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DanknDrank;2256276 said:and the bullshit continues........the controversy isn't what ppl wanna hear, what ppl love about pac is after all the shit he was going through he was still able to come out with a classic album that ppl could play for years, and your still full of shit.........btw RUSD wasn't a slept on album, it damn near went diamond
ustreet_monsta;2256196 said:^ You really think Pac was more controversial before he got shot and robbed in NY and dissed the whole city? Or before he caught the rape case? Or before he attached himself to Suge?
When you look at the threads about Pac on the IC what are people talking about? Are they talking about how RU Still Down was a slept on classic album? Or are they talking about the shootings, Suge, Biggie dissing him subliminally, stepping to Nas in NY, etc. etc... insert off the mic antics here.
I'm not saying his music didnt play a part in his success. I'm saying that what separated Pac's album sales from Public Enemy or Wu-tang was the endless drama.
ustreet_monsta;2256329 said:I said slept on classic. Its obvious yall dont have the reading comprehension skills to engage in this conversation. Its okay. We cant all be strong readers.
Pac fans stay in denial. If I could find that scene from Scary Movie I'd post it.
25centsandwich;2256355 said:youre argument is ridiculous....
95% of rappers have some controversey or get arrested....very few of them blow up afterwards....
tupac got so much media attention because he was the biggest, best hip hop entertainer in the world....
its dumb to argue that the media just happened to pick some bum ass rapper off the street to give all the media attention to....
ustreet_monsta;2256196 said:^ You really think Pac was more controversial before he got shot and robbed in NY and dissed the whole city? Or before he caught the rape case? Or before he attached himself to Suge?
When you look at the threads about Pac on the IC what are people talking about? Are they talking about how RU Still Down was a slept on classic album? Or are they talking about the shootings, Suge, Biggie dissing him subliminally, stepping to Nas in NY, etc. etc... insert off the mic antics here.
I'm not saying his music didnt play a part in his success. I'm saying that what separated Pac's album sales from Public Enemy or Wu-tang was the endless drama.
verbal juke;2256439 said:Don't waste your time homeboy, Some of these cats are true Stanleys. If you give your opinion your a hater, If you say things that are the truth they will find a way to spin it... Unlike many, I like a lot of rap artist I don't feel the need to be aligned with just one of them. If you say one negative thing about an artist it's hate. I had a 4 page "debate" with cats in a Em thread of all places about Pac. I basically said he blew up and became famous outside of music in 93 and cats really argued with me and said I'm crazy. Dude said Pac was getting all the radio spins in 92 but a Dude in this thread who location says Michigan said he heard Brenda's got a baby and waited with his tape deck for hours to tape the song... I does not add up. Pac is one of the GOATS, his music is studied in Colleges and Universities. I actually had the opportunity to meet the mans mother and had a lengthy conversation with her when I was in graduate school in Philly but to say that the extra curricular things that went on in his life didn't support the sales of his records is insane... You can not compare 2011 with 92-96 different era. Plus these cats who get shot or catch cases now cant hold a match to the talent of Pac. The fact remains people may have learned of Pac through controversy but for many after listening to his music they became fans..
BIGC129;2256751 said:you really must of not read everything i said and fuck no he wasnt gettin major spins on every radio station not in my town maybe in your city but this was 91 and dont sit here and try to act like rap was all over cause shit wasnt so around my way homey shit DOES ADD UP I was a kid 11 or 12 nuff said on that ....and juelz your feeling must ofn got hurt when you realized you was also wrong cause if a cd comes out in febuary of 93 and a movie comes out in may or june how could you say when his second cd came out he already had stared in poetic justice and juice sure he was in juice but the other one didnt come out until after looks like 5 month gap there did you read that cause it seems you have problem pay attention to details...nuff said
DanknDrank;2257287 said:exactly, the bullshitters will continue to bullshit, smh @ verbal juke as if the radio was playing hiphop 24/7 in 91, BULLLLLSHIT they was trying to ban it at all cost
verbal juke;2257345 said:Some of you cats have reading comprehension problems. If you read my post again I used BIGC129 post to back up the statements I made in another thread. I argued with cats that Pac blew up in 93 after poetic Justice, the allege cop shooting and the rape case all happening in the same year. What the hell are you niggas talking about? As I stated someone tried to tell me Pac was getting all these spins in 91-92 and I disagreed. You niggas need get the emotion out your hearts and re-read the post...
juelz21;2257363 said:what are u talking about i provied facts that refuted what you were saying about pac blewing up in 93 u embrassing yourself right now.
Smo-King Locs;2257404 said:both sides are right Pac was a prominent figure in the hiphop community in 91' with a gold album n block buster flick in juice... but out-side the then young adolescent hiphop world, pac was'nt known like dat, but then again didn't 2pacalpse now was ban by President Bush ?????????????????????????????????????
i can tell you this pac became pac in 93'....
verbal juke;2257345 said:Some of you cats have reading comprehension problems. If you read my post again I used BIGC129 post to back up the statements I made in another thread. I argued with cats that Pac blew up in 93 after poetic Justice, the allege cop shooting and the rape case all happening in the same year. What the hell are you niggas talking about? As I stated someone tried to tell me Pac was getting all these spins in 91-92 and I disagreed. You niggas need get the emotion out your hearts and re-read the post...
DanknDrank;2257500 said:theres no emotions or reading errors....we just know bullshit when we see it, to summarize what BIGC said pac was one of the only rappers at that time getting spins, pac blew up in 93?!! bullshit again...pac blew up after juice, and i've also met his mother in northern cali as well as Ray Luv, Treach and had conversations with members from Thug Life/Outlawz, i could care less about u calling me stan, emotional or whatever u have to say over cyberspace just because I'm calling out your invalid statements...ol well not everybody pays attention to bullshit
juelz21;2257504 said:thank you.
verbal juke;2257424 said:Can you please say that again... These niggas are crazy to believe otherwise.... I have been trying to make this point for a while now and some cats are just hell bent on believing otherwise...
verbal juke;2257548 said:Once again... Im def certain you have comprehension problems... After Juice? are you kidding me... To say Pac was a mainstream star after Juice is ridiculous... Any body who believes that nosense I can't even recognize.. I'm talking popular media and you cats are talking "the rap game". Get your comprehension game up...
verbal juke;2257548 said:Once again... Im def certain you have comprehension problems... After Juice? are you kidding me... To say Pac was a mainstream star after Juice is ridiculous... Any body who believes that nosense I can't even recognize.. I'm talking popular media and you cats are talking "the rap game". Get your comprehension game up...