why was jay-z such a late bloomer?

[JokerzWyld]

nas did the firm colab album in 1997
i believe kanye west produced poppa was a playa, which was suppossed to come out 1999, not sure.
jay-z got premo and dr.dre production after nas, and so what?
still doesn't explain why jay was a late bloomer.

Good post. There so much more to say but there's no point wasting it on a troll.

 

[smoothballa81]

This is not the same exact thing. But, I got two good late bloomers for you. Even though this was not their first releases. Marvin Gaye's 12th album at Age 31 was ''What's Going On?'' And Prince at age 26 in 1984 his 6th album was ''Purple Rain''

Rather be a late bloomer and be a legend instead of have on great album early and live off of that.

 

[KeepinItHundred]

This is not the same exact thing. But, I got two good late bloomers for you. Even though this was not their first releases. Marvin Gaye's 12th album at Age 31 was ''What's Going On?'' And Prince at age 26 in 1984 his 6th album was ''Purple Rain''

Rather be a late bloomer and be a legend instead of have on great album early and live off of that.

you bodied your own argument number one

2. that doesn't explain why jay was a late bloomer

sionb55 had a legit post though.

 

[JokerzWyld]

This is not the same exact thing. But, I got two good late bloomers for you. Even though this was not their first releases. Marvin Gaye's 12th album at Age 31 was ''What's Going On?'' And Prince at age 26 in 1984 his 6th album was ''Purple Rain''

Rather be a late bloomer and be a legend instead of have on great album early and live off of that.

Good ones. Motown was afraid to take a chance on Marvin's "What's Going On?", but now it's viewed as his magnum opus by many. Did his 40th anniversary edition of "What's Going On?" drop yet?

 

[smoothballa81]

Good ones. Motown was afraid to take a chance on Marvin's "What's Going On?", but now it's viewed as his magnum opus by many. Did his 40th anniversary edition of "What's Going On?" drop yet?

Yup, And the shit still sounds brand new. And ''What's Going On'' is considered by many to be the best album ever made in music history. Its up for argument. But, sometimes it takes time to find who you are.

When Marvin Gaye made What's Going On it's the equivalent of Trey Songz making a introspective deep album. Marvin Gaye was seen as a sex symbol and just a pretty boy who had a good voice. Dude became a visionary and one of the most important artist in the history of music after that album.

So, It took Jay a time to find himself. He found his groove and moved on. But, honestly I think Reasonable Doubt is overrated and I think The Blueprint is his true magnum opus and he was 31 when that came out.

 

[Kwan Dai]

This is not the same exact thing. But, I got two good late bloomers for you. Even though this was not their first releases. Marvin Gaye's 12th album at Age 31 was ''What's Going On?'' And Prince at age 26 in 1984 his 6th album was ''Purple Rain''

Rather be a late bloomer and be a legend instead of have on great album early and live off of that.

Those are poor examples. Prince and Marvin Gaye both had very good success as artists before these break out albums. Prince was able to Play 15+ instruments before the age of 20 while having songs that charted. Little Red Corvette, 1999 as, well Chaka Khan remaking "I feel for you". Marvin had recorded #1 hits for Motown before what's going on and was an established artist. Jayz had no such success before RD which, didn't drop with any fan fair or anticipation.

 

[2Fresh2def]

does it really matter why he was a late bloomer.... everybody is so concerned with instant success, well think about this for a min, all the niggas yall comparing him to who had instant success and instant classics..... where are they in their carrers cuz im willing to bet that they are not doing as well as he is and im not just talking bout sales either im talking overall hes doing better, so at the end of the day does it matter when he bloomed cuz i could give a rats ass if i were him

 

[Kwan Dai]

does it really matter why he was a late bloomer.... everybody is so concerned with instant success, well think about this for a min, all the niggas yall comparing him to who had instant success and instant classics..... where are they in their carrers cuz im willing to bet that they are not doing as well as he is and im not just talking bout sales either im talking overall hes doing better, so at the end of the day does it matter when he bloomed cuz i could give a rats ass if i were him

Why does it matter where is now? Some of those artists had there runs in the genre. So, will Jayz. So, while you may not be talking about his sales, you are at least attempting to point out his fame and riches. As, I said, Jayz has not surpassed his peers Lyrically, or creatively.

 

[CirocObama]

25 ,26 we talkin bout a matter of months who cares they still were similar in age

I read the 1st sentence then stopped cuz it was some bullshit plus duke wack and I dont read essays from wack niggas

Well Jay-Z was about to turn 27 when his joint dropped. Also The Documentary was supposed to come out when Game was 24 but it got pushed back due to legal shit with Ruthless Records and Eazy-E's wife amongst other things.

Well you should read it cuz dude was spitting the same truth i've been saying. Still Jay-Z has dope records here and there but let's keep it real if y'all wanna be real. I remember i was one of the only niggas who pointed out the whole Juvenile argument on the IC a while ago.

 

[Kwan Dai]

I dint wna be ignorant but fine..... Cuz he was selllin crack gtn money in da streets derlic, dats why! While pussies like nas nd albert aka twinkle toes was in ballet class nd lookin out they window, so of course they had time to hit a studio nd spit tales bout other ppls lives, lol, cuz them nigz dont know wut crack cook rite look like... Maybe if he wasnt knee deep in da streets he wudda came out as a teen too..

Forget being ignorant. You are so misinformed it's pathetic.

 

[CirocObama]

I dint wna be ignorant but fine..... Cuz he was selllin crack gtn money in da streets derlic, dats why! While pussies like nas nd albert aka twinkle toes was in ballet class nd lookin out they window, so of course they had time to hit a studio nd spit tales bout other ppls lives, lol, cuz them nigz dont know wut crack cook rite look like... Maybe if he wasnt knee deep in da streets he wudda came out as a teen too..

Boring troll. Get a new hobby.

 

[KeepinItHundred]

I dint wna be ignorant but fine..... Cuz he was selllin crack gtn money in da streets derlic, dats why! While pussies like nas nd albert aka twinkle toes was in ballet class nd lookin out they window, so of course they had time to hit a studio nd spit tales bout other ppls lives, lol, cuz them nigz dont know wut crack cook rite look like... Maybe if he wasnt knee deep in da streets he wudda came out as a teen too..

so for a jay-z stan's sake we'll pretend thats true.

but what about g-rap? he was able to come out when he did. nice try.

 

[JokerzWyld]

He had to bloom late, he need time to soak up game and change up his entire style, both content and flow. LMAO.

 

[waterproof]

all these other emcees were putting out classics in their early 20s, or teen years(mobb deep)

did jay just need to watch and learn to gain pointers?

Because jay-Z was shook that's why, Jay-Z is around the same age of Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Krs-1, LL Cool J,. And around that era those were the emcee's that was was running shit in New York and at that time older emcee's like Kool Moe Dee, Melle Mel and Grand Master CAZ, T La rock was still wrecking the mic's and they was in their late 20's

Now look at all these emcee's that i listed KOOL MOE DEE, GRANDMASTER CAZ, MELLE MEL, RAKIM, BIG DADDY KANE, KRS-1, LL COOL J and T La Rock = 9 emcee's with 6 in the TOP TEN EMCEE'S OF ALL TIMES that will be KOOL MOE DEE, GRANDMASTER CAZ, MELLE MEL, RAKIM, BIG DADDY KANE, KRS-1 and LL Cool J and T La Rock are any where from 11-15.

Jay-Z knew his role, the older emcee's in KMD, CAZ, and Melle Mel, T La Rock would of crushed Jay-Z around 88 even though they was around their late 20's and the younger emcee's were in the late teen's and around Jay-Z age Rakim, Kane, Krs-1 was taking hip-hop to the next level and battling the vets and making classic albums.

Jay-Z couldnt and knew he wasnt on none of their level's. That's why he hopped on Jaz-o back and learned from JAZ and KANE. Jay-z at the age of 27 waited to those emcee's was bowing out due to the new wave of hip-hop and around 95 he try to act brand new, a straight sucka.

 

[usmarin3]

Just like every other rapper it took him time to find his style and what works for them. If you listen to Biggie, he wasn't on that Frank White shit, if you listen to Pac he wasn't on no gangsta shit at the beginning. The only reason why Jay gets the criticism he does because he is the only one from back then who lasted and have all this success, people are looking for some dumb reason for why he is here today other than the nigga can rhyme his ass off.

You ask these haters why Jay is successful, they will say he bit Kane, Jaz, Biggie, Nas,etc style.

 

[j dot keyz]

He had to reinvent himself, he was the goofy dude from Jaz-O's videos, then he went to do his own thing. He had to put in work and learn how to make hits. Kinda like Rick Ross, he was nobody for a long time, reinvented himself, learned how to make hits and now he's one of the biggest namesin rap. Nowadays rappers only need a catchy song to make it big (temporarily), there's no real struggle involved.

 

[KeepinItHundred]

Ur the threadstarter rite, get to the gist of it, wuts ur fuckin point? So wut if he came in da game late, wut does dat have to do wit anything, u tryin to imply dat lyrically he cudnt hang with kool g, mobb deep, nas etc? Well guess wut, he is cemented as a top 5 emcee regardless if u like it or not, half them nigs wasnt relevant afta bout 6yrs, dis nigga been killin for like, gv or take, 13yrs now, so if he was as wack as u trying to imply da game wudda got rid of him like they did dem otha wack niggas, ja, 50, nelly, and dem other nigz dat cudnt rhyme worth a lick so cut it out... Dat boy good! (Hov voice)

who said jay-z was wack? I asked a simple question and jigger warriors got all heated and ducked the question and started brining up other emcees to change the subject. are you from BK? lol

 

[KeepinItHundred]

U already know.. U still aint tell me da point of da thread nd y its relevant to anything, well of course other than hate.

i just made an observation, and made a thread and asked a question. it's not my fault it hurts jigger warriors feelings. if you don't like it, make thread talking about jay-z accomplishments.

 

[Manik Sona]

He just like everyone else man, trying to get to the top.

 

[Knives Amilli]

He had to reinvent himself, he was the goofy dude from Jaz-O's videos, then he went to do his own thing. He had to put in work and learn how to make hits. Kinda like Rick Ross, he was nobody for a long time, reinvented himself, learned how to make hits and now he's one of the biggest namesin rap. Nowadays rappers only need a catchy song to make it big (temporarily), there's no real struggle involved.

/thread.

Niggas in here try to slickly imply that cues from other entertainers reinventing yourself is somehow a negative in the entertainment world.

As if Stefani Germanotta didnt reinvent herself.

As if Drake didn't change his style up.

As if it didn't take Wiz 4 years to blow.