Why do people call the devil a "thief, liar, and murderer"?

[alissowack]

This is why salvation is such an idiotic concept.

G-d puts man in a position to fail, knowing they would surely fail, punishes them for failing, makes an elaborate plan to save SOME of them, and expects GRATITUDE for it?

Fuck that. If the police planted coke on you then locked you up on drug charges, only to let you go months later, would you be greatful to them? If they claimed to have done it for your good, would you love them for granting you the experience? If you had a lawyer that was willing to fight the charges on your behalf, would you blame them for your predicament?

I think the police example is a bad one. Cops planting drugs on somebody means the accused didn't have a choice in the matter. The cop's intentions were to find someone guilty whether they were guilty of something or not. I doubt cops bust people to teach them some valuable life lesson. That just goes against how justice system is suppose to work. Now if I was falsely accused, I would feel some type of way about it, but my hope is that I can step back and see that it is in our sinful nature to lie on each other.

Being in a position to fail is totally different than failing. Jesus was in a desert yet he chose God. You still have a choice to either do what's right or wrong.

I was referring to humanity and the fall of man. Adam and Eve didn't choose to be created, nor could they have understood the gravity of punishment that resulted from eating from the tree. In that regard, their hands we're tied.

Their hands were not tied. Adam and Eve didn't need to know the gravity of the consequence. They just need to trust God with the things He said to do or not do. However, they placed their trust in what the serpent had to say.

What does it mean to be told you'll die when you have no idea what death is?

If I say, "don't post in this thread again or you'll vlopadorp", you won't even know what to truly make of it because you have no idea what "vlopadorp" is.

But what does that have to do with trusting God? Adam and Eve may not have known what death was, but they should have known in their time in the garden that God knew what's best for them. He hadn't done anything to betray their trust. But the serpent did.

And in regards to that "vlopadorp"...if I knew you to be trustworthy; that you mean well to all those you gave sound advice to, I would take your word for it even if I don't know what that word is. But, I don't trust you...and you shouldn't trust me either. I would want to know.

 

[alissowack]

@allissowack

If Jesus's death for his beliefs comforts you and helps you deal with the world and yourself, okay no problem. I just don't understand why the Bible god turns into a massive killer or commands the deaths of others that don't want to pray or believe in it. If it wasn't for the Abrahamic god's support and co-signing of savage behavior at times, I wouldn't be as disgusted by it. The lies do not help either, I know we have a philosophical difference on whether it's lies Jesus tells or if it's, I don't know, whatever you say it is. At face value, he gave some misleading statements.

Mark 11:24

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."



Ummm....that didn't happen in Nigeria with Boko Haram. Didn't work out in Libya. I've seen the prayers on Twitter for myself....prayers to Jesus didn't work those times. It didn't save him either.

And people are noticing how bad the world is getting in some ways, but it's not like THAT is gonna make people have more faith in the Abrahamic god. If anything, it makes many people doubt it more.

But in what context are you using Mark 11:24? Are you using it in light of what God has done already...or are you using God to serve as some genie who churns up wishes.

But I'll risk it and go ahead and answer. He's a genie in your perspective. He is suppose to just give you stuff on command. You don't care if He doesn't care how He does it or why He does it...or whether someone is just playing Him like...OK, I conned Him to do this once; let me see if I can get Him to do it again.

When I come to God in prayer, I come in light of what He has done through Jesus...which is more than enough. That sets my perspective on how I need to pray. My prayer in the difficult times of people's lives is that God grants them a spiritual wellbeing; that their souls are comforted and given strength to persevere. I try not to pray for circumstances to get better or worse for I don't know how God is using those circumstances in people's lives...for all I know, asking God to bring about wealth and prosperity may bring out the worst in a person.

Prayer did "work" for Jesus. Through his sacrifice, he gets to one day be reunited with the people who trusted in His Father's Will for their lives. Jesus didn't see his death as a setback. He saw it as something that needed to happen and in the way that it needed to happen.

 

[alissowack]

@zzombie I should have quoted you if I paid attention to you using that "God is not a genie" post.

 

[Fosheezy]

Technically, Prayer to God is a privilege, and a spiritual blessing in Christ Jesus received by those who've been converted and those who are not spiritually dead in their sins. God doesn't hear everyone's prayer. That why you know it's messed up when you look at mainstream Christianity on the TV having alien sinners trying pray themselves into being saved. Nowhere in the book did any conversion take place through simply praying, no , you have to go repent and go down in the water and be washed of sins first before you get the blessing of being in communication with GOD to pray to him.

 

[Fosheezy]

Technically, Prayer to God is a privilege, and a spiritual blessing in Christ Jesus received by those who've been converted and those who are not spiritually dead in their sins. God doesn't hear everyone's prayer. That why you know it's messed up when you look at mainstream Christianity on the TV having alien sinners trying pray themselves into being saved. Nowhere in the book did any conversion take place through simply praying, no , you have to go repent and go down in the water and be washed of sins first before you get the blessing of being in communication with GOD to pray to him.

Somebody cosign this man.

 

[kingblaze84]

@allissowack

If Jesus's death for his beliefs comforts you and helps you deal with the world and yourself, okay no problem. I just don't understand why the Bible god turns into a massive killer or commands the deaths of others that don't want to pray or believe in it. If it wasn't for the Abrahamic god's support and co-signing of savage behavior at times, I wouldn't be as disgusted by it. The lies do not help either, I know we have a philosophical difference on whether it's lies Jesus tells or if it's, I don't know, whatever you say it is. At face value, he gave some misleading statements.

Mark 11:24

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."



Ummm....that didn't happen in Nigeria with Boko Haram. Didn't work out in Libya. I've seen the prayers on Twitter for myself....prayers to Jesus didn't work those times. It didn't save him either.

And people are noticing how bad the world is getting in some ways, but it's not like THAT is gonna make people have more faith in the Abrahamic god. If anything, it makes many people doubt it more.

But in what context are you using Mark 11:24? Are you using it in light of what God has done already...or are you using God to serve as some genie who churns up wishes.

But I'll risk it and go ahead and answer. He's a genie in your perspective. He is suppose to just give you stuff on command. You don't care if He doesn't care how He does it or why He does it...or whether someone is just playing Him like...OK, I conned Him to do this once; let me see if I can get Him to do it again.

When I come to God in prayer, I come in light of what He has done through Jesus...which is more than enough. That sets my perspective on how I need to pray. My prayer in the difficult times of people's lives is that God grants them a spiritual wellbeing; that their souls are comforted and given strength to persevere. I try not to pray for circumstances to get better or worse for I don't know how God is using those circumstances in people's lives...for all I know, asking God to bring about wealth and prosperity may bring out the worst in a person.

Prayer did "work" for Jesus. Through his sacrifice, he gets to one day be reunited with the people who trusted in His Father's Will for their lives. Jesus didn't see his death as a setback. He saw it as something that needed to happen and in the way that it needed to happen.

Well he said what he said in the book, maybe the writers of the Bible misheard what he said. The words speak for itself, there are other passages very similar to that.

I find it interesting that his death wasn't seen as a setback but the prophecies weren't finished, and still haven't been after all this time. If you can let all that slide, good for you. You're more patient then me, cuz 2,000 plus years of prophecies not being fulfilled sounds like a hell of a setback.

 

[alissowack]

@allissowack

If Jesus's death for his beliefs comforts you and helps you deal with the world and yourself, okay no problem. I just don't understand why the Bible god turns into a massive killer or commands the deaths of others that don't want to pray or believe in it. If it wasn't for the Abrahamic god's support and co-signing of savage behavior at times, I wouldn't be as disgusted by it. The lies do not help either, I know we have a philosophical difference on whether it's lies Jesus tells or if it's, I don't know, whatever you say it is. At face value, he gave some misleading statements.

Mark 11:24

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."



Ummm....that didn't happen in Nigeria with Boko Haram. Didn't work out in Libya. I've seen the prayers on Twitter for myself....prayers to Jesus didn't work those times. It didn't save him either.

And people are noticing how bad the world is getting in some ways, but it's not like THAT is gonna make people have more faith in the Abrahamic god. If anything, it makes many people doubt it more.

But in what context are you using Mark 11:24? Are you using it in light of what God has done already...or are you using God to serve as some genie who churns up wishes.

But I'll risk it and go ahead and answer. He's a genie in your perspective. He is suppose to just give you stuff on command. You don't care if He doesn't care how He does it or why He does it...or whether someone is just playing Him like...OK, I conned Him to do this once; let me see if I can get Him to do it again.

When I come to God in prayer, I come in light of what He has done through Jesus...which is more than enough. That sets my perspective on how I need to pray. My prayer in the difficult times of people's lives is that God grants them a spiritual wellbeing; that their souls are comforted and given strength to persevere. I try not to pray for circumstances to get better or worse for I don't know how God is using those circumstances in people's lives...for all I know, asking God to bring about wealth and prosperity may bring out the worst in a person.

Prayer did "work" for Jesus. Through his sacrifice, he gets to one day be reunited with the people who trusted in His Father's Will for their lives. Jesus didn't see his death as a setback. He saw it as something that needed to happen and in the way that it needed to happen.

Well he said what he said in the book, maybe the writers of the Bible misheard what he said. The words speak for itself, there are other passages very similar to that.

I find it interesting that his death wasn't seen as a setback but the prophecies weren't finished, and still haven't been after all this time. If you can let all that slide, good for you. You're more patient then me, cuz 2,000 plus years of prophecies not being fulfilled sounds like a hell of a setback.

...pretty much what Satan did to Jesus in the desert. Satan quotes Psalms 91:11-12 to Jesus as a reason to throw himself down. Jesus knew what that scripture said, but he knew what Satan was using it for...so he quotes Deuteronomy 6:16. You want Mark 11:24 to support your perspective on the Bible.

When Jesus was crucified, his followers saw it as a set back. They were under the impression that he would come and establish political rule over the land, but he didn't come for that. Again, according to the Bible, he did do what he set out to do...save mankind from sin. That's more than enough. Now if you are referring to Jesus's return...if it happens, then it does. But, that is not the focus. People in the Old Testament who knew of Jesus coming never got a chance to see him, but I doubt they were sitting around waiting for some type of confirmation.

 

[kingblaze84]

@allissowack

If Jesus's death for his beliefs comforts you and helps you deal with the world and yourself, okay no problem. I just don't understand why the Bible god turns into a massive killer or commands the deaths of others that don't want to pray or believe in it. If it wasn't for the Abrahamic god's support and co-signing of savage behavior at times, I wouldn't be as disgusted by it. The lies do not help either, I know we have a philosophical difference on whether it's lies Jesus tells or if it's, I don't know, whatever you say it is. At face value, he gave some misleading statements.

Mark 11:24

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."



Ummm....that didn't happen in Nigeria with Boko Haram. Didn't work out in Libya. I've seen the prayers on Twitter for myself....prayers to Jesus didn't work those times. It didn't save him either.

And people are noticing how bad the world is getting in some ways, but it's not like THAT is gonna make people have more faith in the Abrahamic god. If anything, it makes many people doubt it more.

But in what context are you using Mark 11:24? Are you using it in light of what God has done already...or are you using God to serve as some genie who churns up wishes.

But I'll risk it and go ahead and answer. He's a genie in your perspective. He is suppose to just give you stuff on command. You don't care if He doesn't care how He does it or why He does it...or whether someone is just playing Him like...OK, I conned Him to do this once; let me see if I can get Him to do it again.

When I come to God in prayer, I come in light of what He has done through Jesus...which is more than enough. That sets my perspective on how I need to pray. My prayer in the difficult times of people's lives is that God grants them a spiritual wellbeing; that their souls are comforted and given strength to persevere. I try not to pray for circumstances to get better or worse for I don't know how God is using those circumstances in people's lives...for all I know, asking God to bring about wealth and prosperity may bring out the worst in a person.

Prayer did "work" for Jesus. Through his sacrifice, he gets to one day be reunited with the people who trusted in His Father's Will for their lives. Jesus didn't see his death as a setback. He saw it as something that needed to happen and in the way that it needed to happen.

Well he said what he said in the book, maybe the writers of the Bible misheard what he said. The words speak for itself, there are other passages very similar to that.

I find it interesting that his death wasn't seen as a setback but the prophecies weren't finished, and still haven't been after all this time. If you can let all that slide, good for you. You're more patient then me, cuz 2,000 plus years of prophecies not being fulfilled sounds like a hell of a setback.

...pretty much what Satan did to Jesus in the desert. Satan quotes Psalms 91:11-12 to Jesus as a reason to throw himself down. Jesus knew what that scripture said, but he knew what Satan was using it for...so he quotes Deuteronomy 6:16. You want Mark 11:24 to support your perspective on the Bible.

When Jesus was crucified, his followers saw it as a set back. They were under the impression that he would come and establish political rule over the land, but he didn't come for that. Again, according to the Bible, he did do what he set out to do...save mankind from sin. That's more than enough. Now if you are referring to Jesus's return...if it happens, then it does. But, that is not the focus. People in the Old Testament who knew of Jesus coming never got a chance to see him, but I doubt they were sitting around waiting for some type of confirmation.

Okay you're more trusting than I am lol. I've always been the skeptical, thinking type. The only kind of god I would worship would be a powerful one. It seems the kind of god you worship doesn't fit into my criteria, and likely never will.

As a strong man physically and mentally, I dislike weakness from so called higher powers. Jesus claiming it would answer prayers for its followers and being unable to do so in major cases is a huge sign of weakness for me.

Because the Bible god is unable to show its powers anymore, I can't in all honesty, even call it a god. A god is supposed to be powerful.....I don't see those characteristics in your god in these modern times. But if you see them, good for you. I'll continue my heathen lifestyle in a meanwhile.

 

[zzombie]

this dude is under six feet and under 200 pounds and is talking about he's physically strong lmao lolololo.

this dude is also too apprehensive about the future to have children yet is talking about he's mentally strong lmao lololol

 

[kingblaze84]

this dude is under six feet and under 200 pounds and is talking about he's physically strong lmao lolololo.

this dude is also too apprehensive about the future to have children yet is talking about he's mentally strong lmao lololol

LMAO.....I've never lost a fight before, you thought I was exaggerating about that in the GNS? I wasn't.

And people can be mentally tough and not want kids. Everyone knows what works best for them. Was Wilt Chamberlain mentally weak??

 

[zzombie]

this dude is under six feet and under 200 pounds and is talking about he's physically strong lmao lolololo.

this dude is also too apprehensive about the future to have children yet is talking about he's mentally strong lmao lololol

LMAO.....I've never lost a fight before, you thought I was exaggerating about that in the GNS? I wasn't.

And people can be mentally tough and not want kids. Everyone knows what works best for them. Was Wilt Chamberlain mentally weak??

You probably never got in a real fight then. You are like 5'4 150 pounds, , Nigga who are your fighting??? I mean seriously.

Not wanting children doesn't make you weak it's your given reason that makes you mentally weak.

 

[zzombie]

This guy's Napoleon complex is in overdrive.

 

[kingblaze84]

this dude is under six feet and under 200 pounds and is talking about he's physically strong lmao lolololo.

this dude is also too apprehensive about the future to have children yet is talking about he's mentally strong lmao lololol

LMAO.....I've never lost a fight before, you thought I was exaggerating about that in the GNS? I wasn't.

And people can be mentally tough and not want kids. Everyone knows what works best for them. Was Wilt Chamberlain mentally weak??

You probably never got in a real fight then. You are like 5'4 150 pounds, , Nigga who are your fighting??? I mean seriously.

Not wanting children doesn't make you weak it's your given reason that makes you mentally weak.

I've never been in a real fight?? LOL that's funny! I sent a 6'1, 220 pound dude to the hospital like 7 years ago, sent another tall guy to the hospital four years ago. Both needed surgery, and I smashed one of their bitches a few weeks later. I can say more but I don't want people thinking I'm trying to brag.

And my reason of not wanting the stress doesn't make me weak. I'm not into changing diapers or waking up early to bottle feed. If I'm weak, then so was Wilt Chamberlain, he said the same shit I said.

 

[kingblaze84]

This guy's Napoleon complex is in overdrive.

WRONG AGAIN. Aren't you tired of being wrong in this thread?

 

[zzombie]

This guy's Napoleon complex is in overdrive.

WRONG AGAIN. Aren't you tired of being wrong in this thread?

Who decided that I am wrong ?? You . Foh

 

[alissowack]

@allissowack

If Jesus's death for his beliefs comforts you and helps you deal with the world and yourself, okay no problem. I just don't understand why the Bible god turns into a massive killer or commands the deaths of others that don't want to pray or believe in it. If it wasn't for the Abrahamic god's support and co-signing of savage behavior at times, I wouldn't be as disgusted by it. The lies do not help either, I know we have a philosophical difference on whether it's lies Jesus tells or if it's, I don't know, whatever you say it is. At face value, he gave some misleading statements.

Mark 11:24

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."



Ummm....that didn't happen in Nigeria with Boko Haram. Didn't work out in Libya. I've seen the prayers on Twitter for myself....prayers to Jesus didn't work those times. It didn't save him either.

And people are noticing how bad the world is getting in some ways, but it's not like THAT is gonna make people have more faith in the Abrahamic god. If anything, it makes many people doubt it more.

But in what context are you using Mark 11:24? Are you using it in light of what God has done already...or are you using God to serve as some genie who churns up wishes.

But I'll risk it and go ahead and answer. He's a genie in your perspective. He is suppose to just give you stuff on command. You don't care if He doesn't care how He does it or why He does it...or whether someone is just playing Him like...OK, I conned Him to do this once; let me see if I can get Him to do it again.

When I come to God in prayer, I come in light of what He has done through Jesus...which is more than enough. That sets my perspective on how I need to pray. My prayer in the difficult times of people's lives is that God grants them a spiritual wellbeing; that their souls are comforted and given strength to persevere. I try not to pray for circumstances to get better or worse for I don't know how God is using those circumstances in people's lives...for all I know, asking God to bring about wealth and prosperity may bring out the worst in a person.

Prayer did "work" for Jesus. Through his sacrifice, he gets to one day be reunited with the people who trusted in His Father's Will for their lives. Jesus didn't see his death as a setback. He saw it as something that needed to happen and in the way that it needed to happen.

Well he said what he said in the book, maybe the writers of the Bible misheard what he said. The words speak for itself, there are other passages very similar to that.

I find it interesting that his death wasn't seen as a setback but the prophecies weren't finished, and still haven't been after all this time. If you can let all that slide, good for you. You're more patient then me, cuz 2,000 plus years of prophecies not being fulfilled sounds like a hell of a setback.

...pretty much what Satan did to Jesus in the desert. Satan quotes Psalms 91:11-12 to Jesus as a reason to throw himself down. Jesus knew what that scripture said, but he knew what Satan was using it for...so he quotes Deuteronomy 6:16. You want Mark 11:24 to support your perspective on the Bible.

When Jesus was crucified, his followers saw it as a set back. They were under the impression that he would come and establish political rule over the land, but he didn't come for that. Again, according to the Bible, he did do what he set out to do...save mankind from sin. That's more than enough. Now if you are referring to Jesus's return...if it happens, then it does. But, that is not the focus. People in the Old Testament who knew of Jesus coming never got a chance to see him, but I doubt they were sitting around waiting for some type of confirmation.

Okay you're more trusting than I am lol. I've always been the skeptical, thinking type. The only kind of god I would worship would be a powerful one. It seems the kind of god you worship doesn't fit into my criteria, and likely never will.

As a strong man physically and mentally, I dislike weakness from so called higher powers. Jesus claiming it would answer prayers for its followers and being unable to do so in major cases is a huge sign of weakness for me.

Because the Bible god is unable to show its powers anymore, I can't in all honesty, even call it a god. A god is supposed to be powerful.....I don't see those characteristics in your god in these modern times. But if you see them, good for you. I'll continue my heathen lifestyle in a meanwhile.

I don't see how exactly what I posted has anything to do with me being more or less trusting than you. But, I have been trying to emphasize that trust is essential.

Now you are sounding like Israel in the Bible...that the only way they would feel like God is worthy of worship is that He displays power and might...and can cook according to you. If God (of the Bible) does exists, we are either for Him or against Him. There is no variety in how we want God to be. God is who God is. Besides, what good is power if you don't trust in anybody who has it? Power is not good just for the sake of having it.

 

[zzombie]

this dude is under six feet and under 200 pounds and is talking about he's physically strong lmao lolololo.

this dude is also too apprehensive about the future to have children yet is talking about he's mentally strong lmao lololol

LMAO.....I've never lost a fight before, you thought I was exaggerating about that in the GNS? I wasn't.

And people can be mentally tough and not want kids. Everyone knows what works best for them. Was Wilt Chamberlain mentally weak??

You probably never got in a real fight then. You are like 5'4 150 pounds, , Nigga who are your fighting??? I mean seriously.

Not wanting children doesn't make you weak it's your given reason that makes you mentally weak.

I've never been in a real fight?? LOL that's funny! I sent a 6'1, 220 pound dude to the hospital like 7 years ago, sent another tall guy to the hospital four years ago. Both needed surgery, and I smashed one of their bitches a few weeks later. I can say more but I don't want people thinking I'm trying to brag.

And my reason of not wanting the stress doesn't make me weak. I'm not into changing diapers or waking up early to bottle feed. If I'm weak, then so was Wilt Chamberlain, he said the same shit I said.

Lolololololoooooolololololi.....lmao And foh @ you expecting me to believe those lies. The only way you are doing that shit is with a sucker punch and even then the bigger guy has to be either an idiot or be 220 pounds of fat

Short guys stay living in fantasy worlds.

You told me in another thread that you didn't want kids because you worry about the world they will be coming into. That mindframe is what makes you weak.

 

[kingblaze84]

@allissowack

If Jesus's death for his beliefs comforts you and helps you deal with the world and yourself, okay no problem. I just don't understand why the Bible god turns into a massive killer or commands the deaths of others that don't want to pray or believe in it. If it wasn't for the Abrahamic god's support and co-signing of savage behavior at times, I wouldn't be as disgusted by it. The lies do not help either, I know we have a philosophical difference on whether it's lies Jesus tells or if it's, I don't know, whatever you say it is. At face value, he gave some misleading statements.

Mark 11:24

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."



Ummm....that didn't happen in Nigeria with Boko Haram. Didn't work out in Libya. I've seen the prayers on Twitter for myself....prayers to Jesus didn't work those times. It didn't save him either.

And people are noticing how bad the world is getting in some ways, but it's not like THAT is gonna make people have more faith in the Abrahamic god. If anything, it makes many people doubt it more.

But in what context are you using Mark 11:24? Are you using it in light of what God has done already...or are you using God to serve as some genie who churns up wishes.

But I'll risk it and go ahead and answer. He's a genie in your perspective. He is suppose to just give you stuff on command. You don't care if He doesn't care how He does it or why He does it...or whether someone is just playing Him like...OK, I conned Him to do this once; let me see if I can get Him to do it again.

When I come to God in prayer, I come in light of what He has done through Jesus...which is more than enough. That sets my perspective on how I need to pray. My prayer in the difficult times of people's lives is that God grants them a spiritual wellbeing; that their souls are comforted and given strength to persevere. I try not to pray for circumstances to get better or worse for I don't know how God is using those circumstances in people's lives...for all I know, asking God to bring about wealth and prosperity may bring out the worst in a person.

Prayer did "work" for Jesus. Through his sacrifice, he gets to one day be reunited with the people who trusted in His Father's Will for their lives. Jesus didn't see his death as a setback. He saw it as something that needed to happen and in the way that it needed to happen.

Well he said what he said in the book, maybe the writers of the Bible misheard what he said. The words speak for itself, there are other passages very similar to that.

I find it interesting that his death wasn't seen as a setback but the prophecies weren't finished, and still haven't been after all this time. If you can let all that slide, good for you. You're more patient then me, cuz 2,000 plus years of prophecies not being fulfilled sounds like a hell of a setback.

...pretty much what Satan did to Jesus in the desert. Satan quotes Psalms 91:11-12 to Jesus as a reason to throw himself down. Jesus knew what that scripture said, but he knew what Satan was using it for...so he quotes Deuteronomy 6:16. You want Mark 11:24 to support your perspective on the Bible.

When Jesus was crucified, his followers saw it as a set back. They were under the impression that he would come and establish political rule over the land, but he didn't come for that. Again, according to the Bible, he did do what he set out to do...save mankind from sin. That's more than enough. Now if you are referring to Jesus's return...if it happens, then it does. But, that is not the focus. People in the Old Testament who knew of Jesus coming never got a chance to see him, but I doubt they were sitting around waiting for some type of confirmation.

Okay you're more trusting than I am lol. I've always been the skeptical, thinking type. The only kind of god I would worship would be a powerful one. It seems the kind of god you worship doesn't fit into my criteria, and likely never will.

As a strong man physically and mentally, I dislike weakness from so called higher powers. Jesus claiming it would answer prayers for its followers and being unable to do so in major cases is a huge sign of weakness for me.

Because the Bible god is unable to show its powers anymore, I can't in all honesty, even call it a god. A god is supposed to be powerful.....I don't see those characteristics in your god in these modern times. But if you see them, good for you. I'll continue my heathen lifestyle in a meanwhile.

I don't see how exactly what I posted has anything to do with me being more or less trusting than you. But, I have been trying to emphasize that trust is essential.

Now you are sounding like Israel in the Bible...that the only way they would feel like God is worthy of worship is that He displays power and might...and can cook according to you. If God (of the Bible) does exists, we are either for Him or against Him. There is no variety in how we want God to be. God is who God is. Besides, what good is power if you don't trust in anybody who has it? Power is not good just for the sake of having it.

Well that's the thing, you believe in the Bible god despite all the prophecies not being fulfilled after all this time, while I do not trust the Bible god. That's the trust I am speaking about. I don't really have a reason TO trust the Bible god, with all the broken promises via the UNFULFILLED prophecies. After 2,000 plus years, it had its chance.

And your god is who it is, that is true. But because of that, it's not really giving me and other heathens/ non-religious folk a reason to believe anything its holy books say. If a god can't prove its power after 2,000 plus years, and yet it was all active back in the day, why should I NOT believe that your god is dead or maybe never really existed? Trust needs to be a two way street. I can't put trust in something if it won't even show itself or its power.

A god is supposed to be powerful and act powerful. If it doesn't act like none of those things, I would feel silly praying or worshipping it. I would feel strange praying to such an impotent being, as I did back when I was Christian.

 

[kingblaze84]

this dude is under six feet and under 200 pounds and is talking about he's physically strong lmao lolololo.

this dude is also too apprehensive about the future to have children yet is talking about he's mentally strong lmao lololol

LMAO.....I've never lost a fight before, you thought I was exaggerating about that in the GNS? I wasn't.

And people can be mentally tough and not want kids. Everyone knows what works best for them. Was Wilt Chamberlain mentally weak??

You probably never got in a real fight then. You are like 5'4 150 pounds, , Nigga who are your fighting??? I mean seriously.

Not wanting children doesn't make you weak it's your given reason that makes you mentally weak.

I've never been in a real fight?? LOL that's funny! I sent a 6'1, 220 pound dude to the hospital like 7 years ago, sent another tall guy to the hospital four years ago. Both needed surgery, and I smashed one of their bitches a few weeks later. I can say more but I don't want people thinking I'm trying to brag.

And my reason of not wanting the stress doesn't make me weak. I'm not into changing diapers or waking up early to bottle feed. If I'm weak, then so was Wilt Chamberlain, he said the same shit I said.

Lolololololoooooolololololi.....lmao And foh @ you expecting me to believe those lies. The only way you are doing that shit is with a sucker punch and even then the bigger guy has to be either an idiot or be 220 pounds of fat

Short guys stay living in fantasy worlds.

You told me in another thread that you didn't want kids because you worry about the world they will be coming into. That mindframe is what makes you weak.

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! You think only 6 footers can fight?? SMH, how tall are you fool. You must have never watched Animal Planet, there are plenty of small or short animals that make animals twice their size cry with pain. You must be a wack ass fighter, unlike me.

In fact I beat someone's ass so bad one year that when cops got called, they thought someone beat him with a tire iron. He was 6'0 tall at least. No lies, all truth, but keep denying that. You're only boosting my ego.

As far as my reasons for not wanting kids, you named my secondary reason. But the main reason is I want my freedom. Wanting freedom doesn't make someone weak, but your Bible god sure seems weak when it comes to saving its followers from getting their heads chopped off.

 

[Lab Baby]

To understand the bible from a Christian's perspective, you'd have to be a Christian. That in itself is hard work, because you have to believe things a person not walking in faith wouldn't begin to comprehend. The bible is not to be taken literal... anyone telling you otherwise is deeply deluded. When Christians talk to me, I tend to just sit and listen, then I throw my two cents in. When they start to go off tangent with talks of eternal hellfire and me needing to be saved, I cut in with the theological contradictions that they choose to walk with.

All that being said, almost every religion, especially the western ones, has a devil, or an adversary to the All Being God. The devil is usually the one that takes humans away from paradise by giving them knowledge of good and evil, or some knowledge that has no real use in the paradise God created for them. Satan/the serpent with the fruit, Prometheus with the fire, Pandora's box, etc. The common idea of these stories is to teach us that what we understand as "knowledge"... science, math, technology, economics, etc... is simply earthly information to keep us in a loop. The true knowledge that keeps life going... like love, will, faith, courage, can't be taught in a book. All these things are within you, but the devil will convince you to look outside of yourself for an answer that you weren't even looking for in the first place, because he/they don't have those things within them to begin with.

The "Satan" character is the type of dude to start something to stir the pot, and humans can do nothing but react to it, and then when the smoke clears it seems that we did the most dirt, not knowing that Satan's one action caused the whole thing. The murdering, raping, wars, slavery, prostitution... all these things were started and kept in existence by a circulating lie that people choose to believe for their own self interest. The "devil" stole our humanity, lied about our destiny, and killed off the hopes to become a greater humanity without him.