Yeezus Kardashian Album Thread (6.18)

[usmarin3]

Like i said, if Will.i.am made this album you niggas would crucify and clown the living daylight out of him. It's Yeezy so everything is good now.lol

 

[TheBossman]

Y'all think I'm Stanning, check this out
http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=475017

Hysterical

fam, first thing i see when i click that link is...

quoted from "captain wiener"

rejoice and join the church of hold my liquor, god is hold my liquor

and hold my liquor is god

SOTY

SOTD

SOTC

SOTM

SONG OF LIFE

SOL

solidified classic

all because king keef blessed the track

you cant be serious.

 

[CJ]

Lol I don't get why niggas like "they forcing themselves to like it" maybe they just like it

Get over it

 

[georgia boi]

I wonder how you niggas would have received all of these "hipster" "white people" reviews had them shits been negative ...lol .... The bias is too easy to read in some of y'all's post ... All you gotta say is ..that's coo they think such n such ... I don't agree ... And leave it at that..But niggas gotta go all out of their way to find some cop out excuse or rationalization as to why the albums getting good reviews .... That makes niggas arguments seem mad desperate and as if you gotta grasp for straws since you don't have any confidence in your own opinions..

This is kind of a contradiction. You responded to me because I was saying that a mock up review was overblown, yet you are trying to dictate how people are negatively responding to the album.

The bolded statement could also apply to people who think positively of the album. There's post in here disagreeing with people who don't think so positively of the album. Instead of saying "I disagree", they are posting reviews to negate the statement. It's the exact same thing that you are speaking against. They are passing off reviews (professional opinions, but still an opinion) as fact.

People who like the album are also going out of their way to rationalize why people don't like the album.

 

[DNB1]

Y'all think I'm Stanning, check this out
http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=475017

Hysterical

smh...that's the worst song on the album...

 

[za'kiss]

Like i said, if Will.i.am made this album you niggas would crucify and clown the living daylight out of him. It's Yeezy so everything is good now.lol

This just doesn't make any sense man. For starters, I don't see how - or more importantly why - will.i.am would make an album like this. I don't see him taking up issues of Black identity the same way as Kanye, flippin' Nina Simone and ironically juxtaposing the lyrics about black lynchings with lyrics about the modern failings of superficial black relationships, or drawing on 80s Chicago house as a musical touchstone. It doesn't make sense for will.i.am to make an album like this. It just doesn't fit in his musical lane and personality, aside from some of the dance-beat touches.

Secondly, if will.i.am made this album, it would still be good, but it's also true that it wouldn't be as good. I wouldn't crucify him for it, but there's no way an album like this coming from will.i.am could mean the same thing as it does for Kanye West at this point in his career. But that's no blind prejudice against will.i.am. He's been making whack music for years, but if he put out an album out like this, I'd give him his props, plain and simple. Just the same, if will.i.am sat down and produced My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, good kid, m.A.A.d city, or Control System, I'd have to give the man some respect, musically. But don't you see how ridiculous that sounds? He would never make any of those albums. It just wouldn't make sense for him too. And if he did, it just wouldn't mean the same thing. He didn't go through those experiences that inform these albums. The lyrical content would be inauthentic, devoid of its connection to the artist, and made completely irrelevant. Those albums just ain't him.

 

[Purr]

What transition issues are people talking about? All of the songs fit the vibe, even the more awkward ones. One song ends, the other begins? They're all minimalist with multiple layers and change ups. You wanted skits?

I'm speaking in technical terms in the simplest form that everyone can understand.

however, the transitions are sloppy. what I mean by that that there are no smooth transition from one beat to the other, you can hear how he speed or slow down the beat to force the rhythm to blend with the original beat he was playing in the song.

there's not really much harmonics or melodies that pleases the ear, especially with the songs "I am god" and "on sight" from a technical standpoint based on the production.

there is nothing minimalist abouy having multiple layers in a song. that's a contradiction like a scottish-korean.

change-ups are considered transitions.

skits has nothing to do with what you you were trying to convey in your first sentence. however, skits are apart of hip hop; not everyone needs them; they are usually fillers.

 

[Purr]

smh.

this thread shows me who is musically incline and who just listen for the beat to drop.

not a terrible album because there are few gems. however, its very sloppy musically, the blends are horrible to the transition to the beat.

those mags are filled with hipster writers who think "new" shit is interesting.

this album isn't innovative, refreshing, or new. its mentally tiring to hear and dechiper because of the chaos he is going through personally.

What you don't like a out the transitions chuck? I mean I ge you think they are sloppy and all but how do you mean? And how could they have been done different?

musically the transition doesn't make sense. as in the original song plays then another song jumps in and your ears are like wtf.

there are no smooth transition in most songs on this album.

you can definitely tell that it was rushed, with no true direction, no new thought due to his repeated lyrics, rhyme structure, and flow.

he need more time.

well he's been working on this album since nov. sooo 9 months shouldve been enough time t o make an album .

he is now one of those artists that can take a two-three year break and work on a masterpiece for an album.

this chaotic album is a reflection o f his personal life. pretty sad shit.

I got you... What songs you talking about in particular? Or is it just the whole thing in its entirety?

the whole album. its extremely chaotic. its like listening to a schizophrenic on a record.

 

[aneed123]

Marines point is the techno video game beats will I am uses and him catering to white folk gets bashed but kanye is a "genuis" when he does it. I bash this mess just like I hated electric circus and the bullshit last danger mess mos def put out and bobs popish mess... No passes

 

[Garv*]

Wheres the powerful social commentary i was expecting?

Many of you expose your inferiority complex when talking about this albums

'Niggas be like well, you niggas should stick to your soul samples, and dj premier scratching you don't understand true art like this'

No wonder why faggotry is being ever so accepted in Rap, niggas gone soft, wanting to be fucking hipster fags with flowers in their hair, and Kanye the new leader of that movement.

Seems like I've heard this before

It isn't new.....

Did you listen to De La Soul, a Tribe Called Quest content?

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Yeah on site probably the worst song on t

What transition issues are people talking about? All of the songs fit the vibe, even the more awkward ones. One song ends, the other begins? They're all minimalist with multiple layers and change ups. You wanted skits?

I'm speaking in technical terms in the simplest form that everyone can understand.

however, the transitions are sloppy. what I mean by that that there are no smooth transition from one beat to the other, you can hear how he speed or slow down the beat to force the rhythm to blend with the original beat he was playing in the song.

there's not really much harmonics or melodies that pleases the ear, especially with the songs "I am god" and "on sight" from a technical standpoint based on the production.

there is nothing minimalist abouy having multiple layers in a song. that's a contradiction like a scottish-korean.

change-ups are considered transitions.

skits has nothing to do with what you you were trying to convey in your first sentence. however, skits are apart of hip hop; not everyone needs them; they are usually fillers.

he made the transititions like that because thats what he wanted. mike dean was tlaking about it on twitter. he mixed this album like this intentionally.

 

[Lab Baby]

Like i said, if Will.i.am made this album you niggas would crucify and clown the living daylight out of him. It's Yeezy so everything is good now.lol

This just doesn't make any sense man. For starters, I don't see how - or more importantly why - will.i.am would make an album like this. I don't see him taking up issues of Black identity the same way as Kanye, flippin' Nina Simone and ironically juxtaposing the lyrics about black lynchings with lyrics about the modern failings of superficial black relationships, or drawing on 80s Chicago house as a musical touchstone. It doesn't make sense for will.i.am to make an album like this. It just doesn't fit in his musical lane and personality, aside from some of the dance-beat touches.

Secondly, if will.i.am made this album, it would still be good, but it's also true that it wouldn't be as good. I wouldn't crucify him for it, but there's no way an album like this coming from will.i.am could mean the same thing as it does for Kanye West at this point in his career. But that's no blind prejudice against will.i.am. He's been making whack music for years, but if he put out an album out like this, I'd give him his props, plain and simple. Just the same, if will.i.am sat down and produced My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, good kid, m.A.A.d city, or Control System, I'd have to give the man some respect, musically. But don't you see how ridiculous that sounds? He would never make any of those albums. It just wouldn't make sense for him too. And if he did, it just wouldn't mean the same thing. He didn't go through those experiences that inform these albums. The lyrical content would be inauthentic, devoid of its connection to the artist, and made completely irrelevant. Those albums just ain't him.

will.i.am actually did make an album like this. (I hate myself for knowing this) The Black Eyed Peas's The End was one of the first hip hop albums that had electronic beats of that nature, sampling artists like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Adam Freeland. They had two songs speaking on consumerism and world peace (Now Generation and One Tribe, respectively). The only difference was they didn't have the lo-fi sound or the juxtaposed samples. That album got shitted on by everyone. If we can call will.i.am wack for producing that, we gotta be consistent.

 

[za'kiss]

What transition issues are people talking about? All of the songs fit the vibe, even the more awkward ones. One song ends, the other begins? They're all minimalist with multiple layers and change ups. You wanted skits?

I'm speaking in technical terms in the simplest form that everyone can understand.

however, the transitions are sloppy. what I mean by that that there are no smooth transition from one beat to the other, you can hear how he speed or slow down the beat to force the rhythm to blend with the original beat he was playing in the song.

there's not really much harmonics or melodies that pleases the ear, especially with the songs "I am god" and "on sight" from a technical standpoint based on the production.

there is nothing minimalist abouy having multiple layers in a song. that's a contradiction like a scottish-korean.

change-ups are considered transitions.

skits has nothing to do with what you you were trying to convey in your first sentence. however, skits are apart of hip hop; not everyone needs them; they are usually fillers.

The abrasive shifts in structure comes from the House influence. It's akin to a DJ abruptly changing the beat on a turntable (i.e. Chicago house). You don't always get smooth, seamless transitions in this music. Especially since this album has a robust industrial feel to it. Industrial music is antithetical to smooth transitions and fluidity. The lack of melody isn't an accident either.

And multilayered dynamics and structure isn't anti-minimalist. Check out the music from composers like Philip Glass and Steve Reich. It's very layered. What makes it minimalist is that the layers themselves are sparse, often repetitive, and stripped down in texture.

So you can call these technical failings, but if they were intentional artistic choices and people like it, then the point is moot.

 

[SheerExcellence]

this is kanye's version of john coltrane's "love supreme"

you same dudes that want nice smooth sounds and nothing jarring or mind bending, probably don't like too much avant garde music

its not for everyone

 

[ohhhla]

Everytime I listen to On Sight I can't help but laugh.

 

[thatboydizz]

the whole album. its extremely chaotic. its like listening to a schizophrenic on a record.

I'll turn the plane around yo' ass keep complainin'

 

[(ob)Scene]

And nobody caught on to Cudi & Kanye singing love ballads to each other on Guilt Trip?

"If you love me so much then why you let me go?"

Niggas actin like little kids now ... Lol

You legit don't find it ironic that Kid Cudi just left the label less than a month of two ago and he's on the album singing "if you love some me so much then why you let me go."

Obviously I was making joke of it... but if you don't see the irony in that then Yeezus' holy scepter is further down you guys throats than I thought.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

What transition issues are people talking about? All of the songs fit the vibe, even the more awkward ones. One song ends, the other begins? They're all minimalist with multiple layers and change ups. You wanted skits?

I'm speaking in technical terms in the simplest form that everyone can understand.

however, the transitions are sloppy. what I mean by that that there are no smooth transition from one beat to the other, you can hear how he speed or slow down the beat to force the rhythm to blend with the original beat he was playing in the song.

there's not really much harmonics or melodies that pleases the ear, especially with the songs "I am god" and "on sight" from a technical standpoint based on the production.

there is nothing minimalist abouy having multiple layers in a song. that's a contradiction like a scottish-korean.

change-ups are considered transitions.

skits has nothing to do with what you you were trying to convey in your first sentence. however, skits are apart of hip hop; not everyone needs them; they are usually fillers.

For a hiphop beat and for as much that goes into beats, it's minimalist, or at least reserved yet intricate. I get what you're saying, i just don't agree. Most of the songs were over well before the fade, he just let the beat ride. This is reminiscent to older records and how they once faded out very then cut off. Many tracks did end on a proper note or noise like his scream. The change up on the track doesn't need to be smooth. Consider it a drop. Changing a beat dramatically isn't new either and it fit to me.

 

[za'kiss]

will.i.am actually did make an album like this. (I hate myself for knowing this) The Black Eyed Peas's The End was one of the first hip hop albums that had electronic beats of that nature, sampling artists like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Adam Freeland. They had two songs speaking on consumerism and world peace (Now Generation and One Tribe, respectively). The only difference was they didn't have the lo-fi sound or the juxtaposed samples. That album got shitted on by everyone. If we can call will.i.am wack for producing that, we gotta be consistent.

Can't say I agree man. I've got that album and I actually like a few songs off that joint, but it's sonically a very different album from Yeezus. First of all, the album is rife with melody. There are catchy hooks, melodic singing and samples on nearly every song.

Take "Meet Me Halfway" for instance. It samples the guitar-line from the Yeah Yeah Yeahs as you mention. This ambient guitar line and dance-beat rhythm gives the song a very strong New Wave feel (Yeah Yeah Yeahs are a post-punk band which is closely aligned with New Wave). New Wave and House aren't the same, although there's also a House influence here. New Wave is far more romantic, ambient, and melodic (think The Cranberries). Yeezus draws on a more stripped down, almost tribalistic and abrasive sound. There's no melody, very little harmony, and the syncopation mostly isn't danceable. This isn't exactly a dance album, although it's very electronic.

By the way, I like "Meet Me Halfway" and other songs off this album. It's not bad. But it doesn't really sound anything like Yeezus. The only real relation is that both are influenced by electronica and synth.

 

[(ob)Scene]

The most ironic thing out of all of this though is how the defenders of this album are trying to make like the critics are close minded hip hop heads that aren't open to new experimental sounds.

When in actuality saying such a thing just goes to show that you guys are the close minded ones. There's so much fresh experimental hip hop out there right now that it's insulting to act like this album is the first to tread into that territory or that people that dislike this album aren't privy to the other stuff that's out there.