Why Hasnt the UFC Produced A ALI, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Tyson Type Yet?

[Bcotton5]

Yea MMA dont got that great technical aspect that you get from a great boxing match

 

[Rampage12]

I disagree the reason Silva is so great is because of his amatur background in boxing. He couldn't cut it in the pro game so he switched to mma. Sure in most current matches you are correct, but if you were trying that with someone with an extensive boxing background, one miss your gonna get knocked out. You dont start on the ground in MMA you start standing up, gotta get past the punches first.

Yes, all MMA fights start standing up but all an MMA guy would have to do was shoot for one takedown get it and then the boxer would either get submitted or GNP'd to death. Watch it will happen to James Toney if he gets his wish and gets a fight in the UFC. And why do you think he keeps stalking Dana White about fighting in the UFC cause there's no money in boxing no more.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This topic doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There are legends in MMA. Royce Gracie and Sakaraba are just two examples. Within MMA there are dudes that are considered legends. I think you're talking more about icons, or people with big names that exceed the sport. The reason MMA doesn't have that yet is because it's not the mainstream sport that boxing is. Boxing has been around for over 100 years in this country. MMA has only been a factor for a little over 20. It takes time for a sport to be built up enough to produce that kinda of persona. Whether it actually will or not remains to be seen, but you have to give it time.

 

[bow to royalty]

I think boxing is more popular than MMA. I figure the top 2 names in boxing could sell well with any fight. Mayweather vs whoever. Pacquiao vs whoever. And the 2 of them vs each other would outsell any UFC fight that could be put together. People like seeing boxing more in fights. Even in the UFC the best fights are stand-up fights. Grappling makes fighters look scared a lot of the time IMO. In pre-fight interviews the fighters will be like "ya, i'm gonna stand toe to toe with him and knock him out". Then they get hit in their shit and wanna start grappling.

Grappling is boring a lot of the time. If the sport changes and becomes more of a stand-up sport than it is, they may produce legends.

 

[swadesw]

I think boxing is more popular than MMA. I figure the top 2 names in boxing could sell well with any fight. Mayweather vs whoever. Pacquiao vs whoever. And the 2 of them vs each other would outsell any UFC fight that could be put together. People like seeing boxing more in fights. Even in the UFC the best fights are stand-up fights. Grappling makes fighters look scared a lot of the time IMO. In pre-fight interviews the fighters will be like "ya, i'm gonna stand toe to toe with him and knock him out". Then they get hit in their shit and wanna start grappling.

Grappling is boring a lot of the time. If the sport changes and becomes more of a stand-up sport than it is, they may produce legends.

mma is more popular bc the only fight it could do to out do the ufc is the 1 u mentioned yet any other fight ufc will beat boxing....

 

[PapaJuice]

I hate when losers like you get the pussy eyes for no reason and then got the nerve to not make any damn sense in the process. You ask the average person in the street who the Gracies are and they dont fucking know and dont care. You ask them who Oscar De La Hoya is...they know. A LEGEND is somebody EVERYBODY knows. And The Gracie family were the ones who started it but they left WAY early so that dont count they have their own shit going.

You one of those sports nerds that know EVERYTHING about the most unknown nigga including his shoe & dick size and you dont realize that not everybody is a loser ass nigga and pays attention to the 8th man on the 76ers bench and shit. Regular people know who ALI is you the type to know who his sparring partners are then try to clown niggas that dont like its normal to be knowing a muthafukkas Social Security number and shit. Save the insults nigga I was asking the question from a regular sports viewers perceptive not some bumass nigga that got UFC action figures and shit. Chill the fuck out.

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[getchamoneyrigh]

Yes, all MMA fights start standing up but all an MMA guy would have to do was shoot for one takedown get it and then the boxer would either get submitted or GNP'd to death. Watch it will happen to James Toney if he gets his wish and gets a fight in the UFC. And why do you think he keeps stalking Dana White about fighting in the UFC cause there's no money in boxing no more.

Not for James Toney, hes washed up and old. B-hop is an exception you cant normally be 40 and box at a high level like you can in MMA. I am sure any boxer that goes into MMA would have some training. And we have seen MMA fighters with min. training get into the octagon and win. Not to mention your arguement is not backed up as Ray Mercer knocked out a former UFC champ in 3 seconds and Anderson Silva who had a respectable amatur boxing career is one of the best pound for pound fighters, and used straight up boxing skills to take out Griffin UFCS video game cover boy easy.

 

[bow to royalty]

mma is more popular bc the only fight it could do to out do the ufc is the 1 u mentioned yet any other fight ufc will beat boxing....

I think any of those 3 fights will out-do a UFC fight. And I'm wondering if the UFC isn't in a little bit of trouble. They went out and got Brock Lesnar (which is a gimmick). Boxing hasn't really turned to any sort of gimmicks to try and "save" their sport.

 

[iAMNOVA]

B-hop is an exception you cant normally be 40 and box at a high level like you can in MMA. I am sure any boxer that goes into MMA would have some training. And we have seen MMA fighters with min. training get into the octagon and win.

C/S meanwhile u have cats that are still fighting and in title contention at 50 ie Randy Couture...try that shit in boxing...lol its seems like in MMA u dont get good til ur 163yrs old...i mean even over hyped Brock Lesnar is like 32 Anderson Silva 36...hell ur call it quits or getting ready to around thoughs ages in every other sport sans Baseball and golf...and yeah Brock Lesnar is a perfect example of someone with minimal training who wins fights like i said...in boxing u just cant be bigger and stronger than ur opponent youll take a serious L at the pro lvls...Look at Tysons latter yrs...or foreman vs Ali...skill in boxing trumps size and power 99% however in MMA its just the opposite..IMO

 

[MurillaNinjaScrilla]

Why hasnt it produced any legends yet? Sure they have stars like Tito Ortiz and Rampage but no legends.

....Can we still consider UFC to be a young sport since it's been around since 1993? Maybe that's why?

Or are most people too squeamish and think it's too violent?

Anyway I always wondered why it is that there are no legendary people in the UFC. Even the WWF/WWE has legends and that isnt even "real."

BTW this isnt a UFC vs. Boxing thread. Im not attacking either I respect both. Just something I noticed.

Wow. First off, the sport is Mixed Martial Arts. There are many legends both in the UFC like Randy Couture and Anderson Silva and outside the UFC like Fedor Emelianenko.

 

[MurillaNinjaScrilla]

Yea MMA dont got that great technical aspect that you get from a great boxing match

Are you kidding me? Everything you can do in boxing you can do in MMA and more. Mixing all martial arts is an art form in it's own and after reading this post and most of this thread I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

 

[MurillaNinjaScrilla]

Good thread. I think it's because those boxers have more rivalries/epic battles (except Tyson but he's just too entertaining to not watch). I don't follow UFC as closely, so I'm not sure but I don't see the same rivalries there. But I think most people like boxing more (as a sport, even if they don't like the current boxers out), because the most exciting thing in a fight is a KO.

The best MMA fights are ones that are stand-up fights, which is a lot of the reason why Chuck Lidell was so popular. Grappling is holding MMA back, but they can't get rid of it.

lol Chuck Liddell was a division 1 wrestler and used his wrestling to control a lot of his fights. Just because someone isn't on the ground doesn't mean they aren't using a form of grappling.

 

[iAMNOVA]

Are you kidding me? Everything you can do in boxing you can do in MMA and more. Mixing all martial arts is an art form in it's own

But Being a master of one style IMO is better than being a jack of all trades...you can technically do some of the things in boxing in mma...but not with the same skill and proficency...just like a Judo player is going to be better at judo than an mma fighter...i think thats all he was trying to say...yeah it takes some skill to learn a few techniques in a few different martial arts which is essentially what mma is...u learn a lil bit of this and a lil bit of that...but u rarely master anything.

 

[Rampage12]

C/S meanwhile u have cats that are still fighting and in title contention at 50 ie Randy Couture...try that shit in boxing...lol its seems like in MMA u dont get good til ur 163yrs old...i mean even over hyped Brock Lesnar is like 32 Anderson Silva 36...hell ur call it quits or getting ready to around thoughs ages in every other sport sans Baseball and golf...and yeah Brock Lesnar is a perfect example of someone with minimal training who wins fights like i said...in boxing u just cant be bigger and stronger than ur opponent youll take a serious L at the pro lvls...Look at Tysons latter yrs...or foreman vs Ali...skill in boxing trumps size and power 99% however in MMA its just the opposite..IMO

You're an idiot, I guess you're too young to remember George Foreman winnin the Heavyweight title when he was 46. And I wouldn't say Brock Lesnar has minimal training he was a All-American wrestler at Minnesota which is the perfect starting base for MMA.

 

[iAMNOVA]

You're an idiot, I guess you're too young to remember George Foreman winnin the Heavyweight title when he was 46. And I wouldn't say Brock Lesnar has minimal training he was a All-American wrestler at Minnesota which is the perfect starting base for MMA.

Lmao...gtfoh...George Foreman was a freak of nature...Big George was losing that fight big time...he had been out boxed the entire fight and he caught Mike Moorer clean and hard...happens doesnt mean he was winning cuz he wasnt...but if u have one punch KO power u always have a chance...and he got his chance in the 10th cuz MM got careless...so GTFOH...everyone knows Brock Lesnar is a NCAA champion in wrestling...Brock uses his size and brute strength to win his fights...wrestling is a sport where being strong can get u far with okay technique and minimal skill....i guess U dont remember Brock getting caught by Mir in a kneebar because of sloppy technique...or Ali using skill and technique to nullify Big George's size and strength advantage??? cuz clearly that didnt happen right...an leave the namecalling out we're grown in here...I fought as an amature boxer and i'm currently a semi-pro MMA fighter and I smash guys way bigger and stronger than me simply because they think they can out muscle me or whatever...u cant take george or brock and use them as examples simply because they are as examples that i can use to prove my point...so try again

 

[getchamoneyrigh]

You're an idiot, I guess you're too young to remember George Foreman winnin the Heavyweight title when he was 46. And I wouldn't say Brock Lesnar has minimal training he was a All-American wrestler at Minnesota which is the perfect starting base for MMA.

Man the HW division was weak as its ever been at that point. Michael Moorer retired soon after cause he was washed up as well. I'd love to see Foreman at that time vs. Lewis or either of the Kiltzscho (SP) brothers.

 

[bow to royalty]

lol Chuck Liddell was a division 1 wrestler and used his wrestling to control a lot of his fights. Just because someone isn't on the ground doesn't mean they aren't using a form of grappling.

You can beat around the bush if you want to, but he's a stand-up fighter and I don't think any1'll disagree. His only grappling was basically doing sprawls to avoid a takedown. So the only "grappling" he did was to avoid grappling. Submissions are boring man, and that's not how people wanna see a fight end 99% of the time. I haven't seen many top 10 submission hi-lights.

 

[Rampage12]

You can beat around the bush if you want to, but he's a stand-up fighter and I don't think any1'll disagree. His only grappling was basically doing sprawls to avoid a takedown. So the only "grappling" he did was to avoid grappling. Submissions are boring man, and that's not how people wanna see a fight end 99% of the time. I haven't seen many top 10 submission hi-lights.

You obviously didn't see the D'arce Choke Paulo Thiago passed out Mike Swick with at UFC 109.

 

[Rampage12]

Man the HW division was weak as its ever been at that point. Michael Moorer retired soon after cause he was washed up as well. I'd love to see Foreman at that time vs. Lewis or either of the Kiltzscho (SP) brothers.

Moorer didn't retire after the Foreman fight, he fought like 6 months after lol.

 

[VIBE]

like Mayweather said UFC isn't really skill required like boxing is,don't get me wrong those guys are talented but anybody can lift weights and fuck people up.

WOW! Really? You seriously think they just lift weights and "fuck up" people? Really? If anything that's what boxing is with a side of stamina. Fuck man lol UFC is wayyyy tougher than boxing. They don't just dance around and jab, they grapple, they have jiu jitsu, kick boxing, wrestling, mui thai etc etc the list goes on. It is called, MIXED MARTIAL ARTS and they have WAYYYY more discipline than boxing. I can't believe you said "JUST lift weights and fuck up people" wow at that. You have no idea what you're talking about.

And to the T/S, you need to brush up on shit before speaking dude. There are legends, YOU just don't know 'em. Theres more than just BJ Penn or GSP, or Anderson Silva. Go back into the start of the sport, the Gracies man. Randy Couture? No? Mark Coleman? No? Didn't you just hear of UFC 109? How about Chuck Liddell? There are legends man lol boxing is so heavy with 'em because it's been around forever and the UFC was almost an underground type sport. It was too violent, now that it's big the legends are getting out there. GOD don't let Joe Rogan know ANYONE is saying this shit lol he would go APE shit on this thread lmao