Am I delusional for thinking Victor Ortiz has more than a shot to beat Mayweather?!

[joeyfkncrakk]

unless Ortiz consistenly connects on Floyd(which 41 fighters have tried and have all failed)...i dont see him winning this fight

and can we stop wit the PBF-tyson/RJJ comparisons.....unlike the latter PBF actually continues to PRACTICE his craft as he gets older and Tyson & Jones regressed and got too caught up in the fame and fortune and figured they can just show up against anyone(plus wasn't Jones all over the place switchin up weight classes and shit)....everyone talks about his cockyness but IMO PBF is grounded and knows what got him to where he is...and it wasnt his mouth

understandable... still doesnt matter for either fighter.. whoever doesnt show up will get beat the fuq up... Yeah the odds are in Floyd's favor but for how long.. we shall see.. I still think Victor Ortiz is a star in the making but Im a stop talking now on what ifs.. I'm ready for the fight now bruh..

 

[KingJamal]

I think people are forgetting Floyd's Number 1 ability

And that is his ability to adapt to different fighters

 

[Poster#19]

I think people are forgetting Floyd's Number 1 ability

And that is his ability to adapt to different fighters

I don't think it's a question of how Floyd adapts to different fighters nowadays, it's how does he adapt to being and elder in the ring. 34 is long in the tooth in boxing years, regardless of how small the amount of punches Floyd has taken. Lay off after lay off, starts to take a toll on your body. I don't think that Ortiz beats Floyd, unless he's throwing punches while father time holds Floyd. I see Floyd as 55% Roy and 45% B-hop. Hopefully he will prove me wrong. Floyd has always been much more dependent on his legs than B-Hop has been. If I see Floyd in there sitting down on punches, slipping return fire, sliding to the right and left, and firing back 1 or two shots, then that spells bad knews for the rest of the welterweight division.

 

[sTaY_TrUe]

I think people are forgetting Floyd's Number 1 ability

And that is his ability to adapt to different fighters

They'll be reminded next sat. Same shit, different fight

 

[bull6599]

I remember when I thought Roy Jones would never lose. It's gonna happen sometime.

I dont know why anyone compares Roy to Floyd at all the only thing they have in common is dominance.. the how.. and the why is very different.. and you cant draw anything from Roys career and apply it to Floyd

I SMH evrytime I hear someone say that so I'm glad u pointed it out. While Roy Jones was a freak of nature in his prime and quite possibly the greatest pure athlete I've ever seen in the ring, his technique & ring smarts where NOWHERE near Floyd's.

 

[birdcallaveli]

everyone who thinks money mayweather is gonna lose - i have some coke to sell you for the low. ignore the fact that its in a bottle that says johnson & johnson baby powder, thats just to throw off the feds.

 

[Poster#19]

I SMH evrytime I hear someone say that so I'm glad u pointed it out. While Roy Jones was a freak of nature in his prime and quite possibly the greatest pure athlete I've ever seen in the ring, his technique & ring smarts where NOWHERE near Floyd's.

The comparison is not always directly linked to fighting styles. More times than not it's the elevated statuses that Roy had and Floyd has. The level of both attained during their runs, and the general public's consensus, that neither could be beat. A time will come when Floyd no longer looks like the Floyd many of you know and love. It happens to all the greats, Ali, Leonard, Ray Robinson, and many more. At one point, it looked like no one would ever be able to beat Pernell Whitaker up, and then the Trinidad fight happened. I don't know if it happens this fight, but it will happened.

All the folks saying it's crazy to think that Ortiz can win, I question your understanding of the sport. All it takes is one punch to take a fighter's wits from him, for more than a few rounds. I'm ready to see the fight now baby, lets get it on.

 

[playmaker88]

If you rely on that one punch.. you will be shark food.. .. Look at the technical ability and Moneys compubox numbers.. of course anything can happne.. but.. wishing 'pon a star is not how you want to try to win.

 

[FlyFreeCt]

Like I said before, I can't fuckin stand Floyd but he's gonna punish Ortiz for 12 rounds....Ortiz might win a round or 2 early but he'll lose by a landslide...Unanimous Decision, no doubt...Floyd is too skilled for that boy...He won't get caught slippin cuz he knows Ortiz's power...Way too tactical for this young boy...I wanna see Floyd lose just as much as the next nigga, but it won't happen against Ortiz..

 

[Poster#19]

If you rely on that one punch.. you will be shark food.. .. Look at the technical ability and Moneys compubox numbers.. of course anything can happne.. but.. wishing 'pon a star is not how you want to try to win.

I give Ortiz a little bit more than a punchers chance. Ortiz needs to take only foward steps, of course while also cutting off the ring intelligently, and work the body like crazy early on. If he's gonna go up top, I think it needs to be left hands coming after a jab. He's gotta throw combinations, because one punch won't get it done. I don't think Floyd can hurt him, because I haven't seen Floyd hurt a natural welterweight yet. If Ortiz doesn't get frustrated with Floyd's defense, and his team comes in with an intelligent gameplan that he sticks to, then he is capable of having great success against Floyd.

 

[bull6599]

I give Ortiz a little bit more than a punchers chance. Ortiz needs to take only foward steps, of course while also cutting off the ring intelligently, and work the body like crazy early on. If he's gonna go up top, I think it needs to be left hands coming after a jab. He's gotta throw combinations, because one punch won't get it done. I don't think Floyd can hurt him, because I haven't seen Floyd hurt a natural welterweight yet. If Ortiz doesn't get frustrated with Floyd's defense, and his team comes in with an intelligent gameplan that he sticks to, then he is capable of having great success against Floyd.

Coming to the ring w/ only 1 gameplan against Floyd is a surefire way to lose...especially if u stick to the same thing after he adjust to it & takes away what ur trying to do. He's proven this time & time again. Ortiz leaves himself open as is so consistently throwing combonations in which Floyd will probably roll the majority of punches increses his chances of being countered. And it's gonna be rather hard to throw left's after that jab w/ Floyd shooting return right hand counters over the top before Ortiz can even pull it back. Of course he has a chance...but I just don't see it.

 

[MR.CJ]

i could see floyd retiring after this fight

 

[Poster#19]

Coming to the ring w/ only 1 gameplan against Floyd is a surefire way to lose...especially if u stick to the same thing after he adjust to it & takes away what ur trying to do. He's proven this time & time again. Ortiz leaves himself open as is so consistently throwing combonations in which Floyd will probably roll the majority of punches increses his chances of being countered. And it's gonna be rather hard to throw left's after that jab w/ Floyd shooting return right hand counters over the top before Ortiz can even pull it back. Of course he has a chance...but I just don't see it.

I think the left has to come immediately after the jab for Ortiz. Combinations to the body early on, not all upstairs. Beat on his arms, and get him to open up a few clean shots down stairs, to slow him down late. If he's countering over the jab, feint and throw the straight left to the body. Feint that straight to the body, and come up stairs with the right hook. All of this is easier said than done, but he has to atleast try.

 

[Bcotton5]

I give Ortiz a little bit more than a punchers chance. Ortiz needs to take only foward steps, of course while also cutting off the ring intelligently, and work the body like crazy early on. If he's gonna go up top, I think it needs to be left hands coming after a jab. He's gotta throw combinations, because one punch won't get it done. I don't think Floyd can hurt him, because I haven't seen Floyd hurt a natural welterweight yet. If Ortiz doesn't get frustrated with Floyd's defense, and his team comes in with an intelligent gameplan that he sticks to, then he is capable of having great success against Floyd.

you say cut off the ring like Floyd is gonna be backing away from him, I dont know if people pay attention or not but the last fight Floyd fought like that was De La Hoya because of the weight difference and he respected his power

Floyd walks all his opponents down

 

[MR.CJ]

some people are comparing this fight to jones/tarver

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

I give Ortiz a little bit more than a punchers chance. Ortiz needs to take only foward steps, of course while also cutting off the ring intelligently, and work the body like crazy early on. If he's gonna go up top, I think it needs to be left hands coming after a jab. He's gotta throw combinations, because one punch won't get it done. I don't think Floyd can hurt him, because I haven't seen Floyd hurt a natural welterweight yet. If Ortiz doesn't get frustrated with Floyd's defense, and his team comes in with an intelligent gameplan that he sticks to, then he is capable of having great success against Floyd.

C/s this guy... with only 100 posts he has shown unbiased analysis ... ur cool with me bruh

 

[ethos]

Ortiz will be KO'd between rounds 6-9

 

[Poster#19]

you say cut off the ring like Floyd is gonna be backing away from him, I dont know if people pay attention or not but the last fight Floyd fought like that was De La Hoya because of the weight difference and he respected his power

Floyd walks all his opponents down

If Ortiz was to fight the way I think he should, by throwing combos to the body and feints, Floyd is not going to just stand there, and trade. You throw combos at Floyd, and he has a tendency to back away, just like against Oscar. Of course, Oscar was just throwing punches to try to influence the judges and rack points. An older Oscar that had long since faded from past glory. Ortiz is a young hungry lion though. When he throws punches, he intends to hurt you. Floyd is great at slipping shots after he has got off first, or the guy in front of him is content on throwing one punch at a time. You put the pressure on Floyd though, he gets a little uncomfortable and throws that forearm and elbow in your face, whilst backing up. Ortiz is bigger than Floyd, so I expect him to try and impose his strength on him.

On another note, I was just watching Floyd- Judah again, and man did Floyd look good in that fight. Maginficent body work, and defense. HBO annoucers nuthugged Judah early, but Floyd won atleast 2 of those first for rounds. anyways...

 

[Poster#19]

C/s this guy... with only 100 posts he has shown unbiased analysis ... ur cool with me bruh

Appreciate that my dude.

 

[dmv_use2thewait]

What i think most people don't see about Floyd is that in the boxing ring, dude is probably the MOST humble fighter out right now. As i was telling my girl, who can't stand him, that it takes a certain level of humility to train as hard as Floyd does. He'll make you think he doesn't respect who we is fighting but watch when he cracks a joke about them, you can tell he's been watching tape and studying his opponent thoroughly. I was also telling her about how he'll just get up at 3-4 in the a.m. when niggas is sleep and wake everybody up to go running and training. Who does that? You've already trained probably twice that day already. If he was that cocky and arrogant then he would most likely say "shit, i done trained enough already, i can beat him in my sleep" Floyd has more humility than he lets off and its obvious, especially when it comes to boxing. You gotta watch people's actions and not what they say out their mouth. He's just a showmen.