Why do/don't you believe in god?

[judahxulu]

@Judah.. J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI were fighting against the black panthers who were a non religious group; Huey Newton was a well documented atheist. Your belief in a god has nothing to do with it. Organized blacks is a threat, period. Again, you aint special!

nigga please...so hoover was only after the panthers? really? nah son. and you know what EVERY OTHER leader who made strides was on, dont u? thats why u tried to pull that card. truth be told, the panthers was the easiest group to corrupt. they had to murk or isolate everyone else. and a messianic personality does not need to be in a religious group. these type of individuals usually shun religion or insist on an amplified interpretation. again, i didnt make up the language of those documents. i like how you started with a lie and then laid out some politician style shit after it lol. nigga j. edgar hoover'nem were after a BLACK MESSIAH and were not fighting just against black panthers. they attacked the abrahamic groups to find individuals primarily : i.e. nation of islam, african hebrew israelites, sclc etc. the strictly militant groups were easily disbanded and replaced by the kwanzaa crowd. i live this. you full of shit. 95% of "organized blacks" have BEEN fucking neutralized. nigga just cause YOU relate yourself to apes (lol) and feel cuz you accept that fallacy from massa that you aint shit dont mean i gotta submit to your eurocentric fairytales. nigga quit projecting your own feelings of un-specialness. not a good look my nigga.

The black panther party was the main target for COINTELPRO. The black leaders that were targeted had different religious and spiritual backgrounds, most of which conflicted, actually. H Rap Brown and Stokely Carmichael for example, were by no means black hebrew isrealites or members of the N.o.I.

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http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIc.htm

FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described the Panthers as:

"the greatest threat to the internal security of the country.

"Schooled in the Marxist-Leninist ideology and the teaching of Chinese Communist leader Mao Tse-tung, its members have perpetrated numerous assaults on police officers and have engaged in violent confrontations with police throughout the country. Leaders and representatives of the Black Panther Party travel extensively all over the, United States preaching their gospel of hate and violence not only to ghetto residents, but to students in colleges, universities and high schools is well." 3

By July 1969, the Black Panthers had become the primary focus of the program, and was ultimately the target of 233 of the total authorized "Black Nationalist" COINTELPRO actions.

1. The Five Targeted Groups

The Bureau's covert action programs were aimed at five perceived threats to domestic tranquility: the "Communist Party, USA" program (1956-71) ; the "Socialist Workers Party" program (1961-69) ; the "White Hate Group" program (1964-71) ; the "Black Nationalist-Hate Group" program (1967-71) ; and the "New Left" program (1968-71).

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One of the main targets was Martin, a black Christian minister which is why the term "Messiah" most likely came about. Martin was killed and the focus shifted to Newton (atheist, by the way), who associated with communist Mao. Hoover was threatened by the panthers' alliance with Mao and communists in general.

So I started out with a lie huh?

lol...you sooooooo proved my ENTIRE point. not only did you start with a lie, but you had to find facts and try to re-frame them to fit that lie. i went on the same website you copied and pasted from. why didnt you copy and paste from the beginning nigga? dont worry...i will...

THE FBI'S COVERT ACTION PROGRAM TO DESTROY THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY

INTRODUCTION

In August 1967, the FBI initiated a covert action program -- COINTELPRO -- to disrupt and "neutralize" organizations which the Bureau characterized as "Black Nationalist Hate Groups." 1 The FBI memorandum expanding the program described its goals as:



1. Prevent a coalition of militant black nationalist groups....

2. Prevent the rise of a messiah who could unify and electrify the militant nationalist movement ... Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael and Elijah Muhammad all aspire to this position....

3. Prevent violence on the part of black nationalist groups....

4. Prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining respectability by discrediting them....

5. . . . prevent the long-range growth of militant black nationalist organizations, especially among youth. 2



The targets of this nationwide program to disrupt "militant black nationalist organizations" included groups such as the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), the Revolutionary Action Movement (RAM), and the Nation of Islam (NOI). It was expressly directed against such leaders as Martin Luther King, Jr., Stokley Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, Maxwell Stanford, and Elijah Muhammad.

The Black Panther Party (BPP) was not among the original "Black Nationalist" targets. In September 1968, however, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described the Panthers as:

"the greatest threat to the internal security of the country.

"Schooled in the Marxist-Leninist ideology and the teaching of Chinese Communist leader Mao Tse-tung, its members have perpetrated numerous assaults on police officers and have engaged in violent confrontations with police throughout the country. Leaders and representatives of the Black Panther Party travel extensively all over the, United States preaching their gospel of hate and violence not only to ghetto residents, but to students in colleges, universities and high schools is well." 3

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SO WERE THE PANTHERS THE SOLE FOCUS "PERIOD" OR WERE THE MAIN FOCUS AFTER THE OTHER GROUPS WERE NEUTRALIZED? THEY WERE NOT WHY COINTELPRO WAS MADE AND THE PROOF U PROVIDED PROVES THAT. AND ONCE AGAIN, DISPROVE THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF BLACK MOVEMENTS THAT HAVE MADE ANY REAL CHANGES OR PROGRESS ARE BASED EITHER ON THE BIBLE, TANACH OR QURAN (OR A COMBINATION).

now gone head and try to twist more shit to support your original lie. so scientific of you...

 

[Bodhi]

2. Prevent the rise of a messiah who could unify and electrify the militant nationalist movement ... Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael and Elijah Muhammad all aspire to this position.......

Oh look.. that looks a lot like what I already said. The Black Messiah = religious leaders such as Martin Luther King

King was a Christian

Muhammad was N.o.I.

Carmichael was neither

^^^ which is also what I said. All of these brothers have different backgrounds, some conflicting and none of them associated with your bullshit hebrew isrealites

 

[Bodhi]

I never said the Black panthers were the sole target. I said that Hoover was fighting against the Black Panther Party and he was. The exerpt you just posted says exactly that.

The Black Panther Party (BPP) was not among the original "Black Nationalist" targets. In September 1968, however, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described the Panthers as:

"the greatest threat to the internal security of the country.

The point was that Hoover was against black nationalists, not black hebrew isrealites or Abrahamic religions like you think. The Black Panther Party was the greatest threat to that motherfucker and Newton was an atheist, not a black hebrew isrealite.

 

[Bodhi]

you had to find facts and try to re-frame them to fit that lie. i went on the same website you copied and pasted from. why didnt you copy and paste from the beginning nigga? dont worry...i will....

I didn't re-frame anything. What I'm saying now is exactly what I said originally. Hoover fought against the black panthers and it has nothing to do with your bullshit religion. I didn't have to copy and paste from the beginning. My point was pretty much proven with what I did post. And if your ass looks back and reads the shit, you'll see that I posted the original targets already so what you just did there was pointless and a waste of our time

 

[judahxulu]

you had to find facts and try to re-frame them to fit that lie. i went on the same website you copied and pasted from. why didnt you copy and paste from the beginning nigga? dont worry...i will....

I didn't re-frame anything. What I'm saying now is exactly what I said originally. Hoover fought against the black panthers and it has nothing to do with your bullshit religion. I didn't have to copy and paste from the beginning. My point was pretty much proven with what I did post. And if your ass looks back and reads the shit, you'll see that I posted the original targets already so what you just did there was pointless and a waste of our time

NIGGA that aint what the FBI said. thats that shit you adding to it. a hebraic term- messiah- was used and the HISTORICAL FACT is that a good 95% (AT LEAST) of the people who Hoover were fighting had faith as a foundation. Disprove that or shut the fuck up making shit up and isolating the Hebrew thing you jealous bitch. We have done more for humanity and Africans than any of you intellectually masturbating atheist muthafuckas EVER will. like i said, LIL NIGGA the panthers were the biggest threat AFTER everybody else got killed. what you fail to realize is that A LOT of them muthafuckas JOINED US dumbass. we the only succesful repatriation movement of african-americans. inspired by Yah. you can say what you want but you newfangled godless niggas DONT DO SHIT but argue and dick ride european ideologies. name 3 atheists who in the past 200 years that have done ANYTHING BENEFICIAL FOR HUMANITY. ANYTHING other than debate religion. you niggas aint got nobody. jdawkins? whooptie fucking doo. that nigga aint did shit but TALK about how superior he feels his position is but what are the FRUITS? same with you all....start naming a long list of what atheists have accomplished with humanity and then start talking all this deragatory shit towards the spiritual realm and those who acknowledge it whether they on point behaviorally or not. who the fuck yall got? tyler the creator lol? the unabomber? jesse ventura? lmbao...NIGGGGGAA PLEASE. YALL ATHEISTS ARE GOOD FOR NOTHING BUT ARGUMENTS. and for the last time BITCH i dont have a religion.

 

[Bodhi]

lol Bitch, I'll do better than that; I'll give you three atheists during the time frame we're talking about who benefitted black people:

1. Huey Newton

2. Philip Randolph

3. Hubert Harrison

Now you name 3 black Hebrew isrealites who did anything for blacks at that time

 

[beenwize]

The govt was targeting any black organization that attempted to unite blacks and challenge the system. I don't recall any specific target against the Hebrew Israelite religion at all. But I do recall the govt passing out Bibles for free after the earthquake in Hati. I also recall the govt supporting churches all over America and other parts of the world that preach the Bible. So you say they are against the Bible but yet they still publish and distribute this book all over the world making the Bible the lead selling book in the world.

 

[Bodhi]

a hebraic term- messiah- was used

You say the Bible comes from Hebrews. King was a minister who preached from the Bible. Most likely, that's the reason Messiah was used. It probably referred to King. But again, he was a Christian as Christian is defined

the panthers were the biggest threat AFTER everybody else got killed

Out of 3 targets ( Muhammad, King, and Carmichael), King was the only man assassinated before the Panthers became targets as well.

A LOT of them muthafuckas JOINED US dumbass

Carmichael joined the Panthers

 

[Bodhi]

Basically, Judah, my point was that Hoover wasn't after Black Hebrew Isrealites. He was attempting to prevent the rise of the Black Messiah (Martin Luther King and or to a lesser extent Elijah Muhammad) Black Nationalists (N.o.I. i.e. Malcolm X) and Communists. That's backed up by the fact that he considered the Panthers to be the biggest threat, especially since Newton had ties with foreign Communist leader Mao. Makes since doesn't it? Of course it does. If you can prove otherwise, please feel free to do so.

 

[waterproof]

I never said the Black panthers were the sole target. I said that Hoover was fighting against the Black Panther Party and he was. The exerpt you just posted says exactly that.

The Black Panther Party (BPP) was not among the original "Black Nationalist" targets. In September 1968, however, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described the Panthers as:

"the greatest threat to the internal security of the country.

The point was that Hoover was against black nationalists, not black hebrew isrealites or Abrahamic religions like you think. The Black Panther Party was the greatest threat to that motherfucker and Newton was an atheist, not a black hebrew isrealite.

that's because you of not of spirit naming or to put a label on somebody is of man and of european thought. By blood, spirit and of birthright they are all israelites and have the dna of adam.

MLK did his job and told us, and the blacks in the crowd YHWH showed him that WE AS A PEOPLE will get to the Promise land as we will get there. YAH showed him our land and us returning that's why he was so at peace even though as man he wanted to break down and cry because he know his time on earth was up.

 

[Bodhi]

Then Yah was also in Randolph, who stood beside King; Randolph was an atheist. Did Yah show Randolph that atheism was the way to go?

 

[Bodhi]

You are labeling by stating I'm not of spirit and calling others Isrealites.

 

[waterproof]

Then Yah was also in Randolph, who stood beside King; Randolph was an atheist. Did Yah show Randolph that atheism was the way to go?

Man have free will, and we are talking about Mlk not Randolph

 

[waterproof]

You are labeling by stating I'm not of spirit and calling others Isrealites.

Ohh that's how the game is played im i correct, im just talking in ur language

 

[Bodhi]

We relate to the world around us by labeling. It is your language as well, friend.

When you recognize the color yellow as yellow and seperate from green, is that not a label?

When you recognize yourself as a man, is that not a label?

When you recognize food as food and understand what is edible or healthy, are you not labeling?

 

[Bodhi]

Then Yah was also in Randolph, who stood beside King; Randolph was an atheist. Did Yah show Randolph that atheism was the way to go?

Man have free will, and we are talking about Mlk not Randolph

Both did good works for the same cause. You can't pin your god on one man and not the other. To say that Yah was in King is fine by me, but if we're using the same standards to decide whether or not Yah works through a particular man, we'd have to say that Yah was working through Randolph as well. But then we hit a road block because Randolph was an atheist, so your argument falls apart there. Randolph helped give King the ground for his I Have A Dream Speech..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Philip_Randolph

In 1963, Randolph was the head of the March on Washington, which was organized by Bayard Rustin, at which Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his I Have A Dream speech. Randolph inspired the Freedom budget, sometimes called the "Randolph Freedom budget", which aimed to deal with the economic problems facing the Black community, particularly workers and the unemployed.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Great drop @Jaded Righteousness. A. Phillip Randolf is barely mentioned and if you listen to others, King was the only and most instrumental part in the movement when there were many that played a part. He was the most Vocal and Kings attribution was necessary but he wasn't alone and Christians weren't the only ones fighting.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-22/black-atheists-civil-rights/53211196/1

few people think of A. Philip Randolph, a labor organizer who originated the idea of the march and was at King's side as he made his famous I Have a Dream speech.

 

[bambu]

Poor Bimbo.. This motherfucker is so hurt, he just follows me around from thread to thread and cosigns whatever is said against me without even knowing or maybe caring whether what is said is right or wrong.

@Jaded Righteousness....

Indeed, you both basically said the same thing.

However, your version was mad Euro-centric and quasi homosexual......

LOLz.....

 

[waterproof]

Great drop @Jaded Righteousness. A. Phillip Randolf is barely mentioned and if you listen to others, King was the only and most instrumental part in the movement when there were many that played a part. He was the most Vocal and Kings attribution was necessary but he wasn't alone and Christians weren't the only ones fighting.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-22/black-atheists-civil-rights/53211196/1

few people think of A. Philip Randolph, a labor organizer who originated the idea of the march and was at King's side as he made his famous I Have a Dream speech.

man please any person who studies the civil rights movement would of known about A. Phillip Randolf this shit aint some new shocking earth shattering information yall kill me, everytime some person who is known to those who study but not known to the mainstream you have people fall over that shit.

yall was the same people that was giving Glen Beck props when a few years ago he did an episode on Black founding fathers of america and yall was cheering and giving props and shit but if yall was on your studies you would of known that shit.

 

[waterproof]

Then Yah was also in Randolph, who stood beside King; Randolph was an atheist. Did Yah show Randolph that atheism was the way to go?

Man have free will, and we are talking about Mlk not Randolph

Both did good works for the same cause. You can't pin your god on one man and not the other. To say that Yah was in King is fine by me, but if we're using the same standards to decide whether or not Yah works through a particular man, we'd have to say that Yah was working through Randolph as well. But then we hit a road block because Randolph was an atheist, so your argument falls apart there. Randolph helped give King the ground for his I Have A Dream Speech..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Philip_Randolph

In 1963, Randolph was the head of the March on Washington, which was organized by Bayard Rustin, at which Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his I Have A Dream speech. Randolph inspired the Freedom budget, sometimes called the "Randolph Freedom budget", which aimed to deal with the economic problems facing the Black community, particularly workers and the unemployed.

nigga stay on topic we was talking about MLK and his misson, nigga you aint teaching me nonthing about Randolph i can name Charles Hamilton Houston, Fannie Lou Hammer, Dorthy Height and keep on going down the line. Now you and Judah Xulu was talking about MLK and i added so stick to the script and stop pussyfooting.

Niggas name a name that most people don't know and think he on some shit, wack ass nigga