Why do people call the devil a "thief, liar, and murderer"?

[kingblaze84]

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

False, false and false.

How can God steal something that already belongs to him? Land, souls, whatever...it's a false idea.

It's mentioned in the Bible that God cannot lie. Meaning it's impossible for God to lie.

God creating evil doesn't mean he is the doer of the evil. He even gave an illustration, the way a light shines on an object and casts a shadow...in a similar understanding, that is how God created evil because he shines a light that makes a distinction between the two forces.

So genocide is okay in the case someone worships differently and culturally? Cool. The Bible god can drown innocent children and blatantly order the killing of women, infants, and others, and magically not be a doer of evil? Fascinating. If another religious group said their god sanctions the killing of anyone who isn't a certain religion, is it suddenly bad?

And the Bible god clearly admits to deceiving and lying when it has to, read the story of Kings. You can also read this:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

Some things in the Bible might seem wrong and maybe hard to grasp especially if viewing trough the scope of modern secular understanding...to get understanding it requires diligent reading and studying....that is how the book is designed. You can get the understanding but you have to dig and really want it. You mention killings that took place in the Old Testament that God authorized. Let me ask you can you look into and judge the hearts and souls of men and women. Are you able to see and therefore know the hidden things that people have on their hearts and minds and every secret thing done in their lives? Don't be so quick to come to a suspect conclusion about God's judgement in deciding to cleanse certain people from the land because logically you don't know these people and whether they were good or not. You either choose to trust God on it or you don't.

That verse in Thes. says God sends a strong delusion. Are you trying to say that sending a delusion is the same thing as God lying?

Well I studied the Bible diligently in elementary school, I had grades of As or A+ in religion class. In high school the same when I went to private school for two years. In college, I took a course on Abrahamic religions and was traumatized by what I read lol. Believe me, I've studied the Abrahamic god VERY WELL. I was Christian for 16 years, devout and everything. I know what it's like to be a devout Christian, but I was disturbed by the passages after awhile.

As far as the Bible god sending a delusion, that's sending a deception. And sending a deception is a form of lie. That was only one passage of several.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deception

deception

noun de·cep·tion \di-ˈsep-shən\

: the act of making someone believe something that is not true : the act of deceiving someone

: an act or statement intended to make people believe something that is not true

Let's use some common sense. When a person rejects the truth, but still wants to have their choice what is their only other option? A lie, right? You must've have missed this point in all your years of studying, when you read the passage in context it's clear that what is happening here is that after God made the truth known and it is still rejected, he sends people what they want so they will believe that which is false. Isn't God fair?

WRONG. If the Bible god REALLY wants people to follow its message and worship it, it would stop the laziness and just show itself. Sending delusions and lies to INCREASE the faith others have in different gods means the Bible god has very weak negotiating and convincing skills. HARDLY the qualities of the kind of god I would worship. I'd rather worship nothing then worship such a lazy fuck.

If the Bible god really "made the truth known", then people wouldn't be worshipping thousands of different gods historically. Jews reject Jesus as savior to this day lol, as they did when he was ACTUALLY ALIVE.

Seems the Bible god's convincing game needs a little work.

 

[Fosheezy]

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

False, false and false.

How can God steal something that already belongs to him? Land, souls, whatever...it's a false idea.

It's mentioned in the Bible that God cannot lie. Meaning it's impossible for God to lie.

God creating evil doesn't mean he is the doer of the evil. He even gave an illustration, the way a light shines on an object and casts a shadow...in a similar understanding, that is how God created evil because he shines a light that makes a distinction between the two forces.

So genocide is okay in the case someone worships differently and culturally? Cool. The Bible god can drown innocent children and blatantly order the killing of women, infants, and others, and magically not be a doer of evil? Fascinating. If another religious group said their god sanctions the killing of anyone who isn't a certain religion, is it suddenly bad?

And the Bible god clearly admits to deceiving and lying when it has to, read the story of Kings. You can also read this:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

Some things in the Bible might seem wrong and maybe hard to grasp especially if viewing trough the scope of modern secular understanding...to get understanding it requires diligent reading and studying....that is how the book is designed. You can get the understanding but you have to dig and really want it. You mention killings that took place in the Old Testament that God authorized. Let me ask you can you look into and judge the hearts and souls of men and women. Are you able to see and therefore know the hidden things that people have on their hearts and minds and every secret thing done in their lives? Don't be so quick to come to a suspect conclusion about God's judgement in deciding to cleanse certain people from the land because logically you don't know these people and whether they were good or not. You either choose to trust God on it or you don't.

That verse in Thes. says God sends a strong delusion. Are you trying to say that sending a delusion is the same thing as God lying?

Well I studied the Bible diligently in elementary school, I had grades of As or A+ in religion class. In high school the same when I went to private school for two years. In college, I took a course on Abrahamic religions and was traumatized by what I read lol. Believe me, I've studied the Abrahamic god VERY WELL. I was Christian for 16 years, devout and everything. I know what it's like to be a devout Christian, but I was disturbed by the passages after awhile.

As far as the Bible god sending a delusion, that's sending a deception. And sending a deception is a form of lie. That was only one passage of several.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deception

deception

noun de·cep·tion \di-ˈsep-shən\

: the act of making someone believe something that is not true : the act of deceiving someone

: an act or statement intended to make people believe something that is not true

Let's use some common sense. When a person rejects the truth, but still wants to have their choice what is their only other option? A lie, right? You must've have missed this point in all your years of studying, when you read the passage in context it's clear that what is happening here is that after God made the truth known and it is still rejected, he sends people what they want so they will believe that which is false. Isn't God fair?

WRONG. If the Bible god REALLY wants people to follow its message and worship it, it would stop the laziness and just show itself. Sending delusions and lies to INCREASE the faith others have in different gods means the Bible god has very weak negotiating and convincing skills. HARDLY the qualities of the kind of god I would worship. I'd rather worship nothing then worship such a lazy fuck.

If the Bible god really "made the truth known", then people wouldn't be worshipping thousands of different gods historically. Jews reject Jesus as savior to this day lol, as they did when he was ACTUALLY ALIVE.

Seems the Bible god's convincing game needs a little work.

Are you saying is because God doesn't do it the way you want to do it then God must be wrong. Seems like you might have taken up the curse of the grand delusion yourself. Especially considering you claim you used to be Christian. Lol. That's one of the double edge sword effects of the Book. once you accept any part of the book and seek the benefits you also take upon the curses its speaks of when you turn to disbelief. Whether you believe it or not.

 

[zzombie]

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

False, false and false.

How can God steal something that already belongs to him? Land, souls, whatever...it's a false idea.

It's mentioned in the Bible that God cannot lie. Meaning it's impossible for God to lie.

God creating evil doesn't mean he is the doer of the evil. He even gave an illustration, the way a light shines on an object and casts a shadow...in a similar understanding, that is how God created evil because he shines a light that makes a distinction between the two forces.

So genocide is okay in the case someone worships differently and culturally? Cool. The Bible god can drown innocent children and blatantly order the killing of women, infants, and others, and magically not be a doer of evil? Fascinating. If another religious group said their god sanctions the killing of anyone who isn't a certain religion, is it suddenly bad?

And the Bible god clearly admits to deceiving and lying when it has to, read the story of Kings. You can also read this:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

Some things in the Bible might seem wrong and maybe hard to grasp especially if viewing trough the scope of modern secular understanding...to get understanding it requires diligent reading and studying....that is how the book is designed. You can get the understanding but you have to dig and really want it. You mention killings that took place in the Old Testament that God authorized. Let me ask you can you look into and judge the hearts and souls of men and women. Are you able to see and therefore know the hidden things that people have on their hearts and minds and every secret thing done in their lives? Don't be so quick to come to a suspect conclusion about God's judgement in deciding to cleanse certain people from the land because logically you don't know these people and whether they were good or not. You either choose to trust God on it or you don't.

That verse in Thes. says God sends a strong delusion. Are you trying to say that sending a delusion is the same thing as God lying?

Well I studied the Bible diligently in elementary school, I had grades of As or A+ in religion class. In high school the same when I went to private school for two years. In college, I took a course on Abrahamic religions and was traumatized by what I read lol. Believe me, I've studied the Abrahamic god VERY WELL. I was Christian for 16 years, devout and everything. I know what it's like to be a devout Christian, but I was disturbed by the passages after awhile.

As far as the Bible god sending a delusion, that's sending a deception. And sending a deception is a form of lie. That was only one passage of several.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deception

deception

noun de·cep·tion \di-ˈsep-shən\

: the act of making someone believe something that is not true : the act of deceiving someone

: an act or statement intended to make people believe something that is not true

Let's use some common sense. When a person rejects the truth, but still wants to have their choice what is their only other option? A lie, right? You must've have missed this point in all your years of studying, when you read the passage in context it's clear that what is happening here is that after God made the truth known and it is still rejected, he sends people what they want so they will believe that which is false. Isn't God fair?

WRONG. If the Bible god REALLY wants people to follow its message and worship it, it would stop the laziness and just show itself. Sending delusions and lies to INCREASE the faith others have in different gods means the Bible god has very weak negotiating and convincing skills. HARDLY the qualities of the kind of god I would worship. I'd rather worship nothing then worship such a lazy fuck.

If the Bible god really "made the truth known", then people wouldn't be worshipping thousands of different gods historically. Jews reject Jesus as savior to this day lol, as they did when he was ACTUALLY ALIVE.

Seems the Bible god's convincing game needs a little work.

So in other words god should do what you want him to???? and for the passage you quoted god at that point no longer wants to increase the faith of those people. The jews rejected christ for the same reasons you reject god, he did not come in the form they wanted him to he did not do what they expected him to do.

what you are calling laziness is god giving us a chance to be saved from the fate we are bringing on ourselves.

 

[kingblaze84]

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

False, false and false.

How can God steal something that already belongs to him? Land, souls, whatever...it's a false idea.

It's mentioned in the Bible that God cannot lie. Meaning it's impossible for God to lie.

God creating evil doesn't mean he is the doer of the evil. He even gave an illustration, the way a light shines on an object and casts a shadow...in a similar understanding, that is how God created evil because he shines a light that makes a distinction between the two forces.

So genocide is okay in the case someone worships differently and culturally? Cool. The Bible god can drown innocent children and blatantly order the killing of women, infants, and others, and magically not be a doer of evil? Fascinating. If another religious group said their god sanctions the killing of anyone who isn't a certain religion, is it suddenly bad?

And the Bible god clearly admits to deceiving and lying when it has to, read the story of Kings. You can also read this:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

Some things in the Bible might seem wrong and maybe hard to grasp especially if viewing trough the scope of modern secular understanding...to get understanding it requires diligent reading and studying....that is how the book is designed. You can get the understanding but you have to dig and really want it. You mention killings that took place in the Old Testament that God authorized. Let me ask you can you look into and judge the hearts and souls of men and women. Are you able to see and therefore know the hidden things that people have on their hearts and minds and every secret thing done in their lives? Don't be so quick to come to a suspect conclusion about God's judgement in deciding to cleanse certain people from the land because logically you don't know these people and whether they were good or not. You either choose to trust God on it or you don't.

That verse in Thes. says God sends a strong delusion. Are you trying to say that sending a delusion is the same thing as God lying?

Well I studied the Bible diligently in elementary school, I had grades of As or A+ in religion class. In high school the same when I went to private school for two years. In college, I took a course on Abrahamic religions and was traumatized by what I read lol. Believe me, I've studied the Abrahamic god VERY WELL. I was Christian for 16 years, devout and everything. I know what it's like to be a devout Christian, but I was disturbed by the passages after awhile.

As far as the Bible god sending a delusion, that's sending a deception. And sending a deception is a form of lie. That was only one passage of several.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deception

deception

noun de·cep·tion \di-ˈsep-shən\

: the act of making someone believe something that is not true : the act of deceiving someone

: an act or statement intended to make people believe something that is not true

Let's use some common sense. When a person rejects the truth, but still wants to have their choice what is their only other option? A lie, right? You must've have missed this point in all your years of studying, when you read the passage in context it's clear that what is happening here is that after God made the truth known and it is still rejected, he sends people what they want so they will believe that which is false. Isn't God fair?

WRONG. If the Bible god REALLY wants people to follow its message and worship it, it would stop the laziness and just show itself. Sending delusions and lies to INCREASE the faith others have in different gods means the Bible god has very weak negotiating and convincing skills. HARDLY the qualities of the kind of god I would worship. I'd rather worship nothing then worship such a lazy fuck.

If the Bible god really "made the truth known", then people wouldn't be worshipping thousands of different gods historically. Jews reject Jesus as savior to this day lol, as they did when he was ACTUALLY ALIVE.

Seems the Bible god's convincing game needs a little work.

Are you saying is because God doesn't do it the way you want to do it then God must be wrong. Seems like you might have taken up the curse of the grand delusion yourself. Especially considering you claim you used to be Christian. Lol. That's one of the double edge sword effects of the Book. once you accept any part of the book and seek the benefits you also take upon the curses its speaks of when you turn to disbelief. Whether you believe it or not.

Well the Bible god may be treating me well then, my life has been much more fun and enjoyable since I've stopped being Christian. I'm happier thinking for myself and living in a way that makes more sense to me. Enjoy your beliefs though, I'm certainly enjoying mine.

 

[kingblaze84]

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

False, false and false.

How can God steal something that already belongs to him? Land, souls, whatever...it's a false idea.

It's mentioned in the Bible that God cannot lie. Meaning it's impossible for God to lie.

God creating evil doesn't mean he is the doer of the evil. He even gave an illustration, the way a light shines on an object and casts a shadow...in a similar understanding, that is how God created evil because he shines a light that makes a distinction between the two forces.

So genocide is okay in the case someone worships differently and culturally? Cool. The Bible god can drown innocent children and blatantly order the killing of women, infants, and others, and magically not be a doer of evil? Fascinating. If another religious group said their god sanctions the killing of anyone who isn't a certain religion, is it suddenly bad?

And the Bible god clearly admits to deceiving and lying when it has to, read the story of Kings. You can also read this:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

Some things in the Bible might seem wrong and maybe hard to grasp especially if viewing trough the scope of modern secular understanding...to get understanding it requires diligent reading and studying....that is how the book is designed. You can get the understanding but you have to dig and really want it. You mention killings that took place in the Old Testament that God authorized. Let me ask you can you look into and judge the hearts and souls of men and women. Are you able to see and therefore know the hidden things that people have on their hearts and minds and every secret thing done in their lives? Don't be so quick to come to a suspect conclusion about God's judgement in deciding to cleanse certain people from the land because logically you don't know these people and whether they were good or not. You either choose to trust God on it or you don't.

That verse in Thes. says God sends a strong delusion. Are you trying to say that sending a delusion is the same thing as God lying?

Well I studied the Bible diligently in elementary school, I had grades of As or A+ in religion class. In high school the same when I went to private school for two years. In college, I took a course on Abrahamic religions and was traumatized by what I read lol. Believe me, I've studied the Abrahamic god VERY WELL. I was Christian for 16 years, devout and everything. I know what it's like to be a devout Christian, but I was disturbed by the passages after awhile.

As far as the Bible god sending a delusion, that's sending a deception. And sending a deception is a form of lie. That was only one passage of several.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deception

deception

noun de·cep·tion \di-ˈsep-shən\

: the act of making someone believe something that is not true : the act of deceiving someone

: an act or statement intended to make people believe something that is not true

Let's use some common sense. When a person rejects the truth, but still wants to have their choice what is their only other option? A lie, right? You must've have missed this point in all your years of studying, when you read the passage in context it's clear that what is happening here is that after God made the truth known and it is still rejected, he sends people what they want so they will believe that which is false. Isn't God fair?

WRONG. If the Bible god REALLY wants people to follow its message and worship it, it would stop the laziness and just show itself. Sending delusions and lies to INCREASE the faith others have in different gods means the Bible god has very weak negotiating and convincing skills. HARDLY the qualities of the kind of god I would worship. I'd rather worship nothing then worship such a lazy fuck.

If the Bible god really "made the truth known", then people wouldn't be worshipping thousands of different gods historically. Jews reject Jesus as savior to this day lol, as they did when he was ACTUALLY ALIVE.

Seems the Bible god's convincing game needs a little work.

So in other words god should do what you want him to???? and for the passage you quoted god at that point no longer wants to increase the faith of those people. The jews rejected christ for the same reasons you reject god, he did not come in the form they wanted him to he did not do what they expected him to do.

what you are calling laziness is god giving us a chance to be saved from the fate we are bringing on ourselves.

The Bible god can do what it wants, but it shouldn't complain when a huge amount of people worldwide are disgusted by its actions and support of other horrible actions and as a result, turn its back on it.

And if it thinks killing innocent people because its food sucks or they don't have faith in it anymore is okay, then by definition, there is nothing wrong with what terror groups of other religions do. When terror groups kidnap or massacre hundreds of people because people can't recite a certain prayer or they don't worship the right way, I don't want to hear Christians complain about it. If it's good enough for their god, Christians shouldn't whine when other religious folk kill and behead others around the world for being blasphemous to their god or their belief system.

 

[soul rattler]

A verifiable person, using logic and reason, says things should be done one way and you say they're delusional.

A group of people thousands of years ago claims to have done things on behalf of an unverifiable entity, for no other reason that "G-d said so", and you believe them without question.

Rifuckingdiculous

 

[zzombie]

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

Because he's a thief, a liar, and a murderer.

And what does that make the Bible god? The Bible god, according to Bible experts, is estimated to have killed about 20 million people in the book. That includes innocent children.

The Bible god commands others to steal land for him, and admits to lying and deceiving people to accomplish goals. I suppose the Bible god is king of murderers, thieves, and liars, comparing the two. Note Satan doesn't admit to creating evil and calamity, while the Bible god does.

^^My expression when I first read that in Catholic School

False, false and false.

How can God steal something that already belongs to him? Land, souls, whatever...it's a false idea.

It's mentioned in the Bible that God cannot lie. Meaning it's impossible for God to lie.

God creating evil doesn't mean he is the doer of the evil. He even gave an illustration, the way a light shines on an object and casts a shadow...in a similar understanding, that is how God created evil because he shines a light that makes a distinction between the two forces.

So genocide is okay in the case someone worships differently and culturally? Cool. The Bible god can drown innocent children and blatantly order the killing of women, infants, and others, and magically not be a doer of evil? Fascinating. If another religious group said their god sanctions the killing of anyone who isn't a certain religion, is it suddenly bad?

And the Bible god clearly admits to deceiving and lying when it has to, read the story of Kings. You can also read this:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

Some things in the Bible might seem wrong and maybe hard to grasp especially if viewing trough the scope of modern secular understanding...to get understanding it requires diligent reading and studying....that is how the book is designed. You can get the understanding but you have to dig and really want it. You mention killings that took place in the Old Testament that God authorized. Let me ask you can you look into and judge the hearts and souls of men and women. Are you able to see and therefore know the hidden things that people have on their hearts and minds and every secret thing done in their lives? Don't be so quick to come to a suspect conclusion about God's judgement in deciding to cleanse certain people from the land because logically you don't know these people and whether they were good or not. You either choose to trust God on it or you don't.

That verse in Thes. says God sends a strong delusion. Are you trying to say that sending a delusion is the same thing as God lying?

Well I studied the Bible diligently in elementary school, I had grades of As or A+ in religion class. In high school the same when I went to private school for two years. In college, I took a course on Abrahamic religions and was traumatized by what I read lol. Believe me, I've studied the Abrahamic god VERY WELL. I was Christian for 16 years, devout and everything. I know what it's like to be a devout Christian, but I was disturbed by the passages after awhile.

As far as the Bible god sending a delusion, that's sending a deception. And sending a deception is a form of lie. That was only one passage of several.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deception

deception

noun de·cep·tion \di-ˈsep-shən\

: the act of making someone believe something that is not true : the act of deceiving someone

: an act or statement intended to make people believe something that is not true

Let's use some common sense. When a person rejects the truth, but still wants to have their choice what is their only other option? A lie, right? You must've have missed this point in all your years of studying, when you read the passage in context it's clear that what is happening here is that after God made the truth known and it is still rejected, he sends people what they want so they will believe that which is false. Isn't God fair?

WRONG. If the Bible god REALLY wants people to follow its message and worship it, it would stop the laziness and just show itself. Sending delusions and lies to INCREASE the faith others have in different gods means the Bible god has very weak negotiating and convincing skills. HARDLY the qualities of the kind of god I would worship. I'd rather worship nothing then worship such a lazy fuck.

If the Bible god really "made the truth known", then people wouldn't be worshipping thousands of different gods historically. Jews reject Jesus as savior to this day lol, as they did when he was ACTUALLY ALIVE.

Seems the Bible god's convincing game needs a little work.

So in other words god should do what you want him to???? and for the passage you quoted god at that point no longer wants to increase the faith of those people. The jews rejected christ for the same reasons you reject god, he did not come in the form they wanted him to he did not do what they expected him to do.

what you are calling laziness is god giving us a chance to be saved from the fate we are bringing on ourselves.

The Bible god can do what it wants, but it shouldn't complain when a huge amount of people worldwide are disgusted by its actions and support of other horrible actions and as a result, turn its back on it.



And if it thinks killing innocent people because its food sucks or they don't have faith in it anymore is okay, then by definition, there is nothing wrong with what terror groups of other religions do. When terror groups massacre hundreds of people because people can't recite a certain prayer or they don't worship the right way, I don't want to hear Christians complain about it. If it's good enough for their god, Christians shouldn't whine when other religious folk kill and behead others around the world for being blasphemous to their god or their belief system.

what are you talking about??? when moses went up to the mountain the motivation for the israelites turning on god had nothing to do with his actions. Trust me God does not need you he punished the israelites when they went astray because they made a contract with him.

and GOD did not kill the israelites because they complained about the manna he gave them

 

[kingblaze84]

Plenty of Israelites lost faith in the Bible god back in the day and there are many people worldwide who are disgusted with the kind of being the Bible god claims to be. Have you ever seen the museums of people dumping the Bible and its relics in piss and worse? Even I wouldn't do shit like that, so it shows the kind of disgust many people have out there.

And the Bible god did kill many Israelites because the bread tasted bad and Israelites complained about it, don't make me bring up the passages. Read up and see for yourself.

 

[zzombie]

Plenty of Israelites lost faith in the Bible god back in the day and there are many people worldwide who are disgusted with the kind of being the Bible god claims to be. Have you ever seen the museums of people dumping the Bible and its relics in piss and worse? Even I wouldn't do shit like that, so it shows the kind of disgust many people have out there.

And the Bible god did kill many Israelites because the bread tasted bad and Israelites complained about it, don't make me bring up the passages. Read up and see for yourself.

nigga why would i be denying the fact that people lose faith??? is your brain working are you paying attention to the discussion we are having??? and go ahead and post those passages. and as for the museums there have always been people who hate god

 

[kingblaze84]

Plenty of Israelites lost faith in the Bible god back in the day and there are many people worldwide who are disgusted with the kind of being the Bible god claims to be. Have you ever seen the museums of people dumping the Bible and its relics in piss and worse? Even I wouldn't do shit like that, so it shows the kind of disgust many people have out there.

And the Bible god did kill many Israelites because the bread tasted bad and Israelites complained about it, don't make me bring up the passages. Read up and see for yourself.

nigga why would i be denying the fact that people lose faith??? is your brain working are you paying attention to the discussion we are having??? and go ahead and post those passages. and as for the museums there have always been people who hate god

Um are you losing track of what the discussion is? I said plenty of people lost faith in the Bible god and were/are disgusted by its actions or passages and you asked what I was talking about.

And as far as those passages, I'll post them up soon enough, once work isn't as busy.

 

[zzombie]

Plenty of Israelites lost faith in the Bible god back in the day and there are many people worldwide who are disgusted with the kind of being the Bible god claims to be. Have you ever seen the museums of people dumping the Bible and its relics in piss and worse? Even I wouldn't do shit like that, so it shows the kind of disgust many people have out there.

And the Bible god did kill many Israelites because the bread tasted bad and Israelites complained about it, don't make me bring up the passages. Read up and see for yourself.

nigga why would i be denying the fact that people lose faith??? is your brain working are you paying attention to the discussion we are having??? and go ahead and post those passages. and as for the museums there have always been people who hate god

Um are you losing track of what the discussion is? I said plenty of people lost faith in the Bible god and were/are disgusted by its actions or passages and you asked what I was talking about.

And as far as those passages, I'll post them up soon enough, once work isn't as busy.

You are all over the place in the discussion. You post something talking about the end times then you start talking about exodus.

In the first case God is giving people who have no connection to him what they want.

the second case is about God punishing people he made a deal with him. Then you jump to people losing faith like that is supposed to mean anything??? Like no shit people lose faith. Large sections of the bible are about the consequence of losing faith.

For the ancient Israelites it was death because that was part of the covenant they made.

For the people in the end times it will simply be God giving them what they want.

 

[blackamerica]

His followers claim he doesn't even exist. That's a lie in itself

 

[kingblaze84]

Plenty of Israelites lost faith in the Bible god back in the day and there are many people worldwide who are disgusted with the kind of being the Bible god claims to be. Have you ever seen the museums of people dumping the Bible and its relics in piss and worse? Even I wouldn't do shit like that, so it shows the kind of disgust many people have out there.

And the Bible god did kill many Israelites because the bread tasted bad and Israelites complained about it, don't make me bring up the passages. Read up and see for yourself.

nigga why would i be denying the fact that people lose faith??? is your brain working are you paying attention to the discussion we are having??? and go ahead and post those passages. and as for the museums there have always been people who hate god

Um are you losing track of what the discussion is? I said plenty of people lost faith in the Bible god and were/are disgusted by its actions or passages and you asked what I was talking about.

And as far as those passages, I'll post them up soon enough, once work isn't as busy.

You are all over the place in the discussion. You post something talking about the end times then you start talking about exodus.

In the first case God is giving people who have no connection to him what they want.

the second case is about God punishing people he made a deal with him. Then you jump to people losing faith like that is supposed to mean anything??? Like no shit people lose faith. Large sections of the bible are about the consequence of losing faith.

For the ancient Israelites it was death because that was part of the covenant they made.

For the people in the end times it will simply be God giving them what they want.

The Bible god always seems to be drunk with blood and deceiving people, then telling its followers to increase the bloodshed. In fact there is a book about the Bible god that you should read sometime. It proves without a doubt the Bible god is a barbaric savage and notes how much it influenced the Christian savages who wiped out 100 million Native Americans for being different and many other people worldwide. No coincidence Christians and other Abrahamic religious followers have historically been among the most bloodthirsty and savage, genocidal maniacs humanity has ever produced.

And as far as those passages that show how petty and pathetic the Bible god is regarding bread:

Numbers 21:5

And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.



Numbers 21:6

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

 

[kingblaze84]

I'm going to order the book tonight.....the reviews I've been reading on the book on Amazon state it makes terror groups worldwide look timid in comparison to the Abrahamic god. The book also notes Satan in the Bible kills 10 people, while the Bible god kills millions.

Satan enslaves few or none, while the Abrahamic god commands the kidnapping and enslavement of thousands, and encourages the slaughter of whole towns if a prophet from another town says bad things about the Bible god. And other dumb reasons, like a town rejecting the Bible god's prophets and going with another god. Yes, the Bible god has acted like ISIS, but actually worse.

Now note how much Christians complain about other terror groups going into Christian villages and doing the same. The hypocrisy is hilarious and gets easier to make fun of by the day.

 

[kingblaze84]

A fun little verse that shows the nutty nature of the Bible god, worst then anything Satan ever said lol

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

 

[zzombie]

Plenty of Israelites lost faith in the Bible god back in the day and there are many people worldwide who are disgusted with the kind of being the Bible god claims to be. Have you ever seen the museums of people dumping the Bible and its relics in piss and worse? Even I wouldn't do shit like that, so it shows the kind of disgust many people have out there.

And the Bible god did kill many Israelites because the bread tasted bad and Israelites complained about it, don't make me bring up the passages. Read up and see for yourself.

nigga why would i be denying the fact that people lose faith??? is your brain working are you paying attention to the discussion we are having??? and go ahead and post those passages. and as for the museums there have always been people who hate god

Um are you losing track of what the discussion is? I said plenty of people lost faith in the Bible god and were/are disgusted by its actions or passages and you asked what I was talking about.

And as far as those passages, I'll post them up soon enough, once work isn't as busy.

You are all over the place in the discussion. You post something talking about the end times then you start talking about exodus.

In the first case God is giving people who have no connection to him what they want.

the second case is about God punishing people he made a deal with him. Then you jump to people losing faith like that is supposed to mean anything??? Like no shit people lose faith. Large sections of the bible are about the consequence of losing faith.

For the ancient Israelites it was death because that was part of the covenant they made.

For the people in the end times it will simply be God giving them what they want.

The Bible god always seems to be drunk with blood and deceiving people, then telling its followers to increase the bloodshed. In fact there is a book about the Bible god that you should read sometime. It proves without a doubt the Bible god is a barbaric savage and notes how much it influenced the Christian savages who wiped out 100 million Native Americans for being different and many other people worldwide. No coincidence Christians and other Abrahamic religious followers have historically been among the most bloodthirsty and savage, genocidal maniacs humanity has ever produced.

And as far as those passages that show how petty and pathetic the Bible god is regarding bread:

Numbers 21:5

And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.



Numbers 21:6

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

ayo you really have to start paying attention did i not already tell you that god made a deal with israel that if they followed him they would live and that there descendants would be countless and that he would make them a great nation of people but that if they turned against him they would be destroyed. This is called the abrahamic covenant the contract between God and israel that has been renewed every generation.

Now read the numbers 21 again:

21 When the Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that Israel was coming along the road to Atharim, he attacked the Israelites and captured some of them. 2 Then Israel made this vow to the Lord: “If you will deliver these people into our hands, we will totally destroy[a] their cities.” 3 The Lord listened to Israel’s plea and gave the Canaanites over to them. They completely destroyed them and their towns; so the place was named Hormah.

Israel made a deal do you expect god not to keep up his end of the bargain????

 

[zzombie]

A fun little verse that shows the nutty nature of the Bible god, worst then anything Satan ever said lol

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

In any example you bring up in which god is punishing israel for fuckery he is in the right in ezekiel 9 god is punishing ISRAEL for the worship of CANAANITE gods DO YOU REMEMBER HOW I TOLD YOU THE CANAANITES/BABYLONIANS WORSHIPED THEIR GODS????

 

[kingblaze84]

A fun little verse that shows the nutty nature of the Bible god, worst then anything Satan ever said lol

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

In any example you bring up in which god is punishing israel for fuckery he is in the right in ezekiel 9 god is punishing ISRAEL for the worship of CANAANITE gods DO YOU REMEMBER HOW I TOLD YOU THE CANAANITES/BABYLONIANS WORSHIPED THEIR GODS????

Yes I am aware that some of the gods the Babylonians and Canaanites worshipped "demanded" human sacrifice, but the Bible god in that passage is telling his followers to even kill the young, women and children, lol, are you excusing this? No matter how you try to justify it, you are co-signing the Bible god ordering the murders of the elderly and even children.

Shameful and disgusting. Like your Bible god, you are "drunk with blood".

Snoop Dogg made a song called Serial Killa but I don't think he would go around killing elderly people and children just for worshipping differently.

 

[kingblaze84]

Plenty of Israelites lost faith in the Bible god back in the day and there are many people worldwide who are disgusted with the kind of being the Bible god claims to be. Have you ever seen the museums of people dumping the Bible and its relics in piss and worse? Even I wouldn't do shit like that, so it shows the kind of disgust many people have out there.

And the Bible god did kill many Israelites because the bread tasted bad and Israelites complained about it, don't make me bring up the passages. Read up and see for yourself.

nigga why would i be denying the fact that people lose faith??? is your brain working are you paying attention to the discussion we are having??? and go ahead and post those passages. and as for the museums there have always been people who hate god

Um are you losing track of what the discussion is? I said plenty of people lost faith in the Bible god and were/are disgusted by its actions or passages and you asked what I was talking about.

And as far as those passages, I'll post them up soon enough, once work isn't as busy.

You are all over the place in the discussion. You post something talking about the end times then you start talking about exodus.

In the first case God is giving people who have no connection to him what they want.

the second case is about God punishing people he made a deal with him. Then you jump to people losing faith like that is supposed to mean anything??? Like no shit people lose faith. Large sections of the bible are about the consequence of losing faith.

For the ancient Israelites it was death because that was part of the covenant they made.

For the people in the end times it will simply be God giving them what they want.

The Bible god always seems to be drunk with blood and deceiving people, then telling its followers to increase the bloodshed. In fact there is a book about the Bible god that you should read sometime. It proves without a doubt the Bible god is a barbaric savage and notes how much it influenced the Christian savages who wiped out 100 million Native Americans for being different and many other people worldwide. No coincidence Christians and other Abrahamic religious followers have historically been among the most bloodthirsty and savage, genocidal maniacs humanity has ever produced.

And as far as those passages that show how petty and pathetic the Bible god is regarding bread:

Numbers 21:5

And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.



Numbers 21:6

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

ayo you really have to start paying attention did i not already tell you that god made a deal with israel that if they followed him they would live and that there descendants would be countless and that he would make them a great nation of people but that if they turned against him they would be destroyed. This is called the abrahamic covenant the contract between God and israel that has been renewed every generation.

Now read the numbers 21 again:

21 When the Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that Israel was coming along the road to Atharim, he attacked the Israelites and captured some of them. 2 Then Israel made this vow to the Lord: “If you will deliver these people into our hands, we will totally destroy[a] their cities.” 3 The Lord listened to Israel’s plea and gave the Canaanites over to them. They completely destroyed them and their towns; so the place was named Hormah.

Israel made a deal do you expect god not to keep up his end of the bargain????

So the Bible god purposely kills its own people because many of them complained about how the bread wasn't even filling their stomachs and tasted bad? How can an all powerful god like the Bible god be a horrible cook?

Killing followers because they complain about bread? As Kanye said, FUCKING RIDICULOUS. That's savage behavior man. You can't talk your way out of this, only a savage would kill someone for that. Let me kill you or someone you know because they complain about Taco Bell (one of my favorite foods). The newspapers would call me crazy. Your Bible god is something crazy.

 

[zzombie]

A fun little verse that shows the nutty nature of the Bible god, worst then anything Satan ever said lol

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

In any example you bring up in which god is punishing israel for fuckery he is in the right in ezekiel 9 god is punishing ISRAEL for the worship of CANAANITE gods DO YOU REMEMBER HOW I TOLD YOU THE CANAANITES/BABYLONIANS WORSHIPED THEIR GODS????

Yes I am aware that some of the gods the Babylonians and Canaanites worshipped "demanded" human sacrifice, but the Bible god in that passage is telling his followers to even kill the young, women and children, lol, are you excusing this? No matter how you try to justify it, you are co-signing the Bible god ordering the murders of the elderly and even children.

Shameful and disgusting. Like your Bible god, you are "drunk with blood".

Snoop Dogg made a song called Serial Killa but I don't think he would go around killing elderly people and children just for worshipping differently.

Under " worshiping differently" Human sacrifice was only part of it they also practiced temple prostitution which means they would sell their children and themselves into religiously selling their pussy/assholes for their gods. children who have been abused like that are mentally fucked and usually continue their fuckery well on into adulthood spreading misery with them

and you know what if god decides it's better to wipe the children out so that they don't infect the next generation with evil then don't you see the logic in that no remember this is god so he can see the future much better than me or you can and he also knows the hearts of people, these children were corrupted.