Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

[jaxn]

Cap is not in Wolverine's class, but Logan and Spidey are in the same class, Spidey can't put logan down, Logan could easily put Spidey down

incorrect. Cap and Logan are in the same class. Hell Cap most likely is superior than Wolverine except in durability. Spidey is above them both by far

 

[TheManInBlack4.0]

"However, according to Marvel Wolverine, Power Man, and Spider-Man all have a strength level of 4 out of 7."

I don't know how credible the Marvel Wikia is but they cite Marvel's official statistics.

Keep in mind that Wolverine lugs around an admantium skeleton which enables him to have super human strength.

Technically.

 

[Bcotton5]

Nah Spiderman is stronger than him by a pretty good amount.

Plus Wolverine has nothing that can fuck with his spidersense

 

[jaxn]

"However, according to Marvel Wolverine, Power Man, and Spider-Man all have a strength level of 4 out of 7."

I don't know how credible the Marvel Wikia is but they cite Marvel's official statistics.

Keep in mind that Wolverine lugs around an admantium skeleton which enables him to have super human strength.

Technically.

Spiderman is CL 10 - CL 20 in strength. He is far faster and more agile than Wolverine. He can literally dance around Wolverine without being touched if he wanted. Logan is nowhere near Spiderman's level in strength nor speed.. Logan isn't necessarily stronger than Captain America. They're in the same strength class with Cap having the edge imo. Only thing Wolverine has over the others is his healing factor and durability thanks to his adamantium lacing. IIRC, he's now lost his healing factor. Marvel Wiki isn't that credible. You can use it for a basic understanding of the characters but I wouldn't use their stats. I'd go with whats shown in the books.

 

[TheManInBlack4.0]

"However, according to Marvel Wolverine, Power Man, and Spider-Man all have a strength level of 4 out of 7."

I don't know how credible the Marvel Wikia is but they cite Marvel's official statistics.

Keep in mind that Wolverine lugs around an admantium skeleton which enables him to have super human strength.

Technically.

Spiderman is CL 10 - CL 20 in strength.

(Source?)

He is far faster and more agile than Wolverine. He can literally dance around Wolverine without being touched if he wanted. Logan is nowhere near Spiderman's level in strength nor speed..

(He can Mayweather Wolverine all he wants but if Logan pops his claws, Pete's a dead man. He may have to dance around for a reason. Although, as previously stated, Wolverine holds back on those he has affection for. Even Sabretooth. Parker's his emergency contact if Logan would somehow need medical treatment. They're actually pretty tight.)

Logan isn't necessarily stronger than Captain America. They're in the same strength class with Cap having the edge imo. Only thing Wolverine has over the others is his healing factor and durability thanks to his adamantium lacing.

(That's your opinion, which I respect you admitted to, but Wolverine has taken it to Cap before. What did Forge say? Something along the lines that Wolverine's mind works like an gold medal Olympic athlete beating four computers at chess or something along those lines. Besides, like I said, Wolverine takes it easy on those he has affection for. Cap ranks top five I would say. He's never going to pop three claws in Steve's head.)

IIRC, he's now lost his healing factor.

(I know. But he'll obviously get it back. It's just a plot device.)

Marvel Wiki isn't that credible. You can use it for a basic understanding of the characters but I wouldn't use their stats. I'd go with whats shown in the books.

(Fair enough, but Logan's gone toe to toe with the Hulk enough for them to have their own issues. Of course, Wolverine lost but during World War Hulk, the Hulk expressed his respect for Wolverine as a rival. As did Magneto during Fatal Attractions. Spider-who?)

 

[TheManInBlack4.0]

Nah Spiderman is stronger than him by a pretty good amount.

Plus Wolverine has nothing that can fuck with his spidersense

Super human senses can give minor panic attacks a run for their money.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Logan is stronger and way faster than cap...that's not even debatable. He is a better fighter as well...off durability alone. I have been reading Logan comics and reading his respect threads....he is a beast consistently...he has beat Namor 6 times. Beaten Deadpool every time except when he was ambushed by bombs guns and grenades. He has beaten thing several times...hung with Hercules...beat hulk. Beat Parker. In their one all out fight. Peter couldn't hurt him at all.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Wolverines senses are crazy his speed feats are impressive...not to mention his durability.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Spidey is stronger though. There speed is comparable. No way spidey puts Logan down. If big bricks can't spidey can't.

 

[DarkRaiden]

Huh? In their fights Spidey always puts him down when he tries. Even that one fight where "Spidey couldn't put him down" Wolverine himself said Spidey could kill him if he wanted to. And yeah Wolverine and Cap are near equal strength 1-2 tons.

Wolverine's also lost to Namor and lost to deadpool at least 3 times. Thing sucks and loses to everyone for w/e reason (Spidey included), Spidey also beat Hulk and hung with Herc. It's just popularity tbh. Wolverine can't mess with none of them or Spidey.

 

[evoljeanyes]

He lost to Namor with goons...he lost to deadpool once with prep. I already saw your skewed ass scans bro...

 

[TheManInBlack4.0]

Huh? In their fights Spidey always puts him down when he tries. Even that one fight where "Spidey couldn't put him down" Wolverine himself said Spidey could kill him if he wanted to. And yeah Wolverine and Cap are near equal strength 1-2 tons.

Wolverine's also lost to Namor and lost to deadpool at least 3 times. Thing sucks and loses to everyone for w/e reason (Spidey included), Spidey also beat Hulk and hung with Herc. It's just popularity tbh. Wolverine can't mess with none of them or Spidey.

That's the 70s Wolverine who was nowhere as powerful as the current Wolverine if (once) he gets his healing factor back.

Evol covered Namor and Deadpool.

I have an issue involving Daken, where Deadpool throws a serious hissy fit about being considered a knock-off Wolverine (and loses with prep time.)

 

[evoljeanyes]

Exactly^^^^^^Wolverine can have 2ton lifting power. But his fighting skills exceed cap...his durability is crazy...when in the pic posted...he walked back upstairs from being kicked out of a skyscraper like it was nothing...Logan just terrorized peter...peter is not fast enough to avoid getting hit altogether...

Where are scans of parker one shotting hulk...please show me...

Fights are not about popularity...if you're gonna say that throw feats out the window all together.

 

[DarkRaiden]

Huh? In their fights Spidey always puts him down when he tries. Even that one fight where "Spidey couldn't put him down" Wolverine himself said Spidey could kill him if he wanted to. And yeah Wolverine and Cap are near equal strength 1-2 tons.

Wolverine's also lost to Namor and lost to deadpool at least 3 times. Thing sucks and loses to everyone for w/e reason (Spidey included), Spidey also beat Hulk and hung with Herc. It's just popularity tbh. Wolverine can't mess with none of them or Spidey.

That's the 70s Wolverine who was nowhere as powerful as the current Wolverine if (once) he gets his healing factor back.

Evol covered Namor and Deadpool.

I have an issue involving Daken, where Deadpool throws a serious hissy fit about being considered a knock-off Wolverine (and loses with prep time.)

So Deadpool lost to Daken....so? He's still beaten Wolverine several times. With prep, without prep, with Wolverine being the one to ambush, etc.

Namor can oneshot Wolverine and has nearly done so before. he doesn't need goons.

And for evol, spidey vs. Hulk:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5UdSTZrOmJoKklLT2cZMEFXCB4c-LlztqDwweBtOMOYmtkog

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/16715/3053895-spideyprep!.jpg

Are those all ridiculous? yes. Just like wolverine standing a chance against Hulk or Namor. whether he's done it or not, he can't ACTUALLY do it without plot and popularity on his side. Same way Batman can't actually take Darkseid's hits and dodge Superman's heat visin, how Cap can't actually make Onslaught bleed and can't beat Hulk. etc.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Logan will heal.

 

[TheManInBlack4.0]

Huh? In their fights Spidey always puts him down when he tries. Even that one fight where "Spidey couldn't put him down" Wolverine himself said Spidey could kill him if he wanted to. And yeah Wolverine and Cap are near equal strength 1-2 tons.

Wolverine's also lost to Namor and lost to deadpool at least 3 times. Thing sucks and loses to everyone for w/e reason (Spidey included), Spidey also beat Hulk and hung with Herc. It's just popularity tbh. Wolverine can't mess with none of them or Spidey.

That's the 70s Wolverine who was nowhere as powerful as the current Wolverine if (once) he gets his healing factor back.

Evol covered Namor and Deadpool.

I have an issue involving Daken, where Deadpool throws a serious hissy fit about being considered a knock-off Wolverine (and loses with prep time.)

So Deadpool lost to Daken....so? He's still beaten Wolverine several times. With prep, without prep, with Wolverine being the one to ambush, etc.

Namor can oneshot Wolverine and has nearly done so before. he doesn't need goons.

And for evol, spidey vs. Hulk:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5UdSTZrOmJoKklLT2cZMEFXCB4c-LlztqDwweBtOMOYmtkog

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/16715/3053895-spideyprep!.jpg

Are those all ridiculous? yes. Just like wolverine standing a chance against Hulk or Namor. whether he's done it or not, he can't ACTUALLY do it without plot and popularity on his side. Same way Batman can't actually take Darkseid's hits and dodge Superman's heat visin, how Cap can't actually make Onslaught bleed and can't beat Hulk. etc.

Wolverine's beaten Deadpool more than vice versa and Deadpool almost always pulls a gimmick. Logan beat Wade in that comic I mentioned. Deadpool was being used to draw out Daken so Wolverine could discipline his son.

You say Namor can one shot Logan but only has nearly done so. Sounds like straw grasping to me.

Then this is all irrelevant because Spidey is Marvel's most popular character.

 

[jaxn]

(Source?)

My source would be the comics and several encounters he's had with opponents. There are also the older legit versions of the Marvel Universe books that were more accurate than todays books that listed him as CL 10 when he first gained his powers. He's gotten stronger since then.

(He can Mayweather Wolverine all he wants but if Logan pops his claws, Pete's a dead man. He may have to dance around for a reason. Although, as previously stated, Wolverine holds back on those he has affection for. Even Sabretooth. Parker's his emergency contact if Logan would somehow need medical treatment. They're actually pretty tight.)

Ok and if Peter decides to go cut loose on Logan, there would be nothing he could do but eat punches. Peter is faster than Logan and also has his spider sense. Not to mention he is far more stronger than Logan. Just take a look at how Ock treated Logan while in possession of Pete's body. Spiderman holds back way more than Wolverine considering he's not a killer. The only way a Cap or Logan even hangs with Spiderman is because he allows them to. He has mad respect for Cap, he would never go full throttle on him.

(That's your opinion, which I respect you admitted to, but Wolverine has taken it to Cap before. What did Forge say? Something along the lines that Wolverine's mind works like an gold medal Olympic athlete beating four computers at chess or something along those lines. Besides, like I said, Wolverine takes it easy on those he has affection for. Cap ranks top five I would say. He's never going to pop three claws in Steve's head.)

True and Cap has also taken it to Logan. Cap and Logan's strength feats over their history put them in the same bracket. If I had to argue who was stronger, i'd give the slight edge to Cap . Cap isn't a slouch in the intellect department. He's a master strategist. Think about the line up he's commanded in the Avengers throughout his history. You're talking about leaders in their own right deferring to Cap. Gods and Kings defer to Cap. When shit hits the fan, Cyclops, Reed Richards, etc..they defer to Cap to lead the battle. Cap also has a weapon that can pretty much neutralize Wolverine's claws. His shield is stronger than adamantium. Adamatium was created due to scientists trying to recreate the element in Cap's shield.

(I know. But he'll obviously get it back. It's just a plot device.)

of course

(Fair enough, but Logan's gone toe to toe with the Hulk enough for them to have their own issues. Of course, Wolverine lost but during World War Hulk, the Hulk expressed his respect for Wolverine as a rival. As did Magneto during Fatal Attractions. Spider-who?)

Logan was introduced as a Hulk villain, but Cap has also gone toe to toe with the Hulk. What helps Wolverine out against top tiers guys is his durability and insane healing factor. Having his claws are an added bonus. No doubt Wolverine is a beast, but folks are really sleeping on Cap

 

[jaxn]

Logan is stronger and way faster than cap...that's not even debatable. He is a better fighter as well...off durability alone. I have been reading Logan comics and reading his respect threads....he is a beast consistently...he has beat Namor 6 times. Beaten Deadpool every time except when he was ambushed by bombs guns and grenades. He has beaten thing several times...hung with Hercules...beat hulk. Beat Parker. In their one all out fight. Peter couldn't hurt him at all.

Sure it's debatable. What's not is that Wolverine is a better fighter. He's good, but not a better fighter. You've been missing a lot of other appearances for Wolverine when he doesn't fare so well against most of those same characters.

 

[DarkRaiden]

Huh? In their fights Spidey always puts him down when he tries. Even that one fight where "Spidey couldn't put him down" Wolverine himself said Spidey could kill him if he wanted to. And yeah Wolverine and Cap are near equal strength 1-2 tons.

Wolverine's also lost to Namor and lost to deadpool at least 3 times. Thing sucks and loses to everyone for w/e reason (Spidey included), Spidey also beat Hulk and hung with Herc. It's just popularity tbh. Wolverine can't mess with none of them or Spidey.

That's the 70s Wolverine who was nowhere as powerful as the current Wolverine if (once) he gets his healing factor back.

Evol covered Namor and Deadpool.

I have an issue involving Daken, where Deadpool throws a serious hissy fit about being considered a knock-off Wolverine (and loses with prep time.)

So Deadpool lost to Daken....so? He's still beaten Wolverine several times. With prep, without prep, with Wolverine being the one to ambush, etc.

Namor can oneshot Wolverine and has nearly done so before. he doesn't need goons.

And for evol, spidey vs. Hulk:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5UdSTZrOmJoKklLT2cZMEFXCB4c-LlztqDwweBtOMOYmtkog

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/16715/3053895-spideyprep!.jpg

Are those all ridiculous? yes. Just like wolverine standing a chance against Hulk or Namor. whether he's done it or not, he can't ACTUALLY do it without plot and popularity on his side. Same way Batman can't actually take Darkseid's hits and dodge Superman's heat visin, how Cap can't actually make Onslaught bleed and can't beat Hulk. etc.

Wolverine's beaten Deadpool more than vice versa and Deadpool almost always pulls a gimmick. Logan beat Wade in that comic I mentioned. Deadpool was being used to draw out Daken so Wolverine could discipline his son.

You say Namor can one shot Logan but only has nearly done so. Sounds like straw grasping to me.

Then this is all irrelevant because Spidey is Marvel's most popular character.

Nah, Deapool's beaten Wolverine at least 3 times. And he beat Wolverine in that book where he was used to draw Daken out. Also he had Daken dead but he was too serious hallucinating and joking.

Spidey's popular yeah, so is Wolverine, so their wins over much stronger opponents (like Hulk) don't count. That's my point. Namor SHOULD be able to oneshot Wolverine going by powerset. IIRC he's only done so once and it was with distractions. Bad writing doesn't change what their powersets dictate should happen.

 

[cannonspike1994]

spiderman is faster and has spider sense