Why is there such a big distortion between the real world and the IC?

[dubzz]

reasonable doubt unquestionable??? check your history

Hey, I don't bang that shit, but it had an impact on the game without a question.

Check your history he says.

That's funny.

 

[SCRATCHOFF]

Some of you cats are hilfreakinlarious..... IC is like a warp universe where everything is backwards...

 

[bankrupt baller]

if you knew nothing about the real world, joe buddens would be the greatest rapper in the world according to the IC

if i went outside right now and asked 10 random ppl about joey they'd be like

"Joe Buddens? Talkin bout that nigga that had that song...um...shit, whats that shit called. Damn. Pump somthing?"

yeah but thats because all they know is garbage radio music......you cant complain that only garbage gets air play and then be shocked if ten RANDOM people dont know budden.......like the man said himself..."ask about pump it up and im a think you sheep,oh you must not know im deep".............to RANDOM people the radio is all they know

 

[new account2]

Hey, I don't bang that shit, but it had an impact on the game without a question.

Check your history he says.

That's funny.

nah it didnt have any impact on the game.....Jay-Z had impact on the game......there is a difference.....

 

[dubzz]

nah it didnt have any impact on the game.....Jay-Z had impact on the game......there is a difference.....

Think what you want, yuh still wrong yute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_Doubt

 

[new account2]

Think what you want, yuh still wrong yute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_Doubt

No need to read that.....Wiki cant tell me something I was there to witness back when reasonable doubt came out

Only reason why that became a classic was because Vol. 2 Was the true classic......When Jay came out he was an average nigga, with an above average album......Reasonble doubt didnt change nothing, didnt make niggas rapper better, new beats, new producers....nothing....

When Vol 2 came out, niggas went back and then got on his dick cause they slept so long.....Vol 2 got respect from evcerybody everywhere...backpackers to thug niggas....

Even the source, the orginal hip hop authority on this matter, gave it a four......they went back and gave it 5 mics cause they shitted on a nigga who had gotten clout in the industry....

If all of that isnt in that wiki page, its inaccurate....

 

[MAKAVELI25]

naw i do find that argument HIGHLY comical... "Your from the hood? So how u on the internet?" Like this is 94 and computers are not a popular.. Shit u can get a Netbook for 250... niggas in the "hood" pay more for their sneakers so why they cant have a computer?

If that was directed towards me, then you are misunderstanding my argument. I was referencing people on this site who always talk like they know what is REALLY being played in the hood. My argument is not whether or not they can afford computers, its: How can you claim you know what is really being played in the hood when you're on your computer 24/7?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

this thread has been made so many times....I've prolly made it myself (Been an IC member since 0-3) a few times....but after a while, you'll realize it is what it is.....as time moves on and technology becomes more rampant, forums like this are just as much of apart of hip hop as niggas in the streets.....prolly more so now that the internet is the most dominant form media outlet from now unitl something else comes along........

Not to throw ur thread off track, but you aint sayin nothin new and your argment is less relevant these days.......just accept cats for they opnions if they are respectable, if not, just overlook the bullshit.......you not gonna wake anybody up and educate anybody.......

I can respect your that. But I've only been on here since early March so I haven't rly seen any threads like this

 

[new account2]

If that was directed towards me, then you are misunderstanding my argument. I was referencing people on this site who always talk like they know what is REALLY being played in the hood. My argument is not whether or not they can afford computers, its: How can you claim you know what is really being played in the hood when you're on your computer 24/7?

I think what he's gettin at is that not everybody on here reflects people who just sit on the internet all day and dont know whats getttin bump in the hood.........

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I think what he's gettin at is that not everybody on here reflects people who just sit on the internet all day and dont know whats getttin bump in the hood.........

I'm not saying everybody on here sits on the internet all day, I certainly don't. 80% of the times I post I'm prolly bored @ work, but I truly do love this site. But you can't tell me someone who joined in December and already has like 5,000+ posts has as much time to go out and about as compared to the majority of posters.

 

[dubzz]

No need to read that.....Wiki cant tell me something I was there to witness back when reasonable doubt came out

Only reason why that became a classic was because Vol. 2 Was the true classic......When Jay came out he was an average nigga, with an above average album......Reasonble doubt didnt change nothing, didnt make niggas rapper better, new beats, new producers....nothing....

When Vol 2 came out, niggas went back and then got on his dick cause they slept so long.....Vol 2 got respect from evcerybody everywhere...backpackers to thug niggas....

Even the source, the orginal hip hop authority on this matter, gave it a four......they went back and gave it 5 mics cause they shitted on a nigga who had gotten clout in the industry....

If all of that isnt in that wiki page, its inaccurate....

I was there too, and I'm not even a Jay-Z fan. Vol. 2 is better, but Reasonable Doubt is still unquestionable classic whether we like the album,Jay-Z or neither of them. I don't.

You can argue with the reviews and citations all you want, but it don't change a thing.

It was Jay-Z's debut, it was lyrical, and there are many who argue it was one of his greatest.

Allmusic 5/5

Rollingstone (not that Rollingstone knows shit) 5/5

The Source 2002 5/5 from 1996's 4/5

XXL 5/5

"Though Reasonable Doubt only reached number 23 on Billboard's album chart, Jay-Z's debut eventually became recognized as an undisputed classic among fans, many of whom consider it his crowning achievement." - Allmusic

 

[new account2]

I was there too, and I'm not even a Jay-Z fan. Vol. 2 is better, but Reasonable Doubt is still unquestionable classic whether we like the album,Jay-Z or neither of them. I don't.

You can argue with the reviews and citations all you want, but it don't change a thing.

It was Jay-Z's debut, it was lyrical, and there are many who argue it was one of his greatest.

Allmusic 5/5
Rollingstone (not that Rollingstone knows shit) 5/5
The Source 2002 5/5 from 1996's 4/5
XXL 5/5

"Though Reasonable Doubt only reached number 23 on Billboard's album chart, Jay-Z's debut eventually became recognized as an undisputed classic among fans, many of whom consider it his crowning achievement." - Allmusic

unquestionnable??? How so.....

going by your post, the creditablity is questionable on svereal things

Was XXL even out in 96??

Rolling stone, nah yo....

I dont even know what All music is.......

None of those were any type of hip hop authority in 96....

96 was one of the top 3 years in hip hop history....Tupac dropped TWICE that year, nas hit'em with IT was written. The Score came out in 96...Ironman, Muddy waters, the Lost Boyz.......Jay was a b-level nigga, an after thought of some sorts in 96...Foxy was gettin more shine than him........

Nothing from that album even resembles classic....there wasnt no concepts, no new type of beats, nothing.....Jay even took the whole Mafioso/Boss type of thing Wu-Tang and Nas had already done a year prior....

Jay is a classic nigga for hip hop, but there was nothing about this album that is classic.....it had no major impact, it didnt make niggas change anything, it didnt sell any records, he didnt outrhyme anybody......nothing....it was a pretty good album back then, its a pretty good album now......It had the same affect that Big L whad when he died.....niggas slept when they wasnt supposed to, so they wake up the time has passed.......

 

[5th Letter]

Reasonable had to change the way we live, how we eat, sleep, blink our eyes? Come on now, not every album had to create world peace and stop world hunger for it to be "classic". Reasonable Doubt is a classic because of its strong content and replay, thats it.

 

[dubzz]

unquestionnable??? How so.....

going by your post, the creditablity is questionable on svereal things

Was XXL even out in 96??

Rolling stone, nah yo....

I dont even know what All music is.......

None of those were any type of hip hop authority in 96....

96 was one of the top 3 years in hip hop history....Tupac dropped TWICE that year, nas hit'em with IT was written. The Score came out in 96...Ironman, Muddy waters, the Lost Boyz.......Jay was a b-level nigga, an after thought of some sorts in 96...Foxy was gettin more shine than him........

Nothing from that album even resembles classic....there wasnt no concepts, no new type of beats, nothing.....Jay even took the whole Mafioso/Boss type of thing Wu-Tang and Nas had already done a year prior....

Jay is a classic nigga for hip hop, but there was nothing about this album that is classic.....it had no major impact, it didnt make niggas change anything, it didnt sell any records, he didnt outrhyme anybody......nothing....it was a pretty good album back then, its a pretty good album now......It had the same affect that Big L whad when he died.....niggas slept when they wasnt supposed to, so they wake up the time has passed.......

Yeah, you right. Unquestionable is too strong for Unreasonable Doubt. '96 was a big year and it wasn't even up there with the rest of them. I'd say it was a sleeper classic that mostly got recognized later by Jay-Z fans and enthusiasts.

My brother was bumping it on the daily so it's just an album etched in my mind. Not one of my favourites though.

Respeck.

 

[turqiun]

u gotta understand who these dudes are though... look at someone like hrap... now lets be 4 real for a second.... u really think anyone is gonna sit and listen to his retarded ass black power speaches in real life??? hell nah not in the black community... we're gonna be like nigga shut that shit the fuck up and live ur life... so he get's rejected by the real world... but on here he got about 4 dudes who actually listen to that bullshit n their dumb enough to actually believe he's smart to.... so for him it makes sense to be on here 24/7 cause he's more accepted then in real life....

Especially the bold but I agree with everything.

 

[new account2]

Reasonable had to change the way we live, how we eat, sleep, blink our eyes? Come on now, not every album had to create world peace and stop world hunger for it to be "classic". Reasonable Doubt is a classic because of its strong content and replay, thats it.

back in the 90's thats basically what classic albums did......Resonable doubt didnt have the same affect as a Cuban links, or a Score, or an illmatic or Ready to die......not even close

We gotten so used to watered down music that we forgot the impact of hip hop back then musically....back then you couldnt just make a good album to listen to, as you put it, you had to push the envelope and bring hip hop to a new level....and all of those albums I named plus others did so.....Reasonable doubt did not.........people slept on it and went back AFTER Jay got clout in the industry

 

[5th Letter]

back in the 90's thats basically what classic albums did......Resonable doubt didnt have the same affect as a Cuban links, or a Score, or an illmatic or Ready to die......not even close

We gotten so used to watered down music that we forgot the impact of hip hop back then musically....back then you couldnt just make a good album to listen to, as you put it, you had to push the envelope and bring hip hop to a new level....and all of those albums I named plus others did so.....Reasonable doubt did not.........people slept on it and went back AFTER Jay got clout in the industry

there are albums that didn't move mountains from the 90's and it was considered classic. Snoop Dogg Doggystyle, Gza Liquid Swords, Big Pun Cap Punishment as examples.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

back in the 90's thats basically what classic albums did......Resonable doubt didnt have the same affect as a Cuban links, or a Score, or an illmatic or Ready to die......not even close

We gotten so used to watered down music that we forgot the impact of hip hop back then musically....back then you couldnt just make a good album to listen to, as you put it, you had to push the envelope and bring hip hop to a new level....and all of those albums I named plus others did so.....Reasonable doubt did not.........people slept on it and went back AFTER Jay got clout in the industry

See, this is what I'm talking about. Even if you disagree with this dude, you gotta respect him for stating an opinion that detracts from that of the majority AND for putting forward valid reasons why

 

[new account2]

there are albums that didn't move mountains from the 90's and it was considered classic. Snoop Dogg Doggystyle, Gza Liquid Swords, Big Pun Cap Punishment as examples.

doggy style didnt move moutains....LMAO.......

We cant even continue this discussion.....

 

[5th Letter]

doggy style didnt move moutains....LMAO.......

We cant even continue this discussion.....

What big impact did Doggystyle have?