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LOL at you herbs......
I have already destroyed all you Darwinists in this room...
If you would like to try again.....feel free
However, I implore you to come with a better argument than the evolution of cabbage....
whar;4686265 said:Ape to humans took 6 million years. We see clear evidence of this in the fossil record but you are not going to see that occur in the lab or even in the wild given we have only been looking for 150 years.
Artificial Selection does give interesting result particularly in agriculture. Cabbage is a simple plant that is a popular crop in Russia and elsewhere. In fact its origins are from that region northern Asia basically. Through selective breeding cabbage has been changed into Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower, and Kale.
That is a pretty significant set of changes to an organism. It is hard to argue that evolution can not produce large scale changes to an organism when farmers for 1000s of years have been using evolution to do just that.
bambu;4686749 said:@Whar....
This post illustrates your ignorance on the topic of evolution.....
Cabbage did not "evolve" into the other vegetables that you mentioned......
cabbage, Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower, and Kale are genetic modifications of of the same species (Brassica oleracea)......
The plants are selected for desirable characteristics that can be maintained by propagation......
This is no different than the hybridization of cannabis.....
Several genetic variations.....
However, no new species.... let alone "proof" of evolution.....
Silly Europeans......
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BiblicalAtheist
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Clout tho?
Gene map proves platypus is part bird, mammal and reptile
By Rohan Sullivan, Associated Press
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/genetics/2008-05-08-platypus-genetic-map_N.htm
SYDNEY, Australia — Scientists said they have mapped the genetic makeup of the platypus — one of nature's strangest animals with a bill like a duck's, a mammal's fur and snake-like venom.
The researchers, whose analysis of the platypus genome was published Thursday in the journal Nature, said it could help explain how mammals, including humans, evolved from reptiles millions of years ago.
The platypus is classed as a mammal because it has fur and feeds its young with milk. It flaps a beaver-like tail. But it also has bird and reptile features — a duck-like bill and webbed feet, and lives mostly underwater. Males have venom-filled spurs on their heels.
"At first glance, the platypus appears as if it was the result of an evolutionary accident," said Francis S. Collins, director of the U.S. National Human Genome Research Institute, which funded the study.
"But as weird as this animal looks, its genome sequence is priceless for understanding how mammalian biological processes evolved," Collins said in a statement.
The research showed the animal's multifaceted features are reflected in its DNA with a mix of genes that crosses different classifications of animals, said Jenny Graves, an Australian National University genomics expert who co-wrote the paper.
"What we found was the genome, just like the animal, is an amazing amalgam of reptilian and mammal characteristics with quite a few unique platypus characteristics as well," she told the Australian Broadcasting Corp.
Scientists believe all mammals evolved from reptiles, and the animals that became platypuses and those that became humans shared an evolutionary path until about 165 million years ago when the platypus branched off. Unlike other evolving mammals, the platypus retained characteristics of snakes and lizards, including the pain-causing poison that males can use to ward off mating rivals, Graves said.
More than 100 scientists from the United States, Australia, Japan and other nations took part in the research, using DNA collected from a female platypus named Glennie.
Their work adds to the growing list of animals whose genetic makeup has been unraveled.
By comparing platypus genes to those of humans and other mammals, scientists hope to fill in gaps in knowledge about mammals' evolution and better identify certain species' specific traits.
Des Cooper, an evolutionary biologist at the University of New South Wales who did not take part in the research, said it represented a big step forward in the world's knowledge of mammals.
"Platypuses are often thought of as primitive because they lay eggs," Cooper said. "This paper demonstrates there is a mixture of characters, which they share with other mammals, and of highly specialized attributes."
Graves said the research contained some surprises, such as the conclusion that genes which determine sex in a platypus are similar to those of a bird, not a mammal. Researchers also found genes that indicate platypuses — which rely on electrosensory receptors in their bills to navigate as they rummage with closed eyes in waterways — may also be able to smell underwater.
Unique to Australia, the platypus has confounded observers for centuries. Aboriginal legend explained it as the offspring of a duck and an amorous water rat. When the British Museum received its first specimen in 1798, zoologist George Shaw was so dubious he tried to cut the pelt with scissors to make sure the bill had not been stitched on by a taxidermist.
Platypuses live in the wild along most of Australia's east coast. Their numbers are not accurately known because they are notoriously shy. Hunted for years for their pelts, they have been protected since the early 1900s and are not considered to be endangered, though scientists say their habitat is vulnerable to human development.
By Rohan Sullivan, Associated Press
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/genetics/2008-05-08-platypus-genetic-map_N.htm
SYDNEY, Australia — Scientists said they have mapped the genetic makeup of the platypus — one of nature's strangest animals with a bill like a duck's, a mammal's fur and snake-like venom.
The researchers, whose analysis of the platypus genome was published Thursday in the journal Nature, said it could help explain how mammals, including humans, evolved from reptiles millions of years ago.
The platypus is classed as a mammal because it has fur and feeds its young with milk. It flaps a beaver-like tail. But it also has bird and reptile features — a duck-like bill and webbed feet, and lives mostly underwater. Males have venom-filled spurs on their heels.
"At first glance, the platypus appears as if it was the result of an evolutionary accident," said Francis S. Collins, director of the U.S. National Human Genome Research Institute, which funded the study.
"But as weird as this animal looks, its genome sequence is priceless for understanding how mammalian biological processes evolved," Collins said in a statement.
The research showed the animal's multifaceted features are reflected in its DNA with a mix of genes that crosses different classifications of animals, said Jenny Graves, an Australian National University genomics expert who co-wrote the paper.
"What we found was the genome, just like the animal, is an amazing amalgam of reptilian and mammal characteristics with quite a few unique platypus characteristics as well," she told the Australian Broadcasting Corp.
Scientists believe all mammals evolved from reptiles, and the animals that became platypuses and those that became humans shared an evolutionary path until about 165 million years ago when the platypus branched off. Unlike other evolving mammals, the platypus retained characteristics of snakes and lizards, including the pain-causing poison that males can use to ward off mating rivals, Graves said.
More than 100 scientists from the United States, Australia, Japan and other nations took part in the research, using DNA collected from a female platypus named Glennie.
Their work adds to the growing list of animals whose genetic makeup has been unraveled.
By comparing platypus genes to those of humans and other mammals, scientists hope to fill in gaps in knowledge about mammals' evolution and better identify certain species' specific traits.
Des Cooper, an evolutionary biologist at the University of New South Wales who did not take part in the research, said it represented a big step forward in the world's knowledge of mammals.
"Platypuses are often thought of as primitive because they lay eggs," Cooper said. "This paper demonstrates there is a mixture of characters, which they share with other mammals, and of highly specialized attributes."
Graves said the research contained some surprises, such as the conclusion that genes which determine sex in a platypus are similar to those of a bird, not a mammal. Researchers also found genes that indicate platypuses — which rely on electrosensory receptors in their bills to navigate as they rummage with closed eyes in waterways — may also be able to smell underwater.
Unique to Australia, the platypus has confounded observers for centuries. Aboriginal legend explained it as the offspring of a duck and an amorous water rat. When the British Museum received its first specimen in 1798, zoologist George Shaw was so dubious he tried to cut the pelt with scissors to make sure the bill had not been stitched on by a taxidermist.
Platypuses live in the wild along most of Australia's east coast. Their numbers are not accurately known because they are notoriously shy. Hunted for years for their pelts, they have been protected since the early 1900s and are not considered to be endangered, though scientists say their habitat is vulnerable to human development.
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The True Flesh
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You know how desperate sh*t like this makes these anti creationists look. After months of moronic regurgitation they come up with the platypus as a creature that is in transition between classes. ABSOUTELY NOTHING IN THE FOSSIL RECORD SUPPORTS THIS !!! a platypus has always been a platypus. where's ANY other stage in it's transition in the fossil record? why is this creature stuck in transition and no other creature is?
Your propaganda is of the weakest variety.......sorriest i've seen on the IC in years.
*no corny Obama pic needed post*
PEACE
Your propaganda is of the weakest variety.......sorriest i've seen on the IC in years.
*no corny Obama pic needed post*
PEACE
The True Flesh;5182660 said:
Wrong again.
Monotremes are evolved from reptiles, emerging around 285 million years ago as mammal-like. These creatures were, like monotremes today, small, mostly nocturnal, and still laid eggs. These animals are represented today not only by the platypus, but the echidna as well.
We have fossils of Steropodontidae, ancestors of the platypus, from the cretaceous period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steropodon
I dont know why you're asking for fossil records when all you do is deny it when it's provided. Like I said, you need a new angle.
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bambu;5185759 said:
The entire creation theory is based on assumptions and speculation. Unlike evolution, there is no hard evidence to support it. The fact that True Flesh even asked for fossil evidence, and along with your cosignature, implies that you trust the fossil records. The fossil records, though, point to evolution, not I.d.. When this is shown to you, you conclude that the fossil and DNA records have been falsified, suggesting that we cannot trust scientists. But then you say that one day the truth will be unveiled with the same science and by the same scientists you claim cannot be trusted. Covering your eyes and ears from the truth is not productive.
whar;5188391 said:Bambu's ability to resist bullshit borders on a super-power.....good look
Roots Oceanic ;5188784 said:
FIXED.....
LOL....
Yall niggas gonna learn bout running up on me with that stupid shit......
I'll make you famous.....
Roots Oceanic ;5188784 said:But...But...
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