is:

-OMG you're not qualified to weigh in on this!

-OMG you're dumb!

-OMG you actually know i am right and THAT is why i am arguing it!

...yeah, YOU might not be qualified to discuss this topic.

aluminum can not cut trough and TOTALLY dissapear into a steel building without NO parts of the plane breaking or showing signs of impact

cool, good thing that didn't happen

so what I did to shut you up is I found a video from an expert , a fuckin military pilot !! go to 22 minutes

...and why is this guy an expert

also, at 22 minutes i listened to a guy be quoted repeatedly for some reason and a video of a shuttle hitting a barrier followed by "WHY DIDN'T A DIFFERENT PLANE DO THE EXACT SAME THING IN DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES." like... showing the same unconvincing thing repeated for several minutes over Dramatic Music doesn't actually make it more convincing.

what are you going to say now ? there is also an ENGINEER EXPERT explaining it at 26 minutes!

going to say Judy Wood's been debunked by OTHER engineering expert for years now.

lol tell your point of view on the subject then...you are ok with the official report ? it was bin laden ? jet fuel caused the buildings to go down ? that was a real plane that crashed into the building without losing speed while dissapearing in the building with zero debris from the plane falling onto the streets ? thats what you believe happened ? ok bro i'll let you live, peace

 

[janklow]

lol tell your point of view on the subject then...

okay:

you are ok with the official report?

close enough.

it was bin laden ?

pretty sure he didn't do it himself.

jet fuel caused the buildings to go down?

pretty sure some plane crashes and fires also played a role.

that was a real plane that crashed into the building without losing speed while dissapearing in the building with zero debris from the plane falling onto the streets?

well, it didn't crash "without losing speed" while "disappearing" with "zero debris," so you tell me what answer you think you're getting here.

thats what you believe happened?

you know what really happened? you find the world scary and mysterious and you realized CONSPIRACY THEORIES make you feel warm and safe. peace.

 

[Ether44mag]

lol tell your point of view on the subject then...

okay:

you are ok with the official report?

close enough.

it was bin laden ?

pretty sure he didn't do it himself.

jet fuel caused the buildings to go down?

pretty sure some plane crashes and fires also played a role.

that was a real plane that crashed into the building without losing speed while dissapearing in the building with zero debris from the plane falling onto the streets?

well, it didn't crash "without losing speed" while "disappearing" with "zero debris," so you tell me what answer you think you're getting here.

thats what you believe happened?

you know what really happened? you find the world scary and mysterious and you realized CONSPIRACY THEORIES make you feel warm and safe. peace.

lol you are either dumb or a shill if you believe the official version, its been debunked ,doubting the "no plane theory " is one thing ,but believing the buildings went down the way it did (including building 7 that did not even get hit by no airplanes) because of the crash and fire is totally stupid ,but trust me ,the way you go about it ,you know exactly what happened you are just a shill ,you know the truth...

 

[janklow]

lol you are either dumb or a shill if you believe the official version

wait, what did i say again?

"close enough."

hmmm, seems to allow some leeway

its been debunked

nope

(including building 7 that did not even get hit by no airplanes)

yeah, likely your building 7 conspiracy theories have been debunked

you know exactly what happened you are just a shill ,you know the truth...

see, this is why i have no respect for you ignorant conspiracy theory people: everything should be questioned... unless it's YOUR belief. grow up.

 

[Ether44mag]

lol you are either dumb or a shill if you believe the official version

wait, what did i say again?

"close enough."

hmmm, seems to allow some leeway

its been debunked

nope

(including building 7 that did not even get hit by no airplanes)

yeah, likely your building 7 conspiracy theories have been debunked

you know exactly what happened you are just a shill ,you know the truth...

see, this is why i have no respect for you ignorant conspiracy theory people: everything should be questioned... unless it's YOUR belief. grow up.

you NEVER gave no arguments to explain how the official version is realistic OR gave a argument to prove my theory is false ...all you do is dismiss ,dismiss and dismiss and talk shit ...you brought no facts or explanation or said anything that would contribute to an inteligent discussion ,I showed multiple videos with detailed explanations on why its not possible ,fom diferent kinds of people ,with exemples and graphics etc...all you do is dismiss everyting like anybody who thinks outside the box and explore other explanations is just crazy ,you aint said nothing inteligent NOTHING lol

I guess all those certified engineers are stupid too right ?

 

[Ether44mag]

if you still doubt that it was a planned explosion after this!!...or at least admit that it makes alot of sense ,you a troll...real footage from the news and testimonies of people who were there talking about all the explosions

theres even footage of when they built the towers and engineers explaining what would happen if a plane hit them