Why Don't the Police Have an Escalation Protocol Like the Military Does Before Deadly Force is Used?

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Distinction was also difficult as insurgents often deliberately conducted attacks while hiding among groups of civilians. These were calculated moves on the part of insurgents; any civilian casualties caused by U.S. forces turned at least some local sentiment against us. To address this, soldiers were required to positively identify their target. In other words, if you could not see the person attacking you, you were not permitted to return fire.

Of the three, proportionality was the most straightforward tenet to put into practice. After determining a right to self-defense and positively identifying the target, you could engage the target using just enough force to destroy it, without causing extensive collateral damage. For this, we used a common sense test. For example, to subdue a single sniper firing from an apartment complex, it would be disproportionate to call in airstrikes that would level the entire building. Instead, we would directly engage the sniper with small-arms fire, and if necessary, send a team of soldiers in to find and eliminate the threat, attempting to minimize civilian casualties.

While this may sound methodical and measured on paper, in practice, the escalation of force measures might go from shouting to shooting in a matter of seconds; execution required discipline, judgment, and an iron will. It also required dedicated, continuous training. My platoon participated in numerous classes and lectures about the Geneva Convention and the laws of war that included discussions on a wide range of hypothetical scenarios we might encounter. We were issued rules of engagement “smart cards” that every soldier was required to have on them at all times. As a leader, I inspected my soldiers to ensure that they did so. And, prior to every single mission, my platoon would rehearse the rules of engagement as a group.

This exhaustive emphasis on minimizing collateral damage is common across our armed forces. We also don’t keep these values to ourselves. The United States military maintains a presence in over 130 countries around the world. The relationships forged from the resulting military-to-military engagements are crucial in protecting America’s national security interests. They also provide an opportunity for our military forces to communicate, share, and teach our value system and the normative behaviors under which we live. Key among these values are our respect for life, our adherence to international humanitarian law, and observation of the tenets of military necessity, distinction, and proportionality during armed conflict.

Joseph Stalin is attributed as having said, “The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.” As a reflection of our shared American values, across the globe the U.S. military continues to be at the forefront of working to ensure that there are fewer tragedies and no more statistics.

Adam Tiffen is a co-founder of Tri-Star Collaborative, a firm specializing in sustainable development in emerging markets and post-conflict environments. He is a member of the Truman National Security Project’s Defense Council and a veteran of three tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. He may be followed at @tiffendc.
 
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Officer Jason Frederickson, a civilian police officer with the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar Provost Marshal's Office, provides rear security while a fellow officer clears a room at Navy Marine Reserve Center aboard MCAS Miramar, Calif., April 2. The scenarios conducted attempt to be as authentic as possible to aid readiness in the event of an active shooter. U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Owen Kimbrel

America’s Police Have An Escalation Of Force Problem

http://taskandpurpose.com/americas-police-escalation-force-problem/

By BRIAN ADAM JONES on October 14, 2014

Let's set aside the race debate and talk about tactics.

A car window shattered, sending glass flying at children in the backseat in Indiana. A man with a toy gun in a Walmart, shot dead with little interaction with police in Ohio. A flash grenade accidentally tossed into a sleeping child’s crib in Georgia. A man reaching to retrieve his wallet immediately shot in South Carolina.

It sometimes feels we can’t go a week without seeing the headlines or shaky cell phone videos depicting scenes we never imagined.

Coverage of this issue has been swift and widespread. Opinions of the problem are passionate and divided. But let’s set aside for a moment the (valid) discussion about race relations in America.

Let’s talk tactics. Because the real problem that America’s police have is with escalation of force.

Escalation of force is a military doctrine that describes when and how much force should be used.

Ideally, the level of force should start at the lowest possible level. That’s what Marines are taught very early on in training — start with the lowest level of force possible.

But the best example I ever heard of it came in Afghanistan in early 2012. As a combat correspondent with the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing (Forward), I sat down with our commanding general, Maj. Gen. Glenn Walters (who is now a lieutenant general), to discuss the successes and failures of the deployment and what Helmand province would look like moving forward.

I had asked the general what he thought the unit replacing us would see with regards to operational tempo and he said, “The level and intensity will be determined by the enemy.”

There’s the brilliant nuance behind the escalation of force doctrine — you let the person you’re confronting determine the level of force.

Here’s why that works: Your level of force must be justified by the actions of the other person.

One of the ways the military expressed this in Afghanistan and Iraq was through the phrase “shout, show, shove, shoot.”

In a recent piece on Task & Purpose, Adam J. Tiffen outlined how escalation of force worked in a gun turret in Iraq:

“In practice, it worked like this. A turret gunner would first shout at the driver to keep back, and might display a red handheld stop sign during the day, or flash a powerful laser pointer at the driver at night. If the driver continued to breach the minimum distance, the gunner would then visibly show the driver his or her weapon. As shoving was only used for dismounted operations, the gunner would then fire a warning shot over the approaching vehicle. If the driver was still not deterred, the gunner would then shoot to disable the vehicle, targeting the engine block. Only after all other options were exhausted was the gunner authorized to shoot to kill.”

Back in the United States, in these troubling incidents, no objective observer could reasonably claim that police exhausted all other options.

This isn’t a concept that is foreign to law enforcement, where it is often called the “use of force continuum.” But it’s one that seems continually violated. There’s no doubt in my mind that thousands of police officers across the country are doing great and honorable work every day. But this trend of failures and bad practices in communities across America is too important to ignore. We need more from our police departments — better training on when and how to use force, and more accountability when that standard is not met.


 
this is exactly what we do not need in this country. there are over 700k officers in this country. last year 42 were killed by gunfire. 52 died in motor vehicle accidents. a large number of them accidents were single car accidents. the belief that the police are at war with us is wrong. the belief that we should train them the way we train soldiers in combat is a problem. everyone says they put their life on the line ever single day but the truth is they need more defensive driving courses than military shoot and kill courses.

we also need to stop giving veteran preference to police officers. if a dude served in combat we have no idea what that will do to him. nigga get a call of shots fired and might think he is back in Fallujah. come across some kids lightning M-80s and kill them all. military rules of engagement is not the way to go.
 
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the belief that the police are at war with us is wrong.

But they are at war with us.

Did Pat Lynch of the NY Police Union Literally Declare War On Black Citizens?

December 21, 2014
http://melanoidnation.org/did-pat-l...nion-literally-declare-war-on-black-citizens/


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The New York Police Department has allegedly declared “war” after two officers were killed Saturday in their squad car by a lone, mentally disturbed gunman said to be taking revenge for the death of Eric Garner.

The accused Ismaaiyl Brinsley, who reportedly took his own life after the killings, is said to be connected to the Black Guerilla Family prison gang, who police recently warned were gunning for police. Many people believe law enforcement is exaggerating or outright fabricating Brinsley’s association with the BGF gang as a ploy to trump up conspiracy charges on innocent Black people who had nothing to do with the murders of the officers.

Saying “There’s blood on many hands,” the head of the NYPD’s police union, Patrick Lynch, placed much of the blame on the Mayor’s Office and formally asked Mayor Bill de Blasio not to attend the funerals of the slain officers for appearing overly sympathetic to Eric Garner protests.

After the alleged retaliation shooting of the two police officers,there was a memo that was circulated allegedly from Lynch and the police union that seemed to outright declare war on certain individuals:

“(F)or the 1st time in a number of years we have become a “wartime” police department. We will act accordingly” Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, head Pat Lynch said according to different sources.

The memo was picked up by several mainstream news sources and several law enforcement officials retweeted the memo.


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POLICE UNION PRES. PAT LYNCH: “for the 1st time in a number of years we have become a “wartime” police department. We will act accordingly”

— Rob Nelson (@RobNelsonABC7) December 21, 2014

Shortly after the memo was circulated,the police union started to deny they released it. But a press conference given by Pat Lynch echoed the same rhetoric from the memo in a slightly more watered down manner. This has led some to believe that PR reps for the NYPD might have intervened to avoid potential backlash.

So if the memo is authentic and the police unions are declaring “war” and “will act accordingly”,who are they declaring war on? They can’t be talking about declaring war on white citizens because America has never had a history of law enforcement making full on attacks against them.

But Black Americans have been repeatedly attacked militarily by law enforcement for the last 400 years. And the only people who have been repeatedly murdered with impunity in New York by police officers are Black Americans. So this can only lead one to believe that this alleged “war” that Pat Lynch and the Police unions in NYC will be waging will be upon more Black people.

With all of these blatant attacks on Black Americans,isn’t it time that the United Nations started looking into their genocide treaties?
 
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Maximus Rex;9186310 said:
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Officer Jason Frederickson, a civilian police officer with the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar Provost Marshal's Office, provides rear security while a fellow officer clears a room at Navy Marine Reserve Center aboard MCAS Miramar, Calif., April 2. The scenarios conducted attempt to be as authentic as possible to aid readiness in the event of an active shooter. U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Owen Kimbrel

America’s Police Have An Escalation Of Force Problem

http://taskandpurpose.com/americas-police-escalation-force-problem/

By BRIAN ADAM JONES on October 14, 2014

Let's set aside the race debate and talk about tactics.

A car window shattered, sending glass flying at children in the backseat in Indiana. A man with a toy gun in a Walmart, shot dead with little interaction with police in Ohio. A flash grenade accidentally tossed into a sleeping child’s crib in Georgia. A man reaching to retrieve his wallet immediately shot in South Carolina.

It sometimes feels we can’t go a week without seeing the headlines or shaky cell phone videos depicting scenes we never imagined.

Coverage of this issue has been swift and widespread. Opinions of the problem are passionate and divided. But let’s set aside for a moment the (valid) discussion about race relations in America.

Let’s talk tactics. Because the real problem that America’s police have is with escalation of force.

Escalation of force is a military doctrine that describes when and how much force should be used.

Ideally, the level of force should start at the lowest possible level. That’s what Marines are taught very early on in training — start with the lowest level of force possible.

But the best example I ever heard of it came in Afghanistan in early 2012. As a combat correspondent with the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing (Forward), I sat down with our commanding general, Maj. Gen. Glenn Walters (who is now a lieutenant general), to discuss the successes and failures of the deployment and what Helmand province would look like moving forward.

I had asked the general what he thought the unit replacing us would see with regards to operational tempo and he said, “The level and intensity will be determined by the enemy.”

There’s the brilliant nuance behind the escalation of force doctrine — you let the person you’re confronting determine the level of force.

Here’s why that works: Your level of force must be justified by the actions of the other person.

One of the ways the military expressed this in Afghanistan and Iraq was through the phrase “shout, show, shove, shoot.”

In a recent piece on Task & Purpose, Adam J. Tiffen outlined how escalation of force worked in a gun turret in Iraq:

“In practice, it worked like this. A turret gunner would first shout at the driver to keep back, and might display a red handheld stop sign during the day, or flash a powerful laser pointer at the driver at night. If the driver continued to breach the minimum distance, the gunner would then visibly show the driver his or her weapon. As shoving was only used for dismounted operations, the gunner would then fire a warning shot over the approaching vehicle. If the driver was still not deterred, the gunner would then shoot to disable the vehicle, targeting the engine block. Only after all other options were exhausted was the gunner authorized to shoot to kill.”

Back in the United States, in these troubling incidents, no objective observer could reasonably claim that police exhausted all other options.

This isn’t a concept that is foreign to law enforcement, where it is often called the “use of force continuum.” But it’s one that seems continually violated. There’s no doubt in my mind that thousands of police officers across the country are doing great and honorable work every day. But this trend of failures and bad practices in communities across America is too important to ignore. We need more from our police departments — better training on when and how to use force, and more accountability when that standard is not met.
Black politicians and leader need to be pushing for this kind of reform in the way police agencies handle things, but we don't hear anything like that. This whole thing is confusing. We see plenty of protests, but where are the people that are supposed to be pushing the solutions that can be put into action? It's weird. I mean even if everyone agreed there was a problem, there hasn't even really been an attempt to do anything to fix it outside of the influx of body cams.
 
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Folks been asking that for at least a decade. Some of them pussy ass cops already think they're seal team 6 with no military background at all, just 12 units of community college. So they might as well let em live out their fantasy and treat em with the same level of accountability.
 
Jesus christ. Between the long ass quoting, and huge ass sigs, some with gifs in them. Its hard to even follow the conversation. This idiotic site needs rules to what you can put in your sig, like all other sensible vanilla forums.

Anyways. Id have to find the link, but right after the recent shootings, i found some random guy on twitter who is a current trainer of police officers, and he said that theyre trained like shit. Which shows pretty often.

I mean, when certain departments discriminate on you if you have a degree and want to be an officer, we have a problem. That means youre looking for yes sir soldiers of a certain level of intellect. Not people willing to bring about change, and call out bullshit when they see it.

The federal government needs to mandate that all officers have their interactions with citizens recorded from start to finish with body cams, and car cams. There also needs to be a reform on police training, and police health. No one should be out here being an officer, being fat, weak, overweight, or twiggly, and weak.

Officers need to meet stronger minimum physical standards, and HAVE to maintain them at least twice a year. The last thing i want is an encounter with a 250 pound, 5'11 cop, whose trigger happy because hes too fat to even walk up 3 flights of stairs.

 
The reason for the difference in rules of engagement is simple. There are rules to war and consequences for war crimes. Just keeping it a buck..... Who's gonna go to bat for niggas?
 
Seems to me the gov low key shook of the police going rogue. They would have to use the military to stop them if shit went all the way bad and that's the last thing they're trying to do. They are not about to start convicting these cops for nothing. They need them.
 
Vellum;9186568 said:
Jesus christ. Between the long ass quoting, and huge ass sigs, some with gifs in them. Its hard to even follow the conversation. This idiotic site needs rules to what you can put in your sig, like all other sensible vanilla forums.

Anyways. Id have to find the link, but right after the recent shootings, i found some random guy on twitter who is a current trainer of police officers, and he said that theyre trained like shit. Which shows pretty often.

I mean, when certain departments discriminate on you if you have a degree and want to be an officer, we have a problem. That means youre looking for yes sir soldiers of a certain level of intellect. Not people willing to bring about change, and call out bullshit when they see it.

The federal government needs to mandate that all officers have their interactions with citizens recorded from start to finish with body cams, and car cams. There also needs to be a reform on police training, and police health. No one should be out here being an officer, being fat, weak, overweight, or twiggly, and weak.

Officers need to meet stronger minimum physical standards, and HAVE to maintain them at least twice a year. The last thing i want is an encounter with a 250 pound, 5'11 cop, whose trigger happy because hes too fat to even walk up 3 flights of stairs.

You have the option to turn off sigs in your account settings.
 
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And down here officers do not have to, legally, exhaust lower levels of force options before moving on to another so long that it's justified. Thing is the leeway when it come to what is justified.

Also I do agree with @Vellum 's point about higher standards.
 

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