Why do people call the devil a "thief, liar, and murderer"?

[zzombie]

By the Bible god admitting it created calamity, it admits to creating the following:

genocide

kidnapping

rapes

incurabale diseases

earthquakes that kill hundreds of thousands

burn victims

amputees

air plane crashes

people born with Cerebral Palsy

babies born without eyes or outer skin

etc

@zombie

Am I wrong? The Bible god, after all, admits to CREATING MISFORTUNE and acts that do others great harm.

SEE the last post none of those things necessarily evil especially the natural phenomenons.

 

[zzombie]

And by the way god never commands rape.

 

[The_Jackal]

Good to see you still misquoting shit @kingblaze84 .

 

[Ajackson17]

Good and evil is not the correct wording but function and dysfunction. Meaning the logical side not the right brain.

The hebrew people were concrete people meaning nothing they said was abstract. It was against their culture. While the Greeks were abstract speakers.

 

[LUClEN]

Tell dem already

 

[kingblaze84]

It's funny how the same people indoctrinated by biblical lore are unable to point to one instance in which the supposed Father of Lies has ever actually lied.

A thief? The same people who sing "what God has for me, it is for me" and mindlessly exclaim "God giveth God taketh away" can't explain how the devil could ever possibly steal anything.

Murderer? Which immortal being has control over life and death and inspires nations to go to war?

You Christians are horribly confused. You give glory to your god for your success and blame the devil for your failures, all the while claiming to have free will.

The devil lies in the garden.

thereby causing sin to be cast into man thereby creating the potential for murder, rape and all sort of evil.

and any christian that blames the devil for them participating in those sins is in error.

**Buzzer sound**

WROOOOONG. The Bible god admits to creating evil/calamity. TRY AGAIN

Calamity is not evil. I've had this discussion with you at least twice already you hard headed idiot.

There is a significant difference between evil and calamity. Evil is wickedness for wickedness sake it's pain and suffering created for no other intention other than to destroy while bringing pleasure to the one who creates it.

Calamity is still evil fool! Misfortune and horror are all bad things dummy. Rape and genocides are all evil things but that's all a part of calamity too. Why create calamity if the Bible god, who is all knowing and seeing allegedly, knows what was gonna happen with that.

Don't get me started on what humans have done with "calamity", why create it in the first place. A god like yours that creates misfortune and all the horrible things that calamity bring has to be evil, and for your Bible god to admit that is beyond ridiculous.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/calamity

calamity

noun ca·lam·i·ty \kə-ˈla-mə-tē\

: an event that causes great harm and suffering

You are the fool my friend, you gave the dictionary definition of EVIL but we are talking about religion and the religious definition of evil is not quite the same thing as we use in common language. IN your ignorant mind and i call you ignorant respectfully, you seem to think that pain, death and dying are evil you think that because something is bad or painful then it's evil but strictly religiously speaking this is not so.

To you A beneficent God maximizes pleasure and minimizes suffering. But any good parent or for that matter any bodybuilder will tell you that sometimes you have to maximize suffering and minimize pleasure to attain a beneficent outcome.

let me say it again death,pain, suffering etc etc etc are not necessarily Evil.

I actually gave you the definition of calamity in that post......see how similar it is to evil? You even confused it for the word evil lol

And what parent would maximize suffering while raising a child? Only an abusive parent would do some shit like that. Bodybuilders need pain to get stronger, I know this as a weightlifter but I don't create misery for myself and others as I weightlift. You gave some terrible examples. If I want to punish my child, I won't amputate his arm off, for example.

 

[kingblaze84]

Good to see you still misquoting shit @kingblaze84 .

How did I misquote anything...? Did I make anything up?

Isaiah 45:7

"7 I form the light and create darkness,

I make peace and create calamity (evil in most Bibles);

I, the LORD, do all these things.’"

ALL THESE THINGS.....more proof the Bible god is a demon. No coincidence it orders wholesale murders of many just for believing in other gods. As Christians did very well worldwide for a long time.

 

[kingblaze84]

And by the way god never commands rape.

That's debatable but the Bible god clearly orders massive genocides for those who believe in other gods. The Bible god claims it created calamity, so it more or less admits to creating rape or the idea of it.

It's fascinating that Satan never once orders such massive destruction and wholesale murders. Also, it's very fascinating the Bible god admits to deceiving and thereby LYING when it has to. Read thread title to get the irony.

 

[zzombie]

It's funny how the same people indoctrinated by biblical lore are unable to point to one instance in which the supposed Father of Lies has ever actually lied.

A thief? The same people who sing "what God has for me, it is for me" and mindlessly exclaim "God giveth God taketh away" can't explain how the devil could ever possibly steal anything.

Murderer? Which immortal being has control over life and death and inspires nations to go to war?

You Christians are horribly confused. You give glory to your god for your success and blame the devil for your failures, all the while claiming to have free will.

The devil lies in the garden.

thereby causing sin to be cast into man thereby creating the potential for murder, rape and all sort of evil.

and any christian that blames the devil for them participating in those sins is in error.

**Buzzer sound**

WROOOOONG. The Bible god admits to creating evil/calamity. TRY AGAIN

Calamity is not evil. I've had this discussion with you at least twice already you hard headed idiot.

There is a significant difference between evil and calamity. Evil is wickedness for wickedness sake it's pain and suffering created for no other intention other than to destroy while bringing pleasure to the one who creates it.

Calamity is still evil fool! Misfortune and horror are all bad things dummy. Rape and genocides are all evil things but that's all a part of calamity too. Why create calamity if the Bible god, who is all knowing and seeing allegedly, knows what was gonna happen with that.

Don't get me started on what humans have done with "calamity", why create it in the first place. A god like yours that creates misfortune and all the horrible things that calamity bring has to be evil, and for your Bible god to admit that is beyond ridiculous.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/calamity

calamity

noun ca·lam·i·ty \kə-ˈla-mə-tē\

: an event that causes great harm and suffering

You are the fool my friend, you gave the dictionary definition of EVIL but we are talking about religion and the religious definition of evil is not quite the same thing as we use in common language. IN your ignorant mind and i call you ignorant respectfully, you seem to think that pain, death and dying are evil you think that because something is bad or painful then it's evil but strictly religiously speaking this is not so.

To you A beneficent God maximizes pleasure and minimizes suffering. But any good parent or for that matter any bodybuilder will tell you that sometimes you have to maximize suffering and minimize pleasure to attain a beneficent outcome.

let me say it again death,pain, suffering etc etc etc are not necessarily Evil.

I actually gave you the definition of calamity in that post......see how similar it is to evil? You even confused it for the word evil lol

And what parent would maximize suffering while raising a child? Only an abusive parent would do some shit like that. Bodybuilders need pain to get stronger, I know this as a weightlifter but I don't create misery for myself and others as I weightlift. You gave some terrible examples. If I want to punish my child, I won't amputate his arm off, for example.

negrow it's not similar there is a difference, a major one between the meanings of those two words you are ignoring this because it would discredit your false points

A parent that wants to strengthen his children sometimes has to make things hard for them so that they can grow you don't have children ( thank god) nor do you want any so i don't expect you to understand that. You are only about 157 pounds take more pain more misery of denial and you would get bigger and stronger.

If you have to amputate your childs arm to save his head would you do it????

 

[zzombie]

And by the way god never commands rape.

That's debatable but the Bible god clearly orders massive genocides for those who believe in other gods. The Bible god claims it created calamity, so it more or less admits to creating rape or the idea of it.

It's fascinating that Satan never once orders such massive destruction and wholesale murders. Also, it's very fascinating the Bible god admits to deceiving and thereby LYING when it has to. Read thread title to get the irony.

Yes genocide is ordered and for good reason , reasons that i have told you about many times before.

Satan never has to order a fucking thing or really do anything because just like a horrible parent he does not care about what his children do he does not seek to discipline them or teach them what they should know to keep themselves from harm.

god did not create rape do you know how fucking stupid that sounds??? in the first place god creating a calamity does not mean he creates all pain and suffering.

 

[VIBE]

god is a manipulater, plain and simple

if he knows all, does all, and everything is already "set in stone" because it's his, again, HIS , will.. Then it is him who moves the pawns on the chess board..

I don't get how something positive is always "gods gift/will" but anything negative isn't, nah, you cannot pick and choose..

Gods characteristics are easy to read. Take the story of Moses and the Pharoah. God told Moses to ask Pharoah for the release of his people, but God kept interfering and "hardening his heart", essentially, controlling him to not give the release.

That's straight up bullshit.

That in itself speaks volumes about what kind of being God is.

 

[zzombie]

god is a manipulater, plain and simple

if he knows all, does all, and everything is already "set in stone" because it's his, again, HIS , will.. Then it is him who moves the pawns on the chess board..

I don't get how something positive is always "gods gift/will" but anything negative isn't, nah, you cannot pick and choose..

Gods characteristics are easy to read. Take the story of Moses and the Pharoah. God told Moses to ask Pharoah for the release of his people, but God kept interfering and "hardening his heart", essentially, controlling him to not give the release.

That's straight up bullshit.

That in itself speaks volumes about what kind of being God is.

Everything is not set in stone @vibe God hardened pharaohs heart to prove his glory to the rest of the world. And that's why hundreds of years after that was supposed to have happened we are still talking about it..

But you are right God is a manipulator but not of everything.

 

[soul rattler]

you gave the dictionary definition of EVIL but we are talking about religion and the religious definition of evil is not quite the same thing as we use in common language.

Christians stay doing this when it's convenient.

What lie was told in the garden of Eden?

He told eve that if she at the fruit she would not certainly die and that she I.e we would know the difference between good and evil. This first statememt was a total lie and the second a half truth.

1. Not only did she not immediately physically die, but, even as you have admitted , nobody ever really dies because of their souls and shit going to a different plane of existence.

2. Eating the fruit enabled them to see their nakedness and ultimately empower their descendants to know right from wrong. The mental instability of men is completely the doing of G-d.

3. Now that everyone has struck down your first example of the devil lying, what else you got?

you really are of your father satan.

1. In other threads i have said no one ever really dies BUT I WAS SPEAKING from god's perspective on mortal "death" but yes from our perspective people really do die. SO WHEN the devil told eve she would not die he clearly lied.

2. Adam and eve already knew right from wrong

3. you have struck down nothing and once again you show your ignorance.

1. How do you the snake wasn't talking about spiritual death? So you can presume toknow your god's perspective on death but be oblivious to the snake's perspective?

2. Adam and Eve knew to obey, the way a computer does. You tell it to do something, and it does so without question. G-d gave them a set of commands to follow, again, like a computer. But when they knowingly deviated from those commands, it was like fucking Terminator: Rise of the Machines... Or iRobot... Or something.

 

[soul rattler]

And by the way god never commands rape.

That's debatable but the Bible god clearly orders massive genocides for those who believe in other gods. The Bible god claims it created calamity, so it more or less admits to creating rape or the idea of it.

It's fascinating that Satan never once orders such massive destruction and wholesale murders. Also, it's very fascinating the Bible god admits to deceiving and thereby LYING when it has to. Read thread title to get the irony.

Yes genocide is ordered and for good reason , reasons that i have told you about many times before.

Satan never has to order a fucking thing or really do anything because just like a horrible parent he does not care about what his children do he does not seek to discipline them or teach them what they should know to keep themselves from harm.

god did not create rape do you know how fucking stupid that sounds??? in the first place god creating a calamity does not mean he creates all pain and suffering.

Let's say Satan WAS A father, which Satan isn't because the only immortal capable of creation in this imaginary set piece is G-d... Who should Satan take fathering advice from?

The one who put an unnecessary temptation in front of the first humans ever, knowing they would fall for it, and consequently punish all of humanity to sin and physical death?

The one who went through the trouble of creating Earth and allowing humans to populate it, only to wipe them all out by flooding the planet out of misplaced disappointment?

The one who plans on wiping out the planet again in a series of sadistic and horrible events, as if the last two things listed weren't punishment enough?

Yeah...if I had a choice between a dad who let me find my own way and a dad who beat the living shit outta me and had a convoluted plan to kill me years from now, I'd choose the former.

 

[kingblaze84]

And by the way god never commands rape.

That's debatable but the Bible god clearly orders massive genocides for those who believe in other gods. The Bible god claims it created calamity, so it more or less admits to creating rape or the idea of it.

It's fascinating that Satan never once orders such massive destruction and wholesale murders. Also, it's very fascinating the Bible god admits to deceiving and thereby LYING when it has to. Read thread title to get the irony.

Yes genocide is ordered and for good reason , reasons that i have told you about many times before.

Satan never has to order a fucking thing or really do anything because just like a horrible parent he does not care about what his children do he does not seek to discipline them or teach them what they should know to keep themselves from harm.

god did not create rape do you know how fucking stupid that sounds??? in the first place god creating a calamity does not mean he creates all pain and suffering.

Yes I know the pathetic reasons the Bible god supported genocide in so many cases, many times for the simple reason people in a land worshipped other gods. There are a few stories in the Bible that god supported slaughtering men, women and children because some people worshipped gods who demanded human sacrifices but why slaughter all of them? If the Bible god was real, it would have not been a lazy fuck and just shown itself and convince people to stop doing that.

Instead, like the lazy sadist it is, it ordered the wholesale slaughter of people who worshipped "incorrectly".

You admit Satan never ordered such horrible actions, which is good. So why isn't your Bible god considered the murderer and liar? It clearly is, anyone with a conscience and eyes can see that. Do you see why Americans are losing respect for your Bible and don't take it seriously anymore?

 

[kingblaze84]

god is a manipulater, plain and simple

if he knows all, does all, and everything is already "set in stone" because it's his, again, HIS , will.. Then it is him who moves the pawns on the chess board..

I don't get how something positive is always "gods gift/will" but anything negative isn't, nah, you cannot pick and choose..

Gods characteristics are easy to read. Take the story of Moses and the Pharoah. God told Moses to ask Pharoah for the release of his people, but God kept interfering and "hardening his heart", essentially, controlling him to not give the release.

That's straight up bullshit.

That in itself speaks volumes about what kind of being God is.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Everything is set in stone allegedly because god knows what is going to happen before it happens, and at the same time does nothing about it while claiming it would protect its people. But tragedies happen anyway.

It's why I've said for a long time now that if the Bible god is real, it's an extremely evil being and lazy beyond belief. Not worthy of being called a god, but a demonic beast, in all forms. I would say this to its face if it was real, but luckily for us all, the Bible/Abrahamic god is make believe. Why harden the heart of an enemy lol, was the Bible god playing both sides of the fence all along? Then it truly is a deceiver.

 

[zzombie]

And by the way god never commands rape.

That's debatable but the Bible god clearly orders massive genocides for those who believe in other gods. The Bible god claims it created calamity, so it more or less admits to creating rape or the idea of it.

It's fascinating that Satan never once orders such massive destruction and wholesale murders. Also, it's very fascinating the Bible god admits to deceiving and thereby LYING when it has to. Read thread title to get the irony.

Yes genocide is ordered and for good reason , reasons that i have told you about many times before.

Satan never has to order a fucking thing or really do anything because just like a horrible parent he does not care about what his children do he does not seek to discipline them or teach them what they should know to keep themselves from harm.

god did not create rape do you know how fucking stupid that sounds??? in the first place god creating a calamity does not mean he creates all pain and suffering.

Yes I know the pathetic reasons the Bible god supported genocide in so many cases, many times for the simple reason people in a land worshipped other gods. There are a few stories in the Bible that god supported slaughtering men, women and children because some people worshipped gods who demanded human sacrifices but why slaughter all of them? If the Bible god was real, it would have not been a lazy fuck and just shown itself and convince people to stop doing that.

Instead, like the lazy sadist it is, it ordered the wholesale slaughter of people who worshipped "incorrectly".

You admit Satan never ordered such horrible actions, which is good. So why isn't your Bible god considered the murderer and liar? It clearly is, anyone with a conscience and eyes can see that. Do you see why Americans are losing respect for your Bible and don't take it seriously anymore?

I am on a phone so I won't go tear into all the bullshit you wrote in this post so I'll just answer say this God actually did warn the people of Canaan before he used the Israelites to destroy them.

God is a killer not a murderer. As for Americans losing respect for Christianity that's just your delusions tomorrow there will by millions of Americans in church and most will have some level of faith

 

[VIBE]

god is a manipulater, plain and simple

if he knows all, does all, and everything is already "set in stone" because it's his, again, HIS , will.. Then it is him who moves the pawns on the chess board..

I don't get how something positive is always "gods gift/will" but anything negative isn't, nah, you cannot pick and choose..

Gods characteristics are easy to read. Take the story of Moses and the Pharoah. God told Moses to ask Pharoah for the release of his people, but God kept interfering and "hardening his heart", essentially, controlling him to not give the release.

That's straight up bullshit.

That in itself speaks volumes about what kind of being God is.

Everything is not set in stone @vibe God hardened pharaohs heart to prove his glory to the rest of the world. And that's why hundreds of years after that was supposed to have happened we are still talking about it..

But you are right God is a manipulator but not of everything.

Couldn't he show his glory afterwards? Moses and his people wandered the desert for 40 years, couldn't he have brought them rain (fresh water to drink and grow crops)? That's true glory over manipulating a situation that was clearly going God's way (asking for cooperation in the release of his people).

I hate the cop out everyone gives to God.

If God does it, it's his glory.

If Satan does it, it's evil.

If Satan had hardened the pharoahs heart, it would be used to show you how manipulative and easy it is for him to do such a thing to a believer.

If God does it, it's amazing. They never give thought to as if God did it once to the Pharoah, what makes you think he wouldn't do it to others, including yourself?

You're against certain things being pushed on people, such as gay marriage, but okay with God pushing someone to do what they do not want to do?

 

[VIBE]

god is a manipulater, plain and simple

if he knows all, does all, and everything is already "set in stone" because it's his, again, HIS , will.. Then it is him who moves the pawns on the chess board..

I don't get how something positive is always "gods gift/will" but anything negative isn't, nah, you cannot pick and choose..

Gods characteristics are easy to read. Take the story of Moses and the Pharoah. God told Moses to ask Pharoah for the release of his people, but God kept interfering and "hardening his heart", essentially, controlling him to not give the release.

That's straight up bullshit.

That in itself speaks volumes about what kind of being God is.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Everything is set in stone allegedly because god knows what is going to happen before it happens, and at the same time does nothing about it while claiming it would protect its people. But tragedies happen anyway.

It's why I've said for a long time now that if the Bible god is real, it's an extremely evil being and lazy beyond belief. Not worthy of being called a god, but a demonic beast, in all forms. I would say this to its face if it was real, but luckily for us all, the Bible/Abrahamic god is make believe. Why harden the heart of an enemy lol, was the Bible god playing both sides of the fence all along? Then it truly is a deceiver.

Another decieving moment was when Moses was on the mountain praying/talking to God and he had left Aaron in charge of watching over the people.

In that time, Aaron had asked for everyone's gold and they smelted their gold to form a golden calf.

Moses comes back and Aaron lies and says he tried to stop them. Moses goes back to discuss this with God and God commands him and Aaron to slaughter 3,000 of them for doing this.

How in the fuck is Aaron's wrongdoing, creating the false idol and lying, not even acknowledge by the all knowing being?

Shit like that is bothersome. But I'll leave it to these guys to scramble up some random explanation.

 

[VIBE]

And by the way god never commands rape.

That's debatable but the Bible god clearly orders massive genocides for those who believe in other gods. The Bible god claims it created calamity, so it more or less admits to creating rape or the idea of it.

It's fascinating that Satan never once orders such massive destruction and wholesale murders. Also, it's very fascinating the Bible god admits to deceiving and thereby LYING when it has to. Read thread title to get the irony.

Yes genocide is ordered and for good reason , reasons that i have told you about many times before.

Satan never has to order a fucking thing or really do anything because just like a horrible parent he does not care about what his children do he does not seek to discipline them or teach them what they should know to keep themselves from harm.

god did not create rape do you know how fucking stupid that sounds??? in the first place god creating a calamity does not mean he creates all pain and suffering.

Yes I know the pathetic reasons the Bible god supported genocide in so many cases, many times for the simple reason people in a land worshipped other gods. There are a few stories in the Bible that god supported slaughtering men, women and children because some people worshipped gods who demanded human sacrifices but why slaughter all of them? If the Bible god was real, it would have not been a lazy fuck and just shown itself and convince people to stop doing that.

Instead, like the lazy sadist it is, it ordered the wholesale slaughter of people who worshipped "incorrectly".

You admit Satan never ordered such horrible actions, which is good. So why isn't your Bible god considered the murderer and liar? It clearly is, anyone with a conscience and eyes can see that. Do you see why Americans are losing respect for your Bible and don't take it seriously anymore?

I am on a phone so I won't go tear into all the bullshit you wrote in this post so I'll just answer say this God actually did warn the people of Canaan before he used the Israelites to destroy them.

God is a killer not a murderer. As for Americans losing respect for Christianity that's just your delusions tomorrow there will by millions of Americans in church and most will have some level of faith

Imagine stripping away titles from the characters in the bible, mainly God, Jesus and Satan.

Imagine feeding people their characteristics.

Then having a choice to choose between good, neutral and evil.

Where do you think each character would fall under?

God would be labeled as evil.

Satan as neutral.

Jesus as good.

The delusion is on the believer.