Anti-Creationists......time to speak your clout

[bambu]

@Whar.....

Double down on this.....

Drosophila is a type species dumbass.....

Ol let me front like I'm NYC, but I'm really from Brooklyn Alabama......Head ass nigga......

"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally

mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the

simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in

turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental

abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched

wings, duplicated bristles, etc.6 Such malformations hardly

inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged

evolutionary change."

 

[bambu]

Bambu would you please stop screwing up something as simple as genus and species. It is one thing to argue interpretation of evidence but to get simple facts and definitions wrong is embarrassing. I get you made a mistake and that is fine but you should have the basic intellectual honesty to admit it and get back to defending your actual point rather double down on this simple mistake.

He's a lame whose addiction to i.d. theory wont allow him to man up and admit he's wrong

mojavensis: species: Drosophila

arizonae: species: Drosophila

Drosophila is a genus of small flies

LOL!!

@Whar...

For the 10th time......

In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....

Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis

Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae

"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."

"In zoological nomenclature, the type of a species (or subspecies) is a specimen (or series of specimens), the type of a genus (or subgenus) is a species, and the type of a suprageneric taxon (e.g., family, etc.) is a genus. Names higher than superfamily rank do not have types."

LOL @ you herbs.....

 

[bambu]

I'm out this bitch I'll pick up in the AM

Bring your new species faggot.....

Watch y'all niggas run from the genetic evidence......

And argue semantics instead......

 

[Bodhi]

You said they were already seperate species tho'

the insects are in the early stages of diverging into separate species.

The emergence of a new species - speciation - occurs when distinct populations of a species stop reproducing with one another.

When the two groups can no longer interbreed, they cease exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways becoming separate species

interbreeding

present participle of in·ter·breed (Verb)Verb:

1.(of an animal) Breed with another of a different species.

In the wild, Drosophila mojavensis and Drosophila arizonae rarely, if ever, interbreed - even though their geographical ranges overlap.

when Drosophila arizonae females mate with Drosphila mojavensis males, the resulting males are sterile.

Laura Reed maintains that such limited capacity for interbreeding indicates that the two groups are on the verge of becoming completely separate species.

Because the hybrid male's sterility depends on the mother's genes, the researchers say the genetic change must be recent.

Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

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"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally

mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the

simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in

turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental

abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched

wings, duplicated bristles, etc. Such malformations hardly

inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged

evolutionary change."

We're talking about speciation, not deformed eyes, notched wings or duplicated bristles. There's a big difference:

Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

A genetic change that is the cause of speciation is a genetic change that prevents one species from interbreeding with another and producing fertile offspring.

 

[Bodhi]

Kingdom: Animalia

Phylum: Arthropoda

Class: Insecta

Order: Diptera

Family: Drosophilidae

Tribe: Drosophilini

Subtribe: Drosophilina

Infratribe: Drosophiliti

Genus: Drosophila

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila

Drosophila is a genus of small flies, belonging to the family Drosophilidae, whose members are often called "fruit flies" or (less frequently) pomace flies, vinegar flies, or wine flies, a reference to the characteristic of many species to linger around overripe or rotting fruit.

^^ I'll finish that up for you.

Species:

From the wikipedia link you provided:

One species of Drosophila in particular, D. melanogaster, has been heavily used in research in genetics and is a common model organism in developmental biology.

pilot is to plane as conductor is to train

Panthera (genus) is to lion a.k.a. panthera leo (species) and tiger a.k.a. panthera tigris (species) as Drosophila (genus) is to mojavensis (species) and arizonae (species)

 

[Bodhi]

I don't play around nor do I fuck around.....

Deep concentration, cuz I'm no comedian

Jokers are wild if you wanna be tamed

I treat you like a child then you're gonna be named

Another enemy, not even a friend of me

Cuz you'll get fried in the end when you pretend to be

Competin' cuz I just put your mind on pause

But soon you start to suffer, the tune'll get rougher

When you start to stutter that's when you had enuff of

Biting, it'll make you choke, you can't provoke

You can't cope, you should've broke because I ain't no joke

You like to exaggerate, dream and imaginate

Then change the rhyme around, that can aggravate me

So when you see me come up, freeze

 

[Bodhi]

In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....

Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis

Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae

Genus: Panthera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera

^^^

Species: Panthera Leo (lion)

Species: Panthera Onca (jaguar)

Species: Panthera Pardus (leopard)

Species: Panthera Tigris (tiger) >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus

(If you go up from species to genus to subfam to fam, to order, and so on, you can track the evolutionary process, for example:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantherinae,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae, and there's a nice graph for you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliformia)

likewise

Genus: Drosophila
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila

^^^

Species: Mojavensis

Species: Melanogaster

Species: Immigrans

Species: Simulans

Species: Funebris

Species: Subobscura >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus

Drosophila is a type species dumbass.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila

Click the link, look on the right side of the screen under the image of repleta. It gives you the scientific classification of Drosophila. Under that, you'll see a link that says type species (don't click it; look below the link). As an example of species, wikipedia listed Musca Funebris. If you click the name M. Funebris, you are taken to a page that reads:

Drosophila funebris is a species of fruit fly. It was originally described by Johan Christian Fabricius in 1787, and placed in the genus Musca but is now the type species of the paraphyletic genus Drosophila.

Funebris is the type species, Drosophila is the genus

 

[Bodhi]

 

[bambu]

For the LAST time......

In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....

Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis

Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae

"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."

"In zoological nomenclature, the type of a species (or subspecies) is a specimen (or series of specimens), the type of a genus (or subgenus) is a species, and the type of a suprageneric taxon (e.g., family, etc.) is a genus. Names higher than superfamily rank do not have types."

LOL @ you herbs.....

I knew you were a punk-ass white boy......

Thanks for the confirmation ........

Play semantics with @Whar, crakker......

And keep hiding from reality.......

"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally

mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the

simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in

turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental

abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched

wings, duplicated bristles, etc.6 Such malformations hardly

inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged

evolutionary change."

 

[bambu]

Moving on....

“This concept of ‘junk DNA’ is really not accurate. It is an outdated metaphor,” said Richard Myers of the HudsonAlpha Institute for Biotechnology in Alabama.

‘Junk DNA’ concept debunked by new analysis of human genome.

 

[Bodhi]

Read my last four posts again, @bambu and let that shit burn slowly

I knew you were a punk-ass white boy......

I have European heritage...

http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-to-put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is-rnr/p1

seems as if you are the white boy @bambu

Haha.. Do you hate yourself? Do you cry at night?

 

[Bodhi]

Pay close attention, duke. I'm giving you this lesson for free

For the LAST time......

In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....

Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis

Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae

"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."

"In zoological nomenclature, the type of a species (or subspecies) is a specimen (or series of specimens), the type of a genus (or subgenus) is a species, and the type of a suprageneric taxon (e.g., family, etc.) is a genus. Names higher than superfamily rank do not have types."

Genus: Panthera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera

^^^

Species: Panthera Leo (lion)

Species: Panthera Onca (jaguar)

Species: Panthera Pardus (leopard)

Species: Panthera Tigris (tiger) >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus

likewise

Genus: Drosophila
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila

^^^

Species: Mojavensis

Species: Melanogaster

Species: Immigrans

Species: Simulans

Species: Funebris

Species: Subobscura >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila

Click the link, look on the right side of the screen under the image of repleta. It gives you the scientific classification of Drosophila. Under that, you'll see a link that says type species (don't click it; look below the link). As an example of species, wikipedia listed Musca Funebris. If you click the name M. Funebris, you are taken to a page that reads:

Drosophila funebris is a species of fruit fly. It was originally described by Johan Christian Fabricius in 1787, and placed in the genus Musca but is now the type species of the paraphyletic genus Drosophila.

Funebris is the type species, Drosophila is the genus

"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally

mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the

simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in

turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental

abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched

wings, duplicated bristles, etc. Such malformations hardly

inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged

evolutionary change."

We're talking about speciation, not deformed eyes, notched wings or duplicated bristles. There's a big difference:

Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

A genetic change that is the cause of speciation is a genetic change that prevents one species from interbreeding with another and producing fertile offspring.

 

[Bodhi]

 

[bambu]

Read my last four posts again, @bambu and let that shit burn slowly

I knew you were a punk-ass white boy......

I have European heritage...

http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-to-put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is-rnr/p1

seems as if you are the white boy @bambu

Haha.. Do you hate yourself? Do you cry at night?

LOL...

Look at this faggot, diggin thru posts from the old IC trying to find salt.....

I have no hang ups about my heritage bitch....

If you must know, my ancestral background is similar to Obama's....

So while I do have European heritage....

I am an African-American....

Nice try sissy....

But we are talking about the observance of a new species, not evolutionary jargon describing mating preferences that are manipulated by researchers....

Again....

Ole let me dig up some dirt so I can run from the truth.... Head ass nigga

 

[Bodhi]

I have European heritage...

....a punk-ass white boy......

 

[Bodhi]

Ignorant ass bitch. Obama is half European. LOL @ the white man calling me a "punk-ass white boy" and the catch is....

Spoiler

I'm not white! LOL

You're right, boy, we are talking about observance of a new species; at least I am, so why do you keep bringing up the same bullshit? I'm not running from a god damn thing, especially not a lame like yourself. Ha! You wish you were black. If you would get off your high horse and cut the racism out of your bullshit spirituality, it wouldn't be so easy to make you look like a fucking idiot. I didn't scavenger hunt that shit. I just... happened to come across it. You didn't have to bring race into this debate. I didn't ask you to.

 

[whar]

You ask for examples of new species being observed evolving. You have been given almost a dozen. You have now made an argument misusing type species to claim the genus is actually the species. This is wrong.

This is the quote where you made a simple mistake.

"Stupid nigga....

wolf: species: canis lupus

domestic dog: species: Canis lupus: subspecies: Canis lupus familiaris



Drosophila mojavensis species: Drosophila

Drosophila arizonae species: Drosophila



In both examples there is only one species........

Smart/Dumb nigga......"

It this post you spun the argument into the realm of definitions. You first correctly list wolves under the species C lupus and domestic dog under C lupus familaris, the same species for each C lupus. For completeness the grey wolf is actually C lupus lupus if you include the variation levels as we did with domestic dogs.

Then you incorrectly lists 2 different species of Drosophila under the same species. Which you identify as the Genus rather than the specie name. You the drift into defending your position by misapplying the concept of type species which is used to define a Genus. It does not mean everything in a Genus is the same species.

Do you now acknowledge that D mojavensis and D arizonae are two different species with in the genus Drosophila?

 

[bambu]

LOL....

@West Brooklyn Alabama....

Obama is half European and considered the 1st African American president.......

we are talking about observance of a new species; at least I am,

You have been saying that D mojavensis and D arizonae provides proof of evolution or the observation of a new species....

O.K. which species is new or evolved from another?????

Ha! You wish you were black

I'm not white or red or black, I'm brown......

LOL @ Jaded following my activity like a little bitch.....

You also see the way I shut that thread down too......

You got one right fella, you deserve a check

How did you know, you must have been jocking

How else would you know the places i be rocking?

Don't follow me fella, every move that i make

I'm hostile now so i'll give you a break

Research upon me but don't go past the limit

Here's my card and on the back you'll see my fan club digits

Do you now acknowledge that D mojavensis and D arizonae are two different species with in the genus Drosophila?

"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."

Instead of harping on a semantics argument....

Let's focus on research that exposes your theory of evolution.....

Which fails without "junk DNA"....

Moving on....

“This concept of ‘junk DNA’ is really not accurate. It is an outdated metaphor,” said Richard Myers of the HudsonAlpha Institute for Biotechnology in Alabama.

‘Junk DNA’ concept debunked by new analysis of human genome.

"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally

mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the

simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in

turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental

abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched

wings, duplicated bristles, etc.6 Such malformations hardly

inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged

evolutionary change."

 

[whar]

The type species of Drosophila is D funebris but the concept of type species has nothing to do with the question.

Do you now acknowledge that D mojavensis and D arizonae are two different species with in the genus Drosophila?

 

[bambu]

Drosophila funebris is a species of fruit fly. It was originally described by Johan Christian Fabricius in 1787, and placed in the genus Musca but is now the type species of the paraphyletic genus Drosophila.....

"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."