Why I raise my children without God.

[BiblicalAtheist]

this nigga Vibe is a miserable cracker nigga will pray to a anime character aliens before believing in God

 

[Doctopian]

*reads thread*

*notices multiple fallacious arguments by even the most knowledgeable of theists*

*leaves*

 

[ohhhla]

@CopperKing

We are humans we can criticize or question anything we want.

The same way you make fun of homosexual or trannies but

When it comes to god, we need to fall back? Lol, GTFOH

I never said whether i believed in god or not...im pointing out the flaws in the argument .

I never told anyone to fall back on their criticism whether it was for or against

Reading is fundamental

You just say "Who cares on what the next man believes."

That implies don't judge anyone on their belief, no?

 

[ohhhla]

@CopperKing

We are humans we can criticize or question anything we want.

The same way you make fun of homosexual or trannies but

When it comes to god, we need to fall back? Lol, GTFOH

homos and trannies didnt create life so hey, it is what is

God gets automatic respect, that nigga made life

Prove your superstition belief

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Life makes life.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

i think carl sagan said it the best i've ever heard

"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence..."

His argument fails because the claim of the "supernatural" is an unscientific one. So by the very nature of the claim, evidence can't be compiled for or against it.

Such claims don't automatically get a status quo of "true" or "valid" simply because someone comes up with them.

he didn't say anything about supernatural, if the laws of the universe are "god", the universe is not supernatural. my whole point is, faith is doubt (i know that sounds like one of the phrases from animal farm) and what you choose to make it, at least that's how it is for me. i don't think this is an issue you come to a conclusion on and move on, for me it's a lifelong kind of thing, that is riddled with doubt and questions

i'm not even sold on the realness of ours or anythings existence to be honest. and i find the more i learn the more i realize how much i don't know.

He said "God"; which is a supernatural concept:

If he was referring to the laws of the Universe, there was no need to use the word "God" in the first place.

That's no better than saying "If this oxygen atom is "the internet", than "the internet" is not technological.".

Defeats the purpose of words having meanings.

perhaps our definition that "god" is in fact supernatural is wrong

By that reasoning, perhaps our definitions for all words are in fact wrong. Because by removing the "supernatural" aspect from the concept of "God"; it becomes objectively disprovable, observable, and measurable. At which point the burden proof falls squarely upon those claiming the concept exists.

Perhaps "pigs" aren't mammals because our definition for "pig" is also wrong; it's a slippery slope b.

the definition is wrong because our understanding is wrong. and when it is the bolded, science is then "god" which works for me

You're still moving the goalposts by changing the definitions b.

In the bolded you're calling one definition wrong, and with the underlined you're redefining the word.

What's the point of you using the word "god" if you're not referring to what it's defined as or if you're referring to something else such as "science"?

i only use the word in an attempt to explain myself in a way that is understandable, seeing as there really is no word for "god" as far as what i'm speaking of. sorta like trying to translate a word into english that doesn't have a direct translation so you have to use a phrase or something. the boundaries of language prohibit you from not speaking in such a manner. existence and just being (and the rules and laws of it) is what the conceptualized idea of god is imo

now as far as "god" in the traditional sense, i believe it's a coping mechanism for many in face of the abyss that is existence and the non-existence that is death. these concepts can be terrifying to a self-aware organism, because the unknown is scary. so the alternative religion provides has to be true for their own sake and not it's own sake.

So you're not actually talking about the existence of "God" as Carl Sagan was in the quote you posted?

 

[Gold_Certificate]

I dont think the human race is advanced enough to be saying for a fact if omnipotent beings exist or not....we still rage war against one another over money and religion

Sure they are yo.

The only thing supporting the claim that "supernatural" beings exist is the claim that "supernatural" beings exist.

If humans applied such circular reasoning to everything, they'd have to be agnostic about an infinite number of claims that others come up with.

If ur not certain of a certain things theres nothing wrong with saying ur not certain..theres something wise in being agnostic instead of feigning proof of non existence

So humans are to be agnostic when it comes to any one of the infinitely-many conceivable concepts that other humans can create?

If I say "Godzilla exists and he rules the world from the shadows, controlling your every action and desire; and you can't prove he doesn't.", then is it unwise to rule out such a claim?

If anything, it's wise to rule out fantastical claims lacking in any form of proof or provability.

Horrible example... my actions prove that my actions are only being controlled by me

So you're saying that because there is no proof that Godzilla is controlling your every action and desire, the claim that he is controlling you is false?

My actions prove to me that my actions are being controlled by me

Illogical argument

Exactly. In the same manner that it is illogical to argue that Godzilla is controlling your actions without proof, it's also illogical to argue that "God" or something "supernatural" is controlling or influencing the Universe without proof.

 

[Copper]

@CopperKing

We are humans we can criticize or question anything we want.

The same way you make fun of homosexual or trannies but

When it comes to god, we need to fall back? Lol, GTFOH

I never said whether i believed in god or not...im pointing out the flaws in the argument .

I never told anyone to fall back on their criticism whether it was for or against

Reading is fundamental

You just say "Who cares on what the next man believes."

That implies don't judge anyone on their belief, no?

Atheism is not a belief its more of a non belief

And im discussing logic....im not judging anyone...get out of'dem feelings and think objectively

 

[Ajackson17]

this nigga Vibe is a miserable cracker nigga will pray to a anime character before believing in God

if that anime character is lord sesshomaru, i'm with vibe on this one lol

Sesshoumaru is that nigga and Yoko Kurama.

 

[BoldChild]

I think alot of athiest do want to believe. But they are basing everything on scientifically tangible evidence. Alot of science is just some guy with some degrees and alot of time to ponder and research shit, yet still not coming up with convincing evidence that leans one way or the other. So then they just start guessin and make their guesses popular amongst ppl who think like them. These are theories. A theory has never been proven as fact. So it's just their theory that God doesnt exist. But spirituality is not cold, dispassionate, limited logic and guesses. It is so much more than that.

I think alot of christians are afraid of athiest, they are afraid it's a possibility that there is alot of truth to what they are saying. It frightens them that the one thing they hold so tightly to and believe in so blindly when everything else is going wrong, could be just another set of lies and fear mongering as a control system. Religion takes your power away from you. It's hard for me to be in a church around ppl who are waiting for someone else to give them the things that God already put in you, or relieve themselves of the guilt over fucked up shit they do sunday after church-saturday

I think as you grow, you begin to question why was this passed down to the MASSES. The same ppl who are responsible for writing the bible, were involved in alot of other shit that goes against the principles in that book. I don't agree with atheist and I dont agree with religion fanboys either. I think they both are too full of self importance and ego, to speak or listen to each other from a non biased perspective. if science and religion collaborated rather than competed imagine how much shit we would discover.

I think like the bolded to. And why does every country still live by the basic laws of the 10 commandments?

The basic laws of every land are based on the 10 commandments....from a story in the bible...

You break the laws of the 10 commandments now...morally or physically...leads to negativity in your life.

I think alot of athiest do want to believe. But they are basing everything on scientifically tangible evidence. Alot of science is just some guy with some degrees and alot of time to ponder and research shit, yet still not coming up with convincing evidence that leans one way or the other. So then they just start guessin and make their guesses popular amongst ppl who think like them. These are theories. A theory has never been proven as fact. So it's just their theory that God doesnt exist. But spirituality is not cold, dispassionate, limited logic and guesses. It is so much more than that.

I think alot of christians are afraid of athiest, they are afraid it's a possibility that there is alot of truth to what they are saying. It frightens them that the one thing they hold so tightly to and believe in so blindly when everything else is going wrong, could be just another set of lies and fear mongering as a control system. Religion takes your power away from you. It's hard for me to be in a church around ppl who are waiting for someone else to give them the things that God already put in you, or relieve themselves of the guilt over fucked up shit they do sunday after church-saturday

I think as you grow, you begin to question why was this passed down to the MASSES. The same ppl who are responsible for writing the bible, were involved in alot of other shit that goes against the principles in that book. I don't agree with atheist and I dont agree with religion fanboys either. I think they both are too full of self importance and ego, to speak or listen to each other from a non biased perspective. if science and religion collaborated rather than competed imagine how much shit we would discover.

I think like the bolded to. And why does every country still live by the basic laws of the 10 commandments?

The basic laws of every land are based on the 10 commandments....from a story in the bible...

You break the laws of the 10 commandments now...morally or physically...leads to negativity in your life.

If you mean shit like..

- You shall not murder

- You shall not steal

I'm pretty sure that shit was looked down upon before the 10 commandments. It's not like niggas had no problem with someone killing them and stealing from them before the 10 commandments dropped on the scene.

"Oh, it's cool, go ahead and take my shit if you want to."

"You want to kill me!?" "aight."

*10 commandments*

"aye nigga, put my shit down.."

 

[ohhhla]

@CopperKing

We are humans we can criticize or question anything we want.

The same way you make fun of homosexual or trannies but

When it comes to god, we need to fall back? Lol, GTFOH

I never said whether i believed in god or not...im pointing out the flaws in the argument .

I never told anyone to fall back on their criticism whether it was for or against

Reading is fundamental

You just say "Who cares on what the next man believes."

That implies don't judge anyone on their belief, no?

Atheism is not a belief its more of a non belief

And im discussing logic....im not judging anyone...get out of'dem feelings and think objectively

Atheism is part of questioning your beliefs.

What does objective means to you?

It's basically 90% chance that god doesn't exist because I don't claim absolute certainity

 

[Doctopian]

Aizen > > >

 

[zombie]

Atheist fucking disgust me, if you don't believe in god that is your choice. Now go sit in the corner and suck your thumb or something, why the fuck are you writing books, articles and posting your trash all over the place. There exist no logical reason for atheist to do this other than trying their best to piss off believers.

Atheism is on the list of things that are destroying western society, which may be a good thing. But atheist are so fucking annoying. just shut the fuck up already , atheism does nothing it inspires nothing it creates nothing. it seeks to strip man of religion but has nothing comparable to replace it.

LOL @ "let believers believe and express themselves" but not allowing non-believers to do the same.

The difference is this belief in religion causes you to do things but atheism has no responsibilities.

Wtf are you talking about?

We have the same responsibilites as you.

Atheism isn't destroying anything.

No, you don't you blind fool. example: muslims have to give to the poor You do not have to do anything. i cannot be religious if i don't do certain things, you don't have to do anything to be an atheist. In other words belief in god commands man to do certain things. Belief in god changes everything, part of the reason why abortion, HEARTLESS murder, high levels of greed and other social ills are rampant in the west right now is because it have thrown away all the traditional morality that came with religion and now the western world is in the process of creating a new morality one that says I can make my own rules or right and wrong. Every generation seems to be getting worse in the past in the west evil was reserved for those who existed outside the group now evil seems to be given to every one outside the self.

 

[Copper]

I dont think the human race is advanced enough to be saying for a fact if omnipotent beings exist or not....we still rage war against one another over money and religion

Sure they are yo.

The only thing supporting the claim that "supernatural" beings exist is the claim that "supernatural" beings exist.

If humans applied such circular reasoning to everything, they'd have to be agnostic about an infinite number of claims that others come up with.

If ur not certain of a certain things theres nothing wrong with saying ur not certain..theres something wise in being agnostic instead of feigning proof of non existence

So humans are to be agnostic when it comes to any one of the infinitely-many conceivable concepts that other humans can create?

If I say "Godzilla exists and he rules the world from the shadows, controlling your every action and desire; and you can't prove he doesn't.", then is it unwise to rule out such a claim?

If anything, it's wise to rule out fantastical claims lacking in any form of proof or provability.

Horrible example... my actions prove that my actions are only being controlled by me

So you're saying that because there is no proof that Godzilla is controlling your every action and desire, the claim that he is controlling you is false?

My actions prove to me that my actions are being controlled by me

Illogical argument

Exactly. In the same manner that it is illogical to argue that Godzilla is controlling your actions without proof, it's also illogical to argue that "God" or something "supernatural" is controlling or influencing the Universe without proof.

No ur argument about a movie character controlling my actions can be disproved by me the existence of a supreme being creating life cannot be proved or disproved by you

 

[powerman 5000]

this nigga Vibe is a miserable cracker nigga will pray to a anime character before believing in God

if that anime character is lord sesshomaru, i'm with vibe on this one lol

shit just got real, the Aristocratic Assassin just entered the thread.

 

[ohhhla]

It's not up to the nonbeliever to disprove the shit.

It's up to claimer to prove it.

 

[Lot86]

This why I do not talk about religion most people are too immature to discuss such matters and too closed minded to ever agree to disagree.

This is why I find it useless now to discuss this stuff with most people, no matter what you say or bring in front of them, they'll never accept it

 

[ohhhla]

@zombie

Abortion isn't morality bad

 

[Gold_Certificate]

I dont think the human race is advanced enough to be saying for a fact if omnipotent beings exist or not....we still rage war against one another over money and religion

Sure they are yo.

The only thing supporting the claim that "supernatural" beings exist is the claim that "supernatural" beings exist.

If humans applied such circular reasoning to everything, they'd have to be agnostic about an infinite number of claims that others come up with.

If ur not certain of a certain things theres nothing wrong with saying ur not certain..theres something wise in being agnostic instead of feigning proof of non existence

So humans are to be agnostic when it comes to any one of the infinitely-many conceivable concepts that other humans can create?

If I say "Godzilla exists and he rules the world from the shadows, controlling your every action and desire; and you can't prove he doesn't.", then is it unwise to rule out such a claim?

If anything, it's wise to rule out fantastical claims lacking in any form of proof or provability.

Horrible example... my actions prove that my actions are only being controlled by me

So you're saying that because there is no proof that Godzilla is controlling your every action and desire, the claim that he is controlling you is false?

My actions prove to me that my actions are being controlled by me

Illogical argument

Exactly. In the same manner that it is illogical to argue that Godzilla is controlling your actions without proof, it's also illogical to argue that "God" or something "supernatural" is controlling or influencing the Universe without proof.

No ur argument about a movie character controlling my actions can be disproved by me the existence of a supreme being creating life cannot be proved or disproved by you

You say I can't disprove the existence of "God" with the above bolded; I said you can't disprove that Godzilla controls your actions and desires with the below bolded:

..."Godzilla exists and he rules the world from the shadows, controlling your every action and desire; and you can't prove he doesn't."...

Besides, "God" is also a character in movies.

 

[DMTxTHC]

As far as brothers are concerned, Itachi >> Sesshomaru (sp?)