Would you agree that the south killed the essence of hip hop?

[LUClEN]

You can make sampled beats with bass, though

 

[5 Grand]

No the south didn't kill hip hop. The south may have killed the essense of what older East Coast folks made hip hop out to be in their minds tho...

Well what came first the chicken or the egg?

Did the southern sound take over because thats what people were buying, or did people start buying southern music because thats what was getting played on the radio and BET?

I'm from the East Coast and the one thing I'll concede is that Master P's Ghetto D album sounds sonically superior to anything that was coming from the East Coast in that time frame. Ghetto D had the sub-bass that Life After Death, Its Dark and Hell Is Hot, Vol 1, Vol 2 and I Am didn't have.

It Was Written had a song called Take It In Blood that had sub-bass, but the whole album didn't slap like that.

There was a 5 year span from around 97-2002 where southern producers were making hits that had that sub-bass that northern producers didn't understand. Looking back The Blueprint and Stillmatic were great albums but they would have been better with more sub-bass.

I maintain that East Coast (New York) rappers are better rappers than Southern or West Coast rappers, but sonically a lot of East Coast rap just doesn't sound as good.

The south has always been 808 (and Zap board) heavy and that goes WAY back to the DJing days.

My uncle (from Mississippi) who is damn near 50 used to DJ in the 80s and early 90s when I was a kid. He used to incorporate a lot of Nemesis (Dallas TX)


and other bass music.

We used to play a lot of it on the west coast and it influenced us too (e.g. Sir Mix A Lot - Posse On Broadway). When the west did it, we added the funk and made it mob music (e.g. old school Too Short)

Basically everyone but the East Coast was bass heavy but I don't think the East Coast really start listening until OutKast came through with SouthernPlayalisticCadillacMuzik. The East was too caught up in their own bubble of loud ass highs and little lows/bass on their tracks but the majority of the non east coast was on something else when it came to making their own hip hop/rap music.

Actually, in the mid 90s mix tapes were the new thing. DJs would pick the hottest songs from 10 different albums and yell over them with delay over the yelling. So while Southern and West Coast producers were concentrating on the 808 and the bass, East Coast mixtape DJs were making mix tapes with yelling over every song. In New York City in particular people weren't buying albums, they were buying mix tapes. Thats part of the reason that East Coast albums didn't sell like West Coast albums, people didn't want the album, they wanted a mixtape with the hottest songs from each album.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

You old niggas arguably just as bad as these young niggas smh

 

[moyo]

Threads like this dont make shit any better. All these did the South kill hip hop threads are counterproductive as fuck...

 

[deadeye]

Hip-Hop fell off when New York fell off.

Back in the day New York didn't care what any other region was doing..........they just made music for NY.

That's why you had movements like Native Tongues (Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Jungle Brothers) that created their own lane and were trying to be unique and creative instead of simply following the trend of what everybody else was doing.

Once gangsta rap took off on the West Coast, and NY saw how much more money those artists were making (NWA in particular).......the NY artists figured they could make just as much money or more because they were better lyricists.

That's when NY street rap started to take off in terms of incorporating hustling (the drug game/NY street life) into the lyrical content of the music.

It was all good when it was cats like Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang, Biggie, Jay, and Nas were doing it.

But when mediocre artists started doing it, the artform was diluted and all of those cats sounded the same in terms of their content.

I suppose the mixtape game played a part in this as well.

When the top dogs were doing it.........all good.

When everybody jumped in on it.............market saturation.

Main reason I respect D.C. and the go-go movement.

Once it started to get a little bit of mainstream/pop appeal with EU and Da Butt song, groups like Rare Essence and NorthEast took it right back into the gutter and kept it in DC.

HipHop would've definitely been better off if NY did the same thing, but it was only human nature for them to go after the money and not feel like they were missing out.

 

[KnowReasonForPeace]

Giving atist like yacthy and dex deals fucked everything up. They make the same music but as soon as a new nigga thats more outlandish with their lifestyle and looks come along. Yacthy and dex will be forgotten about. Niggas have no longevity

 

[FlightKing]

NY mainstream artists did most of the damage by selling out and going pop during the big budget era as well as times changing. Shout out to Bad Boy and the shiny suits in 97, Jay Z with the Puffy produced "In My Lifetime" in 97, Red and Meth, Eminem and his MTV/pop artist beefing while becoming the biggest rapper in the game, etc...coupled with the fact that nobody outside of NY really connected with the fact that NY rap was based on local drug dealers/NY mobsters/5 percent teachings.

The South did what we always did. New York as a whole has a massive ego that's still bruised.

BTW, a lot of that NY rap was simple as fuck too - stop overrating it.

 

[achewon87]

In short, no...

Way too many factors to place the blame on just 1 region or even break it down to 1 thing...

 

[Splackavelli]

Africa bam bottoms killed the essence and mr 5 elements krs one wont disown him. the south has been a factor in hip hop since the 80s(2live crew, gigalo tony and other south florida artist) the south been here and aint going nowhere. I hate hip hop because its a crab industry. why cant people let other niggas get some shine? why does one region have to be the dominant factor? it aint ths south fault you up norh niggas need to step your game up do you and stop sounding like the south. look at fetty wap and bobby schmurda for example and how they emulate they south. I give troy ave credit. he may be a flake but at least he tried to bring it back.

 

[lamontbdc]

not at all

 

[Koltrain]

You cant blame it on the south when some of the greatest artists in the game are from the south.

 

[Listencloser]

Puff Daddy and Ma$e where the first commercial rappers exclusively promoting materialism. NY takes the blame and that's my city

 

[moyo]

In all actuality, the "essence" of hip hop like everything else was diluted not be a region of the country, but the mainstream powers that be that infiltrated it. By us allowing the mainstream and popular culture dictate what is hot in our own culture, we let them change shit and water it down. In the 90's/early 2000's every region of the country ate and people made money by being themselves and representing where they were from and how things were in their area. As time has went on every rapper started to sound the same thanks to the corporations and the radio stations and mainstream media being the determining factor to what was hot and what our culture should look like instead of US!!! The true purveyors and overseers of the culture.

 

[LUClEN]

You guys keep talking about a lot of other stuff, though.

I'm talking about sampling being killed. We all know that a lot of it came because of the lawsuits and changes in copyright law, but we didn't see that big switch in production until the southern sound became universal.

 

[moyo]

You guys keep talking about a lot of other stuff, though.

I'm talking about sampling being killed. We all know that a lot of it came because of the lawsuits and changes in copyright law, but we didn't see that big switch in production until the southern sound became universal.

Well if thats the case then your thread title is misleading. U should have asked what happened to the art of sampling in hip-hop or what made producers go away from sampling, instead of another click bait the south ruined hip hop thread...

 

[LUClEN]

You guys keep talking about a lot of other stuff, though.

I'm talking about sampling being killed. We all know that a lot of it came because of the lawsuits and changes in copyright law, but we didn't see that big switch in production until the southern sound became universal.

Well if thats the case then your thread title is misleading. U should have asked what happened to the art of sampling in hip-hop or what made producers go away from sampling, instead of another click bait the south ruined hip hop thread...

It's not misleading at all. The OP only discusses sampling and changes in production.

 

[AggieLean.]

You guys keep talking about a lot of other stuff, though.

I'm talking about sampling being killed. We all know that a lot of it came because of the lawsuits and changes in copyright law, but we didn't see that big switch in production until the southern sound became universal.

Well if thats the case then your thread title is misleading. U should have asked what happened to the art of sampling in hip-hop or what made producers go away from sampling, instead of another click bait the south ruined hip hop thread...

Thread wouldn't have gotten hits with that title. Sucks for dude, but thread still ain't do numbers

 

[leftcoastkev]

....if that's the case....

-808 popularity in programming the beats the way you want.

-Less sample clearances needed

-Advancements in technology made it where anyone with a laptop and some apps can create beats.... including recreating the sample you wanted and avoiding the sample clearance.

Hip hop evolved with the technology and it has become arguably as synthetic as everything else. But if you're young and growing up with it NOW you think it in its current form is as real as ppl in my generation thought ours was........with our OGs thinking sampling funk and r and b tracks was synthetic and unimaginative instead of totally creating a new sound (ironically like the younger folks today have evolved it to be).

 

[trendsetta1030]

Giving atist like yacthy and dex deals fucked everything up. They make the same music but as soon as a new nigga thats more outlandish with their lifestyle and looks come along. Yacthy and dex will be forgotten about. Niggas have no longevity

NY mainstream artists did most of the damage by selling out and going pop during the big budget era as well as times changing. Shout out to Bad Boy and the shiny suits in 97, Jay Z with the Puffy produced "In My Lifetime" in 97, Red and Meth, Eminem and his MTV/pop artist beefing while becoming the biggest rapper in the game, etc...coupled with the fact that nobody outside of NY really connected with the fact that NY rap was based on local drug dealers/NY mobsters/5 percent teachings.

The South did what we always did. New York as a whole has a massive ego that's still bruised.

BTW, a lot of that NY rap was simple as fuck too - stop overrating it.

You guys keep talking about a lot of other stuff, though.

I'm talking about sampling being killed. We all know that a lot of it came because of the lawsuits and changes in copyright law, but we didn't see that big switch in production until the southern sound became universal.

Don't 4 get ny beefin wit ny 50 an his separations also help kill it the roc a fella split ruff Ryder's split dipset split

 

[deadeye]

You guys keep talking about a lot of other stuff, though.

I'm talking about sampling being killed. We all know that a lot of it came because of the lawsuits and changes in copyright law, but we didn't see that big switch in production until the southern sound became universal.

@Lucien

You need to change the thread title then.

Sampling being killed and the South killing hiphop are 2 separate issues.